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[IbizaPocholo]

https://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/12/10/playstation-4-beats-xbox-360-lifetime-sales/#nnn

A report from VGChartz notes that Sony’s console has managed to beat out the Xbox 360’s lifetime sales as of this week. It has sold just over 500,000 units which puts it at a total of 86.15 million units sold in its lifetime (thus far). That managed to push it past the Xbox 360, which has sold more than 85.80 million units since its release (thus far).

The regional breakdown between the two is interesting. The PS4 has done well in Europe, selling 34.77 million units, beating out the Xbox 360’s 25.87 million units sold. And in the U.S., the Xbox 360 still holds the top spot in sales with 45.14 million units sold, compared to 26.33 million PlayStation 4’s sold.

A small difference maker here is the Japanese market. The Xbox 360 only sold a paltry 1.67 million units while the PS4 cleaned house with 7.21 million units sold. (It’s unknown if the PlayStation 4 Pro is included in these numbers, but it more than likely is.)

As for the best-selling game on the PlayStation 4, VGChartz said that Grand Theft Auto V sold the most with 18.77 million units to date, a small portion of its overall 100 million copies sold, which it reached just a few weeks back. On on the Xbox 360, Kinect Adventures was the surprising sales winner, clearing out 22.10 million copies sold. (This likely includes Xbox 360 bundles that had the game packed in alongside its Kinect peripheral.)

The best-selling first-party game from Sony’s library was Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End, which sold over 10 million copies. That said, however, Spider-Man looks fairly close to eclipsing that number, based on a recent sales report.

The site also listed the top ten best-selling games for each platform. (Keep in mind these numbers don’t include updated sales stats for hits like God of War and Spider-Man.)

PlayStation 4

1. Grand Theft Auto V
2. Call of Duty: Black Ops III
3. Call of Duty: WWII
4. FIFA 18
5. FIFA 17
6. Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End
7. Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare
8. Fallout 4
9. FIFA 16
10. Star Wars: Battlefront

Xbox 360

1. Kinect Adventures
2. Grand Theft Auto V
3. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3
4. Call of Duty: Black Ops
5. Call of Duty: Black Ops 2
6. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
7. Halo 3
8. Grand Theft Auto IV
9. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
10. Halo Reach

 

[TeamGhobad]

vgchartz is more unreliable than nexgenwars

 

[Airbus Jr]

The Last of Us II will give another big boost for PS4 to pass PS1

 

[FranXico]

VGChartz is not a reliable source, not that knowing when the PS4 outsells the 360 is particularly insightful.

 

[Airbus Jr]

VGChartz is not a reliable source, not that knowing when the PS4 outsells the 360 is particularly insightful.

Not reliable but their numbers are usually lower than actual data, somewhere about 90-95% close to the actual numbers

That's because they're slightly slower when collecting data and they don't report on digital sales

So the actual number should be higher

 

[Thiagosc777]

Not reliable but their numbers are usually lower than actual data, somewhere about 90-95% close to the actual numbers

That's because they're slightly slower when collecting data and they don't report on digital sales

So the actual number should be higher

Some time ago MS was celebrating 25 million sold for the Gears of War franchise (all games combined), VGChartz said it had sold 13 million. They were almost 50% off. That's how reliable they are.

 

[Humdinger]

I wouldn't trust VGChartz' numbers. But I do think PS4 has exceeded both PS3 and Xbox 360 totals by now.

 

[Blade2.0]

Talesfrommyass the website.

But PS4 is doing damn good. Will most likely be number 2 sold Sony console by the end of its life.

 

[Vawn]

Weird they'd compare PS4 sales to Xbox 360 specifically when 360 and PS3 had near identical lifetime sales.

 

[Airbus Jr]

Some time ago MS was celebrating 25 million sold for the Gears of War franchise (all games combined), VGChartz said it had sold 13 million. They were almost 50% off. That's how reliable they are.

Remember what I said?

