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[Shpeshal Nick]

Lack of studios isn't necessarily their problem. Cultivating their existing franchises from their existing studios is. How was that awesome Halo 5 this generation? And where is Halo 6? Where is Rare outside of an overly-simplistic pirate game and a Killer Instinct revamp 4 years ago?
Again, it's not about spending the money, it's about spending it smart. Spending money can be great, but as you say -- they've been spending it for 18 months, where are the results?

Games take years to make. You know that right?

Unless these studios had a game deep into development already we won’t be seeing anything from all these acquisitions until next gen. All this stuff they’re doing is for next gen.

Halo 5? It was a critical and commercial success.

Rare make Kinect Sports and Sea of thieves
Turn 10 has made 3 Forza games
Coalition made the successful Gears 4
Playground now owns the racing genre with Horizon

But their lack of first party resulted in a lot more 3rd party deals. As in, 3rd party studios making first party games (like Crackdown, ReCore, Ryse, Sunset etc).

I expect that will scale right back now that they have so many studios.

They’re basically riding this gen out making as much money as possible out of higher spenders with the X, Elite controller plus other various controllers and GamePass.

Xbox 5 will launch in 2020. Next year they have Gears 5, Gears Tactics, Ori 2, Crackdown and Battletoads. That’s plenty for one year and will hold them over until Xbox 5 launch which will launch with Halo Infinite, Forza and I’m sure a few games the new studios are working on.

They’ll be fine.

 

[HeresJohnny]

You Know, I'd almost be willing to give you a "B" for effort about power, if Sony didn't attempt to deceive casuals with their last sales add that advertised RDR2 in 4K when it clearly wasn't the case. But, you know...... Power doesn't matter. Right?

Ans I never said power was THE measure of success to consoles, but it definitely was this gen, and Sony fans, gaming journalists and the rest of gaming media made it quite known.

You can't keep stating that power never mattered when after the X1 initial reveal, DF began making comparisons. I think the first was Battle Field? It was 720p on the One and 1080p on the PS4. That's when power began to play a major role in the console wars.

But before that, it was all about 3rd party games and indies, because the PS4 had a really slow start, MS had all the exclusives - but in that same time frame, Sony fans we're screaming about how exclusives didn't matter. 3rd party and indies was where its at.

Xbox fans didn't like hearing that. Because we were playing a pretty solid line up of exclusive 1st party games in primarily 720p and 900p.

You can pretend otherwise if you choose. Doesn't change facts.

Then Sony is stupid too -- do you think casuals give a shit about 4k or even know what it is? Please. That's like posting 0-60 times in a minivan commercial.

And that's what Digital Foundry does, they make comparisons. They haven't helped the PS4 get where it is and they won't help the X either. They're an enthusiast-driven site full of technical jargon most casuals are simply not going to understand and don't want to -- they're actually too busy playing their games to care. Hell, I LIKE DF and even I have to scrub forward through some of their videos because they exhaustively cover topics so deeply. There are people on this forum who can't tell the difference between 30 and 60 frames, and others who think they can tell the difference between 900 and 1080 at 15 feet away. Do you really think the audience that only buys a dozen games over an entire generation is really going to watch videos about pixel counting or frame rates? They don't care. They've made their decision and they're usually super stoked about it, whichever one they bought. As I've said before, most people who aren't enthusiasts think these consoles look fucking awesome -- both the base PS4 and the S. To them, it's a giant jump and they're totally happy with either of them, and the last thing they're gonna do is go on forums like these or watch videos dissecting the performance of the systems, or go buy new televisions just to play a game.

 

[Humdinger]

yea I'm going to wait and see.

That's fine. Everyone has their own threshold for placing confidence in MS, and clearly your threshold is very high.

But at the same time, I think it's disingenuous to pretend that nothing new has happened, and that it's all just more of the same empty promises.

 

[DForce]

Sure. Sure. Keep re-writing history. You can even borrow my pen friend. Smh.

Resolution was a key factor this generation. It’s influence on adoption is fact and Sony began scrambling as soon they thought they were losing that bullet.

The 1X was absolutely necessary. Thankfully MS realizes this and will not surrender the power advantage next gen so easily.


https://www.videogamer.com/news/bet...son-why-people-are-choosing-ps4-over-xbox-one

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ibtimes.com/microsoft-xbox-one-vs-sony-playstation-4-vs-pc-resolutiongate-720p-controversy-there-alternative?amp=1

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mspowe...box-one-x-versions-due-playstation-4-pro/amp/

People who think Resolution was a key factor this generation are the same ones who claimed that the Xbox One X was going to be huge and "close the cap" between Sony and Microsoft sales.

This is of course the same fan base who denied the importance of exclusives and are now happy that MS is acquiring studios and gearing up for next generation.

Don't remember the big thread several months ago where it stated that MS is lacking appealing exclusives while people were claiming that wasn't true?

The real reason why MS struggled out of the gate is because they were selling a console for $100 more than the PS4, the major plus for Sony is that it was more powerful, too. The problem is that people think MS lost this gen because of power. They saw that MS sold over 80 million consoles last gen and believe they can recapture the same attention this gen. What people keep forgetting is that this happened because Sony sold the Playstation 3 for $500 - $600. They made the comeback after making major changes.


More people are going to pick a console with Spider-Man, God of War, Last of Us, Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4 compared to a console that has Horizon 4, Gears of War 4, Halo 5, Sea of Thieves and State of Decay 2. These games can play their Call of Duty, Red Dead Redemption, Fortnite and also play exclusives that find more attractive.

