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Rumour: PS5 Devkits have released (UPDATE 25th April : 7nm chips moving to mass production)
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So how long do you you want them to wait?
demigod
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They want Sony to wait until MS releases their next console the same year. Bookmark this and come back holiday 2020.
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Leocarian
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Sony won't be waiting for MS to release a console lol. They have no reason too. They're far and ahead.
Wait so why couldn’t they release it one in 2018 and another in 2021?
Lort
Banned
I dont care about console wars .. i want whats best for the industry. Releasing a subpar ps5 will limit the whole next generation and would be worse for sony not better. Initally they will be ahead on sales but then as the generation gets older its gpu limitations will limit its capability to keep up with xbox / pc. In the end its prob going to be better for MS for Sony to do this approach as most people upgrade later in the cycle and may likely favour the more powerful console if its the same price. Already planning for a ps5 pro now just means generations are truely dead and Sony is the main instigator. A 2021 ps 5 pro will be released whilst many games are still being released for ps4 pro and ps4!
Generations are dead.. which honestly is a good thing because fake limitations on what platforms games are on are stupid. I never cared Titanfall or Tombraider came out on 360 .. why would i?
I guess I’m confused why this is a bad thing?
demigod
Member
The 360 released early, did it limit the generation? No. The xbox one released way underpowered yet you seem to be happy with your xbox one x, hypocrite much? So if you think 2019 is too early which is only 3 years from the pro, by your logic the next xbox should release in 2021. Let’s face it, you just don’t want Sony to release their next console in 2019 is because you know your xbox one x will be obsolete and you’ll have to upgrade to the next xbox. MS will certainly not give Sony a year headstart into next gen even if you believe what your Savior says.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Sony has a fantastic 1st party who push further than any multi platform release, they’ll be fine.
demigod
Member
It boggles me when people think sony are gimping their own consoles when they make the best looking games with 1.8tflops.
ragon
Member
About the new news, I think its still too early for devkits for PS5.
But still, the specs say that sony is working on the new console.
The CPU it seems powerful, also there's something interesting about Navi based microarchitecture, there's who said it might be Lego-like which it's supporting an extension of GPU, or Upgrade!
Which means We may not see PS5 Pro but we may have after PS5 Release Upgrade option for the GPU by Installing it as a cartridge or something like that which will make the console life is more than we think.
But still, the specs say that sony is working on the new console.
The CPU it seems powerful, also there's something interesting about Navi based microarchitecture, there's who said it might be Lego-like which it's supporting an extension of GPU, or Upgrade!
Which means We may not see PS5 Pro but we may have after PS5 Release Upgrade option for the GPU by Installing it as a cartridge or something like that which will make the console life is more than we think.
luca_29_bg
Member
That trailer was entirely done on a ps4. There is nothing in it from a ps5.
Leocarian
Banned
My head still can't get around on how those games are so insane looking running on a piece of shit outdated measly 1.8 tflops hardware and poop CPU.
Red Crayon Aristocrat
Member
There's definitely not going to be a PS5 any sooner than fall of 2019, I can guarantee you that.
Aggelos
Member
If PS5 is to be released in 2019, various sought-after games might wind up getting cross-gen treatment ? (you know, across the board --> PS4, PS4Pro, PS5)
If, indeed, it lands in 2019, then it is going to be interesting to see games announced in this gen, how they will develop-unfold themselves on the new PS5 hardware
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Stranding
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_of_Us_Part_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_7_Remake
http://residentevil.wikia.com/wiki/Resident_Evil_2_(remake)
If, indeed, it lands in 2019, then it is going to be interesting to see games announced in this gen, how they will develop-unfold themselves on the new PS5 hardware
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Stranding
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_of_Us_Part_II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_7_Remake
http://residentevil.wikia.com/wiki/Resident_Evil_2_(remake)
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Red Crayon Aristocrat
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I could easily Death Stranding winding up a PS5 only game, maybe even a launch title, given the intensity of the graphics.
I wouldn't be surprised to see The Last of Us Part 2 become a cross platform game much like the first.
the FF7 remake isn't coming for years so that'll be a PS5 game.
And no clue about the RE2 remake.
I wouldn't be surprised to see The Last of Us Part 2 become a cross platform game much like the first.
the FF7 remake isn't coming for years so that'll be a PS5 game.
