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Fortnite on PlayStation doesn't have cross-platform play with other consoles because they are worse, explains Sony boss.
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captainraincoat
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I can live without the name changes.....the atrocious download speeds and the no refunds but the one thing that really annoys me is how psn is account region locked
as someone who came over from the states to Australia i had to create 2 accounts and one account has half my stuff on it with dlc that cant be shared and the other is the same
i cant region swap easily to take advantage of sales in other regions and it means that i also cant use 1 season pass across 2 accounts from different regions....xbox i have no issue with this
i can mix and mach to my heart is content ...its rather annoying and very close minded which seems to fit in with how they handle cross play
really do hope nintendo keep going from stride to stride and MS make the next xbox a real step ahead as its pretty clear sony needs a bit of a reality check again
as someone who came over from the states to Australia i had to create 2 accounts and one account has half my stuff on it with dlc that cant be shared and the other is the same
i cant region swap easily to take advantage of sales in other regions and it means that i also cant use 1 season pass across 2 accounts from different regions....xbox i have no issue with this
i can mix and mach to my heart is content ...its rather annoying and very close minded which seems to fit in with how they handle cross play
really do hope nintendo keep going from stride to stride and MS make the next xbox a real step ahead as its pretty clear sony needs a bit of a reality check again
hecatomb
Banned
Im wondering what Sony is thinking also, cause I think people here are just assuming too many things. It could be cause Sony doesn't want to help with the game could be cause other companies will come to them asking them for money also for cross play. Then every company will look to Sony for a free ride.
Sony had no problem with street fighter 5 being cross play, maybe cause capcom were the ones taking care of it.
Lort
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Fortnite literally released cross play that worked .. then said Sony told them they had to disable it. The devs “took care of it” just like it had been for Rocket League and other games.
hecatomb
Banned
There has to be other reason besides money, if that was the case they wouldn't have cross play for SFV, cause most people already had sticks for PC I mean.
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Lort
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The reason is competition, they have shown numerous times they dont mind cross play with PC usually but not Xbox / Nintendo.
hecatomb
Banned
It doesn't seem like they would lose any money even if fortnite was cross play seeing how Sony is in the lead with the console wars. Though I hope the game just dies out completely
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Would that not be "Play Anywhere" then?
If people want to use the "For The Players" slogan as a snide shitpost...
Clearly it is not "Play Anywhere"... amirite?
This is how ridiculous these comments are.
MS wants to keep customers on their MS store and that's why they don't want to have their games on steam. companies are for their own interest. Blocking MS is a smart business move if it doesn't impact the sales of the PS4 and their games.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Of course, we all know this. Even the fans on either side who refuse to admit it.
Just because a console have the largest user base doesn't mean everyone who owns it is playing fortnite. MS/Nintendo consoles too have access to large users with cross-play. The game is a popular game all round. LOL largest user base? Puh-lease....I prefer a stable online experience over anything. Sony is just being stubborn and dumb. Their online infrastructure needs work too, and they have not done much about it this gen despite charging us. I play similar online games on PSN/XBL, and XBL always gives me the most stable experience. PSN had more lags and disconnections for similar games.
LegendOfKage
Gold Member
Well said. If their success right now were reversed, there's no way MS would allow cross-play. It's simply bad business. You don't give people a reason to purchase your competitor's platform.
But wow, what a dumb PR statement from Sony about the situation. Really bad. I don't own an Xbox One X. I don't want one, because I wouldn't pay for another online subscription. I'm staying with Sony this generation, through and through. The exclusives have been great, and MS doesn't really have much that interests me.
But sorry, the Xbox One X is better hardware than the PS4 or PS4 pro. And saying that it's a worse console is a garbage explanation that really does bring reminders of the arrogant Sony most people don't ever want to see again. They deserve all the bad PR they're going to get from this.
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CRAIG667
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It’s amazing how dumb people can be.
Mokus
Member
Thousands? Try millions! And wasn't just PSN affected, but the whole Sony network.
The PSN account it's not region locked, it's country locked! Now imagine living in Europe and moving from one country to another.
