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[Nobody_Important]

Just curious where you guys fall on more straight forward violations. This guy is likely about to be permabanned for supporting child abuse. Do you guys think its deserved?

https://www.resetera.com/posts/13924528/

No, it’s not child abuse. There’s nothing wrong with me. I don’t come home from work and start beating my kids for no reason. My wife and I hit them when needed. Literally billions of people raise their kids like this.

 

[Cunth]

What’s he talking about? A smack on the bum? I give my kids a smack on the bum sometimes if they are too naughty

 

[Nobody_Important]

What’s he talking about? A smack on the bum? I give my kids a smack on the bum sometimes if they are too naughty

If you read his other responses it shows he is talking about open handed smacking them not just spanking them.

 

[Cunth]

I definitely do not support people slapping their kids on the face or anywhere hard enough that it leaves bruising

 

[Bill O'Rights]

Just curious where you guys fall on more straight forward violations. This guy is likely about to be permabanned for supporting child abuse. Do you guys think its deserved?

https://www.resetera.com/posts/13924528/

Please do not frame the point disingenuously. The thread asks if physically repremanding a child is 'child abuse'. The poster's position is that spanking does not constitute child abuse and differentiates between a disciplinary correctional spank to full on violent beatings.


You may consider spanking as child abuse. But nowhere does that poster advocate child abuse in the link you've provided. What you've done is taken a contrary point and applied it to your subjective definition of a phrase.


If you have a different post where the poster says they support child abuse then please share. If you have an interest in the topic then create a new thread.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Please do not frame the point disingenuously. The thread asks if physically repremanding a child is 'child abuse'. The poster's position is that spanking does not constitute child abuse and differentiates between a disciplinary correctional spank to full on violent beatings.


You may consider spanking as child abuse. But nowhere does that poster advocate child abuse in the link you've provided. What you've done is taken a contrary point and applied it to your subjective definition of a phrase.


If you have a different post where the poster says they support child abuse then please share. If you have an interest in the topic then create a new thread.

The person in question talks about "hitting" several times and its very clear that he is not simply talking about spankings here. He even openly talks about smacking his children across the face. I even stated in my other post right after the one you quoted that if you were to read the other posts of his that its clear he meant more than spankings. I just didn't wanna spam several links if I could help it.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/13924700/

I guess everyone has their own opinion on what violence is. To me, I violent act would be closed fist punching your child. An open hand smack across the face is not.

https://www.resetera.com/posts/13924456/

Again, it’s not violence. And these so-called experts never actually have children of their own. I guess it’s their word against literally thousands of years of natural child-rearing. I guess my people must be doing something wrong since our children grow up to be doctors, mathematicians, lawyers, engineers, and artists. I’m glad I live in a country that won’t lock me up for smacking my kids.

EDIT: A newer post of his


https://www.resetera.com/posts/13925552/

Who the fuck punches their kid? That's child abuse. Slap, smack, okay. But don't punch. Jesus...

So no its not just spanking that he is talking about. He is openly advocating slapping around children. That is child abuse by any definition. Its very clear that by "hitting", "slapping" and "smacking" he means more than a simple spanking.

 

[Redneckerz]

Just curious where you guys fall on more straight forward violations. This guy is likely about to be permabanned for supporting child abuse. Do you guys think its deserved?

https://www.resetera.com/posts/13924528/

''I beat my kids when it's warranted''.

That does not say ''Open handed smacking'', you know.

However, user's formulation is problematic since beating usually refers to actually smacking the heck out of people.

Assuming good faith (Which i know, is dangerous on a place like ERA) i am going to say that said user is not aware of the implications of the word beating and he refers to bum slapping instead. That he does not know what he is saying comes back in this post where he compares a fist punch to a open smack on the face, which is also not really properly formulated. Because then you have to explain what one means with smack: A slap which is usually low in speed or an actual smack which is high in speed (And which is indeed beating) someone.

Ofcourse ERA instantely equates anything that revolves touching your kid as violence. In my youth, what we had was a correcting tap, similar to Dog Whisper's taps. It isnt a smack and more analogus to a slap. Perhaps that user is referring to that but is unaware of this praising so he calls it beating and hitting. Beating kids is problematic and abuse, correcting taps are not and are what a lot of people do. Since the user does bring forth the argument that ''a lot of parents do this'' strengthens my belief that he is referring to a correcting tap instead.

