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[Breakage]

The thing I find remarkable is that Microsoft thought millions of people of were clamouring for more Crackdown as if it were a beloved Xbox franchise. Software-wise, Microsoft really need to get it together for next gen.

 

[Calibos]

Okay Dad.

You're right of course, gamers all over the world can't wait for the digital only and streaming future.

I do quite like the 'plastic fucking boxes' though.....

Yeah, that was a bit crazy.

 

[Sparda]

Wow

Ignore xbots, they live in other reality. Ms ditched scalebound for this useless tech demo... what a mess.

 

[Thiagosc777]

I'm sure MS cares, they just don't know what they're doing.. Look at Windows 10, Windows Phone, Window Store, Surface etc. I'm expecting The Initiative(wtf) to be a train wreck as well.

Based on metacritic score? All they have to do is to create a walking simulator with a little girl or boy, emotions and feminism. That's a guaranteed 10/10 with the media.

But I'd rather play fun games.

 

[Hendrick's]

Is it safe to say that Crackdown 3 is to X1 as No Man’s Sky is to PS4?

No

 

[iconmaster]

Easy Allies review in progress:

What I’ve already experienced of Crackdown 3 has been alarmingly sub-par. The world is boring, the humor is stale, the missions are repetitive, and the visuals are surprisingly poor on the Xbox One.

 

[Thiagosc777]

Ignore xbots, they live in other reality. Ms ditched scalebound for this useless tech demo... what a mess.

Scalebound was universally ridiculed by everyone before its cancellation.

 

[ethomaz]

Based on metacritic score? All they have to do is to create a walking simulator with a little girl or boy, emotions and feminism. That's a guaranteed 10/10 with the media.

But I'd rather play fun games.

Sadly you are not playing a lot fun games this gen...

 

[evanft]

Here's the sequence for most Xbox exclusives that aren't Forza:

- Game takes forever to develop
- Original footage/promises/etc. does not align with what is eventually released
- Game releases to mediocre at best review scores
- Fanboys will use whatever excuse they can find to white knight it
- Everyone forgets within six months and the cycle continues with the next game

 

[demigod]

The mainstream media reviewing games...

Oh.

I'll send you a box of tissue for $60, looks like you could use it.

Based on metacritic score? All they have to do is to create a walking simulator with a little girl or boy, emotions and feminism. That's a guaranteed 10/10 with the media.

But I'd rather play fun games.

For someone that doesn't care about the media's reviews, you sure post a lot in this thread. Go play your fun games.

 

[ethomaz]

Easy Allies review in progress:

Mainstream media lol

 

[Calibos]

And thus it starts. SoT was great, SoD2 was great, Crackdown too! It's a conspiracy I say.

Thank goodness for GP. The one thing that makes it valuable to me is letting me demo games so I don't buy them. It has kept me from buying 3-4 games now. Ironically it has not sold a game to me, which I think was their intent.

SoT and and SoD2 are actually pretty great games...Expectations in check, they are easily two of my favs for last year. These plus CD3 are also completely unique experiences which gives them more legs to me. I do hope in the future though that the Devs of MS games get all the resources and direction they need.

Crackdown 3 made by Insomniac would have been my choice...not Sumo. Insomniac's style and insanity in Sunset Overdrive would have been put to great use here. Shame. I'll still play the shit out of it though. ORBS after all!

 

[DForce]

Looks like Crackdown to me...Original game style with massively improved visuals and a huge open world to collect Orbs in...who gives a shit about the reviews for this game...they never mattered on the original either.

I seriously don't get this mentality.

If people want Microsoft to do better, then their games need to get better, too. You're free to have your opinion, but if you believe MS is going to do great next gen, then you want them to start producing better quality titles to help bring people to their platform.

 

[mejin]

holy shit this thread. I believe in Phil Spencer in full force. A sad day for America.

 

[AstroRhino]

Is it safe to say that Crackdown 3 is to X1 as No Man’s Sky is to PS4?

Not even close.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Not really surprised about the scores. I got a feeling Microsoft only released this because they had to, more or less.

Yeah after all the hot air cloud talk and exponential power blah blah and canceling scale bound they definitely felt pressure to release.

 

[Thiagosc777]

For someone that doesn't care about the media's reviews, you sure post a lot in this thread. Go play your fun games.

My goal is to expose your arguments for others who might read this. I don't care about the mainstream media, so much so I don't even visit the metacritic website. They aren't gamers nor particularly knowledgeable about the medium.

 

[Sparda]

Scalebound was universally ridiculed by everyone before its cancellation.

Not from me. It had more potential than crackdown

 

[ResilientBanana]

This is suppose to be xbox's savior? The xbox's great comeback? As someone who's never owned an xbox but respected their attempt at a console with the 360 this is just sad.

I don't believe for a second that scalebound would not have turned out better than this.

I don't believe it was ever touted as that. From the looks of it, it looks very similar to the first Crackdown, which is not necessarily a bad thing. But there is a severe lack of evolution that I think the series needed. At this point, however, I think Xbox is riding this generation out until Scarlet.

 

[AgentP]

Is it safe to say that Crackdown 3 is to X1 as No Man’s Sky is to PS4?

