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[scalman]

Or they could drop some specs now too make it as leak as many times they do... Ohh look its leak..ups wonder who did it.. And everyone buys that jumps to hype train. And we lile numbers and even more we like numbers vs numbers..
But anyway its very good thing that ps4 games will work on ps5 and that psvr will work too and new psvr2. So those best things... In theory. In real i just wanna play new games not previous gen that i allready played

 

[CyberPanda]

Or they could drop some specs now too make it as leak as many times they do... Ohh look its leak..ups wonder who did it.. And everyone buys that jumps to hype train. And we lile numbers and even more we like numbers vs numbers..

I'm sure they'll be leaks before E3. Who knows.

 

[CrustyBritches]

Now that I think about it, it's funny this thread says "specs detailed", but none of the specs were detailed.

AMD is said to be unveiling Zen 2 and Navi at Computex in June. We'll probably get leaks for Navi leading up to that event. Once Zen 2 and Navi are out in the open, leaking doesn't get you any cred, so I'm guessing early May.

 

[Hypereides]

I skipped this gen, so hopefully PS5 will be backwards compatible with PS3. Although, with PSNow around I don't see that being likely.

 

[Imtjnotu]

reading comprehension: "compared to microsoft". Google it, you'd be surprised how much microsft dwarfs sony.

Not in hardware

 

[Dontero]

Microsoft just announced new hardware, so what.
Not sure what the rest of your ramble is to be honest, you're all over the map.

Lol, no I don't think Sony cares that MS announced their next gen when they JUST released the Xbox One X. If anything it shows that MS is scared of Sony's announcement so they did a pre-emptive strike. MS releasing their next box this holiday would be a disaster since the X is more powerful than the Pro already. Nobody wants to pay $500 every 2 years for a new console.

Lol, no I don't think Sony cares that MS announced their next gen when they JUST released the Xbox One X. If anything it shows that MS is scared of Sony's announcement so they did a pre-emptive strike. MS releasing their next box this holiday would be a disaster since the X is more powerful than the Pro already. Nobody wants to pay $500 every 2 years for a new console.

Is XboxOneX is next gen console ? No. So it doesn't matter.
By same argument you say that now Sony needs to wait few years more for PS5 because they released PS4pro ?

Of course not.

As opposed to Engadget, Verge, C|NET, TechCrunch? Which tech sites would you consider significantly more prestigious than Wired?

As opposed to full blown conference where they could gather 100s of journalists from all over the world, game devs etc. from all mentioned sites much like they did with PS4 which was announced before E3 in separate event. And yes Wired is third tier news site compared to something like CNN/Fox or any other big news who reach 100s of milions of people rather than few who eat avocado.

Doesn't it make sense to steal competitor's thunder, regardless of what they are going to announce?

Why would MS have problems beating what Sony plans to have (the main unknown is size of the Navi chip at this point), given that they have access to AMD's semi-custom and touted tight cooperation on the last conference?

1. That is precisely my point. But how they did it tells a lot about state of PS5. It is simply not ready otherwise they would make proper conference.
2. I don't claim they don't. My point is that whoever will relase their console first will have interest of people where it comes to hardware. If Sony will release one year after them, they won't be able to claim their console has better hardware or anything like that because both will run essentially same hardware. This is the same exact case where PS4 was announced before X1 and by the time X1 was announced barely anyone cared about its hardware.

You're right, Jim Ryan only got round the watching the MS conference nearly a year later and totally felt they had been "got with pants down". They had no idea before then otherwise they'd have surely gone to a " 3rd tier general news site" earlier.

Year ago it was not clear if 7nm would be ready. MS only said they are working on next gen console publicly but said nothing else.
The point here is that Sony targets 2020 while everything points out that MS wants to release their console 2019.

Almost a year difference. When PS3 came after uber successful PS2 everyone argued that year difference is not a lot.
But history was made and in that year MS sold enough consoles to build up momentum and get them through most of that gen life with PS3 trailing behind only to outpace them at end of console generation.

This is what i meant by that.

High quality fan-fiction there bud. More likely they saw an opportunity to steal attention away from the Xbox event today. It worked

"fan-fiction" says same thing i did.
I don't say they were not trying to steal MS thunder.
I merely stating that how they did it shows that they were not prepared for that.

