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[evanft]

I can't remember the last time a PC game required anything other than installing from Steam and pressing play, except when I wanted to play an old Splinter Cell in HD with some graphical updates, but those weren't necessarily needed to play the game.

The PS4 has been on an absolute tear with the exclusives this gen. The number of quality titles available only on that platform really is something else, and pretty much knocks out any advantage Xbox may have with hardware, gamepass, or backwards compatibility. Thinking of this year alone, Sony has had Detroit, God of War, and Shadow of the Colossus. Those are three top tier exclusives that I loved, and I'd put each one of them above everything I have for the Xbone. That's just me, though. Tastes vary, of course.

I mean, playing some old games is cool, especially when they can be played in higher resolutions, but shelling out $400-$500 for the privilege (if you want 360 games in 4K) but then not having really having anything else to look forward to besides nicer versions of multiplats, seems like a bit of a non-starter to me.

 

[Thiagosc777]

Sony has had Detroit, God of War, and Shadow of the Colossus. ....Tastes vary, of course.

They do vary a lot, because I played all of them and I can't see how anyone can claim anything like you are saying. Detroit is your average David Cage game, i.e., an interactive story and not an actual game. God of War butchered a good franchise and Shadow of the Colossus is a remaster, which is strange for someone who considers playing old games a "non-starter".

So old games are good when they are on Playstation and not when they are on Xbox?

 

[AlexxKidd]

They do vary a lot, because I played all of them and I can't see how anyone can claim anything like you are saying. Detroit is your average David Cage game, i.e., an interactive story and not an actual game. God of War butchered a good franchise and Shadow of the Colossus is a remaster, which is strange for someone who considers playing old games a "non-starter".

So old games are good when they are on Playstation and not when they are on Xbox?

Not going to address your opinions of Detroit and God of War, you're entitled to your opinion.

But Shadow of the Colossus is a remake, not a remaster. Bluepoint remade all the game's assets from the ground up.

 

[phil_t98]

Both consoles have their strengths and both have their weakness, some on here are saying there is no reason to have an xbox if you have a PC, would there be any reason to have a PS4 if you had a PC? yes there is exclusive games but its all down to taste, the has more than the fair share of games you only play on pc. Its all down to taste really, like I said earlier in this thread I don't fancy having a PC in my living room and thats my taste personaly

 

[phil_t98]

Not going to address your opinions of Detroit and God of War, you're entitled to your opinion.

But Shadow of the Colossus is a remake, not a remaster. Bluepoint remade all the game's assets from the ground up.

Same game though so kinda the same aint it

 

[BANGS]

Bluepoint remade all the game's assets from the ground up.

All the graphical assets... the skeleton of the game is a slightly modified version of the original...

 

[AlexxKidd]

Same game though so kinda the same aint it

All the graphical assets... the skeleton of the game is a slightly modified version of the original...

Right, that was the goal. To keep the game/gameplay as close to the original as possible. That said that doesn't mean it's not a remake, they literally remade it. A remaster is what Bluepoint did with the PlayStation 3 version. The PlayStation 4 version is a remake.

 

[octiny]

The number of quality titles available only on that platform really is something else, and pretty much knocks out any advantage Xbox may have with hardware, gamepass, or backwards compatibility.

Just like to point out none of those are facts and equate to a subjective opinion on what matters most to someone.

The only franchise exclusive on the PS4 I'm interested is Uncharted. So personally I didn't give up much once One X came out (sold my Pro). Having 4K games, the best 3rd party games, uhd player, game pass & BC take the cake any day of the week for me.

The irony of it too, as I have a VW365ES Sony 4K projector in my HT setup & use a MS console to take advantage of it because of Sony's reluctance not to include a UHD player until PS5.

 

[BANGS]

Right, that was the goal. To keep the game/gameplay as close to the original as possible. That said that doesn't mean it's not a remake, they literally remade it. A remaster is what Bluepoint did with the PlayStation 3 version. The PlayStation 4 version is a remake.

Oh no I get that, I'm just saying...

honestly I don't even know what my point is... carry on...

