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For those wanting a SSD I just hope you’re cool with 500gb or 1TB models again next gen. No way they are putting 2TB SSDs in the PS5 unless it’s going to cost 600 bucks or more.
I can see where Sony is heading.
PS5 in 2019, a bit early but it is 6 years after PS4. $399 with backward compatibility, a pure gaming console. Strike while PS4 is beloved still.
Say XB2 launch in 2020, Sony will lose the specs war but gain the user base.
Then in 2022, we will probably have PS5 Pro and that will regain the graphics lead for Sony for that generation.
Unless MS wants to abandon the XB1X early, then they will keep playing catch up to Sony for next gen.
For those wanting a SSD I just hope you’re cool with 500gb or 1TB models again next gen. No way they are putting 2TB SSDs in the PS5 unless it’s going to cost 600 bucks or more.
Man this reminds me of the people who swore that landlines would always be relevant.
Yet you're the same one going on about how the Xbox One requires you to be online to play your games.
But PS4 and XONE were $100 more in price then Wii U. If PS5 is $600, sure, we can see a good leap. But that aint gonna happen.
In this situation, people think that PS5 will cost $100 LESS then X1X. How will they provide a good leap without taking a good loss?
about 2x if the 11tf rumor is true.what % more powerful we talking over the X?
The Wii U’s cpu was more advanced with far less MHz. Had that been the cpu in the 360 from day one it probably would have seen some late PS3-like quality graphics earlier on and we’d may not even see Sony compete. Most of what we see with the Wii U third parties are rushed ports but BotW does actually play decent. Look what Nintendo did for BotW.
It's more about psychology then money in itself. And people buy with their gutsBut remember it will be 2019/20, there is inflation, rise of salaries and costs. 400 now means much less than in 2007. It is not worse because we had a big crisis for several years, especially in europe.
On the other side of the coin not whatever the industry pitches as good for everyone is good for anybody but itself... remember distal distribution being heralded as just the same as physical distribution, but just much cheaper because reasons? Yeah... hence why I get right of resale and pay less for games in general when I buy them physically on Amazon (brand new) instead of digitally. It turns out the industry was lying ... surprise...
about 2x if the 11tf rumor is true.
More advanced is a little dubious. It had the benefit of being several fabrication nodes down from when the 360 was designed, but it was very much PowerPC 750 (CL?) cores with added tags for more cache, multicore support, and the few extensions added when they first used that core in the Gamecube. Three of those at some of the highest clocks the 750 has run at, and with a short pipeline it was a pretty efficient processor, but I wouldn't use the term advanced, even if its old short pipeline and modern fabrication plant allowing for the 1.2GHz clock speed made it better in most ways than the Xenon at 3.2.
I'm also not that sure the PS3 did anything particularly undoable...Certainly late stage games used the Cell heavily, but it was often making up for how lackluster the RSX was compared to the Xenos with its unified shaders, unified memory pool, and eDRAM. It was more a function of how much budget they gave first parties to prove what the PS3 could do and really polish everything, had they made the same effort and been 360 exclusive devs, who knows.
Ahh the 7th gen battlegrounds, maybe it's because I'm an o l d b o y now but things never felt as exciting as poring over the specs in 2005-2006 again.
I think the next gen will start at the end 2020 at the earliest if it's 2021 that is fine with me. I'm happy with what Ps4 Pro and X1X are offering at the moment. I would like the next gen to be a substantial leap on all fronts. I have no problems waithing
As long as any new system is forward and backward compatible (and I believe they will be) give me a new console every 2-3 years. I have a 4K tv that would love gaming in 4K 60 FPS. As long as the new games work on the old systems why is a new system a bad thing this or next year?
in late 2019?I can see a 11TF machine but @ $500 not $400.
I can see Sony releases a 500 $ ps5 fully backward compatible with ps4 and discount the pro to 300 $ so the pro will be their entry level system going forward
Man this reminds me of the people who swore that landlines would always be relevant.
I can see Sony releases a 500 $ ps5 fully backward compatible with ps4 and discount the pro to 300 $ so the pro will be their entry level system going forward
We don’t believe that generations are going away. They are truly healthy for the industry, and for the gaming community. It’s just that the objectives for PS4 Pro are quite different.
Not where I am. And not for the last 18 years or so.They deliver the internet...
In my country elderly people get nearly free landlines so they can call for help even when there is a powercut (because of fires, storms, etc).Not where I am. And not for the last 18 years or so.
Is all fibre. Even the actual phones here are voip rather than using a phone line.
In my country elderly people get nearly free landlines so they can call for help even when there is a powercut (because of fires, storms, etc).
VoIP phones need electricity to work (and its quite a challenge to get elderly people to master mobile phones).
Not everybody lives in cities, there are people living in more remote areas everywhere in the world, and those like to play games too.
Oh I know. Just saying. I don't actually know a single person with a land line. Even my partners grandparents use Skype and mobiles.
And I live in a pretty small city (smaller than most towns in the UK)
Having seen what happened between the PS4 and the XB1, I'd beg to differ.
The sweet spot is under 399. Anything more than that it won't sell. And we have seen this with the PS3 and the XB1, PS4Pro, XB1X
in late 2019?
The day everyone has the minimum throughout and latency guarantees that people in Singapore or South Korea get fine... we can talk about it (... and people do not get throttled), but U.K. effective speeds are nothing to scream about IMHO.
what % more powerful we talking over the X?
PlayStation 5 GPU alone should be ~2 times Xbox One X GPU.