Some people like a lot the idea being special and having special bounds to things they like. And it's nothing new under the sun, this is the same in politics, football clubs, music genres (bands) and mother of all - religion.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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gioGAF
Member
Cross platform play is flat out a STUPID idea for a console manufacturer. Every time this discussion comes up, it boggles my mind. Why on earth would a business manufacturing a product allow equal access to their ecosystem to competitors? It is ridiculous. The whole thing is a huge rabbit hole that most people who clamor for such a feature have no clue what they are asking for.
Take Fortnite:
Sony does have the BEST experience. There are more players on PS4 and Sony has a fairly closed ecosystem that at the very least reduces cheating. Giving access to other platforms creates problems with stability (they can't control the parameters on other systems), whatever crap is being sold for this game can be bought on the other systems and used on the PS4 completely skipping their own market, the consumer has no reason to purchase a PlayStation since they can play their favorite game wherever they want and they can play with their friends from wherever they want.
It is clear that other platform holders are keen on the idea of cross platform play because they are not the market leaders. I GUARANTEE that if Microsoft was in Sony's position, they would not allow cross platform play (except with their own Windows ecosystem).
Overall, this whole stupid thing hurts Sony's image because it makes it seem like they are the bad guy. They are not, they are doing the right thing. They should continue to control their ecosystem in order to provide the best gaming experience, with the best player base, etc. They way I see it, this continues to make PlayStation the best place to game. Xbox has no place, and Switch is for the exclusive experiences.
Btw, Sony has allowed cross platform play, I'm okay with them deciding when it is right for them and to not fold to the bullshit that is mostly peddled by the clueless or by their less successful competitor who is desperate to regain market share.
Take Fortnite:
Sony does have the BEST experience. There are more players on PS4 and Sony has a fairly closed ecosystem that at the very least reduces cheating. Giving access to other platforms creates problems with stability (they can't control the parameters on other systems), whatever crap is being sold for this game can be bought on the other systems and used on the PS4 completely skipping their own market, the consumer has no reason to purchase a PlayStation since they can play their favorite game wherever they want and they can play with their friends from wherever they want.
It is clear that other platform holders are keen on the idea of cross platform play because they are not the market leaders. I GUARANTEE that if Microsoft was in Sony's position, they would not allow cross platform play (except with their own Windows ecosystem).
Overall, this whole stupid thing hurts Sony's image because it makes it seem like they are the bad guy. They are not, they are doing the right thing. They should continue to control their ecosystem in order to provide the best gaming experience, with the best player base, etc. They way I see it, this continues to make PlayStation the best place to game. Xbox has no place, and Switch is for the exclusive experiences.
Btw, Sony has allowed cross platform play, I'm okay with them deciding when it is right for them and to not fold to the bullshit that is mostly peddled by the clueless or by their less successful competitor who is desperate to regain market share.
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LuvOfThaGame
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Ridiculous corporate lap dog response. Sony is "doing the right thing". For who? You? Them? For the players? What a joke. And Xbox has no place? This message brought to us by Playstation and the letter S. Lol.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
He forgot that Fortnite is free on psn
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
You forgot no one gives a s@%#. This is only being used as fuel on the console war, but no one really cares. It’s just an “hur dur my platform does this and yours don’t so mines better” argument.
Followed by “Sony’s Shining Knight” as your title?
It’s very easy to just ignore the topic and not bring any constructive to it.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Its a joke
This is gaf not gamefaqs
Current year and still stuck on system wars smh
This is gaf not gamefaqs
Current year and still stuck on system wars smh
Lort
Banned
If the PS4 really was the best system then why would they have “no reason to purchase a playstation”. I have demonstrated through actual scientific metrics it is not the best version. Xbox live > PSN ... xbox one x > ps4 pro.
No platform is held back by a lack of players for matchmaking... the game is far too popular. It stops Playstation users from having content they legally bought elsewhere ( a bit like a Sony dvd player only playing Sony movies). It also stops Sony players from playing with literally the REST OF THE WORLD.
Have you ever heard of Stockholm Sydrome? Because you seem to be suffering from it right now. You want whats best for Sony over whats best for the customers including yourself. If your really worried about Sony loosing market share say it straight up and admit its not the best platform which is why your concerned. Your arguments are complete contradictions and show the simplistic fanboy mindset at its most raw.
gioGAF
Member
Lol, butt hurt much? Yes, it is the right move IMO. For me (I don't have to deal with an uneven playing experience), for them (they don't have to let competitors get freebies on their back).