They don't track digital sales

Some of the gears numbers not included are most likely from digital/gamepass/backward compatibility download etc

When it comes to physical they always undertracked/bit behind but the numbers are not far off from the actual data

 

[GMan72]

VGChartz are not a credible source. The founder confessed on gaf that he actually makes up the numbers as guesstimates. Back then, if I'm not mistaken, his username was ioi.

 

[DonF]

Wasnt VGchartz a banned site?

 

[Airbus Jr]

VGChartz are not a credible source. The founder confessed on gaf that he actually makes up the numbers as guesstimates. Back then, if I'm not mistaken, his username was ioi.

They copied the data from other sources like NPD and other sale data reports

Doesn't make them 100% accurate because they jumbled lot of estimates source but it give you a closer look on whether a games is doing great at charts or not

Their number are not far off

When PS4 reached 70 mill their numbers are about 68-69 mill , when PS4 reached 80 mill their numbers are around 78-79 mill. They just undertracked behind abit

 

[ethomaz]

I thought this site was banned here.

 

[demigod]

Weird they'd compare PS4 sales to Xbox 360 specifically when 360 and PS3 had near identical lifetime sales.

PS3 numbers outsold 360, hence you beat the lower one first.

 

[Kdad]

Does NeoGAF not have a list of sources that are banned anymore? VGChartz is redonkulous.

 

[Vawn]

PS3 numbers outsold 360, hence you beat the lower one first.

I guess. The difference is like 1 million.

 

[Redneckerz]

I guess. The difference is like 1 million.

84 million vs 83.8 million for PS3. See this post. I think this also refers to VGChartz though, but common consensus is approx 160 million total.

 

[Lastyou1]

I am surprised that PS4 took so long, actually.

I own both consoles and I love my Xbox 360, but the Ps4 is a whole new universe ahead and above.

Ps3 really sucked imo and Nintendo was the real winner of that generation with the Wii, how they fucked up with the Wii U is beyond me.

 

[Virex]

Wasnt VGchartz a banned site?

If not, it should be banned

 

[Insane Metal]

Uncharted 4 sold over 10 million copies?! Holy fuck.

 

[SlashBringingHasher]

VGChartz is not a reliable source, not that knowing when the PS4 outsells the 360 is particularly insightful.

vgchartz uses an algorithm and not actual sources its pretty terrible.

 

[TLZ]

I thought soon enough PS4 would be nearing PS1 numbers. Didn't think much of passing ps360, since it's a given.

 

[Gander]

360 maybe 2nd on the charts but number one in our hearts.

Love me some Xbox 360

 

[it_wasn't_me]

84 million vs 83.8 million for PS3. See this post. I think this also refers to VGChartz though, but common consensus is approx 160 million total.

According to EEDAR ( which is under NPD and probably has some legal data ) PS3 is above X360 for maybe 1 mil. Anyway, i thought VGCharts is banned here.

 

[Redneckerz]

According to EEDAR ( which is under NPD and probably has some legal data ) PS3 is above X360 for maybe 1 mil. Anyway, i thought VGCharts is banned here.

I want those stats.

 

[Alebrije]

And in the U.S., the Xbox 360 still holds the top spot in sales with 45.14 million units sold, compared to 26.33 million PlayStation 4’s sold.

 

[GribbleGrunger]

VGChartz is not a reliable source, not that knowing when the PS4 outsells the 360 is particularly insightful.

OK, I know this has always been the go to line on 'old' GAF but as I pointed out then (and was met with Resetera responses) there are many nice people over there on the forums AND they do adjust their figures in accordance with official numbers when they release. They are always in the ballpark because of that so it's not the terrible source people made it out to be. Having said that, I personally wouldn't take these figures seriously just yet. Now ioi has gone, the figures are adjusted honestly and they don't try to bury their mistakes. On a side note, ioi left around the time the PS4 took a substantial lead ... I guess his heart wasn't in it any more LOL.

