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[octiny]

Now you're changing your argument. Here is what I said.



Earlier, you said this.




You used the install base\attach rate argument to prove that the majority don't care about the exclusives. The evidence that I provided just goes to show how your argument is completely false.

Now you're moving the goalpost to "majority of consoles." The evidence show that exclusives are huge among PS gamers.

Lol I didn't change anything. Majority of consoles, from the first post you quoted is exactly what I said. Not my fault you're trying to justify a losing a debate.

The attach rate is higher on tons of multi-platforms AAA titles, this isn't disputable. As, I've been saying all along. The fact they can you have multiple multi-platform games being released every year in said franchise, and are still able to maintain a higher attachment rate than the majority of PS4 exclusives proves just that. There's multiple frachise entries in franchises that have sold more than PS4 exclusives, thus, higher attatchment rate. Then you take into account the install base of said game within a year of it's release, and it's even more obvious. This isn't debateable.

Do you realize this is for the month?

Top 10 games this year.

1. Call of Duty: Black Ops 4**
2. Red Dead Redemption II
3. Far Cry 5
4. Marvel’s Spider-Man
5. NBA 2K19
6. God of War 2018
7. Monster Hunter: World
8. Madden NFL 19**
9. Grand Theft Auto V
10. Call of Duty: WWII**

This is all platforms for the year and there are two PS exclusives on this list.

Your argument is failing, man. Badly.

My bad. I had quoted the monthly October numbers, not YTD. In any event, the monthly only had 1 PS4 exclusive in it. While AAA Multi-Platform titles are consistantly charting in the monthly Top 10.

I think that because there are so many different exclusives for the PS4 its sort of hard to single out any one game as the reason everyone bought the thing, which is why most (with exceptions like gow and Spiderman) dont have insanely high individual sales numbers. I mean there are probably at least 20 franchises/games someone would have bought a PS4 for, and there is likely not a ton of overlap between many of them (who knows, maybe the Senran Kagura crowd also really is in to MLB The Show).

Id love to do some dataminig of trophy lists to figure out a Venn diagram of PS4 exusives ownership, because I bet it would be very interesting.

Agreed.

 

[DForce]

Lol I didn't change anything. Majority of consoles, from the first post you quoted is exactly what I said. Not my fault you're trying to justify a losing a debate.

The attach rate is higher on tons of multi-platforms AAA titles, this isn't disputable. As, I've been saying all along. The fact they can you have multiple multi-platform games being release every year in said franchise, and are still able to maintain a higher attachment rate than the majority of PS4 exclusives proves just that. There's multiple franchises that have sold more than PS4 exclusives, thus, higher attatchment rate. This isn't debateable.

You used UC4 attach rate as proof and now you're ignoring it after I pulled up facts.

So I'll ask you directly

How many franchises sell better than UC4 on the PS4?

My bad. I had quoted the monthly October numbers, not YTD. In any event, the monthly only had 1 PS4 exclusive in it. While AAA Multi-Platform titles are consistantly charting in the monthly Top 10.

Spider-Man and God of War are on the top of the list of the year and Spider-Man has been out for a short period of time. compared to a lot of other multiplats.

 

[octiny]

You used UC4 attach rate as proof and now you're ignoring it after I pulled up facts.

So I'll ask you directly

How many franchises sell better than UC4 on the PS4?



Spider-Man and God of War are on the top of the list of the year and Spider-Man has been out for a short period of time. compared to a lot of other multiplats.

I already answered that lol. Globally LTD, 6 franchises as Red Dead will be making that list come Monday at its current pace. Uncharted doesn't come close to any of the games in the top 5 of sales. Thus, a much higher attachment rate for the games above it. Just because you're in the top 10 doesn't mean it sold nearly as many copies as the game at say #6. We're talking millions in difference, tens of millions once we get into the top 3. Which again, coincides with what i've been saying all along, casuals (the majority) buy systems just to play a couple franchises (cod, gta, fifa etc).

Edit: We can keep going back & forth, but it's clear neither of us is going to give an inch. So I digress.

 

[DForce]

I already answered that lol. Globally LTD, 6 franchises as Red Dead will be making that list come Monday at its current pace. Uncharted doesn't come close to any of the games in the top 5 of sales. Thus, a much higher attachment rate for the games above it. Just because you're in the top 10 doesn't mean it sold nearly as many copies as the game at say #6. We're talking millions in difference, tens of millions once we get into the top 3. Which again, coincides with what i've been saying all along, casuals (the majority) buy systems just to play a couple franchises (cod, gta, fifa etc).

You said a lot of franchises sell well. There are not many. Guys such as yourself try to narrow down the list such as top 3, top 5 etc to cut off PS exclusives.


You're unable to name a lot of franchises that sell more because there are not too much outside of the ones you mentioned.

Again, this proves your theory wrong.

 

[a multicultural team of v]

Agreed.

That said though, it doesnt really argue against exclusives, if anything it argues for the importance of a large, diverse set of exclusives. Much easier to have 10+ games you can rely on a few hundred thousand people buying your console for, than one or two games you need to sell millions.

 

[octiny]

You said a lot of franchises sell well. There are not many. Guys such as yourself try to narrow down the list such as top 3, top 5 etc to cut off PS exclusives.


