This is stupid. The entire reason the PS4, PS4 Pro, Xbox One, and Xbox One X exist is because the makers of those consoles wanted more power for the games on the system. The reason for that being gamers were asking for more power. Stop being a fanboy.
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Xbox One X Review Thread
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This is stupid. The entire reason the PS4, PS4 Pro, Xbox One, and Xbox One X exist is because the makers of those consoles wanted more power for the games on the system. The reason for that being gamers were asking for more power. Stop being a fanboy.
I am close, I am tempted to wait and see what support is like for the multiformat releases.
My pc can do 4k in a few games, but is not a total beast.
TF2 is nuts running at 4-6k 60fps.
Greatest Ever
Member
Look at what I quoted
veterangamerUK
Member
Where did you see that please as I use my S for UHD too
Captain Zyrain
Member
Can't wait to pick this up. It sounds like everything I wanted from the console.
All the small performance upgrades across the board will be very welcomed.
Also gives me a good excuse to revisit some of the backlog.
All the small performance upgrades across the board will be very welcomed.
Also gives me a good excuse to revisit some of the backlog.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
1. PS4 and Pro have multiple big exclusive franchises that you can't play anywhere else.
2. The Pro didn't cost $500 at launch.
It's nice people trying to drum up enthusiasm for this thing but the reality is it's an extremely tough sell unless you're a hardcore Xbox fan and somehow think you're getting a good deal here.
Some people simply prefer playing those games on a console and not a PC, so games like Forza being on PC means nothing to them.
dcx4610
Member
The PS4/Pro are:
- Not nearly as powerful, so third-party games run worse
- Don't have UHD BD playback
- Don't have backwards compatibility, including the ability to play select old games you already own in 4K
- Don't offer high-value services like EA Access and GamePass
- Don't have an exclusive FPS franchise on par with Halo
- Don't have an exclusive arcade racer franchise on par with Forza Horizon
You don't have to be some extreme fanboy to be excited about the current state of Xbox and the launch of the One X.
Bit early and very, very definitive to say third party runs worse as a blanket statement.
And NO backwards comparability?
I have played a ps2 game or two.
Darklor01
Might need to stop sniffing glue
Thanks for this! Sounds awesome!
indeed
Haha, you said..
"How the XB1X can get away with having no true exclusives is beyond me."
I simply pointed out to you that PS4 Pro didn't either...
Then you go all fanboy from there. lol =)
shpankey
not an idiot
I always laugh at GAF fanboys who keep trying to convince themselves there's no market for XB1X due to the PC.
Most gamers (and I mean, by literally MILES) are console gamers that have absolutely zero interest in PC's or especially PC games. Having a lot of the same games on PC means nothing to them and they just want the best version of the games out there on a console and here in America, specifically Sports games and FPS. So the market is quite large here for this platform, which was proven on the Xbox 360, which dominated the US. MSFT shot themselves in the foot w/ XB1 but the XB1X rectifies their mistake here, so I expect very high sales in the US market once it drops in price to a reasonable level ($399 and below).
Most gamers (and I mean, by literally MILES) are console gamers that have absolutely zero interest in PC's or especially PC games. Having a lot of the same games on PC means nothing to them and they just want the best version of the games out there on a console and here in America, specifically Sports games and FPS. So the market is quite large here for this platform, which was proven on the Xbox 360, which dominated the US. MSFT shot themselves in the foot w/ XB1 but the XB1X rectifies their mistake here, so I expect very high sales in the US market once it drops in price to a reasonable level ($399 and below).
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I dont know, last numbers I saw were something like 2 billion gamers and 60% of them use PCs but I may not be remembering the numbers perfectly.
Plus I remember Valve releasing a statement there were 125 million active Steam users.
shpankey
not an idiot
I don't know how one would even poll that correctly, to be honest (if the poll was online, from a PC, you see the problem with that)... and using a PC versus gaming on one is quite different. Also, Steam numbers are worldwide. The vast majority of gamers I have ever known in my life here in the US don't game on a PC. They want Madden, Racing games and First Person Shooters on a console, in my experience. This is what I meant by the 360 proved this out here. The problem MSFT made was, American gamers aren't as loyal and they just want the best Madden, Need for Speed and Call of Duty type games on a console, and the PS4 clearly provided that. I really do think MSFT knows this as well and it's why they waited a year after the Pro to release the XB1X. I fully expect Xbox sales to eventually overtake the PS4 before the end, here in the US (assuming past 2020 at least so the price becomes reasonable, $500 is too much for most gamers here, imo).
p.s. I should of added "IMO" on the first post, though that should go without saying I guess.
it gets better and better.
