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Please tell me exactly how the price is higher on Steam because I have to pay 60 bucks on epic too for the game.
It'd be cheaper on Steam because you'd buy it from cdkeys.com.
Please tell me exactly how the price is higher on Steam because I have to pay 60 bucks on epic too for the game.
No he is not. They knew about this exclusiv deal sometime after E3 2018. So at that point they should have pulled it from the store and everything would have been ok. This however was 14 days before the release to have as much free advertising on another platform as possible. It was absolutene shitty move. Legal? Yeah sure but that does not mean it is ok.Tim is absolutely right. GAF needs to buy a clue. You’re either for free market capitalism or you aren’t. It’s not a situational deal.
It'd be cheaper on Steam because you'd buy it from cdkeys.com.
*Sigh* this again, and I have to explain AGAIN. I am in favour of competition. Most of us are. Gog do it right by offering something to the consumer, DRM-free games.Although I don't think his anology is perfect, I have never understood the gamer community's resistance to challengers of steam. At that time, Valve was the shit and had given us a technical platform that was WAY ahead of the competition. Same with their games. Looking at this decades later it turned out just like a few brave ones predicted with such a dominant player. Valve barely produces memorable games and steam as a platform has stagnated.
More competition is always better for the consumer in the long term.
Although I don't think his anology is perfect, I have never understood the gamer community's resistance to challengers of steam. At that time, Valve was the shit and had given us a technical platform that was WAY ahead of the competition. Same with their games. Looking at this decades later it turned out just like a few brave ones predicted with such a dominant player. Valve barely produces memorable games and steam as a platform has stagnated.
More competition is always better for the consumer in the long term.
We already have competition like humble and GOG. What epic does is trying to become a monopoly themselves by moneyhatting titles into exclusivity. If this continues, all that will happen is that Valve will buy exclusive deals themselves with more and better devs as they have the higher user numbers and better service.
That logic only works when you achieve same sales numbers which is already ridiculous to think will happen. That's the point in this. You sell way more copies on Steam because of the user base etc. You won't sell as much on the epic store.
Additionally you forget that the cut gets smaller the more you sell down to 20% on Steam.
Also, the developer doesn't get this money. It's the publisher that gets it. Whether he decides to give more to the dev or not is up to him.
If a developer negotiates a sale price on another store than it reinforces Sweeney's argument. If the Metro developers wanted a certain price point for their IP, it is completely reasonable for them to ask that. If they wanted $50 dollars per copy sold, and they would have to charge more on Steam than on Epic store, then it's in their right to make exclusive arrangements with other stores.
You don't think sales projections influence pricing? Steams' user base is only what it is because they were first to market and offer cheap games.
This isn't a compelling argument in favor of Steam.
I said in simple terms to illustrate a point. Yes. Publishers get the money which then "trickle down" to developers.
I doubt it trickles down, the development team would be on a salary contract no doubt. They might get a better bonus, might.
Of course they can make their game exclusive to whomever they like. Thats not the point, we as consumers don't have to like their choices.
Also claiming the reason they did it was because they wanted to sell the game at 50$ is absurd, the game still costs the same outside the US. They did it because Epic threw money at them.
The exclusivity isn't the point I'm trying to make either. Yes. In this one case, Epic mostly likely influenced the content to be only the Epic store.
Moving forward, the point I'm trying to convey is that the bean-counters want the most money for their titles. Epic (and soon be others) give those bean-counters more money from each and every sale. The bean-counters are going to get real use to having more money in their pockets. Expect more and more titles to ditch Steam during the initial launch window.
Look I get it. There is a ton of gamers with deep ties to Steam. But that is changing. There are simply too many "big dogs" wanting in on the action. Can you imagine if Twitch or Google announced a PC gaming store with zero fees? It could happen.
PC gaming has always been fairly decentralized (outside of Windows). People buy hardware components from a ton of different vendors. This is a good thing for the industry. It is also a good thing that the industry is finally moving to a decentralized software model as well.
In fact, if you look up titles on https://isthereanydeal.com, you will already see most game titles aren't available on all stores.
Tim is absolutely right. GAF needs to buy a clue. You’re either for free market capitalism or you aren’t. It’s not a situational deal.
Ah, but they did for the new Supra (BMW) and the FRS (Subaru).Toyota actually made their cars. They didn't go to Ford to money hat them because they wanted a certain car from them.
