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Twitch temporarily bans white streamer after Apex Legends cosplay

LegendOfKage

Gold Member
Your assumed right of expression, which is commonly misunderstood to be the first amendment (hint: it's not), is gone the second that expression impacts negatively to someone else.

I agreed with most of your post. White people shouldn't change their skin color when dressing up as a character, and neither should black people or any other race. That's not a double standard, if it applies to everyone. Same as "don't use racial slurs that aren't directed towards your own race." There's a big difference there.

Do I think she was being hateful? No. Do I blame her and think she's a bad person? No. Do I blame Twitch for shutting this down? No, because I think "they changed their skin color" is the most objective aspect of this. It's easy to have a rule against that.

I'm pushing 40 here, and at no time in my life has changing your skin color for a costume ever been widely acceptable. At least not if it doesn't involve a blue alien or something. This isn't a recent change. People have issues with this sort of thing.

Having said all that, what are you talking about with this part of your post that I quoted? Who decides when expression impacts someone negatively and when someone is being overly sensitive? Certainly not the government, so of course that's part of the first amendment.
 
I am white, and have never experienced that type of discrimination nor can I really appreciate going through it.
You probably have, actually. The fact that you don't remember it or notice it is a testament to your dignity that you don't dwell on such things. It might've been more obvious to me, growing up in the South where the racial population can often be predominantly black. I've absolutely been the only white person in the room and faced discrimination because of it. That's okay. Never let it get to me. They don't hate me, they just hate my doggy style.

The best thing I can do is avoid overtly doing something (such as blackface) that has a longstanding history of being offensive to a group of people.
The best thing you can do is avoid criticizing people you don't know for doing things you wouldn't do on behalf of people who aren't you. When people say that diversity is our strength, they are literally talking about the conflict between differences. Diversity is meaningless if people agree, so let that conflict play out once in a while.

It doesn't matter what the current climate is like, something like blackface is a reference (whether you agree or not) to a time when black people were being lynched and blackface was done to mock and harass them.
A time none of us experienced personally, and of which, we have a very one sided viewpoint that has been warped by generations of activists. We've "flanderized" the past and created a cartoon version of it without context or perspective, cherry picking individual bits and applying them as generalizations. If you actually read things that were written during this time period, like P.G. Wodehouse, you'll walk away with a very different impression than you get from the way that time period is described by activists today.

Your assumed right of expression, which is commonly misunderstood to be the first amendment (hint: it's not), is gone the second that expression impacts negatively to someone else.
Not only is this wrong, it's stupid.

This is not a "snowflake" issue and while the streamer may have not actually meant anything negative, people need to understand that in today's climate of culture you can't do shit like this.
Then let's change today's climate of culture into something more reasonable.
 

GreenAlien

Member
I'm pushing 40 here, and at no time in my life has changing your skin color for a costume ever been widely acceptable. At least not if it doesn't involve a blue alien or something. This isn't a recent change. People have issues with this sort of thing.
Maybe in the US, I don't think it's an "issue" anywhere else.

]It's LITERALLY the definition of blackface. You can't do blackface without black makeup.
But you can do black makeup without blackface. It's pretty easy too, just don't use it to make fun of or humiliate people.
 
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It doesn’t work in any way.

You haven't answered the question.

That and you just denied your own point. If it doesn't work in any way then it's a non issue, one that had no point in being mentioned from the very beginning. The people who would frett about such a thing would be showing a poor view of themselves and the whole situation would be more telling of the people who are unecessarely worrying about it.
 
Do I think she was being hateful? No. Do I blame her and think she's a bad person? No.
Shouldn't this be the end of the discussion?

I'm pushing 40 here, and at no time in my life has changing your skin color for a costume ever been widely acceptable.
Oh, so you remember the outrage when Fischer Stevens played an Indian man in Short Circuit? Or when a couple of the Wayans brothers played White Chicks? Or Jimmy Kimmel as Karl Malone? Dave Chapelle as a bunch of white people? Fallon as Chris Rock on SNL? John Wayne as Genghis Khan? Half the characters in Cloud Atlas? Jake Gyllenhall as the Prince of Persia? Johnny Depp as Tonto in The Lone Ranger? Robert Downey Jr in Tropic Thunder? Charlton Heston in Touch of Evil?