However since nobody on that forum is pointing any of this out and instead tell him to ''take a step back and rethink your stance before you get banned. You are literally advocating child abuse right now. The fuck is wrong with you?'' i reckon he will get the ban because yeah, under that pretext its child abuse.

I would first ask him to clarify his stance and if he didn't mean something else like the aforementioned correcting tap. If he doubles down on it and says he is beating his kids, then yeah, its a slam dunk case.

 

[Nobody_Important]

''I beat my kids when it's warranted''.

That does not say ''Open handed smacking'', you know.

I told you guys to read his other posts

https://www.resetera.com/posts/13924700/

I guess everyone has their own opinion on what violence is. To me, I violent act would be closed fist punching your child. An open hand smack across the face is not.

So no he is not talking about spankings. So unless anyone wants to argue that smacking your children in the face repeatedly isn't child abuse the guy is defending child abuse. So i wanna know if you all think its warranted or not. Because you guys are always quick to pile on Era for banning people, but in this case its pretty obvious that its warranted. I just wanted to know whether or not you would would agree with it or not. Because I figured supporting child abuse was something that everyone could agree is a bannable offense.

 

[Typhares]

Open hand smack is definitely unwarranted and unnecessary. Would I ban a user in a topic where it is supposed to be up for discussion, I dunno.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Open hand smack is definitely unwarranted and unnecessary. Would I ban a user in a topic where it is supposed to be up for discussion, I dunno.

I totally get that, but as you can see from the quotes its not like he just said that he has smacked his kids in the past and then left it at that. He is actually going out of his way to defend and advocate for the practice itself and to me that is two very different things.


Saying you have done something before and defending something you have done before is two separate things in my opinion. Especially when it comes to something as sensitive as this.



EDIT: Also I guess I should have said I am okay with spanking kids within reason. A smack on the butt is fine. I'm not an idiot. I know thats done all over the world, but openly smacking around your kids like he is talking about is obviously not okay. Hence my point.

 

[Typhares]

I totally get that, but as you can see from the quotes its not like he just said that he has smacked his kids in the past and then left it at that. He is actually going out of his way to defend and advocate for the practice itself and to me that is two very different things.


Saying you have done something before and defending something you have done before is two separate things in my opinion. Especially when it comes to something as sensitive as this.

Well of course he is, if he wasn't defending it then that would be the same as admitting he is wrong which he is clearly not prepared to do.
But that's the thing about a forum you're going to get different takes.
There has to be a limit for sure but I'm not sure that guys crosses it for me even if I disagree with him and feel uncomfortable thinking about children getting smacked.
Maybe a warning or banned from the thread but I don't think perm if that's the only thing he did.
Apparently in his country it is not illegal either and unfortunately that opinion was commonly shared probably just a few decades ago.
But that's just how I would act as a mod in this specific case, this one is not necessarily so clear cut.

 

[prag16]

Open hand smack is definitely unwarranted and unnecessary. Would I ban a user in a topic where it is supposed to be up for discussion, I dunno.

No ban. It comes down as usual to nuance or differing viewpoints not being allowed, and mods enforcing that.

I agree that open palmed smacks across the face are not cool. But this user disagrees and doesn't seem to be coming from a place of malice. It's not up to me or Era moderation to decide whether he should be subject to action by law enforcement. Totally separate.

The desire to ban this user is yet another a symptom of Era (and its defenders') problems.

 

[Nobody_Important]

Well of course he is, if he wasn't defending it then that would be the same as admitting he is wrong which he is clearly not prepared to do.
But that's the thing about a forum you're going to get different takes.
There has to be a limit for sure but I'm not sure that guys crosses it for me even if I disagree with him and feel uncomfortable thinking about children getting smacked.
Maybe a warning or banned from the thread but I don't think perm if that's the only thing he did.
Apparently in his country it is not illegal either and unfortunately that opinion was commonly shared probably just a few decades ago.
But that's just how I would act as a mod in this specific case, this one is not necessarily so clear cut.

Well I said perma because its Era. And they will permaban you for pretty much anything if its the right mod and the right violation.