You're unable to name a lot of franchises that sell more because there are not too much outside of the ones you mentioned.

Again, this proves your theory wrong.

Lol 6 franchises is a crap load. That's more franchises than actual games a lot of people I know, actually own.The whole point was predicated on the fact that casuals buy the majority of consoles, this is true. Why? Because the attachment rate on those casual franchises are incredibly high versus the rate on exclusives. It's the same people buying the same games day in and day out every single generation. It's what drives e-sports & what drives the market.

 

[DForce]

Lol 6 franchises is a crap load. That's more franchises than actual games a lot of people I know, actually own.The whole point was predicated on the fact that casuals buy the majority of consoles, this is true. Why? Because the attachment rate on those casual franchises are incredibly high versus the rate on exclusives. It's the same people buying the same games day in and day out every single generation. It's what drives sells, it's what drives e-sports & what drives the market.

It's not. Your argument is just getting weaker so you're going to try to capitalize on those games and make it seem like they're a lot when they're not.

The whole point was predicated on the fact that casuals buy the majority of consoles, this is true.

No, you're just looking at it wrong.

If Red Dead Redemption 2 is on both platforms, then what are they going to ask themselves BEFORE buying a console?

They're going to ask themselves, "Why should I pick this console over the other?"

So, you have this:

Xbox One: Red Dead Redemption 2, Call of Duty, FIFA, Grand Theft Auto V + Forza Horizon, Sea of Thieves, Halo 5, Gears of War 4, Forza Motorsports + Crackdown 3, Gears of War 5

Playstation 4: Red Dead Redemption 2, Call of Duty, FIFA, Grand Theft Auto V + Uncharted 4, Horizon Zero Dawn, Spider-Man, God of War, GT Sport + Last of Us Part II, Death Stranding, Days Gone


This is why exclusives are important. You think people are ignoring the exclusives when they're not. They see the two consoles and they see which company is offering something that the other one does not.

 

[thelastword]

XboxGaf - Exclusives don't sell cosnoles
Also XboxGaf = MS acquired new studios. Xbox is going to make a huge comeback next gen.

Pretty much, imagine if XBOX fans had quality exclusives like GOW and Spiderman and it sold as much......You would not hear the last of it........

Exclusives don't matter, only because they have none of worth and pull...and because Sony has made a statement with exclusives yet again this generation.......Exclusives dont matter, but when you asked Phil Spencer what will differentiate XBOX a year + ago, he said Super Lucky's Tales, Ori, Cuphead, the latter being niche indie titles......

You remember when OG XBOX guys made a huge deal about Halo-CE for their first console, getting Ninja Gaiden exclusive, PGR, Sega Games, Splinter Cell for a minute, DOA 3 etc.....You remember when They hyped Brute Force to no end on that console......You remember last gen (360), when XBOX fans could not talk enough about Gears, Halo3, Reach, Forza, Fable, Banjo, and at launch, Perfect Dark, Amped, Condemned, Kameo etc.........You remember when on XB-ONE Xbox fans praised Titanfall 1 to no end, Quantum Break, I mean even hyped up Recore, SOD2, SOT, SLT etc........... Guys who never cared about Insomniac loved Sunset Overdrive something fierce...Look at XBOX fans anytime Forza is mentioned against any other racer......They latch unto exclusives like their lives depends on it, conveniently of course. Yet they say it doesnt matter because Sony really excelled there this gen and exclusives have proven to sell many Sony consoles, Just like Astrobot is selling many PSVR's.....

So it's crazy to say exclusives dont matter when it's the reason this XBOX has been walloped by both Sony and Nintendo.......So exclusives do matter and XB fans realize that, that's why they are so pumped for any devs MS can muster to put something else on their box exclusively.......

According to Benji(Retail insider) Switch is leading by a huge margin while PS4 ........
Rip in advance

According to Benji, PS4 sales could only have been hamstrung by supply this November.....and it was.....That was not said about any other console......He also said PS2 and Switch were doing very well for November, which they did.........So if you're going to believe him, believe everything whydontyou?

 

[thelastword]

I meant to put this in the post above....

 

[haxan7]

Praise the Lord. The thread title has been fixed. Viewing that typo has been a thorn in my side for days.

 

[DForce]

Pretty much, imagine if XBOX fans had quality exclusives like GOW and Spiderman and it sold as much......You would not hear the last of it........

Exclusives don't matter, only because they have none of worth and pull...and because Sony has made a statement with exclusives yet again this generation.......Exclusives dont matter, but when you asked Phil Spencer what will differentiate XBOX a year + ago, he said Super Lucky's Tales, Ori, Cuphead, the latter being niche indie titles......

You remember when OG XBOX guys made a huge deal about Halo-CE for their first console, getting Ninja Gaiden exclusive, PGR, Sega Games, Splinter Cell for a minute, DOA 3 etc.....You remember when They hyped Brute Force to no end on that console......You remember last gen (360), when XBOX fans could not talk enough about Gears, Halo3, Reach, Forza, Fable, Banjo, and at launch, Perfect Dark, Amped, Condemned, Kameo etc.........You remember when on XB-ONE Xbox fans praised Titanfall 1 to no end, Quantum Break, I mean even hyped up Recore, SOD2, SOT, SLT etc........... Guys who never cared about Insomniac loved Sunset Overdrive something fierce...Look at XBOX fans anytime Forza is mentioned against any other racer......They latch unto exclusives like their lives depends on it, conveniently of course. Yet they say it doesnt matter because Sony really excelled there this gen and exclusives have proven to sell many Sony consoles, Just like Astrobot is selling many PSVR's.....