In short, it comes down to games and Sony being more of the popular video game brand.

 

[LuvOfThaGame]

People who think Resolution was a key factor this generation are the same ones who claimed that the Xbox One X was going to be huge and "close the cap" between Sony and Microsoft sales.

This is of course the same fan base who denied the importance of exclusives and are now happy that MS is acquiring studios and gearing up for next generation.

Don't remember the big thread several months ago where it stated that MS is lacking appealing exclusives while people were claiming that wasn't true?

The real reason why MS struggled out of the gate is because they were selling a console for $100 more than the PS4, the major plus for Sony is that it was more powerful, too. The problem is that people think MS lost this gen because of power. They saw that MS sold over 80 million consoles last gen and believe they can recapture the same attention this gen. What people keep forgetting is that this happened because Sony sold the Playstation 3 for $500 - $600. They made the comeback after making major changes.


More people are going to pick a console with Spider-Man, God of War, Last of Us, Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4 compared to a console that has Horizon 4, Gears of War 4, Halo 5, Sea of Thieves and State of Decay 2. These games can play their Call of Duty, Red Dead Redemption, Fortnite and also play exclusives that find more attractive.

In short, it comes down to games and Sony being more of the popular video game brand.

Power, price, and message to start this gen was botched by MS. Those are the main factors. Secondary things such as brand preference and target audience come into play, eventually. Xbox is very much a North American centric brand. Exclusives are more of a mild bonus, evident by game sales.

 

[Afro Republican]

People who think Resolution was a key factor this generation are the same ones who claimed that the Xbox One X was going to be huge and "close the cap" between Sony and Microsoft sales.

This is of course the same fan base who denied the importance of exclusives and are now happy that MS is acquiring studios and gearing up for next generation.

Like 10 people believed that.

Also MS had more exclusives at the start of the gen, they just mostly all flopped.

 

[DForce]

Power, price, and message to start this gen was botched by MS. Those are the main factors. Secondary things such as brand preference and target audience come into play, eventually. Xbox is very much a North American centric brand. Exclusives are more of a mild bonus, evident by game sales.

It's been years since the start of this generation.

Power
Price
Message to start this gen is no longer the issue. So, right now people are making excuses as to why MS is failing, yet people don't want to give credit where it's due..

 

[Thiagosc777]

It's been years since the start of this generation.

Power
Price
Message to start this gen is no longer the issue. So, right now people are making excuses as to why MS is failing, yet people don't want to give credit where it's due..

How could they be failing if their revenue went up almost 100%?

 

[DForce]

Like 10 people believed that.

Also MS had more exclusives at the start of the gen, they just mostly all flopped.

Only 10 people?

lol - No. Forums, twitter etc. was going crazy with people thinking Xbox was going to have a huge year and starting winning NPDs. The results didn't turn out the way they want an the power argument failed.

Nintendo is already leading "next gen" and I seriously doubt MS will come close to those numbers.

 

[DForce]

How could they be failing if their revenue went up almost 100%?

Failing to capture what they had last gen. They're doing good, but not it comparison to Sony and Nintendo.

 

[Afro Republican]

Only 10 people?

lol - No. Forums, twitter etc. was going crazy with people thinking Xbox was going to have a huge year and starting winning NPDs. The results didn't turn out the way they want an the power argument failed.

Nintendo is already leading "next gen" and I seriously doubt MS will come close to those numbers.

it was a very small minority. There was no one going crazy, that belief wasn't even viable unless you dug deeper into the boards.

Also what does your Nintendo Comment mean? Right now the Switch numbers are less than the Xbox one, you think the next Xbox will do less than the Xbox one?

 

[Afro Republican]

Failing to capture what they had last gen. They're doing good, but not it comparison to Sony and Nintendo.

Nintendo just released their console last year what are you talking about? Are you one of those people that pretend the Wii U didn't exist?

 

[DForce]

it was a very small minority. There was no one going crazy, that belief wasn't even viable unless you dug deeper into the boards.

Also what does your Nintendo Comment mean? Right now the Switch numbers are less than the Xbox one, you think the next Xbox will do less than the Xbox one?

Among the hardcore audience, which goes into the sales, NPD results etc? No.

 

[DForce]

Nintendo just released their console last year what are you talking about? Are you one of those people that pretend the Wii U didn't exist?

WiiU released this gen. Switch is technically a 9th gen console.

 

[Afro Republican]

Among the hardcore audience, which goes into the sales, NPD results etc? No.

No, no significant number where in NPD and sales threads saying that the X was going to close the gap. Just a couple trolls and a few crazies and that was it. You're trying to inflate this for some reason.

 

[DForce]

No, no significant number where in NPD and sales threads saying that the X was going to close the gap. Just a couple trolls and a few crazies and that was it. You're trying to inflate this for some reason.

You're excusing their behavior and trying to minimize it by saying "it was only a couple."

This is why sales threads were filled with people saying, "I thought the Xbox One X wasn't going to sell?" after it was announced that the Xbox One X sold 80k.

Recently, there was an article posted about a month ago stating that the Xbox One X was being sold more than the Xbox One S (a misleading\false article) and people still pushed that narrative.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/uk-x...es-switch-launch-sales-beats-ps4-pro.1457799/

 

[Afro Republican]

You're excusing their behavior and trying to minimize it by saying "it was only a couple."