If it was me I would make it 2 to 3 weeks. If he had simply said he had done it in the past and regretted it I wouldn't have done anything. If he had simply said well my parent did it to me and I see no issue then it would have been a warning. But the double and tripling down on it and defending it as a reasonable course of action is just too much. Even for a thread about it.


The logic he is using is just fundamentally flawed on so many levels. As one poster in the thread pointed out if you took his comments and applied them to someones spouse rather than their kids the response would be completely different. It would be perceived as being barbaric.

 

[Bill O'Rights]

for banning people, but in this case its pretty obvious that its warranted

With respect that user is not banned and you provided the excerpt to make your point. If you feel strongly they should be banned you need to to go era. If you want to start a topic then do so. This is not the thread for it.

 

[Nobody_Important]

With respect that user is not banned and you provided the excerpt to make your point. If you feel strongly they should be banned you need to to go era. If you want to start a topic then do so. This is not the thread for it.

How is it not?


People come into this thread and talk about whether or not people should be banned for comments all the time. I have seen countless posts regarding racism, violence, and other perceived infractions and they discuss them being actioned on and they discuss them not being actioned on. There are dozens of examples of such posts in just the past 5 or 6 pages. People come in and post links from era and talk about people getting banned for them or not getting banned for them.



You say I came in here and misrepresented the situation, but that happens all the time.


For example this post right here https://www.neogaf.com/threads/off-...rsonal-keep-it-in-here.1462647/post-253505434

That not even the post for which the person in question was banned. JordanN even admitted that in a following post.

That was not what received the ban...

They were going to nab him either way and that's what they did.

What I did was not usual given the history of the thread. All I did was come in here and ask whether or not they felt it fell into the category of being an actionable offense or not. That happens all the time in here. The whole thread is about listing the various posts and bans from Era and discussing them. Or at least I thought it was.

 

[Yoshi]

I agree with your post except for this one. There actually are self described communists on resetera heh

Yes, I agree, there are communists and the usage of that word is not in general wrong, but as it is used by many right leaning persons, it is.

 

[Yoshi]

Just curious where you guys fall on more straight forward violations. This guy is likely about to be permabanned for supporting child abuse. Do you guys think its deserved?

https://www.resetera.com/posts/13924528/

I think he should be permed and reported to the authorities.

 

[Bill O'Rights]

If you have a different post where the poster says they support child abuse then please share. If you have an interest in the topic then create a new thread.

This is the last time I will post. Your assertion is that they are/will be banned on era and would they be banned on neogaf. They are not banned on era;
You have not provided a post where said user has said they condone child abuse. You have provided posts where the user endorses actions that you feel strongly fall into child abuse. There is a very strong difference in those two statements;
Posts 4552, 4553, 4554, 4556, 4557, 4559, 4560, 4561 have already ventured into the posters history of alleged offence, what spanking is, what a smack is etc;


If you want to discuss the topic at hand and have an appetite, please start a topic pertaining to it. Otherwise until the user is banned this is not a valid talking point.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

I think he should be permed and reported to the authorities.

That is pretty far over the top.

ERA prides itself to be a multicultural forum. Anglo culture has moved away from corporal punishment, but i'll tell you one thing, hispanic kids fear la chancla. And I am pretty sure most African American women aren't afraid to whoop their kids.

 

[Yoshi]

That is pretty far over the top.

ERA prides itself to be a multicultural forum. Anglo culture has moved away from corporal punishment, but i'll tell you one thing, hispanic kids fear la chancla. And I am pretty sure most African American women aren't afraid to whoop their kids.

Some things are wrong independent of culture. Violence against your own children is universally wrong. By that argument, I'd love to see reactions to culturally common reactions towards women's rights, lgbt rights in the middle east and especially stoning for homosexual sex from Era moderation. Then again, I have a hunch this will not fly.

 

[Nobody_Important]

This is the last time I will post. Your assertion is that they are/will be banned on era and would they be banned on neogaf. They are not banned on era;
You have not provided a post where said user has said they condone child abuse. You have provided posts where the user endorses actions that you feel strongly fall into child abuse. There is a very strong difference in those two statements;
Posts 4552, 4553, 4554, 4556, 4557, 4559, 4560, 4561 have already ventured into the posters history of alleged offence, what spanking is, what a smack is etc;


If you want to discuss the topic at hand and have an appetite, please start a topic pertaining to it. Otherwise until the user is banned this is not a valid talking point.