So Crackdown 3 is coming to the PS4 next year?

 

[ethomaz]

Not from me. It had more potential than crackdown

It indeed had potential but it dev state was worst than CD3 imo... the demo was a mess.

 

[Thiagosc777]

I seriously don't get this mentality.

If people want Microsoft to do better, then their games need to get better, too. You're free to have your opinion, but if you believe MS is going to do great next gen, then you want them to start producing better quality titles to help bring people to their platform.

The problem here is, you equate metacritic score to "get better". According to whom? There are several real ways measuring of performance of a game, like sales or engagement, metacritic count reviews from people who aren't gamers isn't one of them.

 

[-MD-]

Is it safe to say that Crackdown 3 is to X1 as No Man’s Sky is to PS4?

Nah, No Man's Sky had a lot of people clamoring for it so it was an actual disappointment, Crackdown 3 had like a dozen screaming fans over the last 5 years.

Nobody will remember that this game even exists in a couple weeks.

 

[Calibos]

I seriously don't get this mentality.

If people want Microsoft to do better, then their games need to get better, too. You're free to have your opinion, but if you believe MS is going to do great next gen, then you want them to start producing better quality titles to help bring people to their platform.

I want MS to do better, but this title has been in dev since MS started this gen with a Mattrick dud. It's based around unproven tech and has changed developer hands in the middle. I only expected the middle bar here and the overall gaming bar has been raised so high this gen that there is no way this title would compete. MS seems to have hit a major reset button the past 2 years, but this game is a casualty of bygone leadership and Sumo was not the right choice for developing it...pain to see.

The mentality is that my expectations are reasonable, not fanboy fueled like some. I think that the game will be fun, especially considering I played the first on for a couple hundred hours with a long time friend.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

No, realistically, 5 is average, 6 is above average, 7 is good, 8 is great, 9 is almost perfect and 10 is fecking incredible.

I guess I don't ever play any average games then.

These scores are about what I expected.

 

[mekes]

Well, I played the original game and thought that was fun. Why they thought they had to use this games development as a conduit to channel a technology that is currently unrealistic is anybodies guess. They really messed up which is a shame given they’ve built the game up and paraded it for so long.

 

[GenericUser]

Played the first crackdown and even that was shit, no wonder crackdown 3 sucks. They should put the IP to rest or reboot it.

 

[Calibos]

So Crackdown 3 is coming to the PS4 next year?

Maybe! if you look at MS's strategy long term. Of course, Sony would have to allow it...

 

[LuvOfThaGame]

Put 4 hours into the beta. Loved every second. Shows critics aren't always right. Alot of the times, its personal taste. Hell, several in this thread swear by GTS as the best racing game. Got mediocre reviews at launch as well.

 

[bilderberg]

Scalebound died for this

 

[Xenon]

I'm not bothered by these numbers. Reviewers seem to heavily favor story driven games with cinematic presentation. Sadly games like Crackdown won't rate high in the current gaming media because it's not some indie title that hits above it's weight nor is it some drama laden experience in which they can marvel us with their astute understanding of it's deeper themes and feels. It's a fun game which simply isn't that interesting to write about. Though I'm tempted to look and see how Waypoint politicizes it just for a laugh.

 

[VALCON 82]

just a comparison (food for thought/discussion).
Crackdown 3 for XBOX has a 61/62 at this point and took roughly 5 years to make. don't know budget.

Darksiders 3 got a 69 for XBOX and took approx.2-2.5 years to make but on a multiplatform project? This game got its fair share of criticisms to boot. THQ said they only needed 100,000 copies to turn a profit/ entertain another entry.

 

[Codes 208]

And people acted like I was crazy when I said the multiplayer was bad...

 

[StormCell]

So you won't play the game, but still want to talk shit about it. And ignored the fact that Crackdown 3 is a sequel Crackdown 1, recreating what was great about the first game.

It is ok not to like Crackdown, but your misinformed post seem to imply that somehow they didn't deliver. By the sounds of it, Crackdown 3 is exactly what Crackdown fans would want.

I'll tell you what: I'll watch some more video of it. I admit that what I've watched so far was less flattering, and based on only some of the comments I read in this thread I may have jumped to judgment. What I've seen looks like a mess, and so I called it as such. Once I see some enthusiasts playing it, I'll get a much better look.

But I'll likely still not play the game anytime soon because I'm not buying an XB1. I look forward to Crackdown 3 on XB2 along with, hopefully, a new Fable.

 

[-MD-]

Scalebound died for this

Imagine how atrocious Scalebound was if they decided to bin that and carry on with this.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

Ok, so IGN and Gamespot are the ultimate authority on games now.

Haha

I look forward to your glowing review.

 

[demigod]

I want MS to do better, but this title has been in dev since MS started this gen with a Mattrick dud. It's based around unproven tech and has changed developer hands in the middle. I only expected the middle bar here and the overall gaming bar has been raised so high this gen that there is no way this title would compete. MS seems to have hit a major reset button the past 2 years, but this game is a casualty of bygone leadership and Sumo was not the right choice for developing it...pain to see.

