Just because some suit ran a projection and found out that not having "real money loot boxes" at the launch of the game will result in better metacritic score doesn't mean that that won't be in game. Your post is even crazier considering they have themselves said that they are coming.
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Waypoint: 'Shadow of War' and 'Forza 7' Are Poisoning the Concept of Loot Boxes
- Thread starter Zombie James
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Just because some suit ran a projection and found out that not having "real money loot boxes" at the launch of the game will result in better metacritic score doesn't mean that that won't be in game. Your post is even crazier considering they have themselves said that they are coming.
CountAntonius
Member
I won't defend bad implementations and if that's the case it's pretty awful. I've always said make it all about cosmetics and have it fund development of features to keep the community from being split by DLC. About it being in full price games....I mean I'm not crazy about it but games like CoD and Destiny have very expensive DLC anyway. IF they made those free then i would be okay with cosmetic only lootboxes. But those companies will probably go for both.
sublimit
Banned
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I think when it comes to off setting ballooning development costs for AAA games it's not the worst. Overwatch is fine but when it's gameplay content or in a game that also has paid dlc irs a problem
Ill switch analogies: Its like the mayor in Jaws trying to justify keeping the beaches open.
Except were already in the third act and the shark has eaten half the boat.
VibratingDonkey
Member
It's bumming me out man. I don't want to have to concern myself with this garbage.
joeyjoejoe
Neo Member
Car games have locked higher tier cars behind other tiers and unlocks for years... I don't see the issue. Disagree with me if you want but these developers realize the majority of their gamers are NOT going to partake in these loot boxes, real money or not.
They have the data that shows 90% of players dont finish the game and how many players actually partake in loot boxes. They are working to balance out the whales that'll pay and the scrubs that'll just play. Can you play the game, start to finish, have a good time and not need to unlock a level to beat the game? Awesome. Do i need to grind 100% achievements to get special ending? Okay thats a normal thing too.
You guys get too caught up in this bullshit IMO.
They have the data that shows 90% of players dont finish the game and how many players actually partake in loot boxes. They are working to balance out the whales that'll pay and the scrubs that'll just play. Can you play the game, start to finish, have a good time and not need to unlock a level to beat the game? Awesome. Do i need to grind 100% achievements to get special ending? Okay thats a normal thing too.
You guys get too caught up in this bullshit IMO.
ebullientprism
Member
This really fucking grinds my gears for multiple reasons. These pure scumbags deliberately leave out the micro-transactions from the launch game so the reviewers dont call them out for it and give the game a bad name.
It gets patched in later once they have their 85 on Metacritic or whatever. So anyone who buys this is gonna have to deal with it unless they are done with the game in a few days.
There is no set price on this. They can "fine tune" it later so that what is cheap and easy to get today with the launch game and no micro-transactions can easily be a nightmare grind once they start charging people for it.
In a lot of cases like these its not even paid DLC that you can buy. Its basically random ass loot crates where you pay for a chance to get something good. Just straight up gambling.
And they have the FUCKING nerve to pretend like its a pro consumer move.
JUST. FUCK. OFF!
Yep, avoiding all of them this holiday. Thankfully enough great alternatives are available in 2017, but I am really bummed at Forza 7 and (possibly) BF2 if that one turns out equally as dour. Those were easy purchases for me months ago, the easiest. Now I am feeling glad I held off on pre-ordering.
wesleyshark
Banned
I am curious just how much is made off of some of these games' MT's. It's gotta be a decent chunk of change.
chrominance
Member
Sure, I'll feed the troll.
Show me where the revenue from loot boxes goes to building public transit, improving health care, funding social security, maintaining core infrastructure like highways and ports, or any of the million other things that tax dollars do to improve our lives. You can't? Surprise, it's because your analogy to anti-tax activists is completely nonsensical and hysterical!
We already know what a Forza game without loot boxes might look like. It's called OLDER FORZA GAMES. People have looked at what you get in Forza 7 and found the benefits wanting. Loot boxes don't even justify their own existence.
Salty Rice
Member
Fuck all full price games with loot boxes especially if they influence gameplay.
It doesn't matter how "fair" certain lootbox implementations are now.