This is why sales threads were filled with people saying, "I thought the Xbox One X wasn't going to sell?" after it was announced that the Xbox One X sold 80k.

Recently, there was an article posted about a month ago stating that the Xbox One X was being sold more than the Xbox One S (a misleading\false article) and people still pushed that narrative.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/uk-x...es-switch-launch-sales-beats-ps4-pro.1457799/

No you are taking something that was never a big deal and trying to make it seem like it was wide spread.

Your own article doesn't say the X sold more than the S either. it has the X at 80,000 and the S at 150,000 a few posts down. the main article is talking about how the X had a big launch of 80k in the UK which is fact.

Also is fact is the X is selling more than the S did in the same time frame so far, or at least as of last month. Before the X the S was starting to faulter now the Xbox One is up YOY. I'm not seeing this belief the X was going to "close the gap" as you say.

Did you even read your own link?

 

[DForce]

No you are taking something that was never a big deal and trying to make it seem like it was wide spread.

Your own article doesn't say the X sold more than the S either. it has the X at 80,000 and the S at 150,000 a few posts down. the main article is talking about how the X had a big launch of 80k in the UK which is fact.

Also is fact is the X is selling more than the S did in the same time frame so far, or at least as of last month. Before the X the S was starting to faulter now the Xbox One is up YOY. I'm not seeing this belief the X was going to "close the gap" as you say.

Did you even read your own link?

Look at my post and read the thread. I was clearly referring to the 80k I used that forum post to show the behavior of people after it was announced.

Similar to this thread right here.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/wind...-orders-surpass-ps4-pro-ytd-for-2017.1422934/

Also is fact is the X is selling more than the S did in the same time frame so far, or at least as of last month.

The X is selling far less than the S, which is the entire point.

And you want to know about the Xbox One X I was referring to? Well, look at this post.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/xbox-one-x-sales-growing-twice-as-fast-as-ps4-–-argos.71610/

 

[Gavon West]

Then Sony is stupid too -- do you think casuals give a shit about 4k or even know what it is? Please. That's like posting 0-60 times in a minivan commercial.

And that's what Digital Foundry does, they make comparisons. They haven't helped the PS4 get where it is and they won't help the X either. They're an enthusiast-driven site full of technical jargon most casuals are simply not going to understand and don't want to -- they're actually too busy playing their games to care. Hell, I LIKE DF and even I have to scrub forward through some of their videos because they exhaustively cover topics so deeply. There are people on this forum who can't tell the difference between 30 and 60 frames, and others who think they can tell the difference between 900 and 1080 at 15 feet away. Do you really think the audience that only buys a dozen games over an entire generation is really going to watch videos about pixel counting or frame rates? They don't care. They've made their decision and they're usually super stoked about it, whichever one they bought. As I've said before, most people who aren't enthusiasts think these consoles look fucking awesome -- both the base PS4 and the S. To them, it's a giant jump and they're totally happy with either of them, and the last thing they're gonna do is go on forums like these or watch videos dissecting the performance of the systems, or go buy new televisions just to play a game.

None of what you said disproves anything I've said. In fact, I agree with you. But the information from the hardcore who do in fact watch DF videos, relay the information down to the casuals. Because we are in the know, its easier for us to sell to friends and family who relatively like to game, but don't care about the technicalities. Soooo.... tell me how what I said was incorrect or inaccurate?

 

[Dabaus]

The X to me seems like its selling more to people who already own an xbox but want an upgrade. I say this because the software gap in the UK seems recently even more tilted in favor towards the ps4. Im talking 60-70 percent splits on popular 3rd party games. When people say xbox 360 sold 80 million last gen that not exactly 80 million individual unique users, there were a lot of rebuys for rrod 360's. Not saying that rebuys made up a huge amount of all sales but anecdotally I know people who bought 2 or 3.

 

[Afro Republican]

Look at my post and read the thread. I was clearly referring to the 80k I used that forum post to show the behavior of people after it was announced.

Similar to this thread right here.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/wind...-orders-surpass-ps4-pro-ytd-for-2017.1422934/




The X is selling far less than the S, which is the entire point.

And you want to know about the Xbox One X I was referring to? Well, look at this post.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/xbox-one-x-sales-growing-twice-as-fast-as-ps4-–-argos.71610/

You said an article was posted, posted an article that had nothing to do with your statement and now post the article you meant?

I not only that the article isn't wrong. it was talking about growth due to the X not that the X was 'closing the gap' as you said before.

I'm also finding very few posts by users talking about the console closing the gap or X beating the PS4 either. like i said small minority that's barely there.

 

[Afro Republican]

The X to me seems like its selling more to people who already own an xbox but want an upgrade. I say this because the software gap in the UK seems recently even more tilted in favor towards the ps4. Im talking 60-70 percent splits on popular 3rd party games. When people say xbox 360 sold 80 million last gen that not exactly 80 million individual unique users, there were a lot of rebuys for rrod 360's. Not saying that rebuys made up a huge amount of all sales but anecdotally I know people who bought 2 or 3.

Um that only applies to things like Spyro I don't see 60/70% splits for other popular third party games like COD, RDR2, etc.