Just like to point out none of those are facts and equate to a subjective opinion on what matters most to someone.

The only franchise exclusive on the PS4 I'm interested is Uncharted.

Just like to point out that subjectively, some people just have horrible taste in games...

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Just like to point out none of those are facts and equate to a subjective opinion on what matters most to someone.

The only franchise exclusive on the PS4 I'm interested is Uncharted. So personally I didn't give up much once One X came out (sold my Pro). Having 4K games, the best 3rd party games, uhd player, game pass & BC take the cake any day of the week for me.

The irony of it too, as I have a VW365ES Sony 4K projector in my HT setup & use a MS console to take advantage of it because of Sony's reluctance not to include a UHD player until PS5.

The irony is that next gen starts next year.

 

[octiny]

The irony is that next gen starts next year.

And by that time I will have upgraded my HT setup yet again, and will again buy the most powerful console. Be it XBox 2 or PS5. Though I have an inkling MS is going to come out firing on all cylnders from the get go so that's where I'll most likely end up. We'll see!

Just like to point out that subjectively, some people just have horrible taste in games...

Cool story bro, tell me more?

 

[Toe-Knee]

But the point is its selling quite well, just not selling Sony numbers that's all. Estimates are somewhere between 30-35 mill or maybe higher. is that a failure? people are buying them still

No but its only 3x the amount the dreamcast sold in its limited time on the market with a smaller gaming population.

But people get too caught up on numbers. I've never understood it just play the games!

 

[TheWatcher]

Wow, I only read the quotes in the OP till now. Jim went in, yet all he said was true though. XBONEX debuted with Super Lucky Tales, SLT for crying out loud and they're basically just cycling the same franchises. At least PD tried something new with GT and Sony always has new franchises every gen, and for the old franchises, they mix it up,..... but Forza, Halo and Gears this gen are nothing revolutionary, just more subpar stories and nothing that's transforming these old franchises past the 360 days.....perhaps, just more lootboxes, dlc and microstransactions....

Then you round out their library with SOD2, SOT, Recore, QB, SO etc.....it's just not a great library if you want to invest in a second console. The best second console besides a PS4 is a (Couch PC, Steam BPM rig). You can play all these games at 4k 60fps unlike the XBONEX, like recore, slt etc at max quality...with much better framerates, higher AF and better settings on all the other titles... like QB etc...There's no need for an XBONEX if you have a mid gen PC GPU, because you can get all of MS's games and play it better there. I don't know how hard this is to understand. MS says it has the most powerful console, but since WINDOWS/XBOX is now one platform, the best place to play MS games is on Windows, without the slow OS, the wifi issues and all the hard resets one would have to do on XBONEX hardware. Perhaps now, it may be an ample time to just get an AMD GPU with windows, and you're set, since their GPU's are said the be the most stable by and large atm....


So in other words, you esteem that the best games will be multiplat based on what YOU like and are looking forward to, instead of the games that will be unique, not annual franchises for the most part, games will be rated the best and sell tonnes to anticipating gamers????

Your personal preference has nothing to do with the market and the games that will impact a shift in what hardware is succeeding or will continue to succeed in the next two years. What Jim is talking about..... is what else do I play, when I want to take a break from the COD's, the BF's, the fortnites, in essence the multiplat games, what quality experiences are there besides. The experience of COD, BF, Farcry is the same 60fps or 30fps on PRO or XBONEX, you're not having a different experience on either console, minus more players on PS. Not even the 30+ million XBOX ONE owners have lapped up the XBONEX in droves, it's a miniscule figure towards the sum of total XBOX ONE owners this gen (maybe 3-5%) if you're optimistic. How is such a small percentage of XBONEX players from 30 million consoles to turn the tide for XBOX in the vein of "it plays better there", where it mostly has a higher resolution; In essense, it's not truthful, it's not realistic and it's not happening......

