Clinton514
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Exaggerated features but a cool character.What did people feel when Lara Croft was introduced in 90s?
Exaggerated features but a cool character.What did people feel when Lara Croft was introduced in 90s?
Ive seen the "its not realistic for her to take down guys twice her size" several times and each time its come off as ridiculous and more like complaining for the sake of complaining.I personally don't see any problem with having female protagonists (especially when well-written). However, there are some issues, especially in physical conflicts. Whenever a game or movie is going for realism, it is really jarring for me to have a female character beating down a dude twice her size.
One recent example for me, is the movie Atomic Blonde. Charlize Theron's character has a few brutal brawls with several men. I kept asking my friend if she was supposed to have super powers or something, because there is no way someone is taking that kind of beating from someone twice their size and getting up. I realize physical combat in games/movies is already fake enough, but it is getting even harder to hold on to the shred of suspension of disbelief with this direction.
I know it is popular nowadays to say everyone can be the same (which is not true at all, there are serious differences between not just men and women, but from one individual to the next). Having a character play to their strength is better in my opinion.
I was a little put off by The Last of Us 2. In general the game looks good, but some of the Ellie situations are a little jarring. She looks pretty small, whereas Joel looked like a big guy. I also don't get the lesbian in your face theme. Nothing wrong with a lesbian protagonist, however most games don't do that for a trailer unless pandering. Sure, there are plenty of trailers with heterosexual protagonists, but they don't purposefully have them make out in sizzle reels or stage demos.
The bolded is true, but the default in society still is and has always been straight, white and male. So I think it's necessary to "flip the switch" and have games with only female leads, who're not straight and not exclusively white. Why? Because these people do exist and play these games.
If you look at the statistics for games released this year alone, I guarantee there are more where you play as a white male or animal/creature/robot over a woman or person of color. Same with books, movies, TV shows and every other entertainment medium.
Female leading protagonists is good for the industry but in some games (Bayonetta) they over-seaxualize woman (eye candy) which is not a good thing because this leads to some discrimination, perversion and other issues that have a negative impact outside the videogame market.
Think about how many woman struggle daily to look attractive because of those standards
Can you quote anyone who is against that?
The reason the scene irked me is because I feel like Ellie would have better taste... it's almost insulting and makes her less believable as a character.
Naught dog dev: "Hey, guys lesbians are pretty much attracted to anything with a vagina right?" Yeah man totally... "Even if they're really REALLY unattractive?!" Psh, yeah man! Lesbians actually have no taste at all just as long as it's a female... they'll be into them! "Great, great that's what I read too... so let's just make her attracted to someone super gross then yeah, can we get away with that?" "HELL YEAH!!! WE"RE SO CUTTING EDGE!"
The reason the scene irked me is because I feel like Ellie would have better taste... it's almost insulting and makes her less believable as a character.
Naught dog dev: "Hey, guys lesbians are pretty much attracted to anything with a vagina right?" Yeah man totally... "Even if they're really REALLY unattractive?!" Psh, yeah man! Lesbians actually have no taste at all just as long as it's a female... they'll be into them! "Great, great that's what I read too... so let's just make her attracted to someone super gross then yeah, can we get away with that?" "HELL YEAH!!! WE"RE SO CUTTING EDGE!"
Female leading protagonists is good for the industry but in some games (Bayonetta) they over-seaxualize woman (eye candy) which is not a good thing because this leads to some discrimination, perversion and other issues that have a negative impact outside the videogame market.
Think about how many woman struggle daily to look attractive because of those standards
Not to mention, what with the zombie apocalypse and all, the options may be limited. Tinder probably won't be at its peak anymore.People are attracted to different people? Oh noes. What a shocker.
I wasn't replying to anyone, just to the overall sentiment in the sense that we shouldn't be overthinking this. In the "I like women in leading roles, but" phrase, this but usually leads to overanalysis or is even a rebuttal to stuff that is unrelated to a work of fiction.
I wish i could downvote you. So she should be dating a super model?
Not to mention, what with the zombie apocalypse and all, the options may be limited. Tinder probably won't be at its peak anymore.
(Seriously, "super gross"? Please do post a picture of yourself for reference)
EA’s dogged response to this debacle marks another instance of creators standing up against toxic fan bases who seek to rail against diversity and what they view as “PC politics.”
I personally think she looks normal, not intentionally unattractive. While Hollywood would have you believe everyone is gorgeous, that's about as far from reality as you can get.My post was intended to be a bit over the top... I don't think she's super gross and only intended to exaggerate a funny dev exchange... Also, it wouldn't matter if I looked like your avatar, they still designed a character that's intentionally unattractive... if you don't think they did you're not being honest with yourself.
Female leading protagonists is good for the industry but in some games (Bayonetta) they over-seaxualize woman (eye candy) which is not a good thing because this leads to some discrimination, perversion and other issues that have a negative impact outside the videogame market.
Think about how many woman struggle daily to look attractive because of those standards
Wow. Are they seriously saying they don't care if people buy their game or not? Really?
Placing a female character in the British army on the frontlines in a WW2 game is utter stupidity. There are a thousand different tales they could have told about brave women in that war but not the farcical route they chose which disrespects history & the real men who fought in that terrible conflict.
I personally think she looks normal, not intentionally unattractive. While Hollywood would have you believe everyone is gorgeous, that's about as far from reality as you can get.