That's fair. I will wait until they are banned to discuss the topic further here. Or I will find an appropriate article to base a thread upon.

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Some things are wrong independent of culture. Violence against your own children is universally wrong. By that argument, I'd love to see reactions to culturally common reactions towards women's rights, lgbt rights in the middle east and especially stoning for homosexual sex from Era moderation. Then again, I have a hunch this will not fly.

Isn't that kind of anglo-centrist? What gives you the right to decide what parts of western culture are OK to impose on others?

 

[Yoshi]

Isn't that kind of anglo-centrist? What gives you the right to decide what parts of western culture are OK to impose on others?

I'm not even an anglo-saxon. So hardly anglo-centrist. It is not about imposing culture on others, Resetera moderates things even if they are legal, commonplace or even desired behaviour in certain cultures. I respect the autonomy of states and cultures and do not demand forceful intervention to change the respective laws, but I reserve my right to judge behaviour, both in my and in other cultures, independent of the respective laws and norms. For an extreme example: I do not want my country to invade china and turkey for their violations of human rights but even if the majority in those states is in favour of it, I still would not tolerate advocating such violations of human rights on a private forum. Similar goes for harmful behaviour towards others, e.g. beating your child, stoning gays and so on.

 

[Bill O'Rights]

Yoshi Cybrwzrd same applies please. Tangential is taking over, please do start another thread in politics

That's fair. I will wait until they are banned to discuss the topic further here. Or I will find an appropriate article to base a thread upon.

 

[Nobody_Important]

 

[Cybrwzrd]

Redneckerz

Waiting for your insightful analysis of their NPC thread.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-new-alt-right-npc-meme-is-legitimately-terrifying.75478/

I love the "I haven't even heard of it" posts at the start. And how OP calls it "terrifying". Then the eventual near universal lack of self awareness where it gets called stupid, right wingers are called Nazis and Russian bots, calls that right wingers are projecting, etc.

 

[prag16]

Then the eventual near universal lack of self awareness

Yep, this was my takeaway, and what IMMEDIATELY got me, scanning through the topic. "You're dehumanizing me! Nobody is that simple!" and then "Everybody to the right of Hillary is Hitler!"

 

[Yoshi]

Bill O'Rights Nobody_Important 's case was now banned for a week, are we now allowed to talk about it?

 

[tkscz]

Redneckerz

Waiting for your insightful analysis of their NPC thread.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-new-alt-right-npc-meme-is-legitimately-terrifying.75478/

I love the "I haven't even heard of it" posts at the start. And how OP calls it "terrifying". Then the eventual near universal lack of self awareness where it gets called stupid, right wingers are called Nazis and Russian bots, calls that right wingers are projecting, etc.

Terrifying? Are you fucking kidding me?

I live in an area where gunshots can be heard at all times of the day.

Where the siren's of ambulances and cop cars can be heard fly by every ten minutes.

Where the threat of being killed in cross fire while trying to get a bag of chips from the corner store is very real and constant.

That's terrifying. This is a phrase used by a guy on twitter to describe people who all follow the same lines over and over. Fucking children afraid of their damn shadows I swear.

 

[Redneckerz]

I told you guys to read his other posts

https://www.resetera.com/posts/13924700/

I did actually, and you would know if you read my comment properly Which is why i wrote up my opinion and explanation and explained about the Smack and how it pertains and such. It seems you read my comment too quickly and responded as such.

So no he is not talking about spankings. So unless anyone wants to argue that smacking your children in the face repeatedly isn't child abuse the guy is defending child abuse. So i wanna know if you all think its warranted or not. Because you guys are always quick to pile on Era for banning people, but in this case its pretty obvious that its warranted. I just wanted to know whether or not you would would agree with it or not. Because I figured supporting child abuse was something that everyone could agree is a bannable offense.

Please do not use any ad populums.

Now that the user is banned, ill happily invite you to read my post again and elaborate on it.

Redneckerz

Waiting for your insightful analysis of their NPC thread.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-new-alt-right-npc-meme-is-legitimately-terrifying.75478/

To be blunt i had not heard of it either (Or atleast the details of it) and i looked it up to today, so its funny that you mention it. I like the visual rendition of the meme and the explanation that comes forth with it: Essentially a visual representation for people who do not think for themselves and adher to overreactions. Which is a spot on metric for a lot of ERA posts.