Please. It only matters when it is some white chick on social media that you and your dogma bros can get together and bully without consequences. If you can't push them around, suddenly it stops being so bad.
 
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Terce

Member
I think the difference here is that you see this as blackface and I don't. I also don't think anyone is impacted negatively by this like you said. Maybe it's a difference in culture or I come from a place of ignorance but if I saw that photo without context I wouldn't have even thought of any racist undertones.

But that's the great thing about actions, they're actually objective because a person either does something or doesn't. Our society has defined blackface as coloring your skin to appear black when you're not (regardless of your actual race) and this has further been clarified to be a negative thing based on it's history of use (see lynching and racial abuse).

I personally also see nothing wrong with this streamer doing this cosplay and coloring her skin, but the society we now live in does and as a member I am conscientious enough to look at this and say; "This is going to be seen negatively be people, I would not do this personally and would recommend that my colleagues don't either".

Try not taking a personal stance on this and look at it from the perspective of the general populace.

Having said all that, what are you talking about with this part of your post that I quoted? Who decides when expression impacts someone negatively and when someone is being overly sensitive? Certainly not the government, so of course that's part of the first amendment.

No one person decides any of this. People have discussions like we're having, a general ideal starts to form and as it moves into the general public forum people either agree or disagree. Eventually 1 ideal becomes the "generally"accepted norm and this is what most people tend to base their ethical decisions on. Blackface has already been identified as negative, this is objective whether you or I agree with it or not, and as such it's currently unacceptable to perform under any circumstance regardless of the intent. I've already mentioned this is something that I disagree with.

The point you quoted was poorly worded but I was essentially trying to say that people will often defend these culturally unacceptable practices with their own freedom of speech even though it does not apply to this situation. In addition, freedom of speech / expression should only be a right as long as it doesn't negatively impact others. Having your feelings hurt doesn't / shouldn't count for this, however bringing up recent memories of ancestors / family members being harassed, abused, and even killed (lynched) definitely should.

Then let's change today's climate of culture into something more reasonable.

I agree with you completely on this, however the questions becomes how. The public is out there and ready to hear any of our ideas and will judge them accordingly.

Not only is this wrong, it's stupid.

If you truly believe this then good luck with navigating modern day society. This type of attitude is why antivaxers exist.
 

ethomaz

Banned
Good. You aren’t black so don’t do black characters cosplay. It’s as fucking simple as that! I still remember Greizmann’s bad cosplay of the NBA
What that even means?

You can cosplay anything... who said to cosplay black is wrong? C'mon... you can cosplay any race after all it is only cosplay.
 
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ethomaz

Banned
Go on do whatever cosplay you want just leave your skin colour alone. There’re white people that made black characters cosplay without paining their skin and black people that made anime characters cosplays without painting their skin too. What’s so hard in doing that exactly?

Hey, I’d celebrate Lifeline but not that toxic Wraith
If you are cosplaying a black skin you should use makeup to simulate your skin black.

What is wrong with you? That way of thinking is preconception.

It doesn’t offend me in any way. I’m just fucking bored of all this drama since everything is offensive today somehow
So why you continue to perpetuate the drama?
 
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klosos

Member
Come on now , she could of got dressed up as her favorite Character without painting her face black and could of still looked good. do i think the lady meant any think malicious ? na doubt it.

am sure i saw a black female cosplayer dressing up as a FF7 character ( forgot her name the Character you find in a forest with the Krull blade ) and she looked great and she never whitened her skin , also she was sexy asf
 
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I personally also see nothing wrong with this streamer doing this cosplay and coloring her skin, but...
No but. Just stop there. End of the discussion. See? Wasn't that easy?

I agree with you completely on this, however the questions becomes how. The public is out there and ready to hear any of our ideas and will judge them accordingly.
Well, I'd like to see people stop getting preemptively offended on behalf of people who aren't offended.

If you truly believe this then good luck with navigating modern day society. This type of attitude is why antivaxers exist.
Your right of free expression (nothing presumed about it) is literally protected by the first amendment, and it has been repeatedly ruled to exist while offending others. One might even argue that it's the only time it really needs protection, and thus the first amendment is essentially a defense of offense.
 

xGreir

Member
This just comes to my mind when I read it:

"So you like Avatar, don't you..? And want to do some cosplay you say..? Oh my, this is gonna be so much fun *SJW skretching*"
 

Terce

Member
Your right of free expression (nothing presumed about it) is literally protected by the first amendment, and it has been repeatedly ruled to exist while offending others. One might even argue that it's the only time it really needs protection, and thus the first amendment is essentially a defense of offense.