 

[Bernkastel]

The PS4 launched after the Xbox One. There were no discussions amongst people about power because there were no comparisons being made at that point outside of enthusiasts in the press, which the general public doesn't even see Power hasn't been an issue for decades, and it still isn't an issue; if it were you'd be seeing the base model PS4 and the S dying on the vine while the Pro and X took over the market, but they're not. The only one attempting to rewrite history is you by trying to force your imaginary world off as fact where the more powerful console somehow wins over all the uninformed masses from some kind of osmosis passed down from the hardcore. That's all bullshit, and that's not me saying it's bullshit, but history itself. You've been living in the GAF bubble too long to realize that the lens by which we see the world and the market is vastly different than that of the average consumer who buys a game console. It happened when the Xbox (and Gamecube) both went up against the PS2. It happened when the N64 went up against the Playstation, and it happened when the 360 went up against a Sony platform that was seemingly designed to fail.

EDIT: The reason that the Xbox One lost to the PS4 wasn't because of a disparity of power, but a lack of common sense. It cost $500 and it came with a peripheral no one wanted any more (which Microsoft doubled down on and said if you didn't want Kinect then you don't want an Xbone). That's cancer right there. You choose to ignore all that shit and instead say it was because gamers were told some games ran at 900p instead of 1080p... yeah right. The Xbone would have stood a fighting chance, but between price and the no-worky butthole Kinect controller, power was the least of its worries.

Again, if the goal was to sell the already devoted on a more powerful machine, then the X was absolutely necessary. The general public isn't going to give a shit. To them, the Xbox is the Xbox S.

I need a bit of what you are smoking. Console wars were literally power wars back then. No, one was saying where are the games back them. People love simple narratives like that(they always did), 'its cheaper but more powerful', 'it has more games'. Heck even now the PS5/Scarlet threads are about power.

 

[Afro Republican]

I need a bit of what you are smoking. Console wars were literally power wars back then. No, one was saying where are the games back them. People love simple narratives like that(they always did), 'its cheaper but more powerful', 'it has more games'. Heck even now the PS5/Scarlet threads are about power.

Also he said the PS4 released after the Xbox one which is false.

 

[Dabaus]

Um that only applies to things like Spyro I don't see 60/70% splits for other popular third party games like COD, RDR2, etc.

Pretty sure RDR2 was like 64:36 and COD was 56:44. God only knows what Japanese games splits are like. I wouldn't be shocked at all if Kingdom hearts 3 was something like 90:10. Keep in mind this is the UK, the second best place for xbox, imagine what the rest of the world is like.

 

[Gavon West]

People who think Resolution was a key factor this generation are the same ones who claimed that the Xbox One X was going to be huge and "close the cap" between Sony and Microsoft sales.

This is of course the same fan base who denied the importance of exclusives and are now happy that MS is acquiring studios and gearing up for next generation.

Don't remember the big thread several months ago where it stated that MS is lacking appealing exclusives while people were claiming that wasn't true?

The real reason why MS struggled out of the gate is because they were selling a console for $100 more than the PS4, the major plus for Sony is that it was more powerful, too. The problem is that people think MS lost this gen because of power. They saw that MS sold over 80 million consoles last gen and believe they can recapture the same attention this gen. What people keep forgetting is that this happened because Sony sold the Playstation 3 for $500 - $600. They made the comeback after making major changes.


More people are going to pick a console with Spider-Man, God of War, Last of Us, Horizon Zero Dawn, Uncharted 4 compared to a console that has Horizon 4, Gears of War 4, Halo 5, Sea of Thieves and State of Decay 2. These games can play their Call of Duty, Red Dead Redemption, Fortnite and also play exclusives that find more attractive.

In short, it comes down to games and Sony being more of the popular video game brand.

No one is saying the One lost from the gate soley because of power. It was a heavy stain at the beginning of this gen though.

The real truth comes in when you consider how Sony and PC fans kept moving the goalposts throughout this generation.

1) At first it wasn't about exclusives to Sony fans. It was about 3rd party and indies.

REMEDY: Microsoft receives more indies and 3rd party deals.

SONY FANS: "Well, look at the games. The One is woefully underpowered compared to the PS4.

REMEDY: Microsoft creates the S with a new sleek design and word of a mid gen refresh starts circulating.

SONY FANS: "Well, we have better exclusives now. 3rd party never mattered, and no one cares about resolution anyway.

3) SONY FANS: Xbox has no games.

REMEDY: Microsoft unleashes the X onto the world, claiming the power advantage once and for all. Word spreads that Microsoft is knee deep in acquiring studios to bolster their 1st party portfolio.

SONY FANS: Well, that's not a big deal. Let's wait a full generation to see if they've really changed in how they manage game studios. Plus, there's no guarantee that any of the games will be any good. Who are Ninja Theory, Playground Games, The Initiative, Obsidian, InXile, Undead Labs and the other guys again? They sound like mediocre development houses. No way they're on the same level as Sony's 1st party. It'll take at least a generation to get that good.


Anyone else seeing a patter here?

You gotta wonder where the goal posts will move next after Microsoft unleashes brand new IP's from the new studio acquisitions. And has the most powerful console on the market again. There's really no telling. But I'm sure they'll move...

 

[DForce]

You said an article was posted, posted an article that had nothing to do with your statement and now post the article you meant?

I not only that the article isn't wrong. it was talking about growth due to the X not that the X was 'closing the gap' as you said before.

I'm also finding very few posts by users talking about the console closing the gap or X beating the PS4 either. like i said small minority that's barely there.

Again, you're not paying attention and your level of comprehension is horrid. I mention SEVERAL points throughout my posts and I posted forum links (not articles) that relates to one of the specific points I was talking about.

I not only that the article isn't wrong. it was talking about growth due to the X not that the X was 'closing the gap' as you said before.