MS already announced last E3.
Sony won’t do a full reveal until PSX.

Yeah it is clear that they want to announce PS5 at separate event.
The problem i am pointing out is that while they will be announcing it probably something like august etc just few months later you will be able to buy next gen console while theirs will still unavailable till 2020 holidays.

MS didn't announce properly anything. They just hinted they are working on next gen console.
But it is clear they want to announce it on this year E3 with release this holidays.

 

[Ar¢tos]

Why would Ms release a console this year? No way Navi or mobile zen2 would be ready for mass release so soon. It would be limited to vega and zen1, that would make a massive difference.

 

[Foxbat]

After pondering about this for awhile, some questions have been answered, but it has created a few more as well. What do you guys think?

This gen Sony got PSNOW going by largely using it as a way to play PS3 games. With the PS5 being bc with PS4, how will Sony progress PSNOW? Will it remain largely the same? Surely they'll want to add some new features to encourage people to jump aboard.

What kind of price range is this going to have? The higher spec they go, the more expensive it will be of course. Does a potential higher price increase the odds of MS undercutting them on price?

What will MS reveal for their next gen console at E3? I kinda figured MS would just reveal some broad information, and then wait and see what Sony would do, but Sony has pulled a fast one, and kind of jumped the gun here. Does that mean MS will reveal more than they had planned at E3 now? It still seems a bit early to me, as these consoles are likely still a year and a half away from launch.

When will we hear more, such as controller, price, specs, etc...? At an event later this year, or maybe E3 next year?

 

[Boss Mog]

I'm thinking the SSD might be some kind of new hybrid, a 1TB m.2 NVMe drive is $150-200 and so I don't see them necessarily going that route, plus 1TB isn't that much with PS4 games taking up 100GB now, and PS5 games will surely take even more with higher res textures and such.

 

[bitbydeath]

I'm thinking the SSD might be some kind of new hybrid, a 1TB m.2 NVMe drive is $150-200 and so I don't see them necessarily going that route, plus 1TB isn't that much with PS4 games taking up 100GB now, and PS5 games will surely take even more with higher res textures and such.

Hard to say. That is what it costs a consumer but not how much it’d cost Sony. They may even be able to pickup a 2TB for $100 for all we know. Blu-ray on PS3 cost consumers over $1000 at the time but for Sony was just a few hundred.

 

[farmerboy]

1.84 tf plus jaguar got us this.

Cant wait to see what Cerny has created for us.

 

[TLZ]

1.84 tf plus jaguar got us this.

Cant wait to see what Cerny has created for us.

Knack will ascend to become a Prime.

 

[SonGoku]

I'm thinking the SSD might be some kind of new hybrid, a 1TB m.2 NVMe drive is $150-200 and so I don't see them necessarily going that route, plus 1TB isn't that much with PS4 games taking up 100GB now, and PS5 games will surely take even more with higher res textures and such.

Maybe a hybrid solution consisting of a 250GB NVMe and a SATA 3 drive

 

[Geki-D]

When will we hear more, such as controller, price, specs, etc...? At an event later this year, or maybe E3 next year?

I assume at the next PSX, which is meant to happen in december or so a leak (which called Sony no longer attending E3) says. Seeing as the leak was right about E3 (not something anyone could have guessed), it'll be interesting to see if this article counts as the said "small PS5 reveal" or if that's still to come. I reckon we'll get another State of Play round E3 time with more info then, as leaked, then full shebang in December at PSX ready for the release in 2020.

 

[Airbus Jr]

I assume at the next PSX, which is meant to happen in december or so a leak (which called Sony no longer attending E3) says. Seeing as the leak was right about E3 (not something anyone could have guessed), it'll be interesting to see if this article counts as the said "small PS5 reveal" or if that's still to come. I reckon we'll get another State of Play round E3 time with more info then, as leaked, then full shebang in December at PSX ready for the release in 2020.

At this point just abort PSX and just announced everything at E3 2020 for bigger boom explosion

 

[ethomaz]

At this point just abort PSX and just announced everything at E3 2020 for bigger boom explosion

An exclusive reveal event is stronger than E3 reveal.