And no clue about the RE2 remake.
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Leocarian
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Silent Viper
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Things I want from Next PS5 -
Full PS4 Native Bc
60 fps mandatory for all games that means good cpu.
12 or 16 gb ram DDR5
Gpu equivalent of 1070 or higher atleast.
Fast OS
Faster hdd for faster loadtimes and better streaming of assets.
Dolby Atmos support
System level HDR and supersampling.
Good cooling solution
Whisper quiet system coz Pro is freaking jet engine.
SSD don't think will be possible without significantly increasing cost of hardware.
That's all I want. Don't want anything fancy which makes system very expensive
Full PS4 Native Bc
60 fps mandatory for all games that means good cpu.
12 or 16 gb ram DDR5
Gpu equivalent of 1070 or higher atleast.
Fast OS
Faster hdd for faster loadtimes and better streaming of assets.
Dolby Atmos support
System level HDR and supersampling.
Good cooling solution
Whisper quiet system coz Pro is freaking jet engine.
SSD don't think will be possible without significantly increasing cost of hardware.
That's all I want. Don't want anything fancy which makes system very expensive
Silent Viper
Banned
Gears 4 looks as good any PS4 exclusives in 4k on X. Gears 4 on X is more than just resolution boost. Everything is improved from assets to frame rate.
Art style is different and less realistic compared to Order but it's right up there with best atleast on PC and X. I have played both and I was far more impressed with Gears 4 on X than Order 1886 which had to resort to black bars to high visual fidelity.
Same goes for Forza Horizon 3 and Halo 5 on X. After checking Halo 5 on X, I was blown away. It's 4k60 on X.
These games are native 4k with 4k assets which no PS exclusive can achieve this gen.
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Red Crayon Aristocrat
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Maybe the XB1X is why Sony is rushing to get a PS5 out the door, since the X is native 4K and the PS4 Pro is not.
Which probably means the PS5 will be just barely more powerful than the PS4.
I could live with that if the PS5 is totally backwards compatible with the PS4 and it basically would be like buying a Pro but you also get 5 exclusives and also if Sony cools it for a while and doesn't release a "PS5 Pro" two years after the 5 comes out.
But still, this feels like a welcome to a new world of console upgrades happening as frequently as buying a new graphics card for your PC and once again the line between PC and console gaming gets blurrier, raising the question of why even bother with consoles since increasingly the only exclusives are first party ones and if a console is just a PC with less features.
On top of that if there's a new rapid arms race with consoles coming more frequently we're going to fast reach the point where graphics are photorealistic and then what more can you do?
Which probably means the PS5 will be just barely more powerful than the PS4.
I could live with that if the PS5 is totally backwards compatible with the PS4 and it basically would be like buying a Pro but you also get 5 exclusives and also if Sony cools it for a while and doesn't release a "PS5 Pro" two years after the 5 comes out.
But still, this feels like a welcome to a new world of console upgrades happening as frequently as buying a new graphics card for your PC and once again the line between PC and console gaming gets blurrier, raising the question of why even bother with consoles since increasingly the only exclusives are first party ones and if a console is just a PC with less features.
On top of that if there's a new rapid arms race with consoles coming more frequently we're going to fast reach the point where graphics are photorealistic and then what more can you do?
Lort
Banned
It does kinda seem like they are spooked last gen MS was riding the wave until the end even though that was letting Playstation catch up. I guess they are worried MS is going to catchup.. releasing a new console just sells to your existing market and dosent expand it. It will be interesting to see how they price the base ps4 going foward youd think thed make it super cheap to undercut the xbox one s.
bitbydeath
Gold Member
To save arguing, let's say it looks as good, it still took 6tf for MS to come close to a 1.84tf Sony game.
Just imagine what could be done with 10tf+
Unlikely since sales are still abysmal for Xbox, if Sony had a competitor spooking them it would be Nintendo.
They're likely just going the PS1 / PS2 generation timeframes tho.
Armorian
Banned
Sony don't give a shit about X1X sales, this console is not going to change sales ratio (2:1 or even more). PS5 is in development since 2013, they probably estimated release window to ~2019/2020 many years ago. X1X is late to the party, MS will release nextbox in the same year PS5 launches.
