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Are you happy with GAF's current pace?
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Bigby_Wolf
Banned
I assume you mean the spirit of oppressive far-left fanaticism?
Blam
Member
I got permabanned for some made up shit so I'm stuck here.
Plus that site has some really stupid posts current so there's no point to even bothering with a new account there.
I cant sign up for email reasons. Just means I have to wait it out and see if neogaf is still worth posting on in 6 months.
Edit: also kinda hoping the currently small community means a more focused discussion when it comes to gaming, it seems to be doing alright
WinterIsComing
Member
The other side's forum is blocked by my work's firewall.
I've lurked there a bit, but it's not that appealing, not sure why.
Elegant Weapon
Member
I literally came back to just to see how things were over here compared to Era; if posts had picked up here. The crawling pace forced me to move on as the speed and community was the reasons I liked posting here. If Im excited for anything, its that the community still exists and Im apart of it again.
Coming back to find a echo chamber of guys parroting the same lines of hivemind, toxic echochamber is just funny and reinforces that this isnt a group I want to hang with.
Why would I spend time making interesting threads for discussions with this crowd? There are still some cool posters left but not nearly enough. The vibe here is completely dead
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
More focused insofar as if you want to spend any decent amount of time reading GAF you have to reread the same posts 4 or 5 times just to fill fifteen minutes, sure. Or even more focused as in people are focused on pretending that the site is better off now. Or even so focused that people have tunnel vision and totally forgot that Blizzcon exists or that there are things to talk about.
SuoGrey
Member
Exactly, why would I follow the shitty part of Gaf to some knock off site thats taking this opportunity to to line its own member count.
nkarafo
Member
Well, that spirit you speak of was a bit toxic for my tastes.
Also i don't see a good reason as to why jump ship.
Blam
Member
I mean they took 25K posters and a few over and who knows how many of those are alts. I mean not even they do because their IP tracking system in XenForo is broken. So people have multiple alts.
I know someone who has 12 alts. Not joking. People stockpile those 100% they do.
Not trying to say everyone does but a good chunk do.
NoMoreTrolls
Banned
And yet, even if there are tons of alts on Era (I pretty much call bullshit on that), it's still 10x more active than here. Fucking pathetic.
Rellik
Member
The kind of threads and posts that made GAF so terrible in recent times is now there and the mod team is laughable with people who were banned on here for good reason. It's even worse the one we had here.
And the immature people who decided to post porn on here and then went there. Why would I want to post with those people?
For me what made GAF work was the sheer volume of people and posts that attracted important people from the industry or interesting folks who had something neat to say. Sure that means there were hundreds of bad posts or short posts that didn't add anything but the nuggets of good stuff that you got were so good that it made the hunt worth it. That stuff is gone now. Some of it is over at ERA some of it isn't. None of it is here.
I'm coming here now out of muscle memory and some feeling of obligation or habit. I feel a bit like a junkie right now except I'm not going through a painful withdrawal. It's a slow tedious realization of what this place was to me and why I came here in the first place. That's all coupled with the realization that I may never find that again and that's probably a good thing for my sanity and productivity.
I'm coming here now out of muscle memory and some feeling of obligation or habit. I feel a bit like a junkie right now except I'm not going through a painful withdrawal. It's a slow tedious realization of what this place was to me and why I came here in the first place. That's all coupled with the realization that I may never find that again and that's probably a good thing for my sanity and productivity.
RPGCrazied
Member
It'll pick up in due time when more members get approved. Just whether the storm.
The moderation over there is transparent with explanations for each warning and ban post visible to all and I haven't seen any cases where the discussion turns one-sided or mean-spirited. That's hardly toxic.
But it's far easier for everyone to just stigmatize the other side as a far-left boogieman, I'm sure
Blam
Member
Not really bullshit it's literally being echo'd by all the alt forums that ERA is being targeted by that they have alts on the site. You don't understand the length these people go to fuck with sites/people.
There is probably maybe a good 4000 alt accounts on ERA without a doubt.
Less approvals actually and more just all of them being Juniors.
Bigby_Wolf
Banned
So they didn't have to close down the Donna Brazile thread and restart it?
I didn't see that one. Even then, that's just an example of good moderation.
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
1. I call bullshit on these baseless hyperbolic assumptions, which you reached anecdotally
2. That still doesn't account for the level of activity. I mean, if it's the same posters posting from all kinds of alts, dedicating hours to write out long posts directed at their other own alts, and having a discussion... Well kudos to them!
On the other hand, what I have personally witnessed, is a concerted effort by many prominent ex community members and personalities who coordinated the exodus externally (Twitter, discord, etc) and it seemingly worked. Plus they got decent positive coverage by journalists and gaming outlets. Give credit when it's due.
There's no point in explaining. This is the only talking point they have that they can use against the new place and it being nonsense that's been shot down multiple times won't stop them.
Such excellent discussion when the only justification they have is a total fantasy.
deathsaber
Member
For me, because I CAN post here, and they haven't approved me yet over there.