Seems like the exclusive event will happen still in Q2.

 

[Fake]

We filmed last night

We love you.

Why would Ms release a console this year? No way Navi or mobile zen2 would be ready for mass release so soon. It would be limited to vega and zen1, that would make a massive difference.

We still have nothing but leaks and rumors about next box. Can we sure about next box using Navi? Next box could use current AMD hardware. Who knows...

 

[demigod]

Is XboxOneX is next gen console ? No. So it doesn't matter.
By same argument you say that now Sony needs to wait few years more for PS5 because they released PS4pro ?

Of course not.

Math must be hard for you. Ps4 Pro will be 3 years this year compared to 2 years on the xbox one x so no, not the same.

 

[Geki-D]

At this point just abort PSX and just announced everything at E3 2020 for bigger boom explosion

Why? What's the difference between them? Besides Sony having total control over what and how they announce at PSX and knowing they'll have full media attention because there aren't 100 other companies announcing stuff at the same time. What possible advantage does doing E3 rather than their own event actually have?

 

[DanielsM]

Is XboxOneX is next gen console ? No. So it doesn't matter.
By same argument you say that now Sony needs to wait few years more for PS5 because they released PS4pro ?

Of course not.

"Next gen" doesn't really mean much going forward, just like PS Pro 4 and Xbox One X exist with higher specs... they are higher spec machines which will be able to play backwards out of the box. Not sure what the rest of your post is, its like you are having a discussion with yourself, I never implied or said anything you put at the end there.

Developers will continue to target PS4 as the primary target point for many years to come and it has zero bearing on what Microsoft does or doesn't do as far as new hardware.

 

[EDMIX]

"Next gen" doesn't really mean much going forward, just like PS Pro 4 and Xbox One X exist with higher specs... they are higher spec machines which will be able to play backwards out of the box. Not sure what the rest of your post is, its like you are having a discussion with yourself, I never implied or said anything you put at the end there.

Developers will continue to target PS4 as the primary target point for many years to come.

""Next gen" doesn't really mean much going forward " Huh? Oh come on buddy. Most of us here know what anyone means when they say "next gen". Next gen has NEVER mean't "next sku of the same family of systems" PS2 silm wasn't next gen, PS ONE (the slim one ) wasn't next gen, 3DS Plus wasn't its "next gen", PSP Go wasn't "next gen" X360 Elite wasn't "next gen" JUST LIKE PS Pro or XB X wasn't "next gen". It was simply a optional system with better specs, but when you look at the majority of skus, that is what MOST revisions are. It is better hardware mid gen, of the same console or handheld family that is not made to REPLACE and start a new cycle. It just so has it that Pro and X are just more powerful then what we've seen before, JUST like 3DS Plus was to 3DS...it was NOT a NEXT GEN as in new install base, new library and the start of the company putting all their games on that one platform.

So....

Stop.

Next gen means what it has still always meant, simply the PS5, XB Next etc. As in....NOT a optional upgrade to PS4 and XONE, actually a new install base with new software that is only made for said systems. I don't think anyone here is confused on what PS5 and XB Next is man....

Pretty sure they damn well know PS4 Pro and XONE X are not next gen or changing that term etc. Heck, while your at it, why did you not believe that with PS2 Slim? Why not say every edition of a sku is a "next gen"? by that logic, we've never had it as I don't know any major generation without revisions to tech as that happens even when you don't get a "slim" or "elite" etc.

Stop exaggerating it and making it more complex then it is bud.

 

[DanielsM]

Pretty sure they damn well know PS4 Pro and XONE X are not next gen or changing that term etc. Heck, while your at it, why did you not believe that with PS2 Slim? Why not say every edition of a sku is a "next gen"? by that logic, we've never had it as I don't know any major generation without revisions to tech as that happens even when you don't get a "slim" or "elite" etc.

Stop exaggerating it and making it more complex then it is bud.

Sony and Microsoft could have easily labeled those PS5 and Xbox Next, "next gen" has no real definition. Games will be playable forward and backwards, "next gen" is a made up term with no real meaning. New hardware comes out all the time... so what. What is "next gen" whatever someone wants to say it is. As far as going forward hardware has less meaning because of Moore's Law and additional ability to play forward and backward games.