The CPU jump on the other hand will totally embarrass the Jaguar CPU in the Xbox One X. With Zen 2 in PS5, you could be talking about 6X processing power jump over XBX or perhaps even more!
The high end PS4 games (Horizon, God of War, Uncharted) are very GPGPU dependant.
Of course PS5s Navi-based APU will also have GPGPU capabilities but combined with the raw power of a Zen 2 CPU and you should see some gnarly graphics, animation and world simulation that an Xbox One X could never come close to.
The 2x GPU jump is only one element of the equation.
Idk why people think it will be zen 2 at this point...
What's sad about any new console is that no matter how powerfull the CPU/GPU are, From Software will never use the full hardware potential and will always make amazing games with a few weird technical issues and not as visually beautiful as other 3rd party developers manage to create :'( (i guess it is impossible to have it all...)
Idk why people think it will be zen 2 at this point...
I don't know about that. Some console games like Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4 and Forza 7 can go toe to toe with any 3rd party game I've seen on a technical level, IMO.
I think he was talking specifically about the developer From Software and their games!?
Not where I am. And not for the last 18 years or so.
Is all fibre. Even the actual phones here are voip rather than using a phone line.
I disagree with that statement.
The problem with the PS3 and the XB1 was that they were more expensive, but actually they weren't better consoles. When you pay more, you expect a better far more powerful system, but the PS3 was on par with the Xbox 360 and the XB1 was even worse than the PS4.
I'm sure the market would react well to a expensive console if that money goes into a far better hardware than the competition.
Oh. Hahaha. From Software. Missed that part.
The problem with the PS3 and the XB1 was that they were more expensive, but actually they weren't better consoles. When you pay more, you expect a better far more powerful system, but the PS3 was on par with the Xbox 360 and the XB1 was even worse than the PS4.
Oh no I fully expect the first gen of zen. Just nothing newerEven Zen1 would be a massive improvement. Are you expecting another round of Jaguar derived CPUs or something?
Not really. The PS3 was better then the 360, but the blueray drive pushed the cost so high that it was not perceived as a good bargain. Add to that that developers had to work harder to get the PS3 fully working, it was a real stuggle.
The XB1 was indeed inferior, but what really drove the cost higher was the Kinect: people didn't need/want that contraption, and didn't want to spend more money just to look silly in front of the TV (PS: I used to that kinda stuff on the Amiga back in the days)
Meanwhile Microsoft had to pay licence fees to Sony for using Bluray in their Xbox 360 consoleNot really. The PS3 was better then the 360, but the blueray drive pushed the cost so high that it was not perceived as a good bargain. Add to that that developers had to work harder to get the PS3 fully working, it was a real stuggle.
The XB1 was indeed inferior, but what really drove the cost higher was the Kinect: people didn't need/want that contraption, and didn't want to spend more money just to look silly in front of the TV (PS: I used to that kinda stuff on the Amiga back in the days)
This is so debatable it's still being debated 12 years after that war started lol. The blu ray drive was an advantage, but outside of a few games using multi disk on 360, you could rarely see any impact on texture quality. That was because the RSX was so lackluster compared to the Xenos, with its fixed pixel and vertex shaders not being able to be used 100% in any workload like a unified shader design and no fast eDRAM. There was also no unified memory pool, there was a link between RSX and Cell but some paths were rather slow, Cell writing to GDDR3 at just 4GB/s, RSX reading from XDR at just 10.6GB/s (and I can't find where a developer said in the real world these figures were a LOT lower), so clearly not the same as one unified pool (plus eDRAM making bandwidth hungry ROPs not hit the main pool). Also keep in mind the blu ray drive was much slower than DVD at the time, so even if it could store more perhaps games didn't load in that much more for load times.
And even at the end of the struggle when developers could really use the Cell, most of the time the SPEs were tied up making up for how crappy RSX was, pre-culling scenes and taking on vertex work and so on. And for all the budget working it well took, I'm still not completely sure those one-hand-count of games couldn't have run on the 360 with as much budget and first party talent poured in. And let alone that cross platform almost always won on 360, with a few titles when really optimized the shit out of on PS3 looking equal.
Imo the most ideal 7th gen would look a lot like a 360 with blu ray, and maaaybe for interest, Xenos on the GPU with Cell as a processor to see what it could do when not making up for a poor GPU. Sony chose a GPU-ey CPU right when the world would start moving to GPU compute.
Ahh, one thing is for sure, hardware won't be as interesting as the 7th gen again, with both 99% likely to choose different cuts of AMD APUs with similar generation CPUs and GPUs.
Idk why people think it will be zen 2 at this point...
oh there is one other possibility besides AMD, and that is Nvidia. Nvidia already provides the GPU used in the Nintendo Switch. I don't have any inside information or anything, just Nvidia moving to consoles with the Switch. that is two big gaming markets they've got now: Nintendo and PC. I don't know, but I'm certain they would like to expand their market penetration even further, just like with any business. I think it's a 50/50 split chance Nvidia would be used in either next-generation Xbox or PlayStation, or even both. actually that is a bit more complex than just a 50/50 coin toss, but you get what I'm saying hopefully. component suppliers can change, and although I'm sure AMD would like to be in next-gen consoles as well, Nvidia has the fab expertise to handle anything Microsoft and Sony throw at them. in fact, I would say they have even better relationships with the fabs than AMD does!
PS5 dev kits have AMD cards in them and you expect nVidia to win the PS5 contract?
Am I reading you right?
And if so, how will PS4 backwards compatibility work on nVidia hardware?