 

[Afro Republican]

For perspective, when Xbox announce 80 million sold for the 360 in 2013, VG Chartz had the PS3 at 83 million. But then Sony announced 80 million weeks later, which clearly shows their data was way wrong, and they never changed the chartz. Also for some games they just guess numbers (500k for the new Bubsy???) though they will correct SOME of the wrong ones if forums go after it or they get enough comments.

 

[Afro Republican]

According to EEDAR ( which is under NPD and probably has some legal data ) PS3 is above X360 for maybe 1 mil. Anyway, i thought VGCharts is banned here.

EEDAR guesstimates some reasons which is why it isn't used. They had the PS3 around 2 million more than the 360, but basically had the 360 almost stop selling after 2014 which doesn't make much sense. I also doubt either the 360 or the PS3 sold 1 million from mid 2016 till end of 2017. They both were barely on any relevant charts, they were both removed from many retailers, and were discontinued officially before that frame was up. If they both sold over 1 million they would have kept them active for another year or so.

 

[Akuza89]

anyone else find it weird how multiplatform games are always the top 10 of any game system... kind of makes the whole argument of "exclusives" a little silly... since only 1 game is even listed there..

anyway, it beat a system that isn't on sale anymore.... yay I guess?

 

[it_wasn't_me]

I want those stats.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/eeda...ne-at-20-million-as-of-december-2015.1206788/

 

[it_wasn't_me]

EEDAR guesstimates some reasons which is why it isn't used. They had the PS3 around 2 million more than the 360, but basically had the 360 almost stop selling after 2014 which doesn't make much sense.8

Discontinued, not stop selling. X360s were still on shelves and as such X360 was still selling. Same thing for PS3.

 

[magnumpy]

interesting numbers!!!

 

[Redneckerz]

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/eeda...ne-at-20-million-as-of-december-2015.1206788/

The linked source gives a 404 however.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

The linked source gives a 404 however.

I don't have a problem with that. Try again with this one : https://www.neogaf.com/threads/eeda...ne-at-20-million-as-of-december-2015.1206788/

 

[meirl]

Lol VGChartz.

 

[Redneckerz]

I don't have a problem with that. Try again with this one : https://www.neogaf.com/threads/eeda...ne-at-20-million-as-of-december-2015.1206788/

Thats the same link. I am referring to the source OP in that link, namely this: https://www.eedar.com/blog/eedar-insights-gdc16

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Thats the same link. I am referring to the source OP in that link, namely this: https://www.eedar.com/blog/eedar-insights-gdc16

Maybe this would help :

Spoiler

 

[LuvOfThaGame]

Maybe this would help :

Spoiler

EEDAR guesstimates some reasons which is why it isn't used. They had the PS3 around 2 million more than the 360, but basically had the 360 almost stop selling after 2014 which doesn't make much sense. I also doubt either the 360 or the PS3 sold 1 million from mid 2016 till end of 2017. They both were barely on any relevant charts, they were both removed from many retailers, and were discontinued officially before that frame was up. If they both sold over 1 million they would have kept them active for another year or so.

Answer above. It's disingenuous to continue to push this false narrative.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Answer above. It's disingenuous to continue to push this false narrative.

EEDAR is under NPD. Also, like i said above : Discontinued, not stop selling. X360s were still on shelves and as such X360 was still selling. Same thing for PS3.

 

[LuvOfThaGame]

EEDAR is under NPD. Also, like i said above : Discontinued, not stop selling. X360s were still on shelves and as such X360 was still selling. Same thing for PS3.

Please reference post above. It's not official NPD. Last official numbers reported has x360 as 2nd leader of last gen. Anything else is guesstimate based on unfounded theories.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

Please reference post above. It's not official NPD. Last official numbers reported has x360 as 2nd leader of last gen. Anything else is guesstimate based on unfounded theories.

And theory is that PS3 beated X360 sales cuz PS3 was selling at faster rate since launch globally than X360 launch aligned. Didn't you learned that on MisterXmedia site? Of course you didn't. LOGIC is, PS3 beated X360. Official or not NPD wouldn't allow EEDAR to post a screenshot like that.. Surely there is some legit info in that chart.

