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[LordRaptor]

The difference is that now it feels much more ok to post "centrist" views here. Center opinions became increasingly more hated in OldGaf and trying to look things from many sides and see if there's a middle ground felt that you absolutely have to pick your words right or you will get dogpiled or even get banned. Now it doesn't feel like that anymore here and while I can't say what it is on Era as I don't visit that site much at all I would assume it at least hasn't got better there. Like, it's kinda amazing how it even could be so that you felt you were walking on eggshells for trying to find a middle ground.

I literally just got permed on era for saying that internet mobs are a bad thing that people shouldn't participate in, which I don't even think is a particularly 'moderate' position to have

 

[Pagusas]

The two forums are a pretty good example of how there’s almost no more middle ground politically, you either view everything the other side does as completely backwards or you try to engage the other opinion with no intention but to win. I’m guilty, since some of the more conservative opinions I see here recently are like nails on a chalkboard. Should people be instantly banned for voicing them? Nope. But I also feel like I wouldn’t engage in any kind of discussion that’s pretty much slamming your head against a wall.

That’s how I feel also, but for both sites. Some opinions I read on Era are just horrible, and the overal crowd their is completely tone deaf to the real world.

Some gaffers have some weird/insanely horrible opinions too that just make me shake my head.

Overall I see both sites as being full of stubborn idiotic people, and a few really good people I like to hear from. At the end of the day it’s good to remind ones self that the opinions of these sites have ABSOLUTELY NO INFLUENCE on the real world. These are game sites, would you walk into a LAN party or gamestore and expect any form of good political discussion, or really care for anything anyone said? Once you remember that it’s much easier to just sit back and enjoy the sites.

 

[dolabla]

Lmao! Just saw the new redesign. What a blatant ripoff of nearly everything GAF.

 

[Whitecrow]

Stop sweating internet strangers. The ignore button is there for a reason. Cant have profitable discussions on the gaming side when its a wasteland. Tried to see what was going on in the BFV thread here, and its straight barebones compared to how Gaf used to pop off on gaming OT's. All I heard during the implosion was "lets get back talking about games" and its just not there yet.

And what if it's a wasteland?

GAF vs Era is not a discussion about content. Is about normal people vs dangerous brain-washing sect.
I dont blame anyone for having Era as a news source, but as community engaging and interaction, Era should be out of the equation for all people with some remaining common sense.

EDIT
And LMAO at those saying that GAF is the other extreme just because they can tolerate wider spectrum of opinions.
At when age do people learn that there's also shades of gray, instead of just black or white?

 

[The Elite]

Lmao! Just saw the new redesign. What a blatant ripoff of nearly everything GAF.

I assume it's a standard style upgrade for this type of forum system. I don't think they are ripping off as much as just updating to the latest available style features.

I could be wrong though.

 

[Stouffers]

Let’s not pretend the “problems” with Resetera, it’s moderation style, and it’s penchant for hive-minded mob-rule didn’t originate here on Gaf.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

That’s how I feel also, but for both sites. Some opinions I read on Era are just horrible, and the overal crowd their is completely tone deaf to the real world.

Some gaffers have some weird/insanely horrible opinions too that just make me shake my head.

Overall I see both sites as being full of stubborn idiotic people, and a few really good people I like to hear from. At the end of the day it’s good to remind ones self that the opinions of these sites have ABSOLUTELY NO INFLUENCE on the real world. These are game sites, would you walk into a LAN party or gamestore and expect any form of good political discussion, or really care for anything anyone said? Once you remember that it’s much easier to just sit back and enjoy the sites.

Yep. Mostly post over there (different user name). Came back here for a while, but it's just too slow.

I have no real interest in having serious discussions on forums anymore, and zero interest in the political or social stuff. That said, I'm very far left so I get triggered by terrible opinions/views on here more than there, and the moderation there doesn't affect me as I stay out of those type of threads.

The main thing for me is I just use forums as gaming news aggregators, shooting the shit about what I'm playing and occasionally laughing at silly threads in off topic. Here is just too slow for that purpose. I thought splitting politics out would help traffic in OT in other threads, but it really didn't and just made it even slower. Gaming is picking up steam gradually so I keep an eye on that. But the gaming side of Reset is so active, has great OTs and so on and its easy to avoid the nonsense by not clicking on outrage type threads. That stuff rarely makes it into game OTs as they do a good job of confining that to dedicated threads (and you can report people bitching about those things in an OT when there is a dedicated thread and the mods handle it--like shit about Rockstar crunch early in the RDR2 OT when there were long threads dedicated to that).