So it's crazy to say exclusives dont matter when it's the reason this XBOX has been walloped by both Sony and Nintendo.......So exclusives do matter and XB fans realize that, that's why they are so pumped for any devs MS can muster to put something else on their box exclusively.......

According to Benji, PS4 sales could only have been hamstrung by supply this November.....and it was.....That was not said about any other console......He also said PS2 and Switch were doing very well for November, which they did.........So if you're going to believe him, believe everything whydontyou?

I remember that compelling exclusives thread earlier this year and they were defending Xbox exclusive\console exclusive games.

Tomonobu Itagaki reminds me of Aarong Greenberg. He would flame the console wars by trashing Tekken and Xbox fans loved it.

 

[octiny]

It's not. Your argument is just getting weaker so you're going to try to capitalize on those games and make it seem like they're a lot when they're not.




No, you're just looking at it wrong.

If Red Dead Redemption 2 is on both platforms, then what are they going to ask themselves BEFORE buying a console?

They're going to ask themselves, "Why should I pick this console over the other?"

So, you have this:

Xbox One: Red Dead Redemption 2, Call of Duty, FIFA, Grand Theft Auto V + Forza Horizon, Sea of Thieves, Halo 5, Gears of War 4, Forza Motorsports + Crackdown 3, Gears of War 5

Playstation 4: Red Dead Redemption 2, Call of Duty, FIFA, Grand Theft Auto V + Uncharted 4, Horizon Zero Dawn, Spider-Man, God of War, GT Sport + Last of Us Part II, Death Stranding, Days Gone


This is why exclusives are important. You think people are ignoring the exclusives when they're not. They see the two consoles and they see which company is offering something that the other one does not.

Now you're just letting your personal opinion come into play.

Casuals buying systems outside of the few games they were planning to buy, don't care what exclusives the system has to offer. It's why their called casuals in the first place. They'll just buy the most popular console for the couple of games they buy every generation, simple as that. Which from the beginning was PS4 (before exclusives even came into play) & has continued to be to this day, although not nearly to the same extent. Personally know tons of casual gamers with PS4's who just have COD & Madden, who bought the console after owning a 360 simply because MS screwed the pooch & word spread fast social media. In any event, this conversation is leading absolutely nowhere with you

Edit: And this statement about my argument becoming weaker, is your typical bully response tactic when you have no ammunition left. So keep going. I got alllll day.

Edit: Damn auto-correct.

 

[DForce]

Now you're just letting your personal opinion come into play.

Casuals buying systems outside of the few games they were planning to buy, don't care what exclusives the system has to offer. It's why their called casuals in the first place. They'll just buy the most popular console for the couple of games they buy every generation, simple as that. Which from the beginning was PS4 (before exclusives even came into play) & has continued to be to this day, although not nearly to the same extent. Personally know tons of casual gamers with PS4's who just have COD & Madden, who bought the console after owning a 360 simply because MS screwed the pooch & word spread fast social media. In any event, this conversation is leading absolutely nowhere with you

Edit: And this statement about my argument becoming weaker, is your typically bully response tactic when you have no ammunition left. So keep going. I got alllll day.

Hey, you moved the goalpost by using attach rate and it failed. I'm not using my own personal opinion, I used facts based on the popularity of PS4 exclusives. If the biggest PS exlusvies are selling better than the majority of games, then it's clear. Also, Mat's statement regarding exclusives, which you ignored.

 

[octiny]

Hey, you moved the goalpost by using attach rate and it failed. I'm not using my own personal opinion, I used facts based on the popularity of PS4 exclusives. If the biggest PS exlusvies are selling better than the majority of games, then it's clear. Also, Mat's statement regarding exclusives, which you ignored.

No, it didn't fail. Lol in fact, it proved my point I was making from my very first post in this thread. The top franchises outsell PS4 exclusives ten fold & sell the majority.

Furthermore, If you actually listened to the video he did prior to that, he said exclusives didn't matter as much as you think....then a bunch of Sony fans got upset & he corrected himself with some damage control. On top of the fact that you're ignoring global sales in comparison to NPD, it all concludes the same. The total sales & attachment rate of the Top 10 LTD on average absolutely demolish PS4 exclusive numbers.

 

[demigod]

My bad. I had quoted the monthly October numbers, not YTD. In any event, the monthly only had 1 PS4 exclusive in it. While AAA Multi-Platform titles are consistantly charting in the monthly Top 10.

I see you failed with your fake FACTS again. Keep it up sunshine.

 

[octiny]

I see you failed with your fake FACTS again. Keep it up sunshine.

Oh, hey, look who came out of the woodwork? Couldn't debate with me earlier, gave up & suddenly has reappeared to team up.

So eloquent of you.

 

[demigod]

Oh, hey, look who came out of the woodwork? Couldn't debate with me earlier, gave up & suddenly has reappeared to team up.

So eloquent of you.

Nah , i got tired of you spewing out fake facts, plus i just got home from work. You were just proven wrong yet again, time to swallow that pride cupcake.