It's talking about Xbox One X sales and PS4 sales when the sales are Xbox One X AND Xbox One S.

I'm also finding very few posts by users talking about the console closing the gap or X beating the PS4 either. like i said small minority that's barely there.

Hmm.. I thought I mentioned twitter and forum posts. If I show you witter posts, are you going to brush it aside as "small minority" of this fan base?

 

[Afro Republican]

Again, you're not paying attention and your level of comprehension is horrid. I mention SEVERAL points throughout my posts and I posted forum links (not articles) that relates to one of the specific points I was talking about.




It's talking about Xbox One X sales and PS4 sales when the sales are Xbox One X AND Xbox One S.



Hmm.. I thought I mentioned twitter and forum posts. If I show you witter posts, are you going to brush it aside as "small minority" of this fan base?

Post 100 unique people and than I might believe you that there was a significant number of people talking about the X suddenly beating or going to "close the gap" yes i looke dthrough your forums it's very few people and some were directly joking.

Also might comprehension is fine you just forgot what you posted:

Recently, there was an article posted about a month ago stating that the Xbox One X was being sold more than the Xbox One S (a misleading\false article)

Not only was the first link after you made this statement not the article, but the link you posted latter shows the Article is not false. The article says "Sales for the Xbox One X have grown by 22% so far this year, dwarfing the 11% rise in PS4 sales and 9% rise in Nintendo Switch sales." and that's the article you said was misleading and false.

 

[DForce]

No one is saying the One lost from the gate soley because of power. It was a heavy stain at the beginning of this gen though.

The real truth comes in when you consider how Sony and PC fans kept moving the goalposts throughout this generation.

1) At first it wasn't about exclusives to Sony fans. It was about 3rd party and indies.

REMEDY: Microsoft receives more indies and 3rd party deals.

SONY FANS: "Well, look at the games. The One is woefully underpowered compared to the PS4.

REMEDY: Microsoft creates the S with a new sleek design and word of a mid gen refresh starts circulating.

SONY FANS: "Well, we have better exclusives now. 3rd party never mattered, and no one cares about resolution anyway.

3) Xbox has no games.

REMEDY: Microsoft unleashes the X onto the world, claiming the power advantage once and for all. Word spreads that Microsoft is knee deep in acquiring studios to bolster their 1st party portfolio.

SONY FANS: Well, that's not a big deal. Let's wait a full generation to see if they've really changed in how they manage game studios. I don't trust em!


Anyone else seeing a patter here?

You gotta wonder where the goal posts will move next after Microsoft unleashes brand new IP's from the new studio acquisitions. There's really no telling. But I'm sure they'll move again...

It's funny when fan boys talk about Sony fans moving the goalpost.

Do you really want to talk about that?

Let me start.

- Xbox Fans said they would rather have better frame-rate over resolution earlier this generation.

- DX12 and the Cloud was hyped from hell and back as something that will close the gap in power between the PS4 and Xbox One. Quantum Break was ciritized for 720p because of the DX12 hype that was surrounded around the Xbox One console. People actually believed the Quantum Break, Rise of the Tomb Raider, and Halo 5, StarWars Battlefront was going to benefit a lot from DX12.

- The "PS4 has no games" was the big narrative this generation. Many PS games were discredited because they were indies, remasters and NOT true exclusives.

- The "Xbox has no games" started when PS games started going to PC after being critized for Xbox fans for not having true exclusives (MLB, TLOU, Persona 5 on PS3).

- PS fans always cared about exclusives, but according to Xbox fans, no one cared about those "niche japanese games, remasters and indies."

- Xbox One X was announced and Xbox fans said people cared about the best version of multi-platform titles and PS fans said people care about exclusives. MS announced that it was the "Fastest selling pre-orders" and it sold 80k in the UK, which made Xbox fanboys brag and say, "SonyGAF sold me it wasn't going to sell?" As it turns out, that so called "SonyGAF' was right. Power of the X didn't make a dent and exclusives are making over.

-Xbox fans continue to minimize the impact of exclusives.

So yes, don't talk about people moving the goalpost. lol

 

[DForce]

Post 100 unique people and than I might believe you that there was a significant number of people talking about the X suddenly beating or going to "close the gap" yes i looke dthrough your forums it's very few people and some were directly joking.

Also might comprehension is fine you just forgot what you posted:



Not only was the first link after you made this statement not the article, but the link you posted latter shows the Article is not false. The article says "Sales for the Xbox One X have grown by 22% so far this year, dwarfing the 11% rise in PS4 sales and 9% rise in Nintendo Switch sales." and that's the article you said was misleading and false.

No, it's not fine. There's reason why the thread was closed and that's because it was flawed. Maybe you should consider that before trying to make excuses for it.

Post 100 unique people? If 5 or 6 people make a post on twitter and it's backed up by with over 100 likes and retweets, what does that mean?

 

[Afro Republican]

No, it's not fine. There's reason why the thread was closed and that's because it was flawed. Maybe you should consider that before trying to make excuses for it.

Post 100 unique people? If 5 or 6 people make a post on twitter and it's backed up by with over 100 likes and retweets, what does that mean?

I'm not making excuses for it, you're the one trying to be deceptive and act like a large number of people were saying the gap was closing or the would give Xbox victory over the PS4. I've looked through your threads, it was, outside trolls, a handful of people.

I'm not seeing all these people you keep talking about. Just a small minority like I said.