Honestly, I plan on posting at both places (if the other places approves me, and also other forums on the internet I like as well). I don't really give a shit about any of the personal drama that recently occurred here or any "this website vs. that one". I don't care, I'll gladly participate at both places. Don't know why there needs to be opposing teams here.
If I see an interesting topic anywhere, I will post with my two cents, as respectfully as possible (because that is my nature, how I believe we should treat others). That's all.
Honestly, I plan on posting at both places (if the other places approves me, and also other forums on the internet I like as well). I don't really give a shit about any of the personal drama that recently occurred here or any "this website vs. that one". I don't care, I'll gladly participate at both places. Don't know why there needs to be opposing teams here.
If I see an interesting topic anywhere, I will post with my two cents, as respectfully as possible (because that is my nature, how I believe we should treat others). That's all.
Blam
Member
Lol they aren't posting back and forth at themselves, I mean you'll see people padding those alts by just posting once in a thread, and leaving not staying for a conversation things like that. Most of the active users will not be alts obviously, but there are alts on there and a good amount of them too.
Sure putting any new forum against neogaf is gonna be positive nothings happened on the other forum yet. It also barely worked lmao, the launch at least on the backend of the forum was rushing to get everything done last minute (except that sweet sweet dark theme/mobile)
But Kudos to getting the site up in time even if they missed 3 deadlines.
For me:
1. I don't like the design of the site, much prefer GAF to it.
2. I saw the mod-lists a few weeks back. A lot of them, not all mind you, i saw as the biggest contributors to OT being so toxic.
I'm not completely against moving. Number one might change and i might be able to stomach two. But as it now stand i'm gonna stay on GAF.
I think we do largely agree on this, the main thing I am disagreeing with is people seemingly exaggerating the scale of the issue. I never found it difficult to keep from being banned.
Okay, seems like I did.
This would be a very difficult subject to weigh in on. There is a reason Blacks go for athletics and are dominant in athletics and it isn't all to do with genetics.
Also it would depend on how he said it. Saying "Blacks are better boxers" is racist because not every Black is a better boxer or even a boxer at all. Same would be if I said "Asians are smart" or "White people can't jump". Majority of Blacks do not box, are not runners, do not play pro-football, etc. As said above, there is a very big reason why Blacks are steered to athletics.
No matter how statistically likely it is for this to be true, it would still be a racist statement.
That is pretty alarming. U.S conservative ideology unfortunately was tainted on GAF due to the numerous people associated with it that do not care anyone else in the country, but themselves.
For example not every Republican is a racist, but it is hard to call yourself a Republican and vote Republican while justifying it here because of the very real issues it brings for minorities and in general the whole U.S. So he isn't wrong for the most part in that it is very opposite of GAF's base (the active base anyways).
I do agree that a mod should not be stating this though and hopefully not deciding on who to ban based on that mentality.
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
I just came across the tweets you included in post #415 of this thread, and some other RE related tweets you posted. I think you went off the deep end by being too invested. And based on that, I don't think there's any point to having a conversation about anything related to the subject matter. I hope you move on one day.
kunonabi
Member
I have no real attachment to Gaf and if it really no longer operates as a strong source of news ill drop it. However, the incredibly obnoxious and childish behavior of everyone that left is a turnoff. Gaf right now is probably the least hostile it's been since ive joined so i dont mind sticking around and seeing if the ship can right itself.
Blam
Member
Ok I guess? Not sure why my tweets have anything to do with the subject matter of what I'm talking about.
Jinfash
needs 2 extra inches
You feel slighted by the site creators. Therefore the subjectivity of your thoughts on the site's performance is questionable... Just my 2 cents.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
Am I happy with the pace? No
Am I happy that GAF lost a lot of its terrible members? Yes.
I am sure things will pick up over time. I am also happy that the politics seem to be shifting closer to center left instead of extreme far left. I am seeing much more actual discussion in threads and much less dog piling and ban baiting.
So yeah, its a bit of a mixed bag right now, but I think Tyler has the forum headed in the right direction. Maybe we need to start allowing non-paid emails though? Never understood that rule.
Am I happy that GAF lost a lot of its terrible members? Yes.
I am sure things will pick up over time. I am also happy that the politics seem to be shifting closer to center left instead of extreme far left. I am seeing much more actual discussion in threads and much less dog piling and ban baiting.
So yeah, its a bit of a mixed bag right now, but I think Tyler has the forum headed in the right direction. Maybe we need to start allowing non-paid emails though? Never understood that rule.
Dee Dah Dave
Member
It's fine as long as the new game news keeps pouring in at a reasonable pace. I'm too old to be joining new forums and don't care enough to do it.
This forum does need to learn from some of it's many previous mistakes though, and then can maybe grow again into something decent.
This forum does need to learn from some of it's many previous mistakes though, and then can maybe grow again into something decent.
SuoGrey
Member
Oh yeah no question, still they have a rocky road ahead of them after seeing how crazy some people went with their ban requests I mean damn hard pressed to say anything of unreplaceable value was lost. It's gonna be nutty here also but from what were already hearing about the other forum I'm pretty ok with just chilling here.