Imagine unironically buying $800 nikesI have to to to Nike for the new $800 kicks though.
"Do we have the right to buy a Toyota at a Ford dealer?"
I dont support free market ideologically, i guess i can support it when it benefits me as a consumer. But free market can be a nice way of saying the big fish abusing its power and influence and fucking up the consumer and i dont support that.Tim is absolutely right. GAF needs to buy a clue. You’re either for free market capitalism or you aren’t. It’s not a situational deal.
*Sigh* this again, and I have to explain AGAIN. I am in favour of competition. Most of us are. Gog do it right by offering something to the consumer, DRM-free games.
A game being on Epic reduces competition. A game on Steam can release anywhere it likes. It can be sold cheaper elsewhere and Steam will even fulfill that order.
A game tied exclusively to Epic is one price, Epic's price. A game on Steam is usually on green man gaming, cdkeys, etc and thus available at many competing prices, ergo more competition, and that's before you even factor in the likes of gog and itch.
I also fail to see how it builds a competitor to steam. Big games like the division 2 are available through Ubisofts Uplay, and since I already have games like R6 siege on there I don't have any issue at all getting it from Uplay rather than using epics store to get a Uplay game and all the other games are timed exclusives of which neither seems like a one hit wonder or anything that I can't wait a year for so I'm not missing out on anything. If anything I even gain from it. Metro will come out a year later to steam and by then probably a new GPU generation with improved RTX performance so I can play that game with its supposed good RTX features for cheaper money and still get the full experience and satisfactory launched ad early access so after a year I can buy the finished product and don't have to alpha test ist.In a vacuum it reduces competition. IF you're only talking about that game for that period of time.
But that's a narrow short term point of view.
IN the long run the buying of exclusives helps build a competitor to STeam.
I also fail to see how it builds a competitor to steam. Big games like the division 2 are available through Ubisoft's Uplay, and since I already have games like R6 siege on there I don't have any issue at all getting it from Uplay rather than using epics store to get a Uplay game and all the other games are timed exclusives of which neither seems like a one-hit wonder or anything that I can't wait a year for so I'm not missing out on anything. If anything I even gain from it. Metro will come out a year later to steam and by then probably a new GPU generation with improved RTX performance so I can play that game with its supposed good RTX features for cheaper money and still get the full experience and satisfactory launched ad early access so after a year I can buy the finished product and don't have to alpha test ist.
I actually don't see any drawback for me. They can keep on shelving money out if they want to. Devs like Microsofts game Studios, From Software, Capcom and many more don't see any reason for even co-releasing on epic and stick to steam, so what exactly should I fear from missing out?
I also fail to see how it builds a competitor to steam. Big games like the division 2 are available through Ubisofts Uplay, and since I already have games like R6 siege on there I don't have any issue at all getting it from Uplay rather than using epics store to get a Uplay game and all the other games are timed exclusives of which neither seems like a one hit wonder or anything that I can't wait a year for so I'm not missing out on anything. If anything I even gain from it. Metro will come out a year later to steam and by then probably a new GPU generation with improved RTX performance so I can play that game with its supposed good RTX features for cheaper money and still get the full experience and satisfactory launched ad early access so after a year I can buy the finished product and don't have to alpha test ist.
I actually don't see any draw back for me. They can keep on shelving money out if they want to. Devs like Microsofts game Studios, From Software, Capcom and many more don't see any reason for even co releasing on epic and stick to steam, so what exactly should I fear from missing out?
Tim is absolutely right. GAF needs to buy a clue. You’re either for free market capitalism or you aren’t. It’s not a situational deal.
This only applies to games developed by or published by Epic, otherwise that analogy doesn't work.
I doubt they will match Steam, though.
No the original post was right. Exclusives are in the free market.Protectionieahm is the literal opposite of free market breh
Yeah these things work at scale. Not on a personal level. When someone puts out an ad to increase sales it doesn't mean any one person is going to go out and buy their product or shop their store. The ad isn't ineffective just because you personally aren't buying or because you personally can get the product somewhere else. An effective ad, in this example, means more people buy their product or shop their store.
IT's the same thing with the buying of exclusives. IT's effective if it gets more people in the door. And getting more people in the door is how you build a competing store.