Also several people who don't like trump, retweet and like trumps posts, as well as bots so ummmmm.

 

[Elenchus]

People who think Resolution was a key factor this generation are the same ones who claimed that the Xbox One X was going to be huge and "close the cap" between Sony and Microsoft sales.

I never made this claim so your entire post is irrelevant to the comment I actually made. If you’re going to argue against strawmen, you can do that without tagging me. Please avoid doing that going forward. Thanks.

 

[DForce]

I never made this claim so your entire post is irrelevant to the comment I actually made. If you’re going to argue against strawmen, you can do that without tagging me. Please avoid doing that going forward. Thanks.

Then your argument of "resolution was a key factor" this gen makes no sense. Xbox One X didn't help

Please avoid making such claims just on narratives spread by the fanboys across social media. Thanks.

 

[DForce]

I'm not making excuses for it, you're the one trying to be deceptive and act like a large number of people were saying the gap was closing or the would give Xbox victory over the PS4. I've looked through your threads, it was, outside trolls, a handful of people.

I'm not seeing all these people you keep talking about. Just a small minority like I said.

Also several people who don't like trump, retweet and like trumps posts, as well as bots so ummmmm.

I see what goes on twitter. I also know that some people on here actively engage in these fanboys wars on twitter, so it's not unknown.

I refrained from trying to give these guys attention, but if you want to see what goes on, then here.




Based on your logic, these guys are making up claims, even though they were sold by many of the fans that Xbox was going to start winning NPDs.

This guy is more reasonable but still. He knows that the fan base thought it was going to be huge.


https://twitter.com/search?q=nov npd xbox&src=typd

 

[EDMIX]

That's fine. Everyone has their own threshold for placing confidence in MS, and clearly your threshold is very high.

But at the same time, I think it's disingenuous to pretend that nothing new has happened, and that it's all just more of the same empty promises.

? No one is pretending nothing new is happening, that just seems to be a narrative you folks keep trying to force to argue over junk. So...something is happening, if they will keep it up and if it will be any good is still actually a waiting game.

 

[Afro Republican]

I see what goes on twitter. I also know that some people on here actively engage in these fanboys wars on twitter, so it's not unknown.

I refrained from trying to give these guys attention, but if you want to see what goes on, then here.




Based on your logic, these guys are making up claims, even though they were sold by many of the fans that Xbox was going to start winning NPDs.

This guy is more reasonable but still. He knows that the fan base thought it was going to be huge.


https://twitter.com/search?q=nov npd xbox&src=typd

your twitter link includes post from 2009 and 2015.

Again like I said it's a small amount. most never even heard of anyone thinking the X was going to close the gap. i've looked at threads here, on IGN, and Reset and even reddit and that's just not a thing that was said in any significant amount.

 

[DForce]

your twitter link includes post from 2009 and 2015.

Again like I said it's a small amount. most never even heard of anyone thinking the X was going to close the gap. i've looked at threads here, on IGN, and Reset and even reddit and that's just not a thing that was said in any significant amount.

Not a small amount. You're ignoring the evidence and refusing to look at the content in which I'm posting. If I go to these fanboy channels, will I find people talking about Xbox making a comeback? Or are you going to move the goalpost again?

And from 2009 and 2015? Dude, there's post from 2017. You clearly just looked at the first few and just stopped looking..

You're just going to deny the evidence no matter what.

 

[Afro Republican]

Not a small amount. You're ignoring the evidence and refusing to look at the content in which I'm posting. If I go to these fanboy channels, will I find people talking about Xbox making a comeback? Or are you going to move the goalpost again?

And from 2009 and 2015? Dude, there's post from 2017. You clearly just looked at the first few and just stopped looking..

You're just going to deny the evidence no matter what.

Yes a few fanboy channels. That's a small amount.

I looked through numerous tweets and forums and I am not even finding 100 people. it's something your over blowing. If you want we can even count together post your links if you want. It's not a real issue.

You're making this more about me denying people said it, which I'm not, the issue is you saying it was a significant amount of people when outside of trolls you have some dozens across a few forums and a few youtube videos. Most everyone else was not saying the C was going to "come back" or was "closing the gap" in any significant number. If you can show me a significant amount than I'd believe you but you haven't. You gave me forums with a small number of people and I had to add MY OWN forum research to reach a few dozens.

I looked through Twitter posts the last year and outside obvious trolls only a few dozen nobodys and a few people with over 2000 followers believed it. it's just not a thing. I didn't "stop" looking you just posted a horrible twitter link with various dates. Even doing a manual search myself there's nothing that shows a significant amount.

Even some of the big huge follower count guys said it wasn't going to win or didn't even mention the X closing anything at all. Those are the guys most people will see.

You can't show me even here or on era a thread were multiple people were saying it to back up your belief there was a significant amount? I couldn't find 100 people combing EVERYTHING together. Come on now.

 

[DForce]

Yes a few fanboy channels. That's a small amount.

I looked through numerous tweets and forums and I am not even finding 100 people. it's something your over blowing. If you want we can even count together post your links if you want. It's not a real issue.

You're making this more about me denying people said it, which I'm not, the issue is you saying it was a significant amount of people when outside of trolls you have some dozens across a few forums and a few youtube videos. Most everyone else was not saying the C was going to "come back" or was "closing the gap" in any significant number. If you can show me a significant amount than I'd believe you but you haven't. You gave me forums with a small number of people and I had to add MY OWN forum research to reach a few dozens. I looked through Twitter posts the last year and outside obvious trolls only a few dozen nobodys and a few people with over 2000 followers believed it. it's just not a thing. You're the only guy pointing it out.