This isn't about now. When practices like this become accepted and even expected then that gives these companies free license to go from "fair" to not quite as fair and beyond because why not? Because some vocal minority will get mad at you when you've already got a fully addicted contingent of whales caught hook, line, and sinker?
This isn't about now. When practices like this become accepted and even expected then that gives these companies free license to go from "fair" to not quite as fair and beyond because why not? Because some vocal minority will get mad at you when you've already got a fully addicted contingent of whales caught hook, line, and sinker?
NullPointer
Member
Agreed. 100%
Zombie James
Banned
Yeah, what a crock of shit that was. You have some poor dev come out and push the corporate line only to find out the entire ending of the game is a grind without paying.
Doctor_Thomas
Member
Poison chalice and any full price game that impliments them should suffer in scores and sales.
Imbarkus
As Sartre noted in his contemplation on Hell in No Exit, the true horror is other members.
It's as if people forgot the whole purpose of starting down this whole slippery slope: once the mechanisms are in place it's really easy to slide past the next milestone.
Also, that quote is hilarious because cheat codes used to exist for people who want to skip stuff. You're not doing us a favor by removing cheat codes, waiting a few years, then selling temporary cheat codes back to us for real money. Eat shit.
People might respond to developers/publishers with less toxicity if they didn't try and insult our intelligence with every PR spin and company blog post.
hipsterpants
Member
You can't poison something that is already garbage. And I still can't believe people defend Overwatch when it's massive success is a huge reason why this is infecting everything.
Yeah. If you are unemployed then you have all the time in the world to bypass any form of loot crate with an artificially lengthened grind to gain the same item that money could buy you.
If you have a job but no time then just spend the money you earnt today in the game you already paid for.
If you have no time because you have kids, then make them do the grind for you while you get some quality time down the casino.
Zombie James
Banned
Even in text, you have IGN and Game Informer just hand-waving the entire issue. It's pathetic.
This very forum was ABLAZE with Overwatch Lootbox debate awhile back. Now, it seems to have settled into "Well, OW got it right. Cosmetic only..."
As if Cosmetics aren't part of the fuckin' game too.
Defense force goalpost moving did real damage on this one. Congrats to them, I guess.
Overwatch does loot boxes correctly. Everything obtained from them are cosmetic and have no impact on the gameplay itself and Blizzard continues to put out free content from the money they are making off the loot boxes. Overwatch is also a $40 game (on PC).
I'm perfectly happy to have lootboxes if it means that DLC maps and content are free.
Ie: Halo 5 or Siege's system.
ebullientprism
Member
Option A : Cosmetics only (CSGO/Overwatch)
Option B : Gameplay content locked behind Microtransactions (Shadow of whatever/Forza)
Option C : Straight up advantage in MP games (SW BF2)
Ideal scenario, none of this would exist. But you can see why gamers would go for the least offensive of the three.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
No, you're a normal consumer. Most people dont think about developers artificially enhancing the grind necessary for the rewards and wouldnt have any idea that publishers hire mental health professionals to help exploit gambling addictions in gamers. (Many of which are children).
As a consumer, you shouldnt have to worry about these things because it should be regulated but the law hasn't caught up to it yet.
While this is true, there are degrees of awfulness.
Everybody has their own red line when it comes to this stuff.
Not at all man just enjoy video games.
Cell phone games. It's the norm there, and publishers dream about getting this adopted on games that actually cost money to develop.
NullPointer
Member
Option D: Titanfall 2. Only cosmetics. No RNG -- buy exactly what you want. No season pass. All modes, maps and Titans free.
Option E: Make the game free-to-play to begin with.
Jaguar Victory
Member
Enjoy $100 games then.
Yes. You're naive.
In a perfect world you'd be free to be naive, but this isn't a perfect world. Saying you don't engage with lootboxes hasn't prevented the the likes of SoM or Forza 7 from making their game design worse in order to accommodate lootboxes.
VibratingDonkey
Member
A bigger challenge when ads are shoved in your face and progression is made more harsh/time consuming.
I'll cheat in Shadow War if it becomes necessary. The only way to feel somewhat at ease with this stuff.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Like fucking clockwork.
"If games dont transform into online casino's then they'll die!" god damn.
NullPointer
Member
Good point.
And another one "I don't notice it so it isn't a big deal."
Except for the fact that the game is objectively worse than the last iteration in some key aspects.