Third party games run absolutely fine on ps4/pro what are you talking about?
People buy consoles to play games, I dont think many people will be forking out all that cash for an X to watch uhd bd.
Ps+ is a high value service that gives the user multiple games free every single month.
X doesn't have an exclusive arcade adventure franchise like Uncharted.
Not an arcade racer but GT is a franchise that actually sells consoles.
So yeah, you don't need to be some extreme fanboy to be excited about the future of PlayStation.
splattered
Member
I've had XB since launch and we have the S now. Have Scorpio editions pre-ordered. I work on a pc all day every day and have zero interest in playing games on it. I used to play some stuff in Lan style parties with friends many years ago but don't miss it. Sorry, I will never play XB games on pc. I very much appreciate the fact that it's an option for those that game on their computers but it just isn't for me.
I also own a ps4 pro with a very healthy amount of games in that library as well as a wii-u same there. (haven't made the leap to switch yet)
Super hyped to pick these xb1x bad boys up on the 7th!
I also own a ps4 pro with a very healthy amount of games in that library as well as a wii-u same there. (haven't made the leap to switch yet)
Super hyped to pick these xb1x bad boys up on the 7th!
Sorry I should of been more clear as I was referring to 1080p users and was basing that on your comment that mentioned these were 1080p screen caps.
With that said, I agree completely that for 4K TV users there is a much larger incentive. However, for 1080p it becomes a bit muddied and your decision will vary depending on what you own and what you want to play. For instance, I can't see too many PS4 owners buying a XB1 X to play better looking multiplats given that, for them, it is a $500 investment. For current XB1 owners, it becomes a decision between selling your XB1 and upgrading to the XB1 X, stick with your XB1 and buying more games or go one step further and buy a PS4 or Switch to further expand and broaden your gaming potential.
As someone who owns a XB1 (launch model), PS4, Switch and PC, with no intentions to upgrade to 4K for at least another year if not more, I see very little reason to purchase the XB1 X. If I owned or planned to buy a 4K TV in the very near future, I would have certainly purchased a XB1 X (and a PS4 Pro while I'm at it).
Certainly not, but an uptick in resolution or texture quality has never stopped me from buying a multiplatform game on PS4 or XB1 despite owning a capable gaming rig. It would have to be an outright horribly broken port for me to deliberately choose one over the other.
SMOK3Y
Generous Member
Sarcasm? Gotta be lol
That would be me, I prefer to play on a console. I want one of these but I dont buy stuff new, I will wait until some poor sucker needs Christmas/bill money next month after misguidedly buying one of these at launch and will get a great deal on craigslist ect
Randall365
Member
Liliana Eileen
Member
Yes they buy consoles to play games, and the vast majority of people by third party games which will all look better and run better on Xbox. Heck, load times are even vastly improved on XBX. Backwards compatibility is a big thing, especially playing big games like RDR and Ninja Gaiden with huge improvements that give them justice.
PS+ doesn't compare to his example of EA vault or Games pass. It's comparable to XBL, which trumps PSN in service and things it offers (LFG, etc.). So where are you going at here?
Your last two examples seem to be taking offense and attempting to defend your console of choice (only console, by the looks of your profile). His response was directed at the few warriors in here downplaying the XBX so your post seems silly in retrospect.
The majority of reviews say the console is quiet.
From Digital Foundry
Although the Verge for example mention that they thought the console was clearly audible and on par with a gaming pc, which doesnt mean much as there isnt a fixed gaming pc. They should have provided some context in my opinion. Is it a pc running 2 Noctua fans, or 10 delta fans? Lol
BibiMaghoo
Member
It's interesting that several reviews malign the lack of exclusive content, or even the library in general. It was clear that this machine was never going to have content exclusive to it, despite what some hoped, and yet this has been perceived negatively by the press anyway. It seemed to me that this machine was always for people already invested in their ecosystem, a way to win over some of the fans that were unhappy with the original machine and in that I think it will be successful. It seems some reviewers have approached it more for it's potential to sway over a new customer, and I think they are going to be few.
