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[Squirrel Killer]

Actually the fighting word doctrine protects you from that. It's considered a word so vulgar you are being provoked to violence.

Wait... are you claiming that the fighting words exception to the First Amendment protects a person who responds physically from assault charges?

 

[Kadayi]

People who respond with vague answers usually are disingenuous and FOS. You abandoned my questions long ago, bruh. Man up, and just say it with your chest, otherwise, you are just trolling and the cracks are starting to reveal themselves.

The dude is on a perm warning (if you'd paid attention to the thread). I fail to see what benefit it serves to try and provoke him. Let it go.

 

[DeepEnigma]

The dude is on a perm warning (if you'd paid attention to the thread). I fail to see what benefit it serves to try and provoke him. Let it go.

I do not know what that means, but I will take your word for it (and now know what perm warning is).

 

[Tumle]

Not to conitnue to be off topic, but groupies exist, and they line up outside the dressing rooms in hopes the stars will grope them.

And yes, there are also those who also feel pressured to allow that to happen due to the surroundings and status of said person.

Without the full context of every interaction, it is not cut and dry like both sides want to envision or paint.

No I’ll give you that.. but it’s also hard to just acquit him of meaning groupies, when the conversation taking place already include a woman he hasnt met before and how he is going to kiss her, because he just know she wants to..

 

[Hotel Security]

Let's discuss this punch in chicago

Let's not because looking at a single incident or the reaction to said incident implies that those involved represent some majority of people when, in either case, these are extreme examples of human behavior and don't represent the rest of us. Why do we keep taking extreme examples of things and try to pretend they apply to the rest of society when they don't?

Words don't justfy violence. Why is this so difficult for some people?

Because "fighting back" is considered cool and edgy and it's also because those supporting it don't have to deal with the courts and punishments like those who do it will face...and they won't have to face the potential job loss or difficulty to get a job that will happen from having an assault on your record.

In the end, if someone says something racist and you respond with violence, then you are being every bit the animal that the racist thinks you are. You simply justify their perceptions and make them stronger. In the late 60's black people rioted in multiple cities and it set back their movements for years and decades since it just renewed this perception that they're criminals and animals. This is the same thing on a smaller scale. Acting to racism with anger and violence will only get you more and return. It never helps things.

If people stopped reacting to and ignored such slurs then those slurs would lose power. But as long as people continue to flip out, get violent and throw tantrums over simple name-calling, then will always get more of it. They're just giving the racists the reaction they want to see.

But, no, this isn't cool or hip so reacting with anger is cheered and supported, despite the fact that it never works to solve everything. Great job, millenials.

 

[DeepEnigma]

No I’ll give you that.. but it’s also hard to just acquit him of meaning groupies, when the conversation taking place already include a woman he hasnt met before and how he is going to kiss her, because he just know she wants to..

I am not saying don't be skeptical... however, as for the bolded... that phrase fits perfectly with what a groupie is. Someone you do not know, but you are just going to kiss her, because her being there, you know she wants it.

Skeptical is fine, the full outright, he is a sexual predator because he is not in my party of choice or was not my candidate, GUILTY AS I ASSUME! Is well, letting emotion get in the way of reason.

Let's put it this way. If anyone needs any current proof on media biases and where they stand, especially the left leaning MSM, Trudeau was accused by a woman, a journalist, for him groping her without consent at a festival 18 years ago or so... he played dumb with his answers, where is if you knew your ass was innocent, there is no, "I don't remember being inappropriate hurr durr"... that story lasted less than a week before it was brushed aside and "oh it was 20 years ago, blah bla" excuses galore (double standards up the wazoo, even by women, on liberal social media)... yet today, we still talk about Trump's grabbing the pussy comment. Even the news today still mentions quips of it when pushing for something new to stick, lol.

 

[12Goblins]

There is literally 0 philosophical debate about this issue lmao

Some people are just trying to victimize the dude who got punched. He just happened to get punched by a train track. If he got run over by a train he would be in jail for murder. Now he'll get charged for battery. If he hadn't done anything the white dude would get charged for hate speech and disrupting the peace or whatever.. There is nothing to debate here

Personally if a train ran him over I would not shed a tear. Go around yelling racist shit don't be surprised if someone knocks you the fuck out. It's the invisible hand of the free market, also known as evolution

 

[DeepEnigma]

TIL: Violence that can lead to manslaughter at a minimum, is evolution.