And you're downplaying it. These fanboy channels have over 10k subs. They're a huge contributor to the console war we see today and their false narratives are being spread throughout the internet.

"You don't have to find specific words about "come back" or "closing the gap" as you have to find things that allude to it, such as winning NPDs and winning the US.

Fact is, you're going to downplay it no matter what. Closing the gap doesn't even mean they will be close in sales numbers, it really means they're going to make the gap smaller, which PEOPLE believed. They were not talking about making a huge come back WW, but in the US in particular. The gap between Xbox One and PS4 sales are around 3 million apart and they believe Xbox could win the US, which again is closing the gap.

 

[Afro Republican]

And you're downplaying it. These fanboy channels have over 10k subs. They're a huge contributor to the console war

No they aren't. 10k subs doesn't mean anything by itself if you know how Youtube works. Judging from the channels views and the statistics not even half of that is active. Meanwhile guys with 50k-1 million subscribers are saying otherwise.

I'm not downplaying anything your inflating a small insignificant number that most people haven't even seen even on hardcore gaming boards like era there's a handful. The fact you can't show me a significant amount on a niche hardcore gaming board should already tell you there's no significance.

You don't have a single piece of evidence showing a significant amount of people were thinking that in seriousness. it's a few dozens of people. People many don't even no about. You keep positing this int he same manner as me saying no one said it because you don't have anything.

I never said no one said it but you are clearly overdoing this. There is no significant number. I've looked at all your links, your videos, and added my own forums to the mix with IGN, Gamespot etc, and I've found very few people believing this. You keep acting like it's enough people for some people browsing the web to see it and also fall for it, that's not the case.

You don't have anything to downplay but you have a lot to upplay, and are doing so. I've even found 3 more reset threads about X sales and i found a grand total of 7 people whoo.

 

[DForce]

No they aren't. 10k subs doesn't mean anything by itself if you know how Youtube works. Judging from the channels views and the statistics not even half of that is active. Meanwhile guys with 50k-1 million subscribers are saying otherwise.

I'm not downplaying anything your inflating a small insignificant number that most people haven't even seen even on hardcore gaming boards like era there's a handful. The fact you can't show me a significant amount on a niche hardcore gaming board should already tell you there's no significance.

You don't have a single piece of evidence showing a significant amount of people were thinking that in seriousness. it's a few dozens of people. People many don't even no about. You keep positing this int he same manner as me saying no one said it because you don't have anything.

I never said no one said it but you are clearly overdoing this. There is no significant number. I've looked at all your links, your videos, and added my own forums to the mix with IGN, Gamespot etc, and I've found very few people believing this. You keep acting like it's enough people for some people browsing the web to see it and also fall for it, that's not the case.

You don't have anything to downplay but you have a lot to upplay, and are doing so. I've even found 3 more reset threads about X sales and i found a grand total of 7 people whoo.

More downplaying.


I said over 10K. More than 100 people can believe a false narrative even if a person has 10K subs.

Yes, you can ignore the fact that people are saying casuals care about the best versions of multi-plats and that the Pro was in trouble.

You can deny it all you want. There's no one overdoing this, you're just choosing to ignore the obvious because a fan base has a habit of spewing ignorance.

 

[Afro Republican]

More downplaying.


I said over 10K. More than 100 people can believe a false narrative even if a person has 10K subs.

Yes, you can ignore the fact that people are saying casuals care about the best versions of multi-plats and that the Pro was in trouble.

You can deny it all you want. There's no one overdoing this, you're just choosing to ignore the obvious because a fan base has a habit of spewing ignorance.

You're now mixing up statements. The X releasing and "the pro being in trouble" is not the same as "The x will close the gap with the PS4 (general)" as the X from the last info we got was selling better than the Pro in the same time frame and has a better launch.

You seem to be trying your best to pretend there was a wide narrative of the X 'closing the gap" or anything similar to the point your taking other statements out of context.

For example you probably put "The x will outsell the pro ltd" in the same category as "The x will chance Xbox ones situation/closing the gap" when it very well could be the X outsells the pro ltd.

Or something like "The X will improve Xbox one overall sales" which is currently true and has been a thing for months. That doesn't mean that the X will "close the gap" though.

It's just not a thing that's significant. You keep trying to spin things but it's just not a fact that a significant amount of people believed the X was going to close some gap or so anything similar to that, and you taking wording out of context to try and inflate the number shows you're desperately trying to overplay it.

 

[Humdinger]

? No one is pretending nothing new is happening, that just seems to be a narrative you folks keep trying to force to argue over junk.

Huh? "Us folks" are trying to force a narrative that nothing is happening? That's the opposite of the narrative I'm trying to force. Disconnect.

 

[DForce]

You're now mixing up statements. The X releasing and "the pro being in trouble" is not the same as "The x will close the gap with the PS4 (general)" as the X from the last info we got was selling better than the Pro in the same time frame and has a better launch.

You seem to be trying your best to pretend there was a wide narrative of the X 'closing the gap" or anything similar to the point your taking other statements out of context.

For example you probably put "The x will outsell the pro ltd" in the same category as "The x will chance Xbox ones situation/closing the gap" when it very well could be the X outsells the pro ltd.

Or something like "The X will improve Xbox one overall sales" which is currently true and has been a thing for months. That doesn't mean that the X will "close the gap" though.