I think the price is going to be unattractive to most people upgrading, and ironically, most attractive to people that are not already in the ecosystem, as the content they will get out of the deal far greater. If it then is aimed at upgrading customers, I would think it needs to be a little cheaper to do well.
I think the price is going to be unattractive to most people upgrading, and ironically, most attractive to people that are not already in the ecosystem, as the content they will get out of the deal far greater. If it then is aimed at upgrading customers, I would think it needs to be a little cheaper to do well.
ThatOneGrunt
Member
Come on this is ridiculous. Of course all third party games are going to run better on the X. They just are. So far there hasn't been a single optimized, third party game that hasn't performed better on the X.
And saying you've played a PS2 game or two underplays the value of the BC on Xbox consoles. That's a BS statement. Pretty soon you'll be trying to convince me that PSNow is an equal value to Xbox BC.
shpankey
not an idiot
It was mentioned in one review, with the corresponding db ratings, it was extremely good as I remember, sorry can't remember which review had it though.
EDIT: Anand's review.
rokkerkory
Member
I was really worried about this, so happy it's nearly silent!
There are more than enough third party games to play in all honesty. I wouldnt want to be reliant on solely exclusives on any platform as nowadays they make up a small percentage of the games available. If the exclusive games that are out on PS4 and Xbox, didnt exist its not like wed have no games to play on.
The PS4 does have better exclusives for me personally, but having the X as a console to play third party games will get a hell of a lot of usage. Yes there arent as many exclusive games but some people are acting like theres just zero games full stop, which isnt true.
Take the holiday season right now, the main games I want to play aint exclusives, its third party games like Origins, Wolfenstein 2 etc. 2018 will be different as there are a ton of PS4 games I want to play though. The Xbox exclusives coming next year (that we know of) I couldnt care less about.
I appreciate that not everyone is able to (or wants to) own more than one console, and in that case exclusive games will be an important factor, but as someone that likes to own all the consoles Im excited for the X, the selling point for me is being able to play the best versions of third party games. If the X didnt exist I certainly wouldnt buy an Xbox One.
I guess what Im trying to say is that for some people (like me), being able to play the best version of third party games is reason enough to buy the X.
presagetogood
Member
Then you havent been listening to developers and to Microsoft themselves who have stressed The ease with which they made porting possible.
Im also going to echo one of the comments above that wonders why people waste their time trying to dissuade people, trying to create the opposite of a bandwagon effect, just to champion and fanboy all over their favorite platform of choice. Do you really care that much that you think that you should wabe the flags for the PS4? Is it something tied to your sexual fantasies that Sony be dominant over everyone?
Let people buy what they want to buy, for fuck sakes.
shpankey
not an idiot
Well said.
To add to that, popular sports games like Madden, NHL, NBA Live dont have PC versions, so that is amplified for those diehard gamers.
Take your NFS, COD, and other high selling franchises for console only gamers and 4k gamers, XB1X will be the platform of choice once the price comes down. The future is much brighter than sony gaf members are working so hard to paint it as. They only see the world through their limited personal perspective and are projecting their bias onto the industry.
This is an amazing piece of kit extremely well designed and thought out, its going to do well once it falls into the right price point.
Microsoft is making the same mistake they made with the original Xbox One, they are over-charging...they are not reading the tea leaves and are overestimating how much the 'average' console player is willing to pay...even if the PS4 Pro is less powerful it's cheaper, still runs great and has much better exclusives
Exactly.
Plus whos not going to want to play the (likely) best version of Red Dead 2. There certainly wont be a PC version at launch, if at all, so the X will be the best place to play it....
I agree that the X isnt the answer to their problems. Although in a recent interview Phil Spencer said they dont see the X as a mainstream console, theyre expecting it to be niche, he drew similarities with the elite controller. The average Joe certainly wont spend that amount on a controller, and they likely wont spend that amount on a console to play call of duty and fifa.
The thing is I dont think theres anything Microsoft can do to gain traction in certain territories. Theyve tried in the past and failed e.g Japan. They are NEVER catching PS4 in terms of units this gen, regardless of what they do. The thing is they dont need to sell more than Sony to be successful.
To be honest I think the Xbox brand is a Trojan virus to push Microsoft into peoples living rooms, I dont think they care what device you have, hence the unified ecosystem theyre trying to create with windows etc.
shpankey
not an idiot
Fair point, but time will change prices. They will eventually be competitive on the price and bundle packages to account for the cost difference. I say in a year or two theyll be within $50 of PS4Pro and likely add a game to ease that difference in gamers minds.