But yeah, this site is better for people wanting to have actual debates on social/political things for sure since a variety of views are allowed. Just have to have thick skin as there are some pretty bad views that are just bigots straddling the line from the type of posts that get bans. But you see shit just as bad from the other side on Reset so it is what it is. I wasted too much time and energy on those kind of pointless arguments online in my 20s to early 30s and I'm certainly not getting back into them in my 40s. No one online ever changes their mind so it's a waste of time and the older I get the less shits I give about anything but enjoying my life, friends and family anyway.

 

[dolabla]

I assume it's a standard style upgrade for this type of forum system. I don't think they are ripping off as much as just updating to the latest available style features.

I could be wrong though.

I could see that, but the stuff like online statistics (which I don't remember before), the vault (archives here on GAF) with close to the same language, etc. It's way too close to GAF.

 

[Lady Bird]

Let’s not pretend the “problems” with Resetera, it’s moderation style, and it’s penchant for hive-minded mob-rule didn’t originate here on Gaf.

Quite the contrary, people here are quite aware of that.

 

[Jesus Carbomb]

I ride or die with M Mister Apoc . Wherever he goes I'll follow.

Edit: Shout out to the B/S/T crew over at Reset. Some really good people in that community.

 

[Raptomex]

Yes. I get my gaming news and info from both sites.

 

[Mihos]

I still have an account there, but I seriously don't fit in with their culture. And not fitting in is a serious crime over there.

 

[dolabla]

Let’s not pretend the “problems” with Resetera, it’s moderation style, and it’s penchant for hive-minded mob-rule didn’t originate here on Gaf.

No doubt that the cancer originated on here. That is why we are all pretty dang happy on here now since those specific posters found their new hug box and are no longer trashing up this board with the mods doing their dirty work. Now they can keep it all contained in one place and fight over who's the more oppressed.

 

[Sosokrates]

To post on ERA you have to follow these rules.

1. Be pro playstation
2. Be on the left side of politics.

If you follow these rules the chances of a ban are greatly reduced.

Also, some of the stuff a bunch of posters say on resetera is so crazy and out there it almost seems like you have an inner circle of posters and mods that are trying set a narrative. It's far to consistent to be a natural forum environment with lots of varried opinions.

 

[dorkimoe]

Edit
Oh and yes...mods here are great and there is definitely some good grass roots coming through...will take time but it will grow bigger.

Glad to hear. Guess I’m coming back here. If only I could have my original account back .
Don’t ban me for making another account. I was told we were starting over. And I was banned by the original regime not for account suicide.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Let’s not pretend the “problems” with Resetera, it’s moderation style, and it’s penchant for hive-minded mob-rule didn’t originate here on Gaf.

Literally everyone knows that, which is why people don't like (or want) to see that imbecilic mindset return.

To post on ERA you have to follow these rules.

1. Be pro playstation
2. Be on the far-left side of politics.

If you follow these rules the chances of a ban are greatly reduced.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Dr. Claus]

Glad to hear. Guess I’m coming back here. If only I could have my original account back .
Don’t ban me for making another account. I was told we were starting over. And I was banned by the original regime not for account suicide.

EviLore May be able to help you. He has helped a number of people get their original accounts back (and merged) after the BS bans that they received under the old moderation team.

 

[LordRaptor]

Quite the contrary, people here are quite aware of that.

Yeah, you accurately summarised how things went in your post earlier in the thread.
The moderation here had become stifling to conversation, not conducive to it, and there were all sorts of shitty moderator actions happening via the anonymity of modbot, so eras promises for things like more transparency on moderator behaviours and decisions was welcome.

But it didn't last long, and is now literally worse than GAF ever was, even at its worst.
Things that aren't (or shouldn't be) bannable now routinely are, and obfuscated by weasel worded ban messages like "disingenuous", "bad faith" and "false equivalency" even where a post is clearly making a statement they believe in, explaining why they hold that position, and making a relevant analogy to the underlying point they are addressing.
Even worse is the "history of ___" addendum used to prop up a bullshit ban, because nobody except the moderators can ever see these supposed "histories", and the site that compiles them - explicitly against Eras wishes - often shows that these supposed "histories" are entirely fictitious or irrelevant to a ban they supposedly support.

Like... if you want an example of the old adage about power corrupting... resetera is barely a year old.

