GoldenEye98
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- 4k output support for TV's (not actually render games at 4k)
- better wifi
- better dock
- more storage
- improved kickstand
- increased display size(bezel less in same form factor)
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Digital Foundry - New Nintendo Switch: 6 Hardware Upgrades We Must See
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Give me a 4K non-portable version. I'd pay $400 for it.
I do agree that internal 4K upscaling is a better option as it reduces input lag.
I do agree that internal 4K upscaling is a better option as it reduces input lag.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
The launch hardware is pretty solid compared to their usual efforts. It's why I was willing to buy one at launch.
Definitely agree with better wifi and a better dock (4+ USB ports, please), though my top request is for bigger joycons with more grip/molding on them for bigger hands like mine.
Definitely agree with better wifi and a better dock (4+ USB ports, please), though my top request is for bigger joycons with more grip/molding on them for bigger hands like mine.
Bullet Club
Member
Better battery life would be nice.
Fake
Member
4K output? Hard to believe, but anw. Is this revision suppose to be so agressive in hardware factor? If true this can increase much the price of NS. Nvidia will eat Nintendo stock by the way knowing how Nvidia used to ask for money.
Will be the PRO/X version right? Little revision PS4 used to be, but this is a huge jump using OLED screen, better hardware... sounds more like a even more premium device incoming. Maybe they really want to attract 3rd party devs like COD.
Will be the PRO/X version right? Little revision PS4 used to be, but this is a huge jump using OLED screen, better hardware... sounds more like a even more premium device incoming. Maybe they really want to attract 3rd party devs like COD.
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kunonabi
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All this and more is needed but they absolutely need to address the dock. It's just bonkers how abysmal the form factor and QC on the Switch is.
I'd also kill for joycons with circlepads and a dpad as an added alternative to the current ones.
QR scanning would also be nice since having to use amiibo to transfer mis is completely retarded.
I'd also kill for joycons with circlepads and a dpad as an added alternative to the current ones.
QR scanning would also be nice since having to use amiibo to transfer mis is completely retarded.
DunDunDunpachi
Patient MembeR
You're not using a glass screen protector?An improved dock that DOESN’T scratch your Switch, don’t forget that too
Regarding amiibo scanning, I think it would be cool if you could scan your NFC stuff directly on the Switch by tapping the screen, a bit like the New 3DS bottom screen.
You're not using a glass screen protector?
I actually am, but somehow, is it me or there’s still some little scratches even with the screen protector on it
Thiagosc777
Member
Why? The X1S can output in 4k.
Fake
Member
The 'revision'. And far I remember X1S do this watching movies don't him? In the NS case sounds more like a 'premium' device rather than a 'revision'.
They gonna sell both NS because if this 'revision' have all those pros the price will be far high than the original NS, unlike Xbox One vs Xbox One S price/revision.
Or X1S is more expansive than X1?
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KINDERFELD
Banned
I agree 100%
I personally think the wifi upgrade is the most crucial followed by the kickstand.
4K output is cool but I was personally impressed with how Switch games look in 900p on my 4K/HDR tv. Mario Odyssey particularly.
I already have a 500GB+ memory card so not too needy of storage atm.
I personally think the wifi upgrade is the most crucial followed by the kickstand.
4K output is cool but I was personally impressed with how Switch games look in 900p on my 4K/HDR tv. Mario Odyssey particularly.
I already have a 500GB+ memory card so not too needy of storage atm.
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Fake
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If you watched old DF videos or even John video/twitter, the way NS games looks on 4K tvs varies between tvs. Better ways to upcale = better image overall. Some 4k tvs do a terrible job, so I kinda understand why they maybe add the 4k output. John even mention he can't keep 'recommend' some 4k OLED tvs because they're expansive. A little 4k option could solve that.
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KINDERFELD
Banned
Well I guess my 4K tv was worth the thousands I spent on it. When I first fired up Mario Odyssey(900p docked resolution), I was very impressed that a portable system could have image quality like that docked. It made going from God of War on the Pro, a way less jarring experience in terms of downgrade than I was expecting.
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iconmaster
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Better screen, better battery, smaller and cheaper -- sure. Better kickstand -- why not?
But 4K output? Even in scaled form? Not gonna happen. Nintendo just does not care about that stuff until it becomes absolutely necessary. See: how long they took to get on the 1080p train.
But 4K output? Even in scaled form? Not gonna happen. Nintendo just does not care about that stuff until it becomes absolutely necessary. See: how long they took to get on the 1080p train.