Sooo... stop it... stop making up your own shit, bud.

(I have to put you on ignore for blowing up the discussion.... way too much drama, bud)

 

[MadAnon]

I skipped this gen, so hopefully PS5 will be backwards compatible with PS3. Although, with PSNow around I don't see that being likely.

Backward compatibility with Ps3 could only be achieved with an emulator. Don't see Sony bothering with it.

 

[EDMIX]

Is XboxOneX is next gen console ? No. So it doesn't matter.
By same argument you say that now Sony needs to wait few years more for PS5 because they released PS4pro ?

Of course not.



As opposed to full blown conference where they could gather 100s of journalists from all over the world, game devs etc. from all mentioned sites much like they did with PS4 which was announced before E3 in separate event. And yes Wired is third tier news site compared to something like CNN/Fox or any other big news who reach 100s of milions of people rather than few who eat avocado.



1. That is precisely my point. But how they did it tells a lot about state of PS5. It is simply not ready otherwise they would make proper conference.
2. I don't claim they don't. My point is that whoever will relase their console first will have interest of people where it comes to hardware. If Sony will release one year after them, they won't be able to claim their console has better hardware or anything like that because both will run essentially same hardware. This is the same exact case where PS4 was announced before X1 and by the time X1 was announced barely anyone cared about its hardware.



Year ago it was not clear if 7nm would be ready. MS only said they are working on next gen console publicly but said nothing else.
The point here is that Sony targets 2020 while everything points out that MS wants to release their console 2019.

Almost a year difference. When PS3 came after uber successful PS2 everyone argued that year difference is not a lot.
But history was made and in that year MS sold enough consoles to build up momentum and get them through most of that gen life with PS3 trailing behind only to outpace them at end of console generation.

This is what i meant by that.



"fan-fiction" says same thing i did.
I don't say they were not trying to steal MS thunder.
I merely stating that how they did it shows that they were not prepared for that.



Yeah it is clear that they want to announce PS5 at separate event.
The problem i am pointing out is that while they will be announcing it probably something like august etc just few months later you will be able to buy next gen console while theirs will still unavailable till 2020 holidays.

MS didn't announce properly anything. They just hinted they are working on next gen console.
But it is clear they want to announce it on this year E3 with release this holidays.

"But it is clear they want to announce it on this year E3 with release this holidays" Yea I don't know about that bud. Most of the rumors I've read state 2020 actually for both MS and Sony.

I don't see MS showing that off at E3 as I don't think the want some weird long marketing window. They might just have the same time frame as Sony.

" It is simply not ready otherwise they would make proper conference. " ??? Who said they were not going to later on ? lol Sooooo them already talking about their next system, doesn't mean its not ready JUST cause you didn't get some big event like last time. I think they just want a longer marketing window and want to show stuff on their time. Over the years we got teasers, then reveal, then price and games and release date, demos at events etc They might just be taking different steps to control how they slowly reveal parts of the system. That gives little indication if its done or not tbh.

I mean...consider this, how on earth could MS be hinting at a fall release of something that they haven't even given any reveal on Specs on like Sony has just done? LOL


Soooooo you can't have it both ways man. By the logic you are using, MS THEMSELVES are behind Sony and would release later as they must be BEHIND because they didn't say anything to WIRED or any site about their current specs. Crazy how that works right?

 

[Geki-D]

Sony and Microsoft could have easily labeled those PS5 and Xbox Next, "next gen" has no real definition.

They'd have been some pretty weak-ass gen leap if they did. Gamers wouldn't be happy and they know it. The notion that a mid gen upgrade now renders the idea of "next gen" moot is laughable. Why you can't grasp that a mid gen leap with a minimal upgrade is just that and a new system with a major hardware upgrade and it's own set of games the old system can't play is "next gen" is beyond me.

I have to put you on ignore because you obviously don't want to listen to the countless people that keep pointing things out to you.

 

[EDMIX]

Sony and Microsoft could have easily labeled those PS5 and Xbox Next, "next gen" has no real definition. Games will be playable forward and backwards, "next gen" is a made term with no real meaning.