 

[Grieves]

I've got an account over there but I'm white and I've seen too much anti-white racism over there that goes un-moderated that I don't often bother going over there anymore.

It doesn't bother me, I just don't see why I should tolerate some of the attitudes over there.

 

[Lady Bird]

To post on ERA you have to follow to rules.

1. Be pro playstation
2. Be on the left side of politics.

If you follow these rules the chances of a ban a greatly reduced.

I'm on the left side of politics, and the last time I posted there, I've had a group of about 5-10 members studying and refreshing my profile history, with one in particular stating (IN CAPS LOCK) that my posting patterns severely implied that I was an alt-righter or something. So no, being left won't protect you.

 

[Sosokrates]

I'm on the left side of politics, and the last time I posted there, I've had a group of about 5-10 members studying and refreshing my profile history, with one in particular stating (IN CAPS LOCK) that my posting patterns severely implied that I was an alt-righter or something. So no, being left won't protect you neither.

What were you posting about?

Chances are you were not left enough.

A thing that happens at era is you will get multiple posters quoting you like a pack of hienyas, if your opinion is in the minority it will sometimes result in a ban.

 

[JordanN]

That’s how I feel also, but for both sites. Some opinions I read on Era are just horrible, and the overal crowd their is completely tone deaf to the real world.

Some gaffers have some weird/insanely horrible opinions too that just make me shake my head.

Out of curiosity, can you post these "weird/insane" opinions you see on GAF?

On Resetera, it is very common to see posts calling for Trump's assassination, users who want to strip white people of human rights, or posts that openly thrash men and prop up Feminism.

On GAF, the only "extreme" viewpoint I ever saw related to LGBT topics. Anytime a user ever went more extreme then that, they've been punished.

There's a reason we have a thread that discusses Reset's lunacy. That's 133 pages that covers bigotry and racial hatred only comparable to hate sites like Stormfront.

 

[Nymphae]

I completely stopped visiting. Major news will make it's way here. Things move too fast over there and there are simply too many voices in any given thread in my opinion, that many users does not make the place feel like a community in my mind. You reach a point of diminishing returns with the size of your userbase I think. I really enjoy the size and pace of current Neogaf.

Era'ers can say what they will about this place, but it's a far more welcoming community. I was banned from Era for vilifying games journalism in a post where I mocked Polygon for something or other. We've all seen the ridiculous ban messages given out at Era, I don't know why people would want to be a part of something where the people in control exert their power in that manner.

 

[petran79]

Still perma-banned fortunately. Apparently quoting rhetoric and spreading rhetoric have the same meaning to them....:

"You have been banned for the following reason: Spreading rhetoric associated with hate and harassment movements. Ban changed to permanent after review.."

they do not care about your left views, color, race, gender either. Forum wants sacrifices and if there are none, it will search into its own members (1984 Steiner)

 

[dolabla]

I've got an account over there but I'm white and I've seen too much anti-white racism over there that goes un-moderated that I don't often bother going over there anymore.

It doesn't bother me, I just don't see why I should tolerate some of the attitudes over there.

I've said this before and I'll say it again, I don't know if there is another forum out there that's obsessed with skin color as they are. Maybe Stormfront? They can literally bring skin color into anything.

It's not really surprising considering the shittiest of shittiest posters from Old GAF migrated over there in droves.

 

[JordanN]

Still perma-banned fortunately. Apparently quoting rhetoric and spreading rhetoric have the same meaning to them....:

"You have been banned for the following reason: Spreading rhetoric associated with hate and harassment movements. Ban changed to permanent after review.."

they do not care about your left views, color, race, gender either. Forum wants sacrifices and if there are none, it will search into its own members (1984 Steiner)

To see Reset's true colors, follow any topic about Black Conservatives. They have more hatred for black people who can think for themselves than a Klan member or Nazi.

It is the only forum I know that openly calls black people "coons" and "uncle toms" that isn't 4chan/stormfront.

 

[dorkimoe]

EviLore Any chance for an old account back?

 

[Deleted member 752119]

To post on ERA you have to follow these rules.

1. Be pro playstation

I never really got that Sony bias complaint about there or GAF before. If anything it's the Nintendo fanboys that drove/drive me nuts.