It's protected in government locations and you're only protected from persecution from the government. I'm not even American and I know that. 1st amendment has no power in anything other than a government forums

No but. Just stop there. End of the discussion. See? Wasn't that easy?

Stop being actively ignorant, whether you agree with it or not society has deemed this to be wrong. Are you one of those tinfoil hat people living off the grid because "society doesn't understand". You must pay some level of credence to generally accepted norms or you become an outcast. Stop dismissing everything you don't agree with.
 
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Shodan09

Unconfirmed Member
Dress up as whoever you like but don't change your skin colour. I can see the difference between changing skin colour for costume accuracy rather than malice or to mock but it's really not worth the risk these days.
 

ethomaz

Banned
Come on now , she could of got dressed up as her favorite Character without painting her face black and could of still looked good. do i think the lady meant any think malicious ? na doubt it.

am sure i saw a black female cosplayer dressing up as a FF7 character ( forgot her name the Character you find in a forest with the Krull blade ) and she looked great and she never whitened her skin , also she was sexy asf
Crossplay meas you need to try to be most close possible to the character you choose.

Cossplay a black characters without painting your face black is still crossplay... a bad crossplay but still cosplay but if you work a bit more to really reach the perfection of crossplay you will need to paint your face black... even use colored eyes lens.

There is nothing wrong with that.

What is wrong is if the crossplay person use the crossplay make fun of others (or bully them) that all says more about the person is doing the crossplay than the crossplay itself.

I personally also see nothing wrong with this streamer doing this cosplay and coloring her skin, but
There is no but... you are right in that few works after that there is nothing else to say.

Dress up as whoever you like but don't change your skin colour. I can see the difference between changing skin colour for costume accuracy rather than malice or to mock but it's really not worth the risk these days.
So do you prefer to be oppressed than fighting against the oppression lol

That is exactly why preconception still exists in modern days.

While people don't stop to think like that it won't ends.
 
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It's protected in government locations and you're only protected from persecution from the government. I'm not even American and I know that. 1st amendment has no power in anything other than a government forums
That's another discussion for another time, but if you want to drop by the Politics subforum and try to explain to me how you see the freedom of expression, I'd be more than happy to help you through your delusions.

Stop being actively ignorant, whether you agree with it or not society has deemed this to be wrong.
Society doesn't give a shit about some streamer. This was Twitch and a small, insignificant group of dogmatic and perpetually offended douchebags declaring themselves to be the sole arbiters of taste and morality. These people are dangerous, they are psychotic, and worst of all, they are idiots. Society doesn't care. Dangerous, psychotic idiots care.

Are you one of those tinfoil hat people living off the grid because "society doesn't understand".
Since I'm typing on a computer sending my words through the internet onto a public message board, I'm going to say... maybe?

You must pay some level of credence to generally accepted norms or you become an outcast.
You never understood me, Dad!

Stop dismissing everything you don't agree with.
I only dismiss the retarded stuff.
 

DonF

Member
you guys realize that she is Lithuanian, right? Don't act like you know Lithuanian culture and are being offended with you north american way of seeing the world.
 

#Phonepunk#

Banned
I don’t know how on Earth you live til now without realizing putting black all over your white face isn’t a no no

At this point I feel it’s less about it being offensive than the people who do it clearly being oblivious. If you are so entitled that nobody has ever told you that’s a bad thing, yeah, you deserve whatever clowning you get.

Lithuania culture doesn’t matter, twitch is US/ Amazon owned, you know how giant corporations will throw anyone overboard to avoid not seeming woke
 
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Terce

Member
That's another discussion for another time, but if you want to drop by the Politics subforum and try to explain to me how you see the freedom of expression, I'd be more than happy to help you through your delusions.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. " (https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1.html)

It's been discussed. I can see that you're not willing to actually have a discussion and just throw around retarded rhetoric. Best of luck champ

There is no but... you are right in that few works after that there is nothing else to say.
Good thing I represent and speak for all of society right? God I wish I lived your life where anything I say is actually law.
 