 

[LuvOfThaGame]

And theory is that PS3 beated X360 sales cuz PS3 was selling at faster rate since launch globally than X360 launch aligned. Didn't you learned that on MisterXmedia site? Of course you didn't. LOGIC is, PS3 beated X360. Official or not NPD wouldn't allow EEDAR to post a screenshot like that.. Surely there is some legit info in that chart.

You are admitting that your post is not official Information, therefore disingenuous. Plus, you continue your attempts at personal,off site attacks that have been proven to be admittedly mistaken. Therefore, your argument is completely based in unfounded, biased claims. Please argue in good faith.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Please reference post above. It's not official NPD. Last official numbers reported has x360 as 2nd leader of last gen. Anything else is guesstimate based on unfounded theories.

And theory is that PS3 beated X360 sales cuz PS3 was selling at faster rate since launch globally than X360 launch aligned. Didn't you learned that on MisterXmedia site? Of course you didn't. LOGIC is, PS3 beated X360. Official or not NPD wouldn't allow EEDAR to post a screenshot like that.. Surely there is some legit info in that chart.

The PS3's last reported figure was a shipped figure in November of 2013, a shipped figure of 80 million units. A month prior to this Microsoft had reported a sold-through figure of 80 million to Sony's 80 million shipped. Empirically we already know these companies shipment figures lead sales figures by 3-4 million, so the PlayStation 3 was at 76-77 million sold when Microsoft had reported it had sold 80 million a month prior. So right there there's a several million unit gap, then 7 months after Sony's shipment report Microsoft reported they had sold-through 84 million.

The PlayStation 3 did not outsell the Xbox 360.

 

[it_wasn't_me]

The PS3's last reported figure was a shipped figure in November of 2013, a shipped figure of 80 million units. A month prior to this Microsoft had reported a sold-through figure of 80 million to Sony's 80 million shipped. Empirically we already know these companies shipment figures lead sales figures by 3-4 million, so the PlayStation 3 was at 76-77 million sold when Microsoft had reported it had sold 80 million a month prior. So right there there's a several million unit gap, then 7 months after Sony's shipment report Microsoft reported they had sold-through 84 million.

The PlayStation 3 did not outsell the Xbox 360.

Yes it has. Zhuge also said PS3 outsold X360. What? Now Zhuge isn't relevant? It bothers you that Zhuge mentioned that PS3 outsold X360?

You are admitting that your post is not official Information, therefore disingenuous. Plus, you continue your attempts at personal,off site attacks that have been proven to be admittedly mistaken. Therefore, your argument is completely based in unfounded, biased claims. Please argue in good faith.

As long i posted some info from a legit analyst, then it's legit. Yeah, EEDAR is biased.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Yes it has. Zhuge also said PS3 outsold X360.



As long i posted some info from a legit analyst, then it's legit. Yeah, EEDAR is biased.

Zhuge isn't the end all be all, he's an analyst, not any kind of authoritarian figure from these companies. Microsoft's numbers during end of life of the 7th generation put them several million beyond the PlayStation 3's reach via official numbers from Sony and Microsoft during end of life.

 

[LuvOfThaGame]

Yes it has. Zhuge also said PS3 outsold X360.



As long i posted some info from a legit analyst, then it's legit. Yeah, EEDAR is biased.

Not EEDAR, which is based on estimates, but you, which are taking a biased claim and misinterpreted data due to your personal vendettas.

 

[Kagey K]

Yes it has. Zhuge also said PS3 outsold X360. What? Now Zhuge isn't relevant? It bothers you that Zhuge mentioned that PS3 outsold X360?

As long i posted some info from a legit analyst, then it's legit. Yeah, EEDAR is biased.

Can you show Zhuge graph?

Can you show what his comments were on the graph also?

If I remember right it had a bunch of caveat to make it “accurate”

I just need to see the chart again.

 

[woigemok]

VGChartz reliability is the same as Hillary Clinton