On the Sony/MS side it seems to just go with who's leading. Last gen the US userbase was mostly on 360 as their main. Many/most (myself included) jumped to PS4 this gen with the shitty Xbox One launch and lackluster (to most) exclusives all gen if you're not a Forza/Halo/Gears/Online game fan. There is a large European user base though and that's always been Playstation land since the PS1, so I suppose that may skew it some I guess. I stay the hell away from console sales threads and other fanboy nonsense in any case. Just game news and game OTs for me for the most part.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

EviLore Any chance for an old account back?

PM him with your old username and ask him to merge this new account with that one and give you that name back. I did that when I first came back over here (I account suicided/requested a ban months before the meltdown as I was just sick of the tone of the place at the time--fanboy nonsense that wasn't well modded anymore).

 

[dorkimoe]

PM him with your old username and ask him to merge this new account with that one and give you that name back. I did that when I first came back over here (I account suicided/requested a ban months before the meltdown as I was just sick of the tone of the place at the time--fanboy nonsense that wasn't well modded anymore).

Awesome. Thank you

 

[dolabla]

To see Reset's true colors, follow any topic about Black Conservatives. They have more hatred for black people who can think for themselves than a Klan member or Nazi.

It is the only forum I know that openly calls black people "coons" and "uncle toms" that isn't 4chan/stormfront.

They remind me of this meme:

 

[Palliasso]

I assume it's a standard style upgrade for this type of forum system. I don't think they are ripping off as much as just updating to the latest available style features.

I could be wrong though.

There is definitely more to it than that. Unfortunately I can't really say any more than that at this time.

For reference, this is what the default Xenforo 2 skin looks like:

 

[caffeware]

Don’t bring your whiny shit back here just because you got banned from Ree Era over the name Kike.

This is too funny.

 

[Sosokrates]

What I found funny about era is they were saying bush senior who recently died is a bad person who killed many and he won't be missed etc

But if you say "but Obama was also responsible for 100s of deaths with his drone strikes" they will have a double standard for there Saint Obama.

 

[Lady Bird]

There is definitely more to it than that. Unfortunately I can't really say any more than that at this time.

For reference, this is what the default Xenforo 2 skin looks like:

So, they copied gaf's design, but tried to make it slightly better in advance? (Squared avatars, simpler/ more elegant look.) That's... interesting.

 

[Soapbox Killer]

I would love to see this played out in some online shooter.

ERA vs. GAF SPLATFEST or Fortnite. Ultimately the clans must re-unite but we are not yet ready for that burden.

#unitetheclans

 

[Kadin]

Morning everyone


We decided to let this thread run individually as opposed to merging it with the general off site community discussion. As has been noted era does have a captive audience due to fast aggregation - something GAF was noted for. An amalgamation of reddit, 4chan and all other sources in one big pot. And as a result, some members of that captive audience may want to have a voice in a seperate thread than the latest meltdown highlight. And it's right that we give those honest voices a platform to have an input.


It's not lost on our own staff when certain newGaf policies, standards and ideas supplant those already in place at other places. So to address some of the more pertinent points made in here


1. Traffic and members are increasing, and post count at the start of November was still trending up significantly. Thread creation is not as active as posts per thread, which mirrors what we see - generally the new/?old? cohort of posters prefer a longer running thread with more tangential discussion than starting new posts. Whether this is a hangover from GAF or just laziness/cohort preference is still being identified;
2. When we are trending upwards there's a lot of investment when making a change so our policy at the moment is changes that are manageable and dynamic/fluid. While not ideally our first choice, we didn't lock ourselves out of rolling the old themes back if the community were vociferous about wanting them back. This takes a little more time, but is more graciously received as a choice rather than 'have this and like it'. So site improvements are coming, site enhancements and integrations are coming and we're going to use them to establish a 'pull' mechanism for member growth in terms of USP's;
3. Our next big update will be really exciting for 'communities'. Splitting it out was a precursor to the work we have on simmer at the moment. The harsh reality is that trying to just do what GAF did ten years ago won't be enough to distinguish it in the same way. As an enabler the fresh start we got to have was really a chance for us all to sit down and examine how we can recapture the magic GAF had in its early days in the modern environment of reddit, discord, 4chan, twitter etc. GAF had a reputation and a stigma. With the advent of resetEra, the stigma was definitely transplanted, and it's up to us here to rebuild the reputation. You can't just pick up years of heritage, archival and importance and try to bully your self importance onto people and press;
4. All the staff love this place, genuinely. And what we want is to foster that tight community feel. The ones you'd often see when teams were making mods for games and engaging on a direct basis with excitement and fervour. We ask people just enjoy games really and discuss them.
5. For those users on both sites, it costs nothing to float the same type of thread if you are interested. At the very least you'll get more points of view. Probably a broader set of perspectives if that makes sense. If I may politely ask one question in return to those who have weighed in - You gifted era a community (some bad, some great) - the question really should be 'what are the custodians doing to keep you?', because right now it seems it's just the user generated content that is keeping you captive. UGC that you are then heavily moderated on and for if it doesn't align with whatever 'issue of the day is'. In response, I will only iterate what i can - please do keep popping in and even post a bit, we believe over the coming months with the improvements we have scheduled we will demonstrate that what we're doing or attempting is genuinely in the interest of bringing people/players together. Not only to discuss the latest industry article but to bring back those in depth discussion on level design, character creation and RPG mechanics as examples.