As far as I'm concerned, Xbox has no place in the current landscape. Feel free to disagree, I'm not telling you what to think. If Xbox disappeared tomorrow, I wouldn't notice. I would certainly miss Nintendo and Sony though, so yes, MS has no place.
- Yes, PS4 is the best system. It has the most players, period. Therefore, it is the most competitive platform, it stands a greater chance of having more of your friends on it, etc. Your "scientific metrics" really don't mean much, PC has the best performance and Xbox Live > PSN doesn't change anything, everyone would rather be where everyone else is. Hence, why would Sony agree to cross play with the stragglers.
- Lol, not even remotely the same as your ridiculous DVD analogy. More like why doesn't Apple allow Google Play on their phones. It doesn't stop PlayStation users from using the content they bought. It stops people who bought the content somewhere else from squatting on Sony's system (more like someone who bought a ticket to their local theater expecting it to get them into the IMAX showing at a different location).
- It doesn't stop you from playing the "REST OF THE WORLD". PS4 doesn't need to play against PC players, IMO that is not a good experience (PC has way more options for hardware / K&M > gamepad). That leaves the Switch, which I doubt has a sizable player count and the Xbox. The ONLY party that benefits from cross platform play would be MS and its comparatively meager player base. Not a big loss for PlayStation, maybe some of those people will switch to a better platform once they get tired of playing with themselves (ie. not with most of their friends).
- I'll ignore your Stockholm Syndrome rant and most of that paragraph. If you explained this situation to any person who doesn't have a horse in the race, they would probably agree with me. Gaming consoles are not telephones, they don't need to work with each other. I'm not worried about Sony losing market share or not being the best place to game. It is the market leader and the best place to be. I just don't see how making stupid decisions are in their favor (allowing cross platform play). Not fear, just plain common sense and an aversion to seeing my preferred place to game being compromised by people suggesting dumb ideas.
How have I contradicted myself?
Pallas
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Regardless how you feel about crossplay or what platform you game on, that PR statement by Sony is ridiculous and honestly feel like they see us, the gamers as naive fools who would believe that load of garbage.
Why would anyone think less competition = better? Do you want Sony charging us $600 for a console again? Do you want them not to enact backwards compatibility next gen(PSNow is a far cry from true BC) Do you want them to have the same shitty infrastructure that they had during the PS3 era? I could continue on why less competition is bad. Believe it or it, but Microsoft’s Xbox has a place in the gaming industry. Thinking otherwise is delusional.
You obviously have animosity and disdain toward Microsoft.
Why would anyone think less competition = better? Do you want Sony charging us $600 for a console again? Do you want them not to enact backwards compatibility next gen(PSNow is a far cry from true BC) Do you want them to have the same shitty infrastructure that they had during the PS3 era? I could continue on why less competition is bad. Believe it or it, but Microsoft’s Xbox has a place in the gaming industry. Thinking otherwise is delusional.
You obviously have animosity and disdain toward Microsoft.
Kagey K
Banned
Didn’t MS just post a deal where they were putting some of their games on steam, and giving up publishing rights to them as they were going to allow THQ Nordic to be the publisher for the steam versions?
Seems to me both of you are misinformed here somewhere, and MS is giving away a pile of money that way, but hey keep on keeping on that hate train if you like.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Pallas
He didnt say that at all. He said he doesnt think much for the ms ecosystem. If he had said Ninetendo as well then he'd be an actual fanboy that would have actually supported your claim of no competition. Which yes it would be just cinematic experiences shit and overpriced consoles.
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Pallas
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He didnt say that at all. He said he doesnt think much for the ms ecosystem. If he had said Ninetendo as well then he'd be an actual fanboy that would have actually supported your claim of no competition. Which yes it would be just cinematic experiences shit and overpriced consoles.
He said Microsoft had no place in the current landscape, I’m not sure how you read that differently. It’s pretty self explanatory.
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gioGAF
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Maybe you don't understand, but Sony + Nintendo + PC = competition. Not really against competition, but you are right, I don't have any love for MS. They have always been pretty shitty, their Xbone plans were quite clear. Theirs is a future I don't want + not interested in supporting.
Geki-D
Banned
It's a shitty attitude, but really MS & Nintendo have a bit more to gain seeing as it makes their platforms more attractive, whereas Sony allowing cross plat play would be more out of the goodness of their hearts seeing as they're already the place most people are going to play anyway.