The truth is this, as a guy who has a PS4 and PC, you look at XBONEX and say...$500.00 for XBONEX????..but I bought a GPU ages ago, when you could have had a Zotac GTX 1070 for $289 on Amazon, some will say, I was able to get a 580 at MSRP ages ago and it's in my PC, my GTX 1060 I got for $200 ages ago is still in my system, I can play all these MS games on that, why spend $500.00....... Some even got the Vega 56 at MSRP at $400.00. The point is, there are a lot of decent rigs out there that performs better than XBONEX...... and you can never really had to upgrade your CPU when you bought them, any old i3/i5 would be good enough with those GPU's, the only thing you did was you got a good GPU deal and you dug in...

So yes, this is a problem for MS and not so much SONY because Sony has UC, GOW, Detroit, Infamous, GT, Until Dawn, Gravity Rush, SFV and all the good fighters that's not dead online, Yakuza, tonnes of Japanese exclusives. Square's E3 was basically a pre-cursor/extension to Sony's showcase and the list goes on and on.....and as for your statement, before PS5 arrives, they have; TLOU2, Tsushima, Spiderman, Days Gone, Dreams, Concrete Genie, Lost Soul Aside, Bluepoint Game and a tonne more are coming, including lots of PC/PS4 only titles. I could name them, but I think I've listed enough, you can do your own research, as there are many exclusive titles still which will further solidify ownership or demand for a piece of PS4 kit......

Well, the place I'm standing, I've never seen a more consumer friendly piece of kit than PS4......Shareplay, Sharing games with friends, Game pics and recording on day 1, PS live and streaming on day 1, Free 2 Play is actually Free to play, no paywall. Funny enough, the game I've played the most this gen, almost regularly is crossplay on PS4 (SFV) and there are so many more on PS4, I mean truckloads.....So I personally, have a tonne of crossplay games, Guilty Gear, Blaze Blue etc...and there are much more coming too..

Take a look at this list of crossplay games...PS4 is the king of crossplay at the minute, by a huge margin too....Consumer friendly??... that it is

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_that_support_cross-platform_play

Seriously though are you trying to convince me or yourself? Crossplay is a nice option to have, but I would personally prefer to play my older games (some of which are enhanced to 4K). This whole idea that 'bc' only means the console lacks current generation games is beyond stupid. In between Just Cause 3 (Xbox One X), God of War (PS4), and AC: Origins (Xbox One X) I have been playing Call of Duty MW 3 and Vanquish. I am convinced some of you aren't truly gamers, just fanboy keyboard warriors that need to type a mountain of text about overblown features and games that have yet to come out to validate their purchase. Some of us like to play good games, no matter how old they are simply because we are sick and tired of the current cookie cutter garbage pouring out. If PS4 was BC you would be singing its praises. I mean we have people up top saying playing your old games is 'moot' but then list re-masters on the PS4 as must plays.

 

[TheWatcher]

The X1 has the largest game library of all.

According to these guys that 'doesn't count' because the Playstation 4 has fantastic new exclusives like interactive movie game 5 and walking/climbing simulator 8. Also Sony's re-masters aren't re-masters because they have been rebuilt from the ground up or something.

 

[badboyyy]

If you see just wider what casual people buying and playing, then you see that consoles exclusives sells consoles. If you wanna play Mario, then you pick a Switch, if you wanna play God of War then you pick a PS4. For casual gamer bc is nothing, he wanna play new games, not old games. Yeah game pass is good for XBOX, for new people, but in future view if game pass is really will be good? Just shouting we have powerful console its mean nothing if you dont have great games portfolio, and i love how xbox fanatics just shouting "ye we have the best console" but all facts just telling different story.

 

[nowhat]

According to these guys that 'doesn't count' because the Playstation 4 has fantastic new exclusives like interactive movie game 5 and walking/climbing simulator 8. Also Sony's re-masters aren't re-masters because they have been rebuilt from the ground up or something.

If we're going to go there, Xbox has Halo, Forza and Gears. Sure we had the massive E3 press a little while back - there we got Halo (coming whenever), Forza, and three Gears - I'm sure all here were just itching to get their hands on a mobile Gears game! But as far as variety goes, MS isn't exactly in the position to criticize Sony.

