theCalamity
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I don't know what leftist circles you run in, but I don't see any of mine making hilarious videos with black men getting lynched
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The Needle Drop pioneered music reviews. His other channel was for the alt-rights
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Bounceounce
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No but I've seen mock suicidal memes such as the one with the black man hanging himself with a piece of toilet paper thrown up into the air that wasn't on any level supposed to be a lynching.
It was a video about Hopsin for christ sakes.
A bit edgy, but not racial.
The whole article is just condemning any association with "alternative" memes, /mu/esque/fantano memeing is literal just youth memeing across racial/gender/sexuality based barriers.
His audience is diverse.
Now Fantano is some sort of Dave Rubin-esque "battle of ideas" figure, got it.
I'm definitely falling on the "seems to be appealing to an undesirable crowd for money" camp. Knowing the content of his main channel there is no way he is alt-right, white supremacist, or anything like that. Whether I keep watching his content really depends on how he responds. If there is a good amount of apology and self reflection then I can stick with him. If he gets super defensive, then he's learned nothing.
plagiarize
Banned
I have no idea who Dave Rubin is.
I compared him to Cynical Brit aka Total Biscuit aka John Bain.
SoundsOfScience
Member
Lmao man, you disliking this article doesn't delegitimization all other publications. Give me a break.
Fantano is knowingly appealing to a group of really fucked up people and doesn't do anything to challenge their ideas. He isn't anywhere near as harmful as fascist-adjacent guys like Molyneux or Sargon of Akkad who actually justify the alt right, but uncritically parroting alt-right memes does vaguely normalize that whole subculture and their worldview.
By attaching himself to /mu/ the way he did, Fantano waded into some really troublesome waters and didn't responsibly separate himself and his work from his shithead fans.
excelsiorlef
Member
Look guys if we don't let him, make anti-SJW anti-feminist videos and let him hang out and collaborate with Sargon and Sam Hyde, like any good ally would, he might start making anti-SJW anti-feminist videos and hang out and collaborate with Sargon and Sam Hyde.
Emulated Hype
Member
It's a shame, I rather liked his Resist series and the Vegan Smoothie videos.
I haven't watched the shitposting channel in almost a year though.
I haven't watched the shitposting channel in almost a year though.
bangbang i'm a timpani
Banned
"we should meet in the middle with nazis"
Maybe wait what he has to say first?
Yeah, I'll have to wait to see what he says and does afterwards, but it's certainly a bad look. It'll take some sincere reflection to make up for his association and propagation of alt-right bullshit even if it was only "jokes".
I will honestly be surprised if it boils down to anything more than
"it's just a prank/joke bro" or "i'm sorry if you were offended"
Messofanego
Banned
So you've got nothing to defend his actions, and are more concerned that people are turning their backs on some dude because we can't accept his flaws. It's not "average views and humor" unless if you're some edgelord. He put himself on the anti-SJW narrative. So what if he called out antisemitism some other time, he still used a racist image. He's not much different from Bill Maher who despite being a liberal says a lot of dumb and offensive shit and gets rightly called out for it. Being on the left doesn't mean you can't criticise your own. Yeah, we're not true fans or whatever of Fantano like you who can excuse the bad shit he's done. I've followed and watched his content for years, mostly for his reviews, but was never a fan of his other stuff which is this other channel. This narrative you're trying to weave that Anthony Fantano is some super liberal who everyone should stick by and gloss over the bad stuff he's done is unwinnable. You're in too deep.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
One of the most surreal threads I've ever experienced. One user going 15 50ppp pages swearing everyone but him is wrong about a bad Youtuber
It's way too late for that
It's way too late for that
Bounceounce
Member
Fantano is criticizable, this just isn't criticism.
This article and thread is witch hunting slander and blatantly misrepresentation/willful ignorance of the wide spectrum of his views and videos, that's also completely divorced from intent.
There seems to be no line between flawed, and between he's a fucking white supremacist nazi who deserves to have his livelihood ruined and that's absurd.
And what are you talking about?
He shouldn't be criticised?
I've criticised him in this thread, I've criticised him in threads past, hell i even refuse to call anyone a "sjw", I hate the term, I've mentioned disagreements with him, none of what you said lines up with my actual posts.
I'm not even a super fan, I watch him casually and only watch a few of the videos he uploads a month, I'm more bothered by this article and the desperate grasping and reactionary behavior in this thread.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
Member
Having never heard of this guy, and only going by the evidence presented in this thread, Bounce comes off as having a too-passionate but also more-accurate view of this dude than those denouncing him as a Nazi (a word losing meaning almost as quickly as 'alt-right' did, given association with fucking Sargon is apparently enough to brand one as that).
...15 pages later...
chronic_archaic
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What was his name? I frequented there for awhile.
Bounceounce
Member
CopperPuppy
Member
Yikes.
Imagine going to bat this hard for a dude who rubs elbows with that Sargon whoever-the-fuck sucka.