If this were like some kind of warring nations thing, I guess when you control practically all of the land and your opponents are too weak to do anything, giving away some land to other nations you know want to take your place seems silly.
I agree that it's not very "For The Players", but Sony are a business.
If this were like some kind of warring nations thing, I guess when you control practically all of the land and your opponents are too weak to do anything, giving away some land to other nations you know want to take your place seems silly.
I agree that it's not very "For The Players", but Sony are a business.
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Kagey K
Banned
Could you imagine a world where MS never entered the console market and introduced Live? PSN would still be in the state it was in from PS2 days, PS3 would have never evolved or got in game XMB.
It’s fine to dislike a company and not want to support them, but we would be 10 years behind in the online space if Sony and Nintendo had their way.
I can’t imagine in this day and age where we would be without MS putting some pressure on to other gaming companies. It’s really easy to see all the negatives about companies you “hate” but you can’t dismiss what they brought out that helped advance the hobby.
That goes for all 3 of them.
LuvOfThaGame
Banned
You mean unlike Uncharted, TLOU, GOW, The Order, TLG, Horizon, ect, ect...? Oh. You didn't specify that they would all be 3rd person too. Overpriced? Like PS3, PS4P, and charging at all for PSN? Perhaps Sony can keep saving everyone from things like EA access or 3rd part accounts from Epic. Perhaps their consumer friendly TVs and electronics that don't have the worst customer service support. Thank our lord for our savior Sony. Why have competition when Sony is our savior.
He didnt say that at all. He said he doesnt think much for the ms ecosystem. If he had said Ninetendo as well then he'd be an actual fanboy that would have actually supported your claim of no competition. Which yes it would be just cinematic experiences shit and overpriced consoles.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Did you not read me shitting on cinematic experience shit? OFC I meant uncharted and the aaa games. Dude you are something else. I was talking about Sony lol.
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Lort
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Obviously you would notice if xbox wasnt around because you keep talking about it.
The playstation does not have the “best experience” as per Sony PR you regurgitate.. it doesnt have the most players (there have been more people download fortnite for ios than there even are ps4s ie over 100 million dlds), it dosent have the best version in anyway you measure it.
In every version content transfers across except for Playstation. Thats ios xbox switch pc and android. Millions of people use this so they can play their games on the go, or with whatever device they have access to, your loss, Sonys customers loss.
Every version, thats switch ios android pc and xbox all paly together.. you obviously are posting without knowing anything about the game or how its cross platform works.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidt...nd-pc-in-fortnite-battle-royale/#4ae90b914f09
They disabled ps4 crossplay after this was written.
Its fine to support Sony in their interest over your own because you love them so much youd rather be taken advantage of than criticise them .. that is Stockholm Syndrome.
Since you prob wont bother to google anything your talking about or click on the link .. ill make it clear for you .. every platform by default only matchmakes with itself unless u deliberatly add a friend from another platform .. all your scaremongering about being owned by mouse and keyboard pc players is misplaced.
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Pallas
Member
No, I understand where your views on Microsoft are at but I am having difficulty comprehending on why no Microsoft would be better for the industry? I’m asking for facts, not personal vendettas.
hollowcupra
Member
Yoshida never said "Sony won't allow Fortnite players on PlayStation to play against their friends with other consoles – because those people are having inferior experiences." or "And that's because the best experience is to play on PlayStation, he said. So allowing other people to play would be a compromise."
That is something the site made up. The only thing Yoshida said was "On cross-platform, our way of thinking is always that PlayStation is the best place to play. Fortnite, I believe, partnered with PlayStation 4 is the best experience for users, that's our belief,"
Everything else is just mud by the author's part. The author was also member of an Xbox magazine at some point.
http://n4g.com/news/2199069/playsta...llowed-to-play-with-friends-on-other-consoles
That is something the site made up. The only thing Yoshida said was "On cross-platform, our way of thinking is always that PlayStation is the best place to play. Fortnite, I believe, partnered with PlayStation 4 is the best experience for users, that's our belief,"
Everything else is just mud by the author's part. The author was also member of an Xbox magazine at some point.
http://n4g.com/news/2199069/playsta...llowed-to-play-with-friends-on-other-consoles
Toe-Knee
Member
LuvOfThaGame
Banned
"PlayStation is the best place to play". Which means other platforms are not as good.