 

[12Goblins]

TIL: Violence that can lead to manslaughter at a minimum, is evolution.

Yup. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Nature red in tooth and claw, etc

 

[DeepEnigma]

Yup. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Nature red in tooth and claw, etc

In short, Darwinism.

 

[Texas Pride]

Truth hurts

The illusion you can take anyone & everyone who says something you don't like is sheer ignorance. Allowing others to take control of your life by dictating your actions with words is shameful. You're not to be taken seriously.

 

[BraveOne]

The illusion you can take anyone & everyone who says something you don't like is sheer ignorance. Allowing others to take control of your life by dictating your actions with words is shameful. You're not to be taken seriously.

Yet here you are still replying a day later .

 

[Texas Pride]

Yet here you are still replying a day later .

You responded to my post and I'm responding to you. Not taking you seriously doesn't mean I'm going to ignore your retort. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Violence leads to more violence so it's redundant to attempt to fight racism that way.

 

[Papa]

Again I will tolerate his intolerance. Violence is not the answer

Why the change of heart?

 

[Xiaoki]

After seeing this I cross-referenced some people against the thread about Antifa members getting beat up. Didnt take long.

Violence is not the answer, should not be the answer and all it does is breed more hate.

I could watch antifa get knocked the fuck out all day.

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[Papa]

After seeing this I cross-referenced some people against the thread about Antifa members getting beat up. Didnt take long.

I think there's a difference when Antifa initiates violence and it is returned by someone defending themself.

 

[King of Foxes]

After seeing this I cross-referenced some people against the thread about Antifa members getting beat up. Didnt take long.

Huge difference between someone in a subway yelling nigger and a group of people who wear masks, carry weapons and go out of their way to fight other people.

A for effort though.

 

[recma12]

Because "fighting back" is considered cool and edgy and it's also because those supporting it don't have to deal with the courts and punishments like those who do it will face...and they won't have to face the potential job loss or difficulty to get a job that will happen from having an assault on your record.

In the end, if someone says something racist and you respond with violence, then you are being every bit the animal that the racist thinks you are. You simply justify their perceptions and make them stronger. In the late 60's black people rioted in multiple cities and it set back their movements for years and decades since it just renewed this perception that they're criminals and animals. This is the same thing on a smaller scale. Acting to racism with anger and violence will only get you more and return. It never helps things.

If people stopped reacting to and ignored such slurs then those slurs would lose power. But as long as people continue to flip out, get violent and throw tantrums over simple name-calling, then will always get more of it. They're just giving the racists the reaction they want to see.

But, no, this isn't cool or hip so reacting with anger is cheered and supported, despite the fact that it never works to solve everything. Great job, millenials.

Thanks for this post.

 

[Cauliflower of Love]

Using drake clapping gif to respond to that post.

Fucking wow.

 

[Vicetrailia]

The N-Word slur has been around a few hundred years. Us white people will never get tired of it, all because people react to it. It's like recycling something into a shiny new toy, or planting a seed that grows and fertilizes instantly.

 

[BraveOne]

Why the change of heart?

I forgot the /s

 

[BraveOne]

After seeing this I cross-referenced some people against the thread about Antifa members getting beat up. Didnt take long.

It's almost amazing when a black man knocks out a racist they defend the racist, when a racist knocks out a protester they defend the racist using the cover of free speech as a pivot point to divert the conversation.

 

[Dunki]

and heterosexuality presumably?

After seeing this I cross-referenced some people against the thread about Antifa members getting beat up. Didnt take long.

The whole problem with this is that this antifa member started a violent attack and what the other guy did with one punch was self defense. After the punch he walked away. That is the huge difference here.

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[BraveOne]

The whole problem with this is that this antifa member started a violent attack and what the other guy did with one punch was self defense. After the punch he walked away. That is the huge difference here.

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Self defense you say

The man who was knocked out was seen attempting to take a swing at Nordean seconds before he was hit. In the moments before the face off, Nordean and two others appeared to have knocked another man to the ground

 

[Dunki]

Self defense you say

he took a swing should they have waited? Again he started the attack

 

[BraveOne]

he took a swing should they have waited? Again he started the attack

Watch the full video before he punches him .. him and another man knock a guy to the ground .. then the Antifa member goes for the swing , Nordean was already engaged in group violence moments before then. So let's not pretend like his a saint who was just minding his own business when they took a swing at him. Why did he not walk away after he knocked down the first guy. They went looking for a fight on both sides .