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Da-Kid

Member
you guys realize that she is Lithuanian, right? Don't act like you know Lithuanian culture and are being offended with you north american way of seeing the world.
Discrimination against black people is world wide. It's not just a North America thing.
 

nikolino840

Member
Who Remember this twit by naughty dog?
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Shodan09

Unconfirmed Member
Crossplay meas you need to try to be most close possible to the character you choose.

Cossplay a black characters without painting your face black is still crossplay... a bad crossplay but still cosplay but if you work a bit more to really reach the perfection of crossplay you will need to paint your face black... even use colored eyes lens.

There is nothing wrong with that.

What is wrong is if the crossplay person use the crossplay make fun of others (or bully them) that all says more about the person is doing the crossplay than the crossplay itself.


There is no but... you are right in that few works after that there is nothing else to say.


So do you prefer to be oppressed than fighting against the oppression lol

That is exactly why preconception still exists in modern days.

While people don't stop to think like that it won't ends.

I don't really feel oppressed by not being able to put brown face paint on. I don't agree with the mob justice and that people have lost livelihoods over dressing up, but you're shooting yourself in the foot of you do it.
 

DonF

Member
Discrimination against black people is world wide. It's not just a North America thing.
Black face is a north american thing, the USA didnt want to hire black actors so white actor had to portray black persons. Or they just mocked black persons by exaggerating white faces. Black face is a cultural thing, a very USA thing.
 

ResurrectedContrarian

Suffers with mild autism
It is almost 100% certain that not a single black person would have been bothered by it; but that's the whole trick of the "it is our duty to be offended on behalf of other people" White phenomenon.

Let me quote the classic:

whitepeoplelike said:
To be offended is usually a rather unpleasant experience, one that can expose a person to intolerance, cultural misunderstandings, and even evoke the scars of the past. This is such an unpleasant experience that many people develop a thick skin and try to only be offended in the most egregious and awful situations. In many circumstances, they can allow smaller offenses to slip by as fighting them is a waste of time and energy. But white people, blessed with both time and energy, are not these kind of people. In fact there are few things white people love more than being offended.

Naturally, white people do not get offended by statements directed at white people. In fact, they don’t even have a problem making offensive statements about other white people (ask a white person about “flyover states”). As a rule, white people strongly prefer to get offended on behalf of other people.

It is also valuable to know that white people spend a significant portion of their time preparing for the moment when they will be offended. They read magazines, books, and watch documentaries all in hopes that one day they will encounter a person who will say something offensive. When this happens, they can leap into action with quotes, statistics, and historical examples. Once they have finished lecturing another white person about how it’s wrong to use the term “black” instead of “African-American,” they can sit back and relax in the knowledge that they have made a difference.

White people also get excited at the opportunity to be offended at things that are sexist and/or homophobic. Both cases offering ample opportunities for lectures, complaints, graduate classes, lengthy discussions and workshops. All of which do an excellent job of raising awareness among white people who hope to change their status from “not racist” to “super not racist.”

Another thing worth noting is that the threshold for being offended is a very important tool for judging and ranking white people. Missing an opportunity to be outraged is like missing a reference to Derrida-it’s social death.

If you ever need to make a white person feel indebted to you, wait for them to mention a book, film, or television show that features a character who is the same race as you, then say “the representation of <insert race> was offensive and if you can’t see that, well, you need to do some soul searching.” After they return from their hastily booked trip to land of your ancestors, they will be desperate to make it up to you. At this point, it is acceptable to ask them to help you paint your house.

 

klosos

Member
Crossplay meas you need to try to be most close possible to the character you choose.

Cossplay a black characters without painting your face black is still crossplay... a bad crossplay but still cosplay but if you work a bit more to really reach the perfection of crossplay you will need to paint your face black... even use colored eyes lens.

There is nothing wrong with that.

What is wrong is if the crossplay person use the crossplay make fun of others (or bully them) that all says more about the person is doing the crossplay than the crossplay itself.

I get that , i get people like celebrating their favorite characters , Cool . and am sure Cosplayers but a lot of effort into there costumes(alot more then this lady anyway , sorry the costume looks shabby) but come on the amount of Characters she could of chosen and she chooses a character that she needs to paint her face and arms black , Really.