The fact people call it dehumanizing is a perfect example of the NPC meme: By overreacting like that, they give that meme exactly the fuel that it needs to have.

Despite that, i can actually understand why it recieves this naming: By essentially bringing people with a wild variety of opinions down to an anonymous and nameless sheep you are removing all characteristics of someone's personality in favor of a more uniformed herd/hivemind. I think that part of the meme is dismissive and unjust.

However, a good meme makes you laugh in lieu of obvious satire. The NPC meme is on the onset ridicoulous and obvious, thus the meme makes people laugh. It certainly gave me a chuckle.

And this is why ERAdians are giving the meme fuel - They are not aware of the obvious satirical nature of the meme and take it personally. Which, in this case, only makes the meme even better: The cluelessness of the people to which this meme is targetted towards to only serves to boost the hilarity (not Hilary factor mind you) factor of said meme.

I mean this is funny:

People who do not get the obviousness of the joke often do not get the butt of many jokes either and lack humor themselves.

For reference, this is what ERA themselves considers funny (And the jokes itself are genderneutral, which helps!):

Atleast you can't vilify them for having a sense of irony:

EDIT LOL: I even posted in that particular thread and i threw in this clip below in order to summarize ERA best. By the great Sunhilegend. Mind you, this was Oct 27, 2017, back in the day ERA truly showed great potential.

 

[Deleted member 713885]

Some times I wonder if the ResetEra members who are white realize the non-white Era members dont like white people.

Then I realize the white ResetEra members are a collection of the most self-hating white folks ever assembled.

Not a single once of self respect or self awareness on that single forum.

 

[Bill O'Rights]

Yoshi Nobody_Important - indeed. However try to the keep the discussion with that narrow focus.


The larger issue of physically reprimanding a child, and the line that separates corrective discipline and reactive anger or vindictive retribution is a much broader debate and should be held in a dedicated thread.

 

[SatansReverence]

Just curious where you guys fall on more straight forward violations. This guy is likely about to be permabanned for supporting child abuse. Do you guys think its deserved?

https://www.resetera.com/posts/13924528/

Physical discipline =/= child abuse.

That said, smacking the face goes too far imo and a week ban (not permanent) is warranted *shrug*

Fun fact though, you get a more severe punishment for supporting trump. Why don't you tell us all how "child abuse" is a lesser crime so to speak than not being far enough left for the echochamber?

 

[mekes]

Just curious where you guys fall on more straight forward violations. This guy is likely about to be permabanned for supporting child abuse. Do you guys think its deserved?

https://www.resetera.com/posts/13924528/

I don’t get why he would be banned for participating in a thread that is allowed on the forum? He answered and replied to the thread topic but because some find it controversial he should be banned from the site? Why? This is what makes Reset Error a weak ass site. You don’t have to agree with everybody every time. People get banned solely for having a different opinion or life experience.

And I don’t agree with striking a child across the face.

 

[Sub_Level]

I told you guys to read his other posts

https://www.resetera.com/posts/13924700/




So no he is not talking about spankings. So unless anyone wants to argue that smacking your children in the face repeatedly isn't child abuse the guy is defending child abuse. So i wanna know if you all think its warranted or not. Because you guys are always quick to pile on Era for banning people, but in this case its pretty obvious that its warranted. I just wanted to know whether or not you would would agree with it or not. Because I figured supporting child abuse was something that everyone could agree is a bannable offense.

Not warranted at all lol he will be more likely to continue his behavior thanks to all the snarky responses and the ban. He likely feels more emboldened and set in his ways.

Then when you point that out those folks say well its not our job to educate people on why beating your kids is bad. And i agree with them its not their job because that would involve discussion, and era is not a discussion board.

 

[God Enel]

I don’t get why he would be banned for participating in a thread that is allowed on the forum? He answered and replied to the thread topic but because some find it controversial he should be banned from the site? Why? This is what makes Reset Error a weak ass site. You don’t have to agree with everybody every time. People get banned solely for having a different opinion or life experience.

And I don’t agree with striking a child across the face.