"Fortnite, I believe, partnered with PlayStation 4 is the best experience for users, that's our belief".
Which isn't true at all. Graphics, performance, and freedom of choice is objectively better on other platforms.
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Kagey K
Banned
In reality PC is the best place to play, they can play with everyone. They have the best options and performance depending on their rig, and get keyboard advantages.
This works in theory.....
In reality though, nobody wants to play with PC players. They mod and cheat on top of the already available advantages to them.
Lort
Banned
My mistake if thats the case .. it seems to be changing al the time ...
https://variety.com/2018/gaming/news/fortnite-ps4-switch-sony-response-1202846030/
“I was a tester on PC whos (sic) finished every season and spent hundreds of dollars on the game but nope no Switch play for me since I played once on a PS4,” said one person on Reddit.
LegendOfKage
Gold Member
If that's true, I would think that website might be looking at a lawsuit. This is really bad PR for Sony, with some pretty major you tube channels taking this story and running with it.
Kagey K
Banned
No that’s still the case. You can play Fortnite with its PSN created account on PC and Mobile, but if you make an account on XBox or Switch and then sign into it on PSN it can no longer play on Xbox or Switch. Sony ties it down regardless of where it’s made as soon as you sign into PSN with it.
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Lort
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Lol wtf .. once you play on Playstation your never allowed to play on a Nintendo of Microsoft platform again .. that is the most anticompetitive ridiculous situation i can imagine.
Michele
you.
Basically, after silence, Sony has replied to the backlash, but the company itself is not happy. He replies by giving them a sort of an middle finger and telling them that they decide based on user experiences.
'Our way of playing is always that Playstation 4 is the best way to play'? 'But actually, we opened some games as cross-platform with PC and some others, so we decide based on user experience. That is our way of thinking for cross-platform?'
Oh, really? This is one of the worst replies peoples got from Sony...the hell? This is why I prefer Nintendo over Sony.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
I think this is the third thread on this.
Michele
you.
Already a thread? If it's true, then I am sorry, but I put the entire forums in watch mode, and I activated it to notify me when there is a new thread. Seems like the notification didn't inform me about the first thread.
Geki-D
Banned
I mean it's literally a console war statement from Sony lol. Though I don't really see it as being any more arrogant than MS' last E3 conference boasting. I guess the subject is more serious (a game not being allowed cross play), but the reasoning sounds like it could have come straight from Phil Spencer's mouth on stage.
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Obviously this thread will naturally mean comparisons are made between the different platforms and their respective approaches, and as a result varied and - at times - deserved criticism will ensue.
Can we just make an effort to park the sly and snarky results where possible please? Everyone has different reasons for their investment into their chosen platforms. While it's fine to highlight areas which are contrary to these beliefs, it's not really a basis to begin throwing round direct/indirect antagonistic comments etc.
Note this applies to only a handful of comments so far, and nothing has been too extreme. Just trying to level it out before it gathers momentum
Can we just make an effort to park the sly and snarky results where possible please? Everyone has different reasons for their investment into their chosen platforms. While it's fine to highlight areas which are contrary to these beliefs, it's not really a basis to begin throwing round direct/indirect antagonistic comments etc.
Note this applies to only a handful of comments so far, and nothing has been too extreme. Just trying to level it out before it gathers momentum
geordiemp
Member
Xbox execs...Digital only as its the best place to play, no game sharing its the best place to play. We invented Direct X and wouldn't let blah barf...
Remember, its just PR marketing speak from overpaid execs who dont add any substance to hardware or software design from all 3 companies and they are all as bad as each other.
All execs talk crap, including Mr exclusive cheesy grin Phil
I buy both consoles, but I dont stand up for marketing crap, but at least they are not as bad as Reggie, that man annoys me the most.
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Michele
you.
Agreed. While I don't like Sony, I don't want to be harsh at Sony fans, but I don't think Sony fans will be too happy about this.
If possible, I want to avoid flaming and just remind them that Sony might be taking the wrong direction.
That's all I have to say on the matter. And thanks for the merge!
If possible, I want to avoid flaming and just remind them that Sony might be taking the wrong direction.