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Custom zen could mean anything. If they want 8 cores perhaps it means one large ccx of 8 cores instead of 2 with 4 cores each. Perhaps it will have a custom memory controller. Maybe they want to tweak l2 and l3 cache sizes to optimise it for its use case.
No reason to assume that it will be cut down or anything.
No reason to assume that it will be cut down or anything.
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Koala Driving a Ferrari
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I love all of this hardware speculation. The PS5 has a lot to prove for me as my gaming priorities have very quickly changed thanks to the X.
Do you guys feel that a PS4 Pro Slim will ever be on the cards now that PS5 development is hitting its stride and is only a year and a half away?
Do you guys feel that a PS4 Pro Slim will ever be on the cards now that PS5 development is hitting its stride and is only a year and a half away?
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llien
Member
Technically there.
CPU is good (Zen), but Sony making 60fps mandatory is not going to happen.
Definitely there.
So, something around Vega 56, one tier higher than PS4 Pro's "480", quite likely
Wait, is current OS slow?
Nothing stops you from upgrading to SSD, there has been no serious progress on traditional HDD speed, so not going to happen.
What does that mean? Current PS4's already can feed TVs over HDMI with HDR enabled.
Would be cool, and I'd pay 100 more for a premium "quiet" version, but, alas, unlikely to happen.
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llien
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On PS4 they gave up 7 to devs, so 1 is reserved for OS, they can't give that last core up for "yields".
DavidGzz
Member
We've never seen downgrades after initial reveals. I hope not but we've seen dozens of downgrades in games.
-hadouken
Member
Sony aren't losing any sleep over the X. These mid-gen boxes represent a tiny niche market with minuscule install bases compared to the sea of vanilla X1 and PS4s.
AnimalFather
Banned
GDDR6 or HBM3 ?
or just plan ol' GDDR5
or just plan ol' GDDR5
GirlsFeetMeansLove
Neo Member
Some here say a Rysen 8 core CPU kosts nearly 300 what people forget is that it is not how much it cost to produce the chip nor does Sony would pay in a contract with a order of 10-15 million for the first year this regular Walmart price.An iPhone Kost let’s say 900 dollars but to produce it it kosts Apple maybe 180-250.Same with Nike t shirts the produce them for 2 dollars in a 3 world country and sell them with their name on it for 20-30 dollars.Sony would get everything dirt cheap they have also the history to show a new comer company who would build their first console would never get the price which Sony would get because no one knows if they console would even sell but Sony allways sells minimum 10 million a year no matter what the Mega expensive PS 3 sold more than 10 million every year so AMD gives Sony very cheap prices they know they will earn lots of money with Sony
Ar¢tos
Member
Because it is impossible to mass produce perfect chips, I've always assumed that 1 cpu core and some gpu CUs were disabled to make sure every console manufactured could reach the same max performance.
llien
Member
They do have some circuit redundancy, so if some of transistors are bad, chip is still working.
But entire cores is too much.
AMD did that with lower tier Ryzen, however.
daibaron
Banned
Yes, a fast, simple and efficient OS is very important. One of my favorite features of the ps4 compared to xone.
nowhat
Member
I think that's a fairly likely development. Newer version of the APU (not different feature-wise of course), cheaper to produce/able to sell for less, it makes sense business-wise. PS3 went through several iterations, from the monstrosity that was the original fat model to the last slimmest model that was quite tiny.
nowhat
Member
Nitpicking, but it was originally 6 for the devs, 2 for the OS. Currently it's 6 and half-ish for the devs, rest for the OS.
Koala Driving a Ferrari
Member
Hopefully you're right mate. If Sony can squeeze the PS4 Pro tech into a PS4 Slim sized chasis (or thereabouts) and keep it quiet, I'll definitely be in the market for one.
llien
Member
Yes, but why do you say it is half? I read Sony unlocks PS4’s 7th processing core for developers (following Microsoft).
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MilkyJoe
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Because it would be stupid
nowhat
Member
This may have changed since, but when the feature was released, it was said that the seventh core may not be completely/all the time usable by devs. Quoting from the article:
So "half" may not be correct, but at least then "completely" wasn't either.
Shit loads
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An incredibly compelling argument.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
They already said that the next console will be a new generation console. Not in the PS4 family of consoles.
MilkyJoe
Member
Do you need an explanation as to why releasing a new console, 2 years after people just bought your latest console, is stupid?
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