 

[octiny]

Nah , i got tired of you spewing out fake facts, plus i just got home from work. You were just proven wrong yet again, time to swallow that pride cupcake.

Aw, how cute. Excuses, excuses.

 

[Bryank75]

Great performance by all, our beloved pastime is healthy in a financial sense. Now all we have to do is banish lootboxes and continue teaching developers that we don't want progressive politics shoved down our throat.

 

[SonGoku]

The Pokedex position means the % compared each other.

Eg. Voltorb = 100%, Koffing = 109%

I posted the estimated numbers so you don’t need to care about them

Where did you post estimated numbers? On the OP you posted yoy and last year numbers
Where are this years numbers?

not everybody is a poke nerd -.-

 

[woigemok]

That spin and damage controls in this thread though

 

[DForce]

No, it didn't fail. Lol in fact, it proved my point I was making from my very first post in this thread. The top franchises outsell PS4 exclusives ten fold & sell the majority.

Furthermore, If you actually listened to the video he did prior to that, he said exclusives didn't matter as much as you think....then a bunch of Sony fans got upset & he corrected himself with some damage control. On top of the fact that you're ignoring global sales in comparison to NPD, it all concludes the same. The total sales & attachment rate of the Top 10 LTD on average absolutely demolish PS4 exclusive numbers.

You used VGChartz, which is a very unreliable source.

The majority could care less, hence why only a certain percentage of PS4's install base (2-12%, Uncharted 4 leading the way) buy their exclusives compared to all the AAA multi-plat sales titles as noted in the LTD/YTD PS4 Top 10, & why most fall out of the top 10 after the first couple of months

That's your statement.

It's not mine.

Uncharted 4, Spider-Man, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn are among the top games sold on the PS4 platform.

YOU specifically stated that "only a certain percentage of PS4's install base buy their exclusives compared to ALL the AAA multi-plat sales titles as noted in the LTD/YTD PS4 Top 10"

1) You used UC4 sales\install base as proof that the majority don't care about exclusives
2) You said PS4's top 10.

Now lets use your so called "evidence"

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/games.php?console=PS4

Uncharted 4 is 6th at 10.17 million. Based on this website, only FIFA, Call of Duty and Gran Theft Auto 4 are above Uncharted 4. So you're saying most people don't care about the majority of AAA games because they only sell to a small percentage?

God of War and Spider-Man will more than likely surpass 10 million within a year. Sam can be said about The Last of Us.

What about the other games?

Killzone Shadowfall sold 2.1 units with the PS4 only had about 5 million copies on the market.
https://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/29/killzone-shadow-fall-sells-21-million-copies

Infamous Second Son 1 million in 9 days. The Playstation was probably around 8 million or so.
https://www.vg247.com/2014/04/10/infamous-second-son-sold-1-million-copies-in-nine-days/

Horizon Zero Dawn 7.6 million in one year.
https://www.sie.com/en/corporate/release/2018/180228.html

Last of Us 17 million across two platforms. Around 7 million on the PS4.
https://www.polygon.com/2018/6/14/17465488/the-last-of-us-sales-17-million-ps3-ps4

The attach rate is higher on tons of multi-platforms AAA titles, this isn't disputable.

Witcher 3 - 6 million (May 19 - Aug 26 2015) on 3 Platforms
https://www.polygon.com/2015/8/26/9211833/the-witcher-3-has-sold-6-million-copies

NBA 2K18 - 10 million on 5 different platforms
https://venturebeat.com/2018/08/02/nba-2k18-hits-from-downtown-with-a-record-10-million-copies-sold/

Final Fantasy 15 - 7.6 million in under 2 years.
https://www.destructoid.com/final-f...on-sales-in-just-under-two-years-516081.phtml

Resident Evil 7 - 5 million copies
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/resident-evil-7-has-sold-more-than-5-million-copie/1100-6458052/

The best-selling games of 2017 so far (Nov 2017). HZD was knocked out of the top 10

1. Call of Duty: WWII
2. Destiny 2**
3. NBA 2K18
4. Madden NFL 18
5. Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon: Wildlands
6. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild*
7. Grand Theft Auto V
8. For Honor
9. Injustice 2
10. Horizon Zero Dawn

Horizon Zero Dawn is 10th and ONLY on one platform. It's likely higher world wide based on chart data in other regions (For Honor, Injustice 2, NBA 2K18, Madden are lower in UK, Japan Etc.)

Your claim is invalid and evidence show otherwise. Sony's biggest exclusives are more popular than the majority of multi plat titles on the PS4 platform.

 

[octiny]

You used VGChartz, which is a very unreliable source.



That's your statement.

It's not mine.

Uncharted 4, Spider-Man, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn are among the top games sold on the PS4 platform.

YOU specifically stated that "only a certain percentage of PS4's install base buy their exclusives compared to ALL the AAA multi-plat sales titles as noted in the LTD/YTD PS4 Top 10"

1) You used UC4 sales\install base as proof that the majority don't care about exclusives
2) You said PS4's top 10.

Now lets use your so called "evidence"

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/games.php?console=PS4

Uncharted 4 is 6th at 10.17 million. Based on this website, only FIFA, Call of Duty and Gran Theft Auto 4 are above Uncharted 4. So you're saying most people don't care about the majority of AAA games because they only sell to a small percentage?