100% agree

 

[prag16]

Fun fact though, you get a more severe punishment for supporting trump. Why don't you tell us all how "child abuse" is a lesser crime so to speak than not being far enough left for the echochamber?

Well, haven't you heard? Supporting Trump automatically makes you a deplorable bigot, in support of policies that are literally killing millions of people. Of course that warrants a larger punishment than just hitting one kid.

Spoiler

Yes, that "literally killing millions of people" bit is an actual claim made numerous times on resetera.

 

[Papa]

Stop the presses! I actually kinda agree with Nobody_Important based on this bit:

I guess everyone has their own opinion on what violence is. To me, I violent act would be closed fist punching your child. An open hand smack across the face is not.

The user is clearly advocating for open handed smacks to the face as a form of disciplining children. Spanking the butt I can agree with, but anything on the face/head/non-fleshy part I cannot.

I feel dirty now, brb gonna take a shower.

 

[pimentel1]

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[prag16]

I got spanked. My brother on reset did not. I got a woman, my own home, a job. I work. My 30 year old brother on reset still lives with mom. Spanking works.

Has your brother disowned you yet, for failing to toe the reset party line? Any good era member does this.

 

[pimentel1]

...

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Terrifying? Are you fucking kidding me?

I live in an area where gunshots can be heard at all times of the day.

Where the siren's of ambulances and cop cars can be heard fly by every ten minutes.

Where the threat of being killed in cross fire while trying to get a bag of chips from the corner store is very real and constant.

That's terrifying. This is a phrase used by a guy on twitter to describe people who all follow the same lines over and over. Fucking children afraid of their damn shadows I swear.

You from DC?

 

[Yoshi]

The user is clearly advocating for open handed smacks to the face as a form of disciplining children. Spanking the butt I can agree with, but anything on the face/head/non-fleshy part I cannot.

Spanking the butt still is a severe violation of trust and it being abuse (imagine a boss doing it to a worker; even if no visible damage is caused by this, the boss would see criminal charges and lose his job - over abuse) is reinforced by the fact that the child is in a dependency relation with the parents. It is henious and agreeing with such violations is a very, very good reason to feel dirty, so I hope you enjoyed your shower.

I don’t get why he would be banned for participating in a thread that is allowed on the forum? He answered and replied to the thread topic but because some find it controversial he should be banned from the site? Why? This is what makes Reset Error a weak ass site. You don’t have to agree with everybody every time. People get banned solely for having a different opinion or life experience.

And I don’t agree with striking a child across the face.

Even if a thread is allowed, you can still very clearly go beyond the scope of what is being allowed. To give a rather exteme example, let's give one that would very likely lead to a perma in this very place. Imagine a child abuser (sexually, not physical abuse under the pretense of discipline) was convicted for 2 years prison and someone made a thread whether you think the verdict is fair or should it have been different, I think this thread would be allowed here. But now, if someone entered and said "no, it is completely unfair, because the child was not hurt at all, it agreed to the act and did not want the perpetrator punished, they should have given a 'not guilty verdict'" - and to be sure, make the child 12 or younger (because from 13 on it can be legal age in various countries, so I am less sure this would get sanctioned) - I am very much certain this would lead to a ban and one the majority here (me included) would agree with. It is absolutely on topic though. So in principle, haveing a thread on a topic does not mean that all opinions on the topic are allowed as well. The thing with Resetera of course is that in many cases the range of allowed opinions is very narrow.

For this specific thread, I would have allowed everything from "parents who abuse their children by spanking their butt should see jail time no smaller than lifetime" to "It is wrong, but I can understand if people do it once in a while in the heat of a situation; they should be aware that it is wrong though. Criminal chargest would be too severe if it was just a butt slap."

 

[Corrik]

I think some of you definitely do not have children.

 

[royox]

For the love of god Yoshi are you comparing slapping your kid's butt with a fucking boss slapping a worker's butt? I.....don't....I lack the english level to react at this.

ps: Why don't some of you open a thread about this on offtopic so we don't derrail this thread more? (I would but I'm at work and can't build a quality first post lol).