 

[TheWatcher]

If we're going to go there, Xbox has Halo, Forza and Gears. Sure we had the massive E3 press a little while back - there we got Halo (coming whenever), Forza, and three Gears - I'm sure all here were just itching to get their hands on a mobile Gears game! But as far as variety goes, MS isn't exactly in the position to criticize Sony.

This gen as a whole has been mediocre. I have my qualms with both consoles.

 

[Danjin44]

This gen as a whole has been mediocre. I have my qualms with both consoles.

speak for yourself, in 2017 we got bunch great games both Japanese and western and in 2018 already we got God of War and I'm loving Octopath and I still have DQXI and VC4 to look forward to.

 

[thelastword]

I find this funny. PS4 supposedly sold around 80 million. Why isn't each Sony exclusive selling like 40 million or more? Because the only people who care about "exclusives" are console warriors.

Most people buy consoles to play Call of Duty, Fifa, Fortnite, etc.

Because 80 million PS4 players are not drones, they're different people who love different types of games....They're 80 million strong primarily because there are exclusives catering to everybody and every taste....

What? No normal person cares about making something "look better", just the objective truth. I can play more games on the X1, that's a fact. And those aren't small indie titles, they are major AAA releases.

Earlier this year I replayed all the Mass Effect games (the good ones = not Andromeda) from beginning to end. Can you do the same on the PS4?

Wrong, and you should not even argue this....PS4 has much more games than XBOX, so many games are not even releasing on XBOX. A million Japanese games, much more exclusives from Sony first party, much more third party exclusives. Over 600 games on PSNOW, 100's of games on VR, a boatload of PC/PS4 only titles. You are just wrong.

And no one cares about Mass Effect a million years later, I have them on PS3, I have them on Origin (where I can play at 60fps at 4k)....., I think I have the first two on Steam as well. I even forgot I had this on so many platforms, because I have so many new games to play this generation, that playing ancient games is not a priority. For people to believe or even suggest they bought an XBONEX to play Masseffect at sub 30fps is not fooling anyone, going back to such a game in 2018 with dips to 22fps, when any potatoe can run this at 60fps at 1440p is no reason to buy an XBONEX..

Seriously though are you trying to convince me or yourself? Crossplay is a nice option to have, but I would personally prefer to play my older games (some of which are enhanced to 4K). This whole idea that 'bc' only means the console lacks current generation games is beyond stupid. In between Just Cause 3 (Xbox One X), God of War (PS4), and AC: Origins (Xbox One X) I have been playing Call of Duty MW 3 and Vanquish. I am convinced some of you aren't truly gamers, just fanboy keyboard warriors that need to type a mountain of text about overblown features and games that have yet to come out to validate their purchase. Some of us like to play good games, no matter how old they are simply because we are sick and tired of the current cookie cutter garbage pouring out. If PS4 was BC you would be singing its praises. I mean we have people up top saying playing your old games is 'moot' but then list re-masters on the PS4 as must plays.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything, the proof is in the pudding. Sony is the Crossplay King at the moment, facts don't lie, so you can convince yourself of whatever you need to, outside of the facts.....Where is PUBG Crossplay on XBONEX+PC?.... Sony does not have that game, who are they blaming for this then????

Also, research has been done on BC, no one cares barring a vocal few, and people generally buy new consoles for new experiences, tailored to the new console spec. So saying you're playing old games is meaningless, because I can play old games on other platforms too, and on PC at a much better clip and rez, it doesn't make XBONEX stand out in any way, especially if the games are the same subpar framerates with no remake quality therein.