As i said do i think she meant any harm , nope no malicious intent just youthful stupidity.

ok my favourtie footballer is John Barnes ( the G.O.A.T ), but if i was invited to a fancy dress party i wouldn't go as a black footballer and if i did go as john Barnes i wouldn't black my self up.
 

Helios

Member
At this point I feel it’s less about it being offensive than the people who do it clearly being oblivious. If you are so entitled that nobody has ever told you that’s a bad thing, yeah, you deserve whatever clowning you get.
Apparently you're the one oblivious to the fact that black face isn't a thing in the majority of the world. Are you seriously saying that not knowing about blackface means you're entitled?
 

ethomaz

Banned
I get that , i get people like celebrating their favorite characters , Cool . and am sure Cosplayers but a lot of effort into there costumes(alot more then this lady anyway , sorry the costume looks shabby) but come on the amount of Characters she could of chosen and she chooses a character that she needs to paint her face and arms black , Really.

As i said do i think she meant any harm , nope no malicious intent just youthful stupidity.

ok my favourtie footballer is John Barnes ( the G.O.A.T ), but if i was invited to a fancy dress party i wouldn't go as a black footballer and if i did go as john Barnes i wouldn't black my self up.
Why she couldn't like or choose a black character to crossplay?

Let me ask.. are white people not allowed to like, love, marry, have children with black people?

What is that stupid way of thinking that makes white different from black? Everybody is equal... genre, race, color, health didn't change that.
 
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Komatsu

Member
I find it mildly amusing how people who are normally fine tuned to see and push back against any sort of “imperialism” jump on the colonial bandwagon and think it’s perfectly acceptable to impose American cultural taboos on the rest of the world.

Blackface was and is a racist, derogatory performance that originated in the American South and gained a foothold in the overall culture during Reconstruction, when racial bitterness started driving southern politics.

To paint one’s face black has no particular meaning whatsoever in Lithuania, where this girl is from, or, say, in Japan, where jazz musicians would play with their faces painted black all the way into the 80s out of respect and a desire of emulating the Jazz legends.

Just because we have a shameful history with chattel slavery and racial segregation doesn’t mean we get to impose our own modus vivendi on societies that not only did not perpetrate those crimes, but have a different relationship with the African Diaspora.
 
The line is moving all the time - will it be unacceptable soon for a lady to have a fake tan or wear make up that is a darker shade than their natural skin colour?

The other problem of course is that the US has taken decades to overcome racial issues - other countries have to be dragged forward more quickly given the reach of the internet so surely some allowances should be made?

I have seen "blackface" by the way, which is racist and despicable - this just seems some way from it.
 
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mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
It's part of it but not the actual definition, no? Blackface is meant to accentuate facial features in a racist manner. Paint is part of caricature but it's not what gives it's meaning.

She probably has learned her lesson and she'll be okay after the 30 day ban is finished.
 

Reallink

Member
Clearly there is a big difference between the historical coal black shoe polish and ridiculously accentuated lips (very negative intent) and someone attempting to cosplay an admired character in good faith with a bunch of tanning foundation (very positive intent). The leaps in reason and logic required to conflate the two is impossible for me to wrap my head around.
 

Skyr

Member
Discrimination against black people is world wide. It's not just a North America thing.

That is exactly the issue that US folks just don't get into their head.

From what I understand in the US blackface has been used as a tool of discrimination of it's own black population in the past. That is not the case in most european countrys which have not experienced theses circumstances. Therefor they have NO CONCEPT of blackface and the negative emotions that US folks connect with it.
They connect it with a positive image like the celebration of epiphany.

And I'm not saying it's the correct way to act. I'm just telling you how it is still to this day for the vast majority of the population and expecially the older generation.

Seriously I get that it's kinda hard to grasp for you guys but don't always assume your point of view is adopted by the rest of the world.
 
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. " (https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment1.html)

It's been discussed. I can see that you're not willing to actually have a discussion and just throw around retarded rhetoric. Best of luck champ
I guess we are doing this then. Let's go back and check out what you originally said.