It's just not a thing that's significant. You keep trying to spin things but it's just not a fact that a significant amount of people believed the X was going to close some gap or so anything similar to that, and you taking wording out of context to try and inflate the number shows you're desperately trying to overplay it.

More excuses. The video talks about Xbox One X outselling the Pro and then it ends with "The comeback has begun."

What he means by comeback is OBVIOUS.

Just stop it. You're just going to spin and damage control everything when facts are right in front of your face.



Firs you said there was only like 10 people.
Then you said it was a couple.
Now you're saying you need more than 100 people to start saying it and then you'll believe it.


It's clear you want to push aside any evidence that people believed this and that you will move the goalpost just to ignore the evidence that I provided.

 

[Afro Republican]

More excuses. The video talks about Xbox One X outselling the Pro and then it ends with "The comeback has begun."

What he means by comeback is OBVIOUS.

Just stop it. You're just going to spin and damage control everything when facts are right in front of your face.



Firs you said there was only like 10 people.
Then you said it was a couple.
Now you're saying you need more than 100 people to start saying it and then you'll believe it.


It's clear you want to push aside any evidence that people believed this and that you will move the goalpost just to ignore the evidence that I provided.

Now you're backpedaling. Show me the significant number, you said many. So where are they? Don't backtrack and say 'oh look this one youtube video said comeback" where are the significant amount of people?

You're starting to enter strawman territory, taking quotes out of context, using one case of someone saying comeback as 'significant amounts of people" no you need to show the significant amount you implied. To the point where it spread around. Because otherwise it's time for you to admit it's just a niche small group.

"come back" isn't eve a dozen people in the forum links you posted. I only found a few on twitter. It's all in your head. You can find all the 2 and 3 people you want but you claimed a significant amount and I'm still waiting for it.

The only one moving goal posts is you because you're the only one who have changed the focus of the discussion. Just because you have A video of ONE guy or so saying "COMEBACK" doesn't give you ground to use that as evidence of "a significant amount" show me a significant amount saying comeback or quit.

The fact you're no longer defending your previous links and switched exclusively to the video shows your just trolling.

 

[EDMIX]

Huh? "Us folks" are trying to force a narrative that nothing is happening? That's the opposite of the narrative I'm trying to force. Disconnect.

Ok, then stop saying stuff like this

"I think it's disingenuous to pretend that nothing new has happened"

No one is saying that nothing new has happened....

You are arguing a point no one has made.

 

[DForce]

Now you're backpedaling. Show me the significant number, you said many. So where are they? Don't backtrack and say 'oh look this one youtube video said comeback" where are the significant amount of people?

You're starting to enter strawman territory, taking quotes out of context, using one case of someone saying comeback as 'significant amounts of people" no you need to show the significant amount you implied. To the point where it spread around. Because otherwise it's time for you to admit it's just a niche small group.

"come back" isn't eve a dozen people in the forum links you posted. I only found a few on twitter. It's all in your head. You can find all the 2 and 3 people you want but you claimed a significant amount and I'm still waiting for it.

The only one moving goal posts is you because you're the only one who have changed the focus of the discussion. Just because you have A video of ONE guy or so saying "COMEBACK" doesn't give you ground to use that as evidence of "a significant amount" show me a significant amount saying comeback or quit.

The fact you're no longer defending your previous links and switched exclusively to the video shows your just trolling.

There's no back peddling. I've showed you people saying comeback, closing the gap etc, yet you want to move the goalpost from 10 people to 100 people.

The only one moving goal post?

Did you first say it was only 10 people then change it to 100? I can show more people, but clearly you're just going to make excuses.

 

[Afro Republican]

There's no back peddling. I've showed you people saying comeback, closing the gap etc, yet you want to move the goalpost from 10 people to 100 people.

The only one moving goal post?

Did you first say it was only 10 people then change it to 100? I can show more people, but clearly you're just going to make excuses.

You haven't shown 100 people making the statement or anything similar. You've dropped your old defense and focused on a Youtube Video, you moved the goal posts to subscribers on YouTube which has nothing to do with 100 people MAKING the statement, but you tried making it one. You talked about a misleading article that never existed.

i'm still waiting for the original 100 people I asked about. Where are they? And don't take their quotes out of context either they need to match what you said.

 

[DForce]

You haven't shown 100 people making the statement or anything similar. You've dropped your old defense and focused on a Youtube Video, you moved the goal posts to subscribers on YouTube which has nothing to do with 100 people MAKING the statement, but you tried making it one. You talked about a misleading article that never existed.

i'm still waiting for the original 100 people I asked about. Where are they? And don't take their quotes out of context either they need to match what you said.

You ignored the question. Did you say there was only like 10 and then moved it to 100?

 

[Afro Republican]

You ignored the question. Did you say there was only like 10 and then moved it to 100?

I didn't move anything. You didn't claim the significant large amounts of people until after the original post and then i presented the challenge of 100 people and you accepted it and still have not provided 100 people.

What you're trying to do is backtrack the argument to the point where you get to start over but that's not how this works. You made the claim that

No. Forums, twitter etc. was going crazy with people thinking Xbox was going to have a huge year and starting winning NPDs. The results didn't turn out the way they want an the power argument failed.

which was a more serious claim and I called you on that and you have yet to find 100 people. Don't try moving the goal posts to save face. There isn't a significant amount of people who were or are 'going crazy" thinking Xbox will win NPDS or close any gaps.