 

[Cunth]

Yoshi definitely does not have kids

 

[Unknown Soldier]

It falls to Bloomberg of all places to explain exactly what the problem with Reset is. I would post this article there but simply doing that would risk a permanent ban so I won't be wasting my time with that.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...onse-shows-failure-of-liberalism?srnd=premium

Imagine the perfect political and intellectual weapon. It would disable your adversaries by preoccupying them with their own vanities and squabbles, a bit like a drug so good that users focus on the high and stop everything else they are doing.

Such a weapon exists: It is called political correctness. But it is not a weapon against white men or conservatives, as is frequently alleged; rather, it is a weapon against the American left. To put it simply, the American left has been hacked, and it is now running in a circle of its own choosing, rather than focusing on electoral victories or policy effectiveness. Too many segments of the Democratic Party are self-righteously talking about identity politics, and they are letting other priorities slip.

Every time identity politics is in the headlines — rather than, say, wages or health care — Donald Trump’s re-election chances go up. As Tony Blair said recently: “If you put right-wing populism against left populism, right-wing populism will win.”

To be clear, lest you think I focus too much on the failures of the left: I now wonder if, in the internet era, every political movement is hackable. Political involvement requires a certain kind of ideological motivation, and ideologies are imperfectly rational. So a smart hacker can redirect the attention of groups in other, less productive directions. Just put some inflammatory words or video on the internet and you can induce the left to talk more about identity politics.

 

[Papa]

Spanking the butt still is a severe violation of trust and it being abuse (imagine a boss doing it to a worker; even if no visible damage is caused by this, the boss would see criminal charges and lose his job - over abuse) is reinforced by the fact that the child is in a dependency relation with the parents. It is henious and agreeing with such violations is a very, very good reason to feel dirty, so I hope you enjoyed your shower.


Even if a thread is allowed, you can still very clearly go beyond the scope of what is being allowed. To give a rather exteme example, let's give one that would very likely lead to a perma in this very place. Imagine a child abuser (sexually, not physical abuse under the pretense of discipline) was convicted for 2 years prison and someone made a thread whether you think the verdict is fair or should it have been different, I think this thread would be allowed here. But now, if someone entered and said "no, it is completely unfair, because the child was not hurt at all, it agreed to the act and did not want the perpetrator punished, they should have given a 'not guilty verdict'" - and to be sure, make the child 12 or younger (because from 13 on it can be legal age in various countries, so I am less sure this would get sanctioned) - I am very much certain this would lead to a ban and one the majority here (me included) would agree with. It is absolutely on topic though. So in principle, haveing a thread on a topic does not mean that all opinions on the topic are allowed as well. The thing with Resetera of course is that in many cases the range of allowed opinions is very narrow.

For this specific thread, I would have allowed everything from "parents who abuse their children by spanking their butt should see jail time no smaller than lifetime" to "It is wrong, but I can understand if people do it once in a while in the heat of a situation; they should be aware that it is wrong though. Criminal chargest would be too severe if it was just a butt slap."

Now you’re just being ridiculous. Comparing a child to an employee? Really?

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

It falls to Bloomberg of all places to explain exactly what the problem with Reset is. I would post this article there but simply doing that would risk a permanent ban so I won't be wasting my time with that.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...onse-shows-failure-of-liberalism?srnd=premium

Good find. It's interesting how the Bloomberg article cites the "80% of Americans don't like PC culture in it's current form", an article that was discussed in this GAF thread.

That's probably worthy of its own thread over in Politics.

 

[Yoshi]

Yoshi definitely does not have kids

Technically correct, because I just have one child.

For the love of god @Yoshi are you comparing slapping your kid's butt with a fucking boss slapping a worker's butt? I.....don't....I lack the english level to react at this.

The issue with slapping the worker's butt is both more severe and less severe than slapping the child's. More severe because people tend to have an elevated expectation of respect they deserve as grown ups over children (in some ways justified, in some ways not) and it is a disrespectful treatment, in some ways more severe because the dependency of the child and the emotional dependency in particular is much greater than in a simple working relationship. Matter of fact is, though, that every form of corporal punishment is undoubtedly child abuse and should be treated as such. Parents who regularly and without remorse slap their children are horrible parents and violate their child.

Now you’re just being ridiculous. Comparing a child to an employee? Really?

Only because of the point that even physical abuse that is not leaving visible traces still is physical abuse and outside of the scope of parent-children dynamic, even people who are in favor of child abuse may be able to see how it is disgusting behaviour.