The mentality is that my expectations are reasonable, not fanboy fueled like some. I think that the game will be fun, especially considering I played the first on for a couple hundred hours with a long time friend.

Blame it on Mattrick again. This was Phil's game.

 

[Jaw1love]

Man some of these reviews are insane "crackdown 3 is no spider man, 3 out of 10"
Like lol when was this ever going to be a spider man level game

 

[Voost Kain]

There are 30 reviews waiting for post release, and 10 of the current reviews will adjust points based on how the game handles after launch to see how the servers stack. It's too early to come too conclusion. It could very well be a high 60 low 70 game, but the outlets with top scale weight on MC haven't come out yet.

 

[IncognitoPanda]

This is suppose to be xbox's savior? The xbox's great comeback? As someone who's never owned an xbox but respected their attempt at a console with the 360 this is just sad.

I don't believe for a second that scalebound would not have turned out better than this.

It was never supposed to be Xbox's saviour. It was a cheap way ro show "we care about our IP" from the starte of the gen. While showing off the power of rhe cloud. In my eyes at least, it was never intended to bw more than a marketing piece, and everygame from that era ended up meh.

 

[Jaw1love]

- Original footage/promises/etc. does not align with what is eventually released

Lol so like anthem you mean

 

[Alter_Fridge]

More like Craptown 3 amirite?

 

[DanielsM]

Blame it on Mattrick again. This was Phil's game.

The thing that is interesting about Mattrick, is technically the Xbox had its best years under him. (now I'm not saying that is the complete picture) Its been a slow grind down. I would say its a Nadella thing i.e. cloud, the Cloud Boy has been busy shutting down Microsoft's consumer products i.e. Games for Windows Live, Microsoft Band, Xbox Kinect, Xbox Entertainment Studios, Groove Music (formerly Xbox/Zune Music), Windows Phone (technically support through 2019), Cortana (basically abandoned at this point), etc.

The good years to me for Xbox were 2001-2008ish, good hardware other than RROD, and good games... 1st party and 3rd party exclusives.

Now its about Cloud. (smh)

 

[insanexer]

The Xbox warrios are clinging to John's DF review saying he liked it visually and thought it was fun. You can't cherry pick one review and dismiss the 50+ metacritic reviews at the same time. Start demanding better games and you will receive better games. You defend crap and you will continue to receive crap.

 

[AstroRhino]

Man some of these reviews are insane "crackdown 3 is no spider man, 3 out of 10"
Like lol when was this ever going to be a spider man level game

Yep, but they were referring to 'Spiderman : Return of the Sinister Six' lol

One for the kids there...

 

[Gamernyc78]

Based on metacritic score? All they have to do is to create a walking simulator with a little girl or boy, emotions and feminism. That's a guaranteed 10/10 with the media.

But I'd rather play fun games.

Yeah Milo was a hit! That hot air, vaporware was the best. They should have put CD3 in the same corner they put Milo and the piles of kinects. Software wise Microsoft is just not up there and ppl need to stop defending them.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Seems to me like a Crackdown 1 remaster only improved a bit. That I think makes the average review score a little unfair and should maybe be about 10% higher. Still it’s not really good enough for a supposed AAA 1st party game.

If you like the original though it’s another good game, looks quite nice on the X too.

 

[dipsylalapo]

I'm not bothered by these numbers. Reviewers seem to heavily favor story driven games with cinematic presentation. Sadly games like Crackdown won't rate high in the current gaming media because it's not some indie title that hits above it's weight nor is it some drama laden experience in which they can marvel us with their astute understanding of it's deeper themes and feels. It's a fun game which simply isn't that interesting to write about. Though I'm tempted to look and see how Waypoint politicizes it just for a laugh.

Think about it in the context of the games price. Would it have fared better if it was cheaper? When you're paying AAA price for a game, you can reasonably expect AAA performance which it seems that Crackdown 3 is not.

 

[DForce]

The problem here is, you equate metacritic score to "get better". According to whom? There are several real ways measuring of performance of a game, like sales or engagement, metacritic count reviews from people who aren't gamers isn't one of them.

It's simple.

Companies don't send review products to journalist, YouTubers etc. just because they want to give them free stuff.. They're looking to advertise their product.

Good reviews generate good press
Bad\Mediocre reviews generate negative press.

This isn't a guarantee that a product WILL do better or worse, but it's always great to have positive reactions to your product that you're trying to sell.

When people say, "reviews don't matter" then what you're basically saying is that these review scores do not have an impact on how the general consumer feels regarding a video game review. Sony knew God of War was going to receive good scores, so they decided to have the embargo lifted weeks prior the game actually being released to generate more positive news. Things like this what helps attract people to your platform. People who try to damage control everything and say "only my opinion matters" is just bad.

If a game is getting mixed reviews, then it's clear there are somethings to improve on.

 

[gunslikewhoa]

My goal is to expose your arguments for others who might read this. I don't care about the mainstream media, so much so I don't even visit the metacritic website. They aren't gamers nor particularly knowledgeable about the medium.

I'm sure you're winning hearts and minds with your positive attitude. I know you've almost convinced me to spend $60 on this totally meh looking game!