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Fake
Member
Unlike my Samsung 4K TV I got here in Brazil. The worst 4K picture quality you could imagine. Trust me, this TV do a shit job in terms of upscale image. Really bad. And it was not cheap either...
Rodolink
Member
Just give me an improved docked that does more than simple be a charger. Imagine something like this Razer Videocard expansion or like the infamous
nowhat
Member
Oh, one more thing - a USB-C port also at the top of the device. Why, you ask? I think it's retarded to the extreme that while using the built-in kickstand (which, yes, does need improving too) you're unable to charge the device at the same time. It's just such a monumentally stupid design choice I cannot comprehend how it happened. Yes, you can get stands and such (and if you don't buy official Nintendo accessories, they're not that expensive), but the fact that you need one in the first place just boggles the mind.
zenspider
Member
These are actually all pretty reasonable.
No "enough power to have shite third-party AAA!" I ain't mad at ya DF!
I'd like to add bluetooth support as well - even if only in docked mode. I have a great case that acts as a multi-angle kickstand, but I'd probably use tabletop mode more if Switch's stock kickstand wasn't horrifying to use.
No "enough power to have shite third-party AAA!" I ain't mad at ya DF!
I'd like to add bluetooth support as well - even if only in docked mode. I have a great case that acts as a multi-angle kickstand, but I'd probably use tabletop mode more if Switch's stock kickstand wasn't horrifying to use.
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theHFIC
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i am guessing to guarantee bluetooth bandwidth performance when having 8 controllers connected to it. I think the PS4 only supports audio out of the first controller and that is part of the transport stream going to the controller rather than a separate bluetooth audio out.
Akuza89
Member
1) 4K output isn't needed really on a switch... especially if its not going to be rendering games at 4K and 4K isn't even that big yet to warrant making this change.
2) yes please. the wifi card sucks in the current switch, I can be in the same room as the router and still only have 2 bars on it... this really needs to get improved.
3) the dock does it's job in my eyes, yes it could be redesigned slightly to allow more air into the intakes, but otherwise it's fine as is.
4) yes it needs more storage, but that can be self improved with a micro SD card.
5) kickstand does need improvements, or even just an addition of a second leg on the other side would be helpful.
6) while this one sounds like a nice idea, given the switch's portable nature, some people would be less inclined to take it out and about or let the kids use it...
personally to me there's no point in a "new" switch yet, the current switch is still going strong and these upgrades won't actually warrant a new switch all together anyway even if they did all come true. (except the display side of things)
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Its almost always gonna be better if the device is doing the upscaling compared to the TV. TV upscaling can often lead to far more input lag.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
They could if they wanted to and I'd gladly pay a premium for it.Even if we look 4 years into the future, the max. we will see from BigN will be a switch with Base PS4 specs.
Gamecube, what a great piece of Hardware this was
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
I don't want increased screen size if it's the same resolution for portable. Prefer to keep at least the current PPI. 4K upscaling is whatever, if it's made to work better than TV upscaling OK then. Maybe contact UBI for some of the reconstruction techniques their games use, but that may not work for resolution modes as low as the Switch can get. More power, better connectivity, better kickstand and port placement, sure, bring it. I don't need a dock at all though, just make it output to HDMI via a HDMI to mini hdmi cable. Maybe a fancy stand as an 100% optional purchase to make it look nicer rather than just thrown under the TV or on the coffee table or whatever, sure. Have the same power modes docked and portable (so portable can be even better performing than docked given the lower resolution, or maybe they can bump its screen up to 1080p and fulfill the wishes for a slightly bigger screen too) with a better battery and maybe no fan needed with just passive cooling if the soc is made on a smaller process and what not. That's it.