God of War and Spider-Man will more than likely surpass 10 million within a year. Sam can be said about The Last of Us.

What about the other games?

Killzone Shadowfall sold 2.1 units with the PS4 only had about 5 million copies on the market.
https://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/29/killzone-shadow-fall-sells-21-million-copies

Infamous Second Son 1 million in 9 days. The Playstation was probably around 8 million or so.
https://www.vg247.com/2014/04/10/infamous-second-son-sold-1-million-copies-in-nine-days/

Horizon Zero Dawn 7.6 million in one year.
https://www.sie.com/en/corporate/release/2018/180228.html

Last of Us 17 million across two platforms. Around 7 million on the PS4.
https://www.polygon.com/2018/6/14/17465488/the-last-of-us-sales-17-million-ps3-ps4




Witcher 3 - 6 million (May 19 - Aug 26 2015) on 3 Platforms
https://www.polygon.com/2015/8/26/9211833/the-witcher-3-has-sold-6-million-copies

NBA 2K18 - 10 million on 5 different platforms
https://venturebeat.com/2018/08/02/nba-2k18-hits-from-downtown-with-a-record-10-million-copies-sold/

Final Fantasy 15 - 7.6 million in under 2 years.
https://www.destructoid.com/final-f...on-sales-in-just-under-two-years-516081.phtml

Resident Evil 7 - 5 million copies
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/resident-evil-7-has-sold-more-than-5-million-copie/1100-6458052/

The best-selling games of 2017 so far (Nov 2017). HZD was knocked out of the top 10

1. Call of Duty: WWII
2. Destiny 2**
3. NBA 2K18
4. Madden NFL 18
5. Tom Clancy’s Ghost Recon: Wildlands
6. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild*
7. Grand Theft Auto V
8. For Honor
9. Injustice 2
10. Horizon Zero Dawn

Horizon Zero Dawn is 10th and ONLY on one platform. It's likely higher world wide based on chart data in other regions (For Honor, Injustice 2, NBA 2K18, Madden are lower in UK, Japan Etc.)

Your claim is invalid and evidence show otherwise. Sony's biggest exclusives are more popular than the majority of multi plat titles on the PS4 platform.

Lol I love how you nitpicked franchises to compare to PS4 exclusives. Just give it up man.

Retail global sales (not accounting for digital).

http://www.vgchartz.com/platform/69/playstation-4/

Until you can find me a Top 100 Global list such as the link above. Nothing will change.

You have 1 exclusive in the top 10, simple as that. You'll have 2 eventually and/or if it doesn't get bumped by another multi-platform AAA title by the end of the gen, cough RDR/Anthem cough.

What you're essentially admitting is out of all the PS4 exclusives, only a couple have sold well in comparison to its user base versus AAA multi-platforms. You use Uncharted as if all PS4 exclusives have sold as well as said game, far from it. Last of Us ran out of gas, God of War ran out of gas & Horizon Dawn ran out of gas. Spiderman is the only other game that has had some staying power, but eventually, it'll drop off the same.

So again, all you're doing is spitting out different ways to try & respond to me, but you're just regurgitating the same info.

Edit: It's funny you mention how certain game will pass certain milestones, as if, all AAA multi-platform games all of sudden stopped selling. There's a reason why AAA multi-plat games constantly chart in the top 10, staying power & the casual base. They don't drop off like most PS4 exclusives after a few months (hardcore's have already bought it), which again, is largely why they'll always make up the majority of LTD TOP 10 sales.

 

[DForce]

Lol I love how you nitpicked franchises to compare to PS4 exclusives. Just give it up man.

Retail global sales (not accounting for digital).

http://www.vgchartz.com/platform/69/playstation-4/

Until you can find me a Top 100 Global list such as the link above. Nothing will change.

You have 1 exclusive in the top 10, simple as that. You'll have 2 eventually and/or if it doesn't get bumped by another multi-platform AAA title by the end of the gen, cough RDR/Anthem cough.

What you're essentially admitting is out of all the PS4 exclusives, only a couple have sold well in comparison to its user base versus AAA multi-platforms. You use Uncharted as if all PS4 exclusives have sold as well as said game, far from it. Last of Us ran out of gas, God of War ran out of gas & Horizon Dawn ran out of gas. Spiderman is the only other game that has had some staying power, but eventually, it'll drop off the same.

So again, all you're doing is spitting out different ways to try & respond to me, but you're just regurgitating the same info.

VGChart makes up numbers. That's the only "evidence" you have and it's unreliable.







I used numbers. Legit numbers.

But let me use your VGChart numbers (which are flawed).

In the top 20, There's UC4, HZD, Spider-Man, Uncharted Collection and The Last of Us.

Remember I said to name franchises?

4 Call of Duty titles in the top 10
3 FIFA titles in the top 10.

4 Call of Duty titles in the top 20
4 FIFA titles in the top 20

That leaves us with

Grand Theft Auto
Star Wars Battlefront (SW:BF 2017 didn't sell as well as SW:BF 2015 BF)
Battlefield 1 (V didn't sell nearly as well as 1)
Red Dead Redemption
Destiny
Minecraft
Fallout 4

Spider-Man and God of War uses 1 month numbers and they're higher than what's being shown on VGChartz.