Wrestlemania
Banned
"But he's definitely a liberal, just look at his other videos and things he's said in the past!"
https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbern...te-nationalism?utm_term=.kyRqzbbga#.iqM54XXaL
https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbern...te-nationalism?utm_term=.kyRqzbbga#.iqM54XXaL
How is this relevant?
Wrestlemania
Banned
It's relevant because plenty of people were denying he could be sympathetic to or part of the alt-right because of his persona elsewhere and that he was supposedly a liberal, supporting Bernie and denouncing Trump or whatever.
The Buzzfeed article shows how duplicitous some people in liberal media can be - just because someone is getting paid to write about the evils of Gamergate or feminist issues doesn't mean they're not a closeted shithead.
Whats your estimation of Sargon?
Bounceounce
Member
If you're trying to link this to Fantano that's pathetic.
He's not alt-right as has been shown in this thread again and again, and has specifically denied so.
Come on, if you have to start stretching things this much and working them around to fit into Fantano, you have nothing to stand on.
You want him to be alt-right.
Edit: "Persona", how about calling them his opinions, rather than something that implies duplicity
Wrestlemania
Banned
There's plenty of people getting upset at others supposedly labelling him a Nazi, but theres nobody actually saying they think he's a Nazi in this thread. One guy made a joke about "Meeting in the middle with Nazis" but that's about as far as it goes on that side.
Wrestlemania
Banned
I'm linking these other examples of people who present themselves as liberals but then are revealed to be anything but in private to this example of someone who presented himself as liberal but is evidently happy to flip to the other side for whatever reason, possibly money but also possibly because he's a shithead.
Just going to link to this again - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4lFSq_Efzk
Bounceounce
Member
Has no basis with Fantano whatsoever, period.
You're trying to but a square peg through a round hole.
Pure alt-right hysteria rather than accepting that everything doesn't have to be along hard lines.
He's not alt-right, he's not duplicitous, he's flawed, but by no metrics does he match the slander in this thread.
Wrestlemania
Banned
What do you make of his contributions to the video I linked to?
Bounceounce
Member
Already answered many times in this thread.
Edit:
But to answer again, an example of said flaws that I mentioned in this thread and in threads long before this, and not something I would participate in or agree with.
The word "Nazi" will never lose meaning by repeating it over and over. It will always mean "the political group that rose to power in Germany, instated fascism, and murdered 6 million people."
The people allying with or defending that group, OR the people going to bat for THOSE people for seemingly no reason other than appearance-based tribalism, need to work a little harder to distance themselves from the label than they currently are.
excelsiorlef
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He makes anti-feminist videos and collaborates with some of the biggest bigots there are... everyone has flaws he's still a great guy.
LOL
LOL
SyenceLabb
Member
I dont fuck with Anthony as much as I used to, but damn, he doesnt deserve any of this shit Im reading in this thread. That article made me think the writer had an vendetta against him.
excelsiorlef
Member
Agreed haven't we all made the mistake of repeatedly making anti-feminist videos, collaborating with Sargon, laughing along with a man describing how he wants to rape, torture, assault, batter, mutilate,disfigure and murder Lena Dunham? Nobody's perfect, still totally an ally right?
Being an ally is more than just voting the right way.
Wrestlemania
Banned
What, when you said "That's an example of the legitimate issues with him"?
Well, no shit. The "legitimate issue" that the article and most people in this thread have is that he's propogating alt-right views, and he's rightfully being called out on it. It doesn't matter if it's because they're his actual beliefs or he's just doing it for the money.
Your strawman people calling him a full blown Nazi just don't exist.
Vicetrailia
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It's pretty clear that moderates, middle liberals, and etc, partnering with the alt-right on free soeech actually brings you closer to the alt-right. Reminds me of that song Damien by DMX.
It's because in order to agree with the far right on a good number of their issues you have to start ignoring reality, and once you're used to doing THAT...
Bounceounce
Member
The author clearly does.
Fallout-NL
Member
Fader said:
What podcast and timestamp is this specifically? Would have been better if Fader had included that in the article.
Bounceounce
Member
There was no mention of rape in Sam Hydes rant, it's an unfunny ramble about what he'd hypothetically do in self-defense if attacked by Lena Dunham, and if we're talking in context, it's probably meant to be show something that's the opposite of self-defense and taken to the extreme to be ironic, considering that's what his comedy is based around (the joke was most likely tinged with real resentment though considering who he is).
The podcast was also like a little over a year prior to when Hyde went off the deep end, and donated to The Daily Stormer.
It wasn't a good look, but other than Saragon who I wouldn't say is as bad as Hyde, there's really nothing else, and he's had leftists on his cast as well.
It was an offensive joke, but I'm not going to lie and say I haven't either laughed or made worse jokes in the past, most people I know have, and it's not the end of the world.
Have you considered the possibility that maybe the best explanation for all the events of this thread is that you've spent so many years of your life embedded in alt-right communities that you literally can't identify good and bad anymore?