 

[ilfait]

Did anyone transcribe it? Struggling to make it out.

 

[Vicetrailia]

Proud boys are anti-antifa and apart of gang initiation is getting in a fist-fight with antifa protestor.

 

[Dunki]

Watch the full video before he punches him .. him and another man knock a guy to the ground .. then the Antifa member goes for the swing , Nordean was already engaged in group violence moments before then. So let's not pretend like his a saint who was just minding his own business when they took a swing at him. Why did he not walk away after he knocked down the first guy. They went looking for a fight on both sides .

I am not saying he is a saint and again I detest violence. What I saw from Portland that Antifa started the whole thing and this scene was already during the escalation and a brawl. It is a total different situation Yes both were seeking the fight it is not comparable to this situation.
So yes lets not call it self defense but a stupid brawl both are equally guilty of?

 

[Papa]

I forgot the /s

Unlike

 

[BraveOne]

I am not saying he is a saint and again I detest violence. What I saw from Portland that Antifa started the whole thing and this scene was already during the escalation and a brawl. It is a total different situation Yes both were seeking the fight it is not comparable to this situation.
So yes lets not call it self defense but a stupid brawl both are equally guilty of?

Agreed

 

[Xiaoki]

Huge difference between someone in a subway yelling nigger and a group of people who wear masks, carry weapons and go out of their way to fight other people.

A for effort though.

E for from you and your friends.

The content of the videos and what happened in them has absolutely no bearing here.

You made a post condoning violence in one post and another post condemning violence.

You got caught making 2 completely contradictory posts so own up to that and your biases instead of trying to dance around it.

 

[Panda1]

In the end, if someone says something racist and you respond with violence, then you are being every bit the animal that the racist thinks you are.

 

[synchronicity]

Hatred and violence only perpetuate hatred and violence. The chain can only be broken by forgiveness, no matter how seemingly unjust or painful.

 

[King of Foxes]

E for from you and your friends.

The content of the videos and what happened in them has absolutely no bearing here.

You made a post condoning violence in one post and another post condemning violence.

You got caught making 2 completely contradictory posts so own up to that and your biases instead of trying to dance around it.

I didnt get caught doing anything actually.

If you get up in the morning, get dressed, grab a weapon and go out with the intent to cause violence but then get your ass handed to you then I will always laugh. Antifa, proud boy, football hooligan, whoever.

Going out to cause violence DOES breed more violence. In the case of antifa is funny because they failed at it.

I'm not here cheering on the racist guy but there is a VAST difference between shouting racist shit and being part of an organised group who goes out to fight. (and then loses)

Violence should never be the answer was my first post and it can be easily applied to the antifa because violence breeds violence (which that antifa found out)

 

[Xiaoki]

Violence should never be the answer was my first post and it can be easily applied to the antifa because violence breeds violence (which that antifa found out)

If you truly think that violence should NEVER be the answer and that it can be applied to Antifa then why did you say this:

I could watch antifa get knocked the fuck out all day.

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Because you obviously think that violence is the answer when it comes to Antifa.

 

[King of Foxes]

You're being obtuse.

I explained my position on people who go out seeking violence first and then have violence used against them.

 

[mr2xxx]

Talk shit, get hit has been part of man code since day 1. Don’t start none, won’t be none. If a man goes up to a random women and calls her a fat cunt, would anyone be mad if the boyfriend knocked the guy out? No, but when it’s some racist everyone somehow has empathy for the racist. You want to bring that hateful energy, don’t be mad when you are met with that and more.

 

[KevinKeene]

Talk shit, get hit has been part of man code since day 1. Don’t start none, won’t be none. If a man goes up to a random women and calls her a fat cunt, would anyone be mad if the boyfriend knocked the guy out? No, but when it’s some racist everyone somehow has empathy for the racist. You want to bring that hateful energy, don’t be mad when you are met with that and more.

What if a girl calls me a 'fat cunt', do I get to knock her out? You make up conveni scenarios that fit your ignorance .

Also LOL @ 'man code'

 

[TrainedRage]

Gotta live up to that overly physical and violent stereotype.