That's not a lot of titles within about 4 years into this generation. The reason why you couldn't name that many more was because there weren't many and your own list even proves it.

 

[octiny]

VGChart makes up numbers. That's the only "evidence" you have and it's unreliable.







I used numbers. Legit numbers.

But let me use your VGChart numbers (which are flawed).

In the top 20, There's UC4, HZD, Spider-Man, Uncharted Collection and The Last of Us.

Remember I said to name franchises?

4 Call of Duty titles in the top 10
3 FIFA titles in the top 10.

4 Call of Duty titles in the top 20
4 FIFA titles in the top 20

That leaves us with

Grand Theft Auto
Star Wars Battlefront (SW:BF 2017 didn't sell as well as SW:BF 2015 BF)
Battlefield 1 (V didn't sell nearly as well as 1)
Red Dead Redemption
Destiny
Minecraft
Fallout 4

Spider-Man and God of War uses 1 month numbers and they're higher than what's being shown on VGChartz.

That's not a lot of titles within about 4 years into this generation. The reason why you couldn't name that many more was because there weren't many and your own list even proves it.

They're franchises with multiple entries, no need to name more. They constantly chart top 10 time & again, & will make up 9/10 games in the Top 10 by the time the gen is over. It's almost embarrassing how good some of the games do. Take Fifa for example, update the roster & bam casuals will still buy the game week 1, every single year. FYI, numbers are less for every game on there because digital sales aren't included, as I noted in above post.

 

[DForce]

They're franchises with multiple entries, no need to name more. They constantly chart top 10 time & again, & will make up 9/10 games in the Top 10 by the time the gen is over. It's almost embarrassing how good some of the games do. Take Fifa for example, update the roster & bam casuals will still buy the game week 1, every single year. FYI, numbers are less for every game on there because digital sales aren't included, as I noted in above post.

Yet you want to believe everyone just plays those games.. Games like COD are expected to sell over 10 million.. But not many franchises sell that much, which proves your argument wrong.

 

[octiny]

Yet you want to believe everyone just plays those games.. Games like COD are expected to sell over 10 million.. But not many franchises sell that much, which proves your argument wrong.

The majority who buys the consoles, yes....which is the casuals. Buying the same games over & over. It's not really rocket science. We only make up a small percentage of sales, and when I saw "we". I mean people, such as ourselves, who bicker over the internet about consoles.

 

[DForce]

The majority who buys the consoles, yes....which is the casuals. Buying the same games over & over. It's not really rocket science. We only make up a small percentage of sales, and when I saw "we". I mean people, such as ourselves, who bicker over the internet about consoles.

You'll be right if that's the only games that they bought. Again, your argument makes no sense.

 

[octiny]

You'll be right if that's the only games that they bought. Again, your argument makes no sense.

We'll agree to disagree then. Anyways, full numbers should come on Monday. We can continue bickering then.

 

[Stuart360]

Is there really a need for so much salt whenever Xbox has a decent month?, i mean PS4 still won the month so.

 

[woigemok]

Is there really a need for so much salt whenever Xbox has a decent month?, i mean PS4 still won the month so.

Well, the insecurity of SDF should never be underestimated.

 

[TLZ]

Well, the insecurity of SDF should never be underestimated.

The irony.

 

[Klayzer]

The irony.

The anti-Sony posters are really upset.

 

[flashfire926]

D force, just give up before you're embarrassed even further.

 

[DForce]

D force, just give up before you're embarrassed even further.

"Embarrassed"

Yeah, I wasn't the only one telling him that he's wrong. Looks like you're just siding with him, even though facts prove him wrong.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Is there really a need for so much salt whenever Xbox has a decent month?, i mean PS4 still won the month so.

There was ample

S1: “Oh my God, people focus on this stat that makes PS4 look bad and God look at the end of the pre-season and into the only period that counts and OMG those other consoles are not doing worse YoY, come back, blue shell!!!! (and add the NPD appropriate, but still... U.S. market is the only one that counts...)”

S2: “WTF?!?”

S1: “Just banter fam, just banter... why so insecure about PS4...?!?”

. Not bannable and par for the course for NPD threads .

 

[demigod]

We'll agree to disagree then. Anyways, full numbers should come on Monday. We can continue bickering then.

Nice way to bail out when you were proven wrong .

 

[DForce]

People shouldn't use VGChartz in a debate.

 

[octiny]

"Embarrassed"

Yeah, I wasn't the only one telling him that he's wrong. Looks like you're just siding with him, even though facts prove him wrong.

The delusion is real with this one.

Clearly you're on a roll when you have TLW & demigod attempting to back you up lol.

I'm almost surprised & disappointed a few more of the Sony warrior defense force didn't pop up, as they usually do when I post.

Nice way to bail out when you were proven wrong .

Lol not a bail out at all. I've proven everything I said from the very first post in this thread. You know, the one you failed to debate on & copped out? Then attempted to say you were busy, when in reality you were liking posts after you gave up lol.

People shouldn't use VGChartz in a debate.

Is that your cop out? Lol tweets. Nice one my dude. Seriously, provide a more accurate overall chart and we'll get somewhere. Until then, all you're doing it nitpicking numbers, which aren't even global & attempting to make a point...to no avail.