For now, they can live off hardcore gamers, so theres no need to go there yet.
This (XB1X) imo isnt to win the console war, Sony already has, but to be competitive again and win back gamers hearts/minds. They did a lot of damage at XBO launch by a clown who had no clue who is long gone now. This puts them back on point, especially for US gamers and the future of Xbox gaming.
2 years from now, the state of console gaming is going to be dramatically different with, imo, XB1X firmly cutting into market share on both hardware and multiplat games, at least here in the US.
rokkerkory
Member
X is targeted towards the hard core which $500 isn't much.
so the PS4 Pro isn't targeted towards the hard core?
Sweet Bellic
Member
Not sure how this follows. A PC can do everything a console can do, but better, faster, quieter, and with an ever larger library of games. If you can work all day on a PC and want to play a console at the end of the day, there's no rational reason why you wouldn't be content to game on a PC at the end of the day either.
That said, it will be interesting to see how well the OneX sells as it seems targeted at hardcore gamers who share your hang-ups about PC gaming.
shpankey
not an idiot
You really can't see a reason? Really? Are you being obtuse on purpose? Geez dude, it's not even that hard to understand at all. (p.s. quieter is not one of them, not sure why you added that)
Sweet Bellic
Member
Dismissing the PC as a gaming platform because you also use one as a workstation isn't rational. That isn't to say there aren't other compelling reasons for preferring console gaming, such as cost, community, exclusives, etc. But not wanting to game on PC just because it's a PC? Nah, that's a weird hang-up and it's preventing you from enjoying many games to their fullest potential.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
I'm genuinely curious, how many XB1X threads are you going to enter just to tout how superior PC gaming is?
While youre quite right, that comes at a higher cost.
Not only that but PCs are nowhere near as plug and play as a console. Yes Nvidia provide one click optimisation, and PC is nowhere near as complicated as some people make out, its certainly not as easy as some people make out either.
Ive had (as Im sure many pc gamers have) times where Ill get random errors and I have to spend a little while messing with drivers, whether it be reverting to a previous driver for better performance, or editing ini files etc.
Some people forget that people that frequent forums like this, and have the knowledge many of us do are in a minority. There are people that struggle to work a cable box or DVR let alone self diagnose or start troubleshooting a pc. Putting a couple of sticks of ram is easy right? But some people out there would panic at the thought of even contemplating opening the panel off a case to do it.
All of that aside while I prefer the performance I get on a PC, I personally end up spending more time looking at temps and frame rate counters than I do playing the game. Im always trying to find a way to squeeze extra performance. Often trying different drivers, editing files etc. Ive also lost count of how many times in the past Ive messed about with fan configurations, positive pressure, negative pressure, setting the top as exhaust, or intake, push pull, what are the best temps etc and end up not even playing a game lol.
With a console I have no choice, I start the game and thats it, and sometimes its nice to do that. I know in the evening after work if I want to play a game, on a console its just gonna run generally.
But Id be lying if I said I didnt die a bit inside when I play a game with crappy frame rate. I wish consoles didnt focus on 4k, its far too soon in my opinion. Ive noticed a few games having performance or quality mode, and Id love that to become common place, as it gives people like myself a choice of frame rate over resolution.
Sweet Bellic
Member
Lol, I've only posted in two threads and both times were in response to other posts that seem to dismiss PC gaming in two very different ways. I didn't go into them with an agenda. I'm just a guy unwinding on a Friday afternoon who is very enthusiastic about PC gaming and gaming news in general. Sorry if it feels like I'm raining on your parade.
And come on, man. Why make things personal? You have a Michael de Santa avatar. We should be buds.
shpankey
not an idiot
Its easy to follow, he works on a PC all day and probably wants to sit on his couch and game on his bigscreen TV and sound system w/ friends on XBL and separate the work experience (sitting at a monitor all day) from his gaming experience. And Im not even trying here.
He also in no way dismissed PC gaming, that I could see anyhow.
Re-read the post he was responding too
You speak of the "average" console player willingness to pay and mention how the PS4 Pro is cheaper.
So you, yourself, is implying that the Pro is targeted more for the "average" player and not the hardcore
Damn, why does every single Xbox thread have to get invaded by Sony fanboys who perform mental gymnastics