Your assumed right of expression, which is commonly misunderstood to be the first amendment (hint: it's not), is gone the second that expression impacts negatively to someone else.
Okay, let's start from the top. The first amendment does not give you the right of expression - that is considered to be an inborn right of all humans, the first amendment merely protects it from the government. As such, this right has been repeatedly tried and found to exist, even in privately owned places which also serve in the public interest (specifically Marsh v Alabama). So, on the first part, yeah, the right of expression is protected primarily by the first amendment

On the second part, this right is never lost. In US law, there is no such thing as hate speech, and offense has never been a justified reason for taking away this right. There are a few limitations on free speech, namely "fighting words" (which provoke an immediate response), "incitement" (which influences an immediate and predictable response), and "libel" (which is spreading known untruths to harm the reputations and business of others). These limitations must necessarily be considered in the most limited way possible, such that if there is any doubt, the free of speech of protected by default. There's been numerous Supreme Court cases which have shown that offense is protected by this right, such as National Social Party of America v Village of Skokie, in which the Supreme Court overruled the Illinois Supreme Court which tried to prevent the Nazi group from marching through Skokie. After being kicked back down to the Illinois Supreme Court, they ruled that the swastika represented the kind of free speech that the first amendment protects, and does not constitute "fighting words".

So let's sum up. Your right of expression is considered an immutable fact by the Constitution, and is indeed protected by (but not bestowed by) the first amendment, and when that expression negatively impacts other people, tough titties, it is still protected.

But blackface has never really been a first amendment issue because people are never arrested for it. Instead, they are tried in the court of public opinion - harshly and without mercy - by a group of idiots who do little else.
 

Fbh

Member
I find the outrage over it silly.
Yet at the same time how in the world are you deep enough into internet culture to be a streamer and yet you don't anticipate you will be getting this sort of reaction?
 

klosos

Member
Why she couldn't like or choose a black character to crossplay?

Let me ask.. are white people not allowed to like, love, marry, have children with black people?

What is that stupid way of thinking that makes white different from black? Everybody is equal... genre, race, color, health didn't change that.

Bruv relax , your jumping of the deep end now. of course white people can like , marry have Children with anyone ? what kind of stupid reach is this. all i have said is Make your cosplay for what ever character you want but don't paint your self black.

If she put effort into her costume she could of looked great without painting her self black. Guess what if a Black Cosplayer dressed as Cloud Strife and Whitened himself up id laugh at him aswell and call him a fool too.
 

ethomaz

Banned
Bruv relax , your jumping of the deep end now. of course white people can like , marry have Children with anyone ? what kind of stupid reach is this. all i have said is Make your cosplay for what ever character you want but don't paint your self black.

If she put effort into her costume she could of looked great without painting her self black. Guess what if a Black Cosplayer dressed as Cloud Strife and Whitened himself up id laugh at him aswell and call him a fool too.
What the issue with painting your face? C'mon.

Crossplay is about perfection... not to look good to you.

A black skin person can indded Crossplay Cloud Strife just fine... paint the skin and use a wig or paint the hair.
 
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ethomaz

Banned
The issue is people used to do it while mocking black people they hung from trees or whipped to death

That's the issue, unless you see nothing wrong with that?
So the mocking/bullying is a issue... not the crossplay... fight against that.

I'm against if the person doing the crossplay is mocking, bullying or trying to be oppressive against any race, genre, etc... that is what you should be vocal.

Not somebody just doing crossplay right... blame the crossplay is like blaming the tool and not the person that do evil things with the tool.
 
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klosos

Member
What the issue with painting your face? C'mon.

Crossplay is about perfection... not to look good to you.

A black skin person can indded Crossplay Cloud Strife just fine... paint the skin and use a wig or pain the hair.

I tell you what , you black face , dress up as Mike Tyson and walk around your local High street for a couple of hours and see what the issue is mate.

Look as i said i think she was youthfully stupid not malicous not looking to offend anyone that's that. i aint got nothing else to say.
 

888

Member
If things aren't being done in a derogatory meaning, I don't see the issue with it. But I don't get offended by much of anything.
 

ethomaz

Banned
I tell you what , you black face , dress up as Mike Tyson and walk around your local High street for a couple of hours and see what the issue is mate.

Look as i said i think she was youthfully stupid not malicous not looking to offend anyone that's that. i aint got nothing else to say.
I'm brasilian... there is no issue dressing like black famous characters here.
It happens a lot in Carnaval with no "Blackface"gate.

That should make you think "why I think that is wrong?"... think a little about.
 
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