This is my first post since Oct 2017 as I've been permanently over at Era. I just wanted to pop in and say that I really liked reading this post. It was nice to see and I really like the attitude behind it.

I've been back hovering around and looking at threads here and there for past couple weeks, only recently actually logged back in. Those achievements were nice, haha. I have absolutely no reason to see why I won't keep coming back here and still going to Era for various reasons, some specifically that you mentioned.

 

[McLovin]

I posted for a few months when it went live and eventually left. Too much anger and overeactions to everything. I'm Jewish and Republican so I am basically Satan over there. I shouldn't have expected much since it contains all the people that left this place posting porn and acting like asshats.

The Jewish part has nothing to do with it. But if you are Republican I can see why reset would be a turnoff. I mean Democrats are pretty pissed at what we(the us) have turned into. You're probably gonna get shit anywhere you go to, a very small portion of Democrats actually vote when compared to Republicans and electoral races are pretty close so it kind of makes sense.

 

[appaws]

I tried to do both for a while. It seemed promising over there for a month or two, looser than old gaf. But things settled down into the old gaf pattern and I ended up getting perma'd

For some reason being pro-gun was allowable for longer on old gaf and at the beginning of era. But the stupid "blood on your hands" rhetoric took hold and now you are not allowed to oppose gun control anymore.

GAF is in a really good place right now...being able to actually disagree with someone and discuss it instead of just going through people's post history and indicting them for thought crime, or certain positions being verboten no matter how politely and respectfully you discuss them.

 

[mattiewheels]

To post on ERA you have to follow these rules.

1. Be pro playstation

I’m afraid you’re coming into this with your own problems if this is how you see it. What happened to you there that makes you feel like this?

 

[molnizzle]

Let’s not pretend the “problems” with Resetera, it’s moderation style, and it’s penchant for hive-minded mob-rule didn’t originate here on Gaf.

For real.

 

[McLovin]

11 years achievement unlocked... fuuuuck

 

[HighFlyingBird]

I served long here on GAF and met some of the nicest people.

I did jump last year and migrated and met some of the nicest people over there

I now browse both, but post more over there but respect here for keeping going and growing. It seems to have balanced out. Everything else either way is background noise.

I never bought into the stirrers saying 'GAF hivemind' or now 'ERAhivemind' or whatever. Just focus on the posters you like, be reasonable and you'll do fine on either

 

[Musky_Cheese]

11 years achievement unlocked... fuuuuck

Welcome back old head

 

[Lady Bird]

11 years achievement unlocked... fuuuuck

I have the one for 12 years, and it's weird to know how much time has passed already. I don't even feel old in real life!

 

[Raysoul]

Welp, I just got a ban for posting a sex joke on a thread regarding porn.

Their reason? Trolling.

Never got a ban here, and I've seen much more explicit offending jokes on that forum.

So... I'll stay here for the meantime I guess.

 

[Crazyorloco]

I do go on resetera, but I also come here too from time to time. Now is probably the best time to come back to neogaf since resetera is buggy right now.

11 years achievement unlocked... fuuuuck

Me too. Time flies!

 

[Trojita]

I just hope brother Blamespace is okay.

 

[dolabla]

Welp, I just got a ban for posting a sex joke on a thread regarding porn.

Their reason? Trolling.

Never got a ban here, and I've seen much more explicit offending jokes on that forum.

So... I'll stay here for the meantime I guess.

 

[cryptoadam]

ERA new design sucks and they can't get it to run properly. Maybe they should of talked to EvilLore and found out who he got to redisgn GAF because it kicks NewERA's ass.