You know what people are willing to play or care for, remakes of old games (crash cant stop selling, sotc, RE2 remake (everyone is stoked), just as they are for ff7 and spyro), and if persons really want to invest in ancient games otherwise, they will play them cranked up at 60fps on potatoe PC's with mods even, rather than play Oblivion at sub 30fps with dips to 21fps in 2018...or Fallout 3 at sub 30fps framerates with judder, because clearly, there's no where else I could play this ... I mean the XBONEX is such value, that I will suffer these games with such performance because it doesn't have any new and compelling new gen content...So yes, it's fine if you wish to reinvest 100's of hours into these old games at these subpar framerates and call all new gen games crap, it's your prerogative really....And if you're so willing to defend this, then Sterling's point is made, because yeah, I'm just frothing to get an XBONEX due to BC.....I don't care for new games, no wonder XBONEX is lighting the charts on fire!...At the end of the day, you guys will be the death knell for the XBOX brand for giving MS a false sense of security.....

 

[Foxbat]

If we're going to go there, Xbox has Halo, Forza and Gears. Sure we had the massive E3 press a little while back - there we got Halo (coming whenever), Forza, and three Gears - I'm sure all here were just itching to get their hands on a mobile Gears game! But as far as variety goes, MS isn't exactly in the position to criticize Sony.

I would say they kinda do. MS also has CD3, and Ori 2 coming out. Neither Halo, Gears, Forza, Ori, or CD3 consists of mostly hiding in bushes and climbing. Pretty much all the Sony upcoming exclusives consist of one of those if not both. As soon as Kojima gets around to adding bushes to that barren landscape in DS, you can bet that it'll have bush hiding as well.

If we're going all in on console warz here... Mine as well jump in. Lol

 

[phil_t98]

No but its only 3x the amount the dreamcast sold in its limited time on the market with a smaller gaming population.

But people get too caught up on numbers. I've never understood it just play the games!

exactly, Microsoft are still producing games for the xbox and the multiplat developers are producing games for it so there is obviously enough market share for them to do that

 

[Three]

Now add another 500+ 360 games and 32 OG Xbox games.

Can you play the entire Assassin's Creed series on PS4? Or Mass Effect? Or Dead Space? Or Dragon Age? The X1 has more games by a wide margin.

There are currently 494 BC titles so not sure where 500+ comes from. A lot of those are repeated in the XB1 library too because they have rereleases there so you're counting them twice. Thirdly people buy a console to play games on that console not usually old games from another console. When the PS3 came out nobody was thinking "hey I've got the biggest library of games ever on any console", no, they were saying PS3 has no games. Counting BC games as an XB1 library of games makes sense if that person didn't own the previous console and likes old games. If not it's pretty disingenious to try and say it has the biggest library of games.

 

[Damien Crowley]

Man, feels like the 90s all over again.. "Sony earns harder cash than MicroSOFT" - "M$ Games are more colorful than all those bush hiding experiences"... Which one of them has the Blast Processing?

 

[TheWatcher]

I find it funny that people need to hawk for Sony in a thread that is negative for the Xbox One and Microsoft in general.

Even pointing out some of the miniscule advantages of the Xbox seems to drew the ire of Sony fans that respond with game lists and 'new' online features.

Last generation I fet the PS3 was great value, especially with full PS1 and PS2 BC models and completely free online play. This gen Sony slaps a fee on the same online service and calls it a day.

Don't even get me started on Don Matrick and the Xbox One reveal. It took three years for the Xbox division to redeem itself. I was also not happy with the treatment of Halo in the MCC, but recognize at least that sometime later, 343 is going to update the game. I am also not of a fan of Micrsoft's online scheme and have resented them since its implementation in 2003. Xbox Live, although unquestionably a success, was the a precursor to the nickel and diming era of game that lead directly to loot boxes and online/season passes. As a gaming medium I find it ore reliable than PSN based on my experiences playing the MW series.

For some us, the amount of consoles sold is irrelevant. Some of us want a powerful machine that can play new and old games that offer a variety of single and multiplayer experiences. Some of us don't care about free to play games, nor do we want their mechanics seeping into the types of games we love. I can't express how many times I lost interest in a game because the grinding and looting felt out of place and was a chore to complete. That is why we sometimes prefer to play our older games, because even though they may not rendered in a shiny new coat of pixels, it is easy to do and provides bang for your buck.