It is also the least active it ever been since you joined too... That "hostility" is gone because majority of active GAF took off.
Man, no offense, but you need to drop this apparent strong vendetta/hatred you have for that website. I mean you are trying to claim 4000 accounts in a 26K- 30K member website are alternate accounts. The fact you are being hyperbolic with no substance to go off on other than the occasional people you know who apparently have 10 accounts there is proof of this.
Blam
Member
I mean sure the site creators might have done something wrong and I don't like how it was handled in anyway at all.
But I can talk about the sites performance easily without bias, I know the behind the scenes info I have been given, and what I'm talking about.
llien
Member
Yes, because you also didn't want to hear some opinions (most of them outright hostile, I admit).
You tend to see the world through US lens. Kenyan athlete beating Albanian athlete has nothing to do with economics.
And I'm missing the controversy part of the statement. People (I think) treat physical characteristics rather indifferently.
One by one:
1) "Blacks are better boxers" (I am not sure, if this is factually true) and "all blacks are better boxers" is not the same statement.
2) There is a reason blacks are steered to athletics IN US.
3) There is a reason 100m sprint only among males is dominated by black athletes (not necessarily from US, current champion is from Jamaica). There are notable differences between legs of black and white males _on_average_, which lead to that. Note how it isn't the case among females.
Statements about brain functions is something totally different and understandably taboo.
All that might be very arguable, but banning junior member who is asking questions, instead of talking to him/her, is not right..
You sure you can speak without bias with the statements you been making?
Not sure what you mean here, since I only said I mistook your post as saying those active posters weren't the reason insiders were here, which was your reason for coming.
If we break GAF into nationality, majority of GAF is from U.S... So, therefore most people are going to see that statement from a U.S perspective. It is part of why they saw his post as inflammatory, likely. Again, I can't see his post (which now your saying he was asking questions), to make a comment on it.
I have no interest in getting any deeper into this discussion though.
Bigby_Wolf
Banned
Ok, well let me just venture into US PoliERA 2017 hangout.
I'm sure I'll find all sorts of political discussions with every side fairly represented in there and it won't just be another Democrat cheerleading echo-chamber the likes of which we see in the daily "Trump's so stupid/evil/mean/racist" threads that constantly populate the OT form there...
Oh wait.
Mods there cracked down on even insulting Trump in a personal manner, sooooo.
And no... not "every side" will be or should be fairly represented there. Some beliefs/ideologies do not deserve the light of day or a second of time spent responding to it.
Blam
Member
I can try to. I won't make promises. Sure after what I've said about the other site, and the people running it sure what I have previously said is likely biased af.
But I can try to push forward with less biased comments after. Still gonna be difficult for me.
Bigby_Wolf
Banned
..and judging by that thread that would be any not coming from the Democrats.
Incredibly convenient.
JordanN
Banned
Back when Neogaf first came back online and Evilore revealed the statement, my plan was to be a cross poster on both forums.
However, after I saw the first wave of reactions to Evilore's statement turn into porn spams, "fuck yous" and other unprofessional conduct, it turned me off from joining.
Even if the other forum is active and others have apologized for that behavior, first impressions matter to me.
GAF now is no longer oppressive to moderate voices. It was horrible seeing people banned if they didn't advocate violence even against people I don't like.
The other forum bans Colin topics and while the guy is a prick, it's the same slippery slope to banning all discussion that isn't extreme left. That doesn't inspire confidence moderates can fit in.
You know what makes Gaf great now? Constant bitterness over the old posters who left and bitching about how the new place sucks.
happy to see the GAF update at the top.
and yeah... I essentially have to stay away from all social/political topics on the other forum. It's the exact same as it was previously on GAF.
and this is coming from someone who has voted democrat for over 20 years.
and yeah... I essentially have to stay away from all social/political topics on the other forum. It's the exact same as it was previously on GAF.
and this is coming from someone who has voted democrat for over 20 years.
TTOOLL
Member
Slayven is a mod lol
What about the first impression GAF made when it came back online and it was filled with alt-right voices rejoicing at the death of the "SJW Snowflake Echo-chamber" and other nasty shit...that's cool yeah?
You should actually have a look and see for yourself. Lots of moderate and right leaning views over there that aren't being silenced unless they're abrasive and not arguing in good faith...and the same warnings and bans are being handed out to left leaning folk as well. And we can see this information due to how transparent it is now.
Blam
Member
You know what's even better? Just ignoring people like me, because trust me it's easier to do, and takes less effort on both sides to do. I mean sure I'm being a bit rude responding like this, but hey that's what you get when you've got other problems in life.
I mean, Trump is those things. There's years of tweets to evidence that. Sounds like your idea of an echo chamber is really just soreness over calling out discriminatory rhetoric for what it is.
Bigby_Wolf
Banned
Ask yourself why that is?
Is it more likely they suddenly had a change of heart or is it more likely they are doing it because there's direct competition in their market [this place]?
Let's not forget, it's easy to be extra vigilant in a honeymoon period, which the other place is in, but what will it be after it's lost the new car smell?
We know the character of many of those in charge, they can't help what comes naturally to them.
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