In the end, PS4 has 1....I repeat, one exclusive game in it's Top 10 LTD sales. Both globally & in the US. Possibly 0 by the time KH3 & other yearly AAA multi-plat games launch. Which from the beginning of this thread as I said, confirms exclusives don't sell the majority of consoles. Do they help? Sure. But you'd be foolish to think exclusives sell the majority of consoles, which is primarily made up of casuals. Xbox sales on the uprise further confirms this notion, exclusives are only a small part of the larger picture....outside of Nintendo.

D force, just give up before you're embarrassed even further.

Lol pretty much.

 

[Sparda]

That spin and damage controls in this thread though

Yeah, i see your spin about ps4 winning in november. You are truly an unsecure console warrior.

 

[Mooreberg]

You realize you are comparing a hardware device probably near at it peak with a hardware device near to be replaced.

Switch sales are its 2nd year.
PS4 sales are its 5th year.

The biggest surprise here is not Switch sales with Pokemon and Smash...

The biggest surprise is PS4 being up YoY in sales after its 5th year with PS5 with near tease.

This is why I asked earlier in the thread what the precedents are for one successful product vs. another successful product released years later, but nobody has mentioned anything. PS4 is currently at 80% of Wii's lifetime sales and will pass it, all with Japan being a husk of a market. That would have been unthinkable in 2012 (granted, nobody could have predicted Xbox's 2013 PR cycle being an impressionist rendition of what Sony accomplished in 2006). Literally nobody is explaining what is supposed to be surprising about what is going on the market lately. You'd had to have been in a coma the last twenty months to think Switch was another Wii U.

 

[demigod]

The delusion is real with this one.

Clearly you're on a roll when you have TLW & demigod attempting to back you up lol.

I'm almost surprised & disappointed a few more of the Sony warrior defense force didn't pop up, as they usually do when I post.



Lol not a bail out at all. I've proven everything I said from the very first post in this thread. You know, the one you failed to debate on & copped out? Then attempted to say you were busy, when in reality you were liking posts after you gave up lol.



Is that your cop out? Lol tweets. Nice one my dude. Seriously, provide a more accurate overall chart and we'll get somewhere. Until then, all you're doing it nitpicking numbers, which aren't even global & attempting to make a point...to no avail.

In the end, PS4 has 1....I repeat, one exclusive game in it's Top 10 LTD sales. Globally and just in the U.S.



Lol pretty much.

You were wrong on both accounts, deal with it

Oh look he said i copped out when I actually replied to him and his last post yesterday was “Clearly, everything is going over your head but I digress ”.

 

[DForce]

The delusion is real with this one.

Clearly you're on a roll when you have TLW & demigod attempting to back you up lol.

I'm almost surprised & disappointed a few more of the Sony warrior defense force didn't pop up, as they usually do when I post.



Lol not a bail out at all. I've proven everything I said from the very first post in this thread. You know, the one you failed to debate on & copped out? Then attempted to say you were busy, when in reality you were liking posts after you gave up lol.



Is that your cop out? Lol tweets. Nice one my dude. Seriously, provide a more accurate overall chart and we'll get somewhere. Until then, all you're doing it nitpicking numbers, which aren't even global & attempting to make a point...to no avail.

In the end, PS4 has 1....I repeat, one exclusive game in it's Top 10 LTD sales. Globally and just in the U.S.



Lol pretty much.

I provided numbers of actual sales.

You posted numbers from VGChartz and continued to move the goalpost.

And my cop out? You're debating with me by using false numbers. Why don't you try using a legitimate source and now an inaccurate one?

You don't make the rules by saying "Only the top 10."

You just love to move the goalpost to fit your narrative. You even named Final Fantasy XV as a game that sells more than PS Exclusives when Horizon, UC4, Spider-Man, God of War have or either will surpass it in the near future.

 

[octiny]

I provided numbers of actual sales.

You posted numbers from VGChartz and continued to move the goalpost.

And my cop out? You're debating with me by using false numbers. Why don't you try using a legitimate source and now an inaccurate one?

You don't make the rules by saying "Only the top 10."

You just love to move the goalpost to fit your narrative. You even named Final Fantasy XV as a game that sells more than PS Exclusives when Horizon, UC4, Spider-Man, God of War have or either will surpass it in the near future.

So because in your opinion, you think estimates, which obviously aren't 100% exact, but close enough to give a clearer estimate of larger picture, is a cop out? Try harder.

It's funny, because a few members a couple pages back essentially explained what certain people do here. Push a false narrative, which is exactly what you're doing. But hey, you do you. I won't stop you.

Did you just say FXV will be passed by Horizon? Zero chance in hell. You fail to realize, Horizon dropped like a rock. It's not passing anything. I'm not sure if you've noticed, PS4 exclusives are front-loaded. Similar to a lot of large blockbuster movies, they do great in the first week @ the BO but drop like a rock afterwards. It has no chance of catching FXV. As I mentioned in a previous post, multi-platform titles don't all of a sudden stop selling so PS4 exclusives can catch up lol. By the time this gen ends, I'm willing to guess the only PS4 exclusive in the top 10 will be Last of Us 2. With Uncharted being pushed by newer AAA MP titles.