That's all I have to say on the matter. And thanks for the merge!
Pot Meet Kettle
Member
It doesn't seem like it's getting any better either (for anyone whose account is tied to PSN that is).
Sony used to allow crossplay with PS4/PC games, but now they started to drop that. In fact it's now standard practice not to allow crossplay between PS4 VR and PC + 3 different VR solutions (and not because VR technology itself prevents crossplay since the game that already suffered from this policy allows for VR between the different PC VR vendors versions with no problem) and that's like the last thing VR technology needs - more fragmentation.
Arrogant Sony was there in the PS3 days and with their "HDR" screens that don't meet HDR standards but had to rebrand more honestly because they didn't sell well at all (because of a general consumer distrust in HDR because... of Sony's cheaper subpar screens flooding the market in part) and the rude awakening seems to be a tradition at this point to temper their arrogance.
It remains to be seen what this inevitable awakening is (inevitable because pride and stagnation always come before the fall, and that was a direct reason behind the PS3 woes and disconnect with publisher and gamer needs) ... so far even Nintendo coming off the massive wii u failure managed to get them out of the handheld stage with the 3DS and then the Switch (a significant enough concern for Sony they now single it out in exclusivity contracts), and Nintendo and Microsoft were working both on their own VR solutions but dropped it because of weaker hardware. Even Nintendo (who insists on restricting voice chat to local LAN connections only) is now more flexible letting third parties manage their online multiplayer and account systems, which was unthinkable in 2010.
The situation can easily be upended in not so favorable end results for Sony a few years later if they continue this brand of short-sighted business decisions (especially their struggles with the Vita - trying to compete with the PSP, tries to upend the 3DS, tries to replace the PS3, tries to replicate the Wii U double screen schtick, the ps tv with its unmaintained whitelist that purges anything that used the vita features, those same features were used by most of its initial titles, killed off, revival attempt to compete with the switch, US branch says it's killed off after all, revival projects now on smartphones... gross mismanagement, is what this is) and just like vertical shooters boycotted sony in the PS3/X360 era, or MMOs and many multiplatforms avoided Microsoft, the same second class citizen situation can happen again with the PS4/PS5 and online if a good enough option exists, and the prominence of mobile is just one of many catalysts for that eventuality.
Sony used to allow crossplay with PS4/PC games, but now they started to drop that. In fact it's now standard practice not to allow crossplay between PS4 VR and PC + 3 different VR solutions (and not because VR technology itself prevents crossplay since the game that already suffered from this policy allows for VR between the different PC VR vendors versions with no problem) and that's like the last thing VR technology needs - more fragmentation.
Arrogant Sony was there in the PS3 days and with their "HDR" screens that don't meet HDR standards but had to rebrand more honestly because they didn't sell well at all (because of a general consumer distrust in HDR because... of Sony's cheaper subpar screens flooding the market in part) and the rude awakening seems to be a tradition at this point to temper their arrogance.
It remains to be seen what this inevitable awakening is (inevitable because pride and stagnation always come before the fall, and that was a direct reason behind the PS3 woes and disconnect with publisher and gamer needs) ... so far even Nintendo coming off the massive wii u failure managed to get them out of the handheld stage with the 3DS and then the Switch (a significant enough concern for Sony they now single it out in exclusivity contracts), and Nintendo and Microsoft were working both on their own VR solutions but dropped it because of weaker hardware. Even Nintendo (who insists on restricting voice chat to local LAN connections only) is now more flexible letting third parties manage their online multiplayer and account systems, which was unthinkable in 2010.
The situation can easily be upended in not so favorable end results for Sony a few years later if they continue this brand of short-sighted business decisions (especially their struggles with the Vita - trying to compete with the PSP, tries to upend the 3DS, tries to replace the PS3, tries to replicate the Wii U double screen schtick, the ps tv with its unmaintained whitelist that purges anything that used the vita features, those same features were used by most of its initial titles, killed off, revival attempt to compete with the switch, US branch says it's killed off after all, revival projects now on smartphones... gross mismanagement, is what this is) and just like vertical shooters boycotted sony in the PS3/X360 era, or MMOs and many multiplatforms avoided Microsoft, the same second class citizen situation can happen again with the PS4/PS5 and online if a good enough option exists, and the prominence of mobile is just one of many catalysts for that eventuality.
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