You can bang on about new games all you want, but sometimes a developer creates a game so good or a feature so addictive that it is never replicated. For me, a game like Modern Warfare 3 has a far superior Survival mechanic than what Advanced Warfare has to offer.

With digital libraries becoming even more prominent this generation there is no wuestion that BC should be a vital component of both consoles, otherwise we will be stuck with a plethora of re releases for the first 3 years of the next console generation as well.

 

[Thiagosc777]

There are currently 494 BC titles so not sure where 500+ comes from.

Wow, you got me there, mate. Such a massive difference! Haha. They add games every week.

Thirdly people buy a console to play games on that console not usually old games from another console.

Shadow of the Colossus? Crash Bandicoot? Why does the PS4 have so many remasters? People are not only willing to play old games, they will even pay for the privilege. If that wasn't true, then remasters wouldn't exist.

If not it's pretty disingenious to try and say it has the biggest library of games.

But Shadow of the Colossus count?

 

[Thiagosc777]

lso, research has been done on BC, no one cares barring a vocal few, and people generally buy new consoles for new experiences

Then why do remasters exist?

 

[evanft]

They do vary a lot, because I played all of them and I can't see how anyone can claim anything like you are saying. Detroit is your average David Cage game, i.e., an interactive story and not an actual game. God of War butchered a good franchise and Shadow of the Colossus is a remaster, which is strange for someone who considers playing old games a "non-starter".

So old games are good when they are on Playstation and not when they are on Xbox?

As others have pointed out, SOTC was a top-to-bottom remake of the original with massively overhauled graphical assets and tweaks to the controls/gameplay to make it feel more like a modern game. It wasn't an old game that was simply made playable on the newer hardware through BC.

Just like to point out none of those are facts and equate to a subjective opinion on what matters most to someone.

The only franchise exclusive on the PS4 I'm interested is Uncharted. So personally I didn't give up much once One X came out (sold my Pro). Having 4K games, the best 3rd party games, uhd player, game pass & BC take the cake any day of the week for me.

The irony of it too, as I have a VW365ES Sony 4K projector in my HT setup & use a MS console to take advantage of it because of Sony's reluctance not to include a UHD player until PS5.

Practically everything in this thread, or really any discussion about these consoles/games, is going to come down to subjective opinion vs. subjective opinion. The only way it wouldn't is if you wanted to compare number of games, which doesn't necessarily reflect the actual quality of those games so then you're back to opnion vs. opinion.

 

[BANGS]

Also, research has been done on BC, no one cares barring a vocal few, and people generally buy new consoles for new experiences

The latter is true, the former is not. BC is very important to alot of end users. You are correct people don't buy consoles to play old games, they generally but new consoles for new games, but the ability to play old games is very important to many gamers...

 

[evanft]

are correct people don't buy consoles to play old games, they generally but new consoles for new games, but the ability to play old games is very important to many gamers...

Is there solid data on this? I've seen claims on opposite ends of the spectrum but no one provides really solid numbers for the number of people who actually utilize the feature. I think MS said that XXX million hours of 360 games had been played or something, but that's all I can recall.

 

[DonF]

I think MS said that XXX million hours of 360 games had been played or something, but that's all I can recall.

That's literally the BS metric that MS uses when things are not looking good. Remember when they switched from monthly sales to active users and such? They show the best and highest possible number to mislead.

Here is an article 2017 that states that 1.5% percent of xbox one owners played a hell lot of hours of BC games.

 

[Thiagosc777]

Remember when they switched from monthly sales to active users and such?

That's engagement. Modern platforms make money by selling stuff online. The more people using and buying stuff, the better. A player that plays everyday and buys games/movies online is more valuable than a player that buys it for one game and never touches it again. That's why "active users" is important.

 

[JaffeLion]

That's literally the BS metric that MS uses when things are not looking good. Remember when they switched from monthly sales to active users and such? They show the best and highest possible number to mislead.

Here is an article 2017 that states that 1.5% percent of xbox one owners played a hell lot of hours of BC games.

lol bullshit article: "[Update: Further information from Microsoft has led us to correct and amend significant portions of the analysis in this piece related to undercounting of usage data. Please read our full explanation of these corrections.]"