You were wrong on both accounts, deal with it

Oh look he said i copped out when I actually replied to him and his last post yesterday was “Clearly, everything is going over your head but I digress ”.

 

[demigod]

You don't make the rules by saying "Only the top 10."

You just love to move the goalpost to fit your narrative.

Actually he does make the rules to fit his narrative.

Profit margins do not matter......unless its Nintendo.
Exclusives do not matter......unless its Nintendo.

Edit : oh btw make sure you tell him you’re going to bed for work or you’re at work before he thinks you “copped out”.

 

[Sparda]

Repeat after me: if my favourite piece of plastic doesn't win it's fine...

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Did you just say FXV will be passed by Horizon? Zero chance in hell. You fail to realize, Horizon dropped like a rock. It's not passing anything. I'm not sure if you've noticed, PS4 exclusives are front-loaded. Similar to a lot of large blockbuster movies, they do great in the first week @ the BO but drop like a rock afterwards. It has no chance of catching FXV. As I mentioned in a previous post, multi-platform titles don't all of a sudden stop selling so PS4 exclusives can catch up lol. By the time this gen ends, I'm willing to guess the only PS4 exclusive in the top 10 will be Last of Us 2. With Uncharted being pushed by newer AAA MP titles.

I always found it weird Sony's SP focused games drop off so much in sales (very front loaded).

SP games can be played at anytime without having to worry about the types of things most of the third party games focus on - MP experiences. Someone wanting to play competitively should theoretically lead to huge front loaded sales because nobody wants to start playing online 6 months later when everyone else has already mastered maps, unlocked all weapons or in sports games already know the technique and boosted their rosters.

Sports games are also seasonal. Yet somehow good ones still sell well even 8 months later (FIFA and NBA2k). Fading away when the new game comes out or the seasons are ending. Good shooters also can be top 10 sellers for a while. Sony games disappear fast.

On the other hand, it makes no difference whether you play UC or God of War now or a year later as you aren't competing with anyone.

 

[DForce]

So because in your opinion, you think estimates, which obviously aren't 100% exact, but close enough to give a clearer estimate of larger picture, is a cop out? Try harder.

It's funny, because a few members a couple pages back essentially explained what certain people do here. Push a false narrative, which is exactly what you're doing. But hey, you do you. I won't stop you.

Did you just say FX will be passed by Horizon? Zero chance in hell. You fail to realize, Horizon dropped like a rock. It's not passing anything. I'm not sure if you've noticed, PS4 exclusives are front-loaded. Similar to a lot of large blockbuster movies, they do great in the first week @ the BO but drop like a rock afterwards. It has no chance of catching FV. As I mentioned in a previous post, ....multi-platform titles don't all of a sudden stop selling so PS4 exclusives can catch up lol. By the time this gen ends, I'm willing to guess the only PS4 exclusive in the top 10 will be Last of Us 2. With Uncharted being pushed by AAA MP titles.

Dude, you laughed at tweets from someone who ACTUALLY HAS NPD DATA. He is well known on both Resetera and NeoGAF forum. You're using FAKE numbers in a debate.

Did you just say FX will be passed by Horizon? Zero chance in hell. You fail to realize, Horizon dropped like a rock. It's not passing anything.

I posted numbers already.

Let's backtrack to your post from yesterday.

No problem lol. On average...

GTA
Call of Duty
Battlefront
Fifa
Fallout
Red Dead
Assassins Creed
Final Fantasy
Far Cry

I think it's clear that you're not paying attention.

Final Fantasy XV sold 7.7 million copies in less than TWO years
https://www.destructoid.com/final-f...on-sales-in-just-under-two-years-516081.phtml

Horizon Zero Dawn sold 7.6 million in one year.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/horizon-zero-dawn-sells-76-million-copies-setting-/1100-6457077/

This means it surpassed it in a shorter period of time. This is also one platform title vs a multiplatform title. So there are LESS than 7.7 copies sold on the PS4 platform.

multi-platform titles don't all of a sudden stop selling so PS4 exclusives can catch up lol

You don't know what you're talking about.

God of War and Spider-Man are still selling, and just because it doesn't chart, that doesn't mean the game is not selling well. NPD tracks revenue and makes their estimates. This means if a game that a multiplat game such as NBA 2K and God of War could sell the same amount of copies during the month of November, but God of War will rank lower because of the mount of revenue generated.

Let's look at another interesting fact.

God of War Was One of the Top 5 Best-Selling Products on Black Friday
https://www.playstationlifestyle.ne...lack-friday-best-selling/#rxbI6mmbzSplsf8C.99


I'm posting mere facts, and all you're doing is making up things and quoting inaccurate sources.

 

[DForce]

Actually he does make the rules to fit his narrative.

Profit margins do not matter......unless its Nintendo.
Exclusives do not matter......unless its Nintendo.

Edit : oh btw make sure you tell him you’re going to bed for work or you’re at work before he thinks you “copped out”.

It's just a twisted way of thinking. He says UC4 has a low attach rate as proof people don't care about exclusives, but the chart he's showing me has UC4 6th on the list. lol

 

[ethomaz]

Where did you post estimated numbers? On the OP you posted yoy and last year numbers
Where are this years numbers?

not everybody is a poke nerd -.-

There is no last year number in OP... this year estimates numbers I posted directly in the OP.