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The Kree

Banned
The movie was rewritten like three minutes before they started shooting. I bet Hope's role in the movie before that was basically nothing compared to what Evangeline ended up with.
 

SpaceWolf

Banned
Oof, that's even worse.

Reminds me of Katie Holmes apparently declining to do The Dark Knight to do Mad Money, which of course turned out to be a horrible bomb, although the jury's still out regarding what was really happening behind the scenes there.
 

LionPride

Banned
The movie was rewritten like three minutes before they started shooting. I bet Hope's role in the movie before that was basically nothing compared to what Evangeline ended up with.
Lilly complained that Hope ain't do shit and that she would walk if they didn't switch it up

I believe that's the story
 

SpaceWolf

Banned
If you've signed a multi-picture deal, you can't just walk away from it when the mood strikes you. The whole point of the contract is to stop that from happening. That's literally why they have them in the first place.
 

The Kree

Banned
I thought contracts were to secure payment in exchange for services rendered.

So if she walks, she doesn't get paid. She probably also gets blacklisted, but knowing that she quit acting once before, she probably doesn't care about that.
 
There can be various penalties to breach of contract up to and including financial liability.

But it would depend on the contract itself as the details would be negotiated. Especially at the level of Marvel and the Agency that an actor like Evangeline would use.
 
She didn't choose one over the other though, did she? Her casting became a scheduling conflict, and she had to accommodate Gulliver's. (I may be wrong about this, but that's the way I remember it.)

Yup, I'm sure she still hates Fox for doing that in retrospect. She lost the part that could have made her millions, alas.
 

SpaceWolf

Banned
You sure about that?

Yes.

For the most part, the primary reason multi-picture contracts are drafted up is to ensure an actor's commitment to an ongoing film franchise, both in regards to their obligation to the project, as well as to take care of potential scheduling concerns down the road. If a certain star suddenly decides to desert a franchise halfway through, it not only screws with continuity, it can drastically affect the commercial appeal of the franchise...think if Jennifer Lawrence just decided to desert the Hunger Games franchise halfway through, or if Mark Hamill just didn't feel the need to show up for The Last Jedi because he felt his heart wasn't really in it anymore. In both cases, the fallout would be pretty disastrous, so legally, the studios do everything they can to prevent that from happening.

In most cases, in regards to the way in these contracts are written out...if an actor decides to just leave a project without a viable reason (serious health issues, a personal tragedy), they'll be immediately sued for a previously established amount of money, which will be non-contestable in court following such a public breach of contract. Due to certain kinds of gentlemen's agreements however, there have been examples of non-essential actors walking away from such franchises after signing such contracts...even within Marvel, such as Hugo Weaving as Red Skull. However, in that example, Skull was primarily a special effects-driven character who was already killed off in an ambiguous manner at the end of his first appearence...in addition to the fact that Marvel didn't have any solid plans for the character, anyway. But for an actor like Lilly, who's already locked in for a leading role in her own individual franchise (her character's name is even the title), for the most part, she couldn't just "walk away" from the role without expecting severe push-back from the studio in the form of legal repercussions, given how it would negatively impact the franchise she's attached to. It's a potential scenario these contracts are literally based around, and as a consequence, it's what keeps such a large variety of A-List actors like the Marvel cast lined up for such a long-term commitment. Otherwise, any of these actors could just walk whenever the mood would strike them, which would render such contracts absolotely worthless.
 

SpaceWolf

Banned
SpaceWolf, you do realize in this case, Lilly would have said this...before Ant-Man was filming right?

Uh....no I did not. I thought you were referring to comments Lilly made before filming for the sequel.

That's my bad, although my point still stands about the commitment involved with multi-picture deals.
 

SpaceWolf

Banned
I don't know how that's possible but it's all good

I mean, I was commenting in response to this exchange...

I bet Hope's role in the movie before that was basically nothing compared to what Evangeline ended up with.

Lilly complained that Hope ain't do shit and that she would walk if they didn't switch it up

I believe that's the story

Which was kind of ambiguous. I thought you guys were on Lilly's complaints regarding Hope's role in the original movie and how she would walk if they were repeated for the sequel.

But like I said, my bad! Doesn't change my arguments about multi-picture contracts in general, but in regards to that specific example with Lilly, I'm sure Marvel would have released her from the contract if she hadn't even started shooting, so you guys would be right about that.
 
Even IF you're talking about comments made before Ant-Man... the context doesn't actually change much if she had already signed the contract to appear. Especially as having to replace her last minute would have been a financial loss to Marvel.

She still gets sued in either case. That doesn't mean her request has no leverage though, as generally you want to be accomodating so that everyone stays on good terms. Which is why I wrote "request" rather than "demand" as I seriously doubt she "demanded" anything. It would be starting out a multi-film contract on a bad foot.
 

richiek

steals Justin Bieber DVDs
Never before seen Civil War concept art:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BZrCPBvgRWI/
22158010_908997082581848_7470454222450851840_n.jpg
 

SpaceWolf

Banned
It's sort of amazing how everyone absolutely refuses to forget that one moment where Henry hit Jane in the comics, which happened literally decades ago at this point, and that the character is still getting shit for it.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
Pretty sure that Netflix will (and should) delay The Punisher with what just happened in Vegas tbh.
 

jph139

Member
SHIELD + Runaways + Punisher (maybe?) has me really hyped for MCU TV this Fall. Major turnaround after the Iron Fist + Defenders + Inhumans streak. And I really liked Defenders.

Jury's still out on Cloak & Dagger but I'm tentatively interested there. Poster is dope at least.
 

Rhaknar

The Steam equivalent of the drunk friend who keeps offering to pay your tab all night.
Netflix just added Agents of Shield season 4 to my region.

I stopped watching around midway of season 3. Time to get back and see what the fuss was about I guess.
 

duckroll

Member
Looks like Vegas is having no effect on the Punisher's marketing.

https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagra...27_1394708573971977_4548529026850881536_n.jpg

Think again: http://deadline.com/2017/10/the-punisher-pulled-new-york-comic-con-violence-las-vegas-1202182226/

“We are stunned and saddened by this week’s senseless act in Las Vegas,” Netflix and Marvel said in a joint statement today. “After careful consideration, Netflix and Marvel have decided it wouldn’t be appropriate for Marvel’s The Punisher to participate in New York Comic-Con,” the companies added of the gun and violence heavy Jon Bernthal starring series. “Our thoughts continue to be with the victims and those affected by this tragedy.”
 
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