 

[DonF]

That's engagement. Modern platforms make money by selling stuff online. The more people using and buying stuff, the better. A player that plays everyday and buys games/movies online is more valuable than a player that buys it for one game and never touches it again. That's why "active users" is important.

Play time ≠ money spent. Come on, dude.

 

[DonF]

lol bullshit article: "[Update: Further information from Microsoft has led us to correct and amend significant portions of the analysis in this piece related to undercounting of usage data. Please read our full explanation of these corrections.]"

Yeah, I read that. Its more PR/ damage control. It makes sense, yet its clear that if ARS overshot the results, they wouldn't be complaining, and if that 1.5% is 1000% wrong, it would still be a 15% of people using the feature.

 

[Thiagosc777]

Play time ≠ money spent. Come on, dude.

The information about how much MS make is public. They are a publicly traded company, they need to release it to investors. Just pointing that out, because I am a gamer and not a shareholder. But if you want, you can look it up.

 

[VulcanRaven]

They really could have better exclusives. Quantum Break and Cuphead are the only ones that I really want to play at some point. They are on PC so I probably play them on that.

 

[BANGS]

Here is an article 2017 that states that 1.5% percent of xbox one owners played a hell lot of hours of BC games.

I'm not sure if I'm reading the data wrong, but it looks more like it's stating that ALL xbox owners spent an average of 1.5% of their time playing BC games. That's pretty significant, especially when you consider they're allotting for a lot of non-gaming activities on that chart such as netflix and such which people leaving running all night at times...

If we read the data the way you suggest, then it's basically saying only half of xbox owners play a hell lot of hours of games in general... so unless you're arguing that xbox is a youtube/netflix box then I think you're reading it wrong...

 

[DonF]

The information about how much MS make is public. They are a publicly traded company, they need to release it to investors. Just pointing that out, because I am a gamer and not a shareholder. But if you want, you can look it up.

Oh of course, but what does that have to do with anything?

 

[Thiagosc777]

Oh of course, but what does that have to do with anything?

Play time ≠ money spent. Come on, dude.

 

[DonF]

I'm not sure if I'm reading the data wrong, but it looks more like it's stating that ALL xbox owners spent an average of 1.5% of their time playing BC games. That's pretty significant, especially when you consider they're allotting for a lot of non-gaming activities on that chart such as netflix and such which people leaving running all night at times...

If we read the data the way you suggest, then it's basically saying only half of xbox owners play a hell lot of hours of games in general... so unless you're arguing that xbox is a youtube/netflix box then I think you're reading it wrong...

I disagree with 1.5% being pretty significant. And funny that you mention xbox being a netflix machine, cause if those statistics include 360 owners, thats exactly what my 360 is.

 

[DonF]

I don't want to derail anymore, but do they get paid for every second someone has their xbox on? Its an after the fact metric.

 

[Thiagosc777]

I don't want to derail anymore, but do they get paid for every second someone has their xbox on? Its an after the fact metric.

What? Who cares? What matters is the result in the end of the quarter! Hahaha. That's what shareholders care about. If you are so interest in their numbers, you can look them up.

 

[DonF]

What? Who cares? What matters is the result in the end of the quarter! Hahaha. That's what shareholders care about. If you are so interest in their numbers, you can look them up.

I'm actually not interested at all. I would be in a finance forum if I was really interested. I actually care for the industry as a whole, that way we get better games, devs go for more risky/niche games and such, we get innovation.

 

[VulcanRaven]

I find this funny. PS4 supposedly sold around 80 million. Why isn't each Sony exclusive selling like 40 million or more? Because the only people who care about "exclusives" are console warriors.

Most people buy consoles to play Call of Duty, Fifa, Fortnite, etc.

I don't think those are selling 40 million either.

 

[BANGS]

I don't want to derail anymore, but do they get paid for every second someone has their xbox on? Its an after the fact metric.