So keep the Switch going for another 5 years with such upgrades before a next generation Switch 2 arrives, but also at some point make a home console with much more power for VR-only games (so offering a completely different experience people can't scream betrayal over for expecting to have all Nintendo games on the Switch alone). Utilize a design like the coming Oculus Quest but make it stream the games wirelessly, similar to the WiiU's GamePad, from a much more powerful console box (I'd say at least enough power to effortlessly drive Switch level games in 2x1080p stereoscopic 3D at 90fps so quite a bit more powerful for sure, anything better would be great too) rather than the Quest's built-in mobile chipset approach, use all that space and weight for the battery alone in Nintendo's system. I would say call it Wii Too (2) but WIiU managed to kill that brand so find a different name instead, something with VR in the title to drive the point home I guess. Yeah, absolutely none of this is going to happen, sadly
So keep the Switch going for another 5 years with such upgrades before a next generation Switch 2 arrives, but also at some point make a home console with much more power for VR-only games (so offering a completely different experience people can't scream betrayal over for expecting to have all Nintendo games on the Switch alone). Utilize a design like the coming Oculus Quest but make it stream the games wirelessly, similar to the WiiU's GamePad, from a much more powerful console box (I'd say at least enough power to effortlessly drive Switch level games in 2x1080p stereoscopic 3D at 90fps so quite a bit more powerful for sure, anything better would be great too) rather than the Quest's built-in mobile chipset approach, use all that space and weight for the battery alone in Nintendo's system. I would say call it Wii Too (2) but WIiU managed to kill that brand so find a different name instead, something with VR in the title to drive the point home I guess. Yeah, absolutely none of this is going to happen, sadly
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Uh, no. 4k output looks amazing on the GAMECUBE in Dolphin. Switch games look as rough as fuck at their resolution.
Within the next year, the PC will be the best platform to play Switch games on. Nintendo really needs to step up. I can't be the only one bored of this mediocrity.
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DreamsiclesPlz
Member
Internal 4k upscaling would be cool, but my Sony TV does a damn good job at handling the image. Looks great as is, but wouldn't mind a slight upgrade in the system.
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
It's coming in.2019 and call Xperia XZ4, Galaxy S 10 line and Iphones 2019.
DF wish list is never going to happen on a Nintendo hardware, we all know it. In 2100 Nintendo fans will always sing the same old song "720 p is enought". It's a lost case. DF should deal with it.
I'm already playing NES, SNES, N64, GAMECUBE, WII (not that i like it), GBA, DS on my Note 9. In the next weeks 3ds is coming. It's such a great experience on that screen, the Futur Is Now and it's not written by Nintendo.
DF wish list is never going to happen on a Nintendo hardware, we all know it. In 2100 Nintendo fans will always sing the same old song "720 p is enought". It's a lost case. DF should deal with it.
I'm already playing NES, SNES, N64, GAMECUBE, WII (not that i like it), GBA, DS on my Note 9. In the next weeks 3ds is coming. It's such a great experience on that screen, the Futur Is Now and it's not written by Nintendo.
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Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
I assume they want it for around $300 and not $1000 or subsidized with equally expensive mobile telephony contracts. Just an upgrade to match the current price while the current Switch gets a discount. And yes modded consoles also emulate old systems (I don't think Switch or Vita have enough power for Dolphin, but I also doubt your Note 9 has enough power for WiiU emulation - which Switch can run the native ports of - or a hypothetical equally advanced Switch emulator, I'm confident you won't even run all the best 3DS games acceptably since the PC branch of the best 3DS emu still has issues regardless of spec).
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I Love Rock 'n' Roll
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More like 600/700€ for the entry models. It has been leaked for months now.
GoldenEye98
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It's coming in.2019 and call Xperia XZ4, Galaxy S 10 line and Iphones 2019.
DF wish list is never going to happen on a Nintendo hardware, we all know it. In 2100 Nintendo fans will always sing the same old song "720 p is enought". It's a lost case. DF should deal with it.
I'm already playing NES, SNES, N64, GAMECUBE, WII (not that i like it), GBA, DS on my Note 9. In the next weeks 3ds is coming. It's such a great experience on that screen, the Futur Is Now and it's not written by Nintendo.
If you actually look at what Digital Foundry is advocating it's actually pretty conservative and not even really focused on the performance side of things...other than wifi and more storage...which i don't really count. He even says in the video that 720p is fine for a screen that size.
Chozofication_
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nowhat
Member
The internal storage is not expandable, but you can add a microSD card (if it's fast enough) and use it for additional storage. I'm not sure whether there's a maximum size for the card, but you can easily double or quadruple even the amount of storage on a Switch.
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Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
You don't like games Dirthead, stop the pretend. All you care for is to push the PCMR angle as deep in the human skin as possible, little buzzing bee.
And Switch games are actually in emulation too, just not as advanced yet as Dolphin, so i dunno if 4K support is already achievable.
Thankfully Switch sales showcase that Nintendo has zero zero zero reason to step it up because of some guy on the internet, as clearly they can sell their device like hot cakes to a market that apparently loves the concept of a handheld and a console in one go.
Fake
Member
I think they don't even need to add to the list because in the video they showed the info about the revision switch. If look close, have a mention about a OLED screen just like the iphone. OLED pretty much reduce the screen reflection.