It's really not a social justice issue like some people have made it out to be. It's an issue of demographics.
I want a Xena game now. Where's all the muscular women in games? Tired of these twigs.No one complained about Xena. I really do not get it. This is a game which had a minotaur at the end of the demo. There is nothing really realistic in this game^^
I too remember attractive stylized female characters.What bothers me is that people automatically assume that game developers are catering to some "SJW" movement. It's like do people remember Lara Croft, Samus Aran, Jill Valentine, Claire Redfield and Aya Brea?
And they usually don't. We still have testosterone-heavy lead characters but now they have a vagina.We've had 20 odd years of testosterone-heavy lead characters, they can take the story in some different directions with a female lead.
And they usually don't. We still have testosterone-heavy lead characters but now they have a vagina.
its 100 percent a social issue. especially with devs coming out and shitting on their fans if they dont like a certain aspects. granted a lot of fans act awful but devs are acting like they have moral superiority now. its a really shitty attitude they are starting to get
You should play Gone Home, Tacoma, and Life is Strange.
That's a valid point if you're talking about the singleplayer campaign, but if it comes to multiplayer, who honestly cares if people pick a female character or not.Placing a female character in the British army on the frontlines in a WW2 game is utter stupidity. There are a thousand different tales they could have told about brave women in that war but not the farcical route they chose which disrespects history & the real men who fought in that terrible conflict.
to right wingers, diversity is always forced.
Half of the population is woman. It's only natural to have more female leads in video games.
I think Naughty Dog is obviously pushing an agenda. I'm currently playing Uncharted 4 for the first time and its totally ridiculous how handily Nadine Ross (prob 120 lb female) beats the hell out of Nathan Drake! She throws him out of windows like she's wonder woman! The Last of Us 2 demo featuring the lesbian angle front and center is further evidence of their new-age-liberalism agenda. I'm all in favor of equal rights and equality but to me that means being honest about each other's differences and appreciating them NOT pretending like biologically men and women are equal in all measures including physical strength. Because that is flatly not true and pretending like it is has the opposite affect and shines a spotlight on the inequality. If a 95 lb girl believes she can go toe to toe fighting a 210 lb male thug she may end up blaming herself for not living up the expectation set by video games and society as a whole. The same concept is well documented in affirmative action.
I'm not sure why it's that far-fetched, considering it even says you've got some sort of power from carrying the broken spear of Leonidas. so even if the size and strength mattered in this case, mystical artifacts make it a game. I'm also not really sure how it breaks immersion, but I can literally never identify with anyone saying such and such was an immersive experience. I'm still hitting buttons on a controller, likely with a HUD, with janky animation and all the other warts that come from technical limitations.I agree on the AC:Odyssey comment. It looks utterly ridiculous to see a petite, attractive woman fighting in armour in times when you had to be physically strong just to lift a sword or spear.
It's really immersion breaking.
I have no problem with female protagonists - look at my avatar - I just hate it when they're shoehorned in.
I cannot tell if you're serious or trolling, I really can't.I think Naughty Dog is obviously pushing an agenda. I'm currently playing Uncharted 4 for the first time and its totally ridiculous how handily Nadine Ross (prob 120 lb female) beats the hell out of Nathan Drake! She throws him out of windows like she's wonder woman! The Last of Us 2 demo featuring the lesbian angle front and center is further evidence of their new-age-liberalism agenda. I'm all in favor of equal rights and equality but to me that means being honest about each other's differences and appreciating them NOT pretending like biologically men and women are equal in all measures including physical strength. Because that is flatly not true and pretending like it is has the opposite affect and shines a spotlight on the inequality. If a 95 lb girl believes she can go toe to toe fighting a 210 lb male thug she may end up blaming herself for not living up the expectation set by video games and society as a whole. The same concept is well documented in affirmative action.
My bad. I forget indie games do their own thing. AAA games are still the same type of characters we've always played as but now they are mostly women.You should play Gone Home, Tacoma, and Life is Strange.
I certainly won't be buying it, I used to be in awe of my great grandfathers cabinet, where he kept all his brothers war memorabilia. He was stabbed through the kneck by the Japanese as a POW and yet survived. I really take issue with the lack of respect and reverence... It's just not appropriate.
Yes always a slim, attractive female lead. Why does no female lead look like Whitney Way Thore?
If that were true, women such as Bryce Dallas Howard & Jennifer Laurence wouldn't be cast as leads in huge Hollywood blockbusters (to name just two). People want beauty (shocking, right?) There is a definition of beauty & this is the complete opposite (the one on the left):
By the way, I'm in France - so your USA obesity remark doesn't apply here.
Wow. Are they seriously saying they don't care if people buy their game or not? Really?
Other than that, it's the same tired response which ignores the original complaint (that particular representation of women doesn't fit the context), replaces it with some made-up affirmations (we don't want women in our games) and then proceeds to accuse the complainers on the basis of those same made-up affirmations. It's a text book straw man.
My bad. I forget indie games do their own thing. AAA games are still the same type of characters we've always played as but now they are mostly women.
I think it is debatable whether
Joel was a villain. Sure, he does prevent the Fireflies from poking around Ellie's brain, and that was something Ellie was resigned to do - but at the same time, there were no guarantees that would have helped with anything. He was in full dad-mode, so at least from his perspective, he was doing the right thing. Now lying to Ellie at the end - that was a dick move. But not something I'd still call villainous.