No, they get paid every time someone purchases an xbox and the backwards compatible software that may have inclined them to do so...

 

[Three]

Wow, you got me there, mate. Such a massive difference! Haha. They add games every week.
Shadow of the Colossus? Crash Bandicoot? Why does the PS4 have so many remasters? People are not only willing to play old games, they will even pay for the privilege. If that wasn't true, then remasters wouldn't exist.
But Shadow of the Colossus count?

So that they can play the remastered version? I'm not sure what you are saying here but it seems you are deliberately being obtuse to my point. I'm not saying nobody plays old games or nobody buys remasters I'm saying it's kind of ridiculous to suggest this:

I find this funny. PS4 supposedly sold around 80 million. Why isn't each Sony exclusive selling like 40 million or more? Because the only people who care about "exclusives" are console warriors.

Most people buy consoles to play Call of Duty, Fifa, Fortnite, etc.

And say nobody cares about exclusives other than warriors then suggest that people care about buying a console to play some outdated version of an old game. I can assure you they care more about the latest exclusive games than playing some old game hence why you have the issue with XB1 and why that same issue existed for the PS3. You're very clearly being disingenuous here.

 

[Thiagosc777]

And say nobody cares about exclusives other than warriors then suggest that people care about buying a console to play some outdated version of an old game.

Not warrioring. Just pointing out a fact. If "exclusives" were the main reason to buy a console, then they would sell more than all other games. The most popular games are third party.

People do want to play old games, that's why they pay for remasters when they got no option.

 

[phil_t98]

Not warrioring. Just pointing out a fact. If "exclusives" were the main reason to buy a console, then they would sell more than all other games. The most popular games are third party.

People do want to play old games, that's why they pay for remasters when they got no option.

Agree with that, the way people champion the PS4 exclusive games on here as if they are the second coming you would expect them to sell 20 mill plus per game given the install base of the PS4, now its a great console and great games but the xbox is a great console and great games to.

when you look at the online numbers of players in games the gap isn't that massive and I thought it would be, there is another thread about GT sport which is a great game but it only has had 5 million players, not sold copies but players. I honestly thought that game would defiantly but 15 mill plus easy with the install base, just goes to show they are selling the consoles but the games aint shifting as fast as I would expect.

I need to pint out to all the Sony warriors out there this post is in now way bashing their system or games

 

[Three]

Agree with that, the way people champion the PS4 exclusive games on here as if they are the second coming you would expect them to sell 20 mill plus per game given the install base of the PS4, now its a great console and great games but the xbox is a great console and great games to.

when you look at the online numbers of players in games the gap isn't that massive and I thought it would be, there is another thread about GT sport which is a great game but it only has had 5 million players, not sold copies but players. I honestly thought that game would defiantly but 15 mill plus easy with the install base, just goes to show they are selling the consoles but the games aint shifting as fast as I would expect.

I need to pint out to all the Sony warriors out there this post is in now way bashing their system or games

Out of sheer curiosity how many copies do you think good games sell?

Not warrioring. Just pointing out a fact. If "exclusives" were the main reason to buy a console, then they would sell more than all other games. The most popular games are third party.

People do want to play old games, that's why they pay for remasters when they got no option.

Good exclusives tend to sell more than multiplatform games they just don't when you combine all platforms. I do think in the gran scheme of things they are a drop in the ocean compared to multiplatforms because there are a lot of multiplatforms out there too.

 

[phil_t98]

Out of sheer curiosity how many copies do you think good games sell?



Exclusive tend to sell more than multiplatform games they just don't when you combine all platforms

well when you have a console base of 70mill plus and how people on this forum say how good the exclusive games are I would expect something like GT sport to be double the amount of players that they have, maybe more to be honest. God of war was raved about everywhere as one of the best games ever, it had sold 5 million copies by mid may which is great but again when the install bases is so high of PS4 I would expect a hell of a lot more than that.

again not dissing those sales figures I just thought they be a lot more. the biggest sellers are still the multiplat games like Cod and Fifa it seems. Fortnight is silly numbers because its free