 

[mr2xxx]

What if a girl calls me a 'fat cunt', do I get to knock her out? You make up conveni scenarios that fit your ignorance .

Also LOL @ 'man code'

Different standards for men and women. That’s the world we live in, I don’t make the rules. If you want to put hands on a women by all means, but don’t be surprised if the reaction is different than a man defending his girl.

 

[highrider]

I think if you’re going to be someone that handles things physically, you don’t get to pick and choose the weak. All these guys talking tough about knocking out racists aren’t confronting true physical threats. They aren’t calling out the swole white dude with prison ink, they look the other way. Yet to see any of these videos where the racist wasn’t old, drunk, crazy or all of the above.

 

[KevinKeene]

Different standards for men and women. That’s the world we live in, I don’t make the rules. If you want to put hands on a women by all means, but don’t be surprised if the reaction is different than a man defending his girl.

Yes, you do.
There is no law that says 'you nay punch a guy, but not a girl'. The law says 'you mustn't punch anyone'.
So it's you who chooses to perpetuate a sexist world.

Btw I'm not promoting punching women. I'm promoting not to punch anyone.

 

[Papa]

If you truly think that violence should NEVER be the answer and that it can be applied to Antifa then why did you say this:

Because you obviously think that violence is the answer when it comes to Antifa.

You’re just carrying on with the same point that he’s already refuted. There are self defense laws for a reason. They do not apply to words.

 

[Papa]

Different standards for men and women. That’s the world we live in, I don’t make the rules. If you want to put hands on a women by all means, but don’t be surprised if the reaction is different than a man defending his girl.

Then why don’t feminists campaign for equality in this area?

I know the answer; it’s a rhetorical question.

 

[Tesseract]

violence begets violence, and free speech should have no limits outside of the rare 'i've got a bomb' thought experiment brigade.

that's the price of freedom in the united states, sometimes you're gonna feel offended. woe is you.

 

[mr2xxx]

Yes, you do.
There is no law that says 'you nay punch a guy, but not a girl'. The law says 'you mustn't punch anyone'.
So it's you who chooses to perpetuate a sexist world.

Btw I'm not promoting punching women. I'm promoting not to punch anyone.

Thanks for crowning me King but I’m just one vote. And I’m just promoting not being a racist asshole. If you can’t take the train without being racist why should I care about your health? And promoting a sexist world? I’m just aware we live in one. I’d like to improve things for women but more women being punched isn’t the place I’m gonna start

 

[KevinKeene]

Thanks for crowning me King but I’m just one vote. And I’m just promoting not being a racist asshole. If you can’t take the train without being racist why should I care about your health? And promoting a sexist world? I’m just aware we live in one. I’d like to improve things for women but more women being punched isn’t the place I’m gonna start

Did you read my posting?

Wth ...

 

[Papa]

I am not saying don't be skeptical... however, as for the bolded... that phrase fits perfectly with what a groupie is. Someone you do not know, but you are just going to kiss her, because her being there, you know she wants it.

Skeptical is fine, the full outright, he is a sexual predator because he is not in my party of choice or was not my candidate, GUILTY AS I ASSUME! Is well, letting emotion get in the way of reason.

Let's put it this way. If anyone needs any current proof on media biases and where they stand, especially the left leaning MSM, Trudeau was accused by a woman, a journalist, for him groping her without consent at a festival 18 years ago or so... he played dumb with his answers, where is if you knew your ass was innocent, there is no, "I don't remember being inappropriate hurr durr"... that story lasted less than a week before it was brushed aside and "oh it was 20 years ago, blah bla" excuses galore (double standards up the wazoo, even by women, on liberal social media)... yet today, we still talk about Trump's grabbing the pussy comment. Even the news today still mentions quips of it when pushing for something new to stick, lol.

As far as I can tell, that's the core of the issue for most of us who refuse to join the outrage brigade: to us, double standards and hypocrisy are more egregious than anything else. I don't care what your purported end goal is, don't lie to me.

 

[Papa]

Thanks for crowning me King but I’m just one vote. And I’m just promoting not being a racist asshole. If you can’t take the train without being racist why should I care about your health? And promoting a sexist world? I’m just aware we live in one. I’d like to improve things for women but more women being punched isn’t the place I’m gonna start

Because it shows you lack principles. If you want to change the world, look in your own backyard first.