Sooo... stop it... stop making up your own shit, bud.

Sony and MS could have done that with Elite or anything else too.... because they "could have easily labeld those" DOESN"T MEAN THAT IS WHAT THE COMPANY WANTS! You are simply arguing that it could be named that.....

Well buddy.....MS could name their new surface Pro XB Next or XBTWO etc, doesn't actually make sense and doesn't fit what the majority understand next gen to actually be.

So...could PS4 Pro or XBX been named PS5 or XBTWO etc? Sure....but if they are just playing THE SAME GAMES, it doesn't support what the majority understand NEXT GEN to actually be. It would be that not based on the NAME, but the fact that Sony and MS would make those game ONLY on those platforms going forward and developers would follow suit.

So next gen isn't something based on naming bud.

Next gen is based on the install base shifting, development being exclusive on that hardware going forward etc. So I don't think anyone is seriously, REALLY confused on that. The majority of us understand what someone means when they say next gen. I've NEVER believed that means XBX or PS4 Pro etc, I didn't with Elite or PS3 Slim or 3DS Plus etc. So...... no, next gen is not the naming of, its actually the process of them shifting development exclusively on the next platform. "Games will be playable forward and backward" Thats nice.....

Next gen is the shifting of the install base to new platforms and developers EXCLUSIVELY making that content only playable on newer platforms. MS can go streaming on the next XB all day, but ON THE PLATFORM NATIVELY you won't likely be playing a next gen XB game JUST like on the PS4 NATIVELY you won't be playing a PS5 game. Massively unlikely my friend.

The term stands as is...

 

[MilkyJoe]

Apart from the 8K (which is clearly bollocks) there's nothing really there that was not already obvious.

 

[DanielsM]

They'd have been some pretty weak-ass gen leap if they did. Gamers wouldn't be happy and they know it. The notion that a mid gen upgrade now renders the idea of "gen next" moot is laughable. Why you can't grasp that a mid gen leap with a minimal upgrade is just that and a new system with a major hardware upgrade and it's own set of games the old system can't play is "next gen" is beyond me.

Because you using a made up word, "next gen" is just a made up word. The guy I was responding to was making it seems like developers give a shit as what something is called, they really don't. Its just a word. Developers aren't going to magically dump PS because MS release new hardware whether its called Xbox One X or Xbox 2... developers can already target the Xbox One X, whether Microsoft comes out with even more new hardware is irrelevant, generally speaking.

You're delusional if you think like that guy Dontero . What he is talking about makes zero sense. Its another form of the silly, "Sony is Doomed".

(I had to put you on ignore because you put the drama pic in, have a nice life in my ignore bucket)

 

[Shin]

It doesn't matter what it is or isn't, but how it will be:

 

[EDMIX]

They'd have been some pretty weak-ass gen leap if they did. Gamers wouldn't be happy and they know it. The notion that a mid gen upgrade now renders the idea of "gen next" moot is laughable. Why you can't grasp that a mid gen leap with a minimal upgrade is just that and a new system with a major hardware upgrade and it's own set of games the old system can't play is "next gen" is beyond me.

OMG THANK YOU! I know I 'm not the only one that understand what the term means. Nothing to do with lableing. By that logic XB never got a next gen release, I mean the next system wasn't call XB2, it was called XB360. Its just such a moot and strange point its almost funny. The industry KNOWS what next gen means, doesn't mean more powerful system as no one was calling 3DS Plus its OWN generation or anything dumb like that, its understood that power is PART of it, the term doesn't EXCLUSIVELY mean that.

Its simply the shift of the install base, the development exclusively going on said platform etc. Can the next XB stream its new games to XONE? Probably, but PS3 could stream those PS4 games on PS Now..... doesn't mean that the term is gone or isn't relevant etc. A new set of games is still a new set of games and new hardware is being put as the standard of development and not simply an optional for support.

So sure, XB and PS will still likely have some streaming stuff for the older PS, doesn't change that developer moving that core development to new hardware, install base shifting etc

 

[EDMIX]

Because you using a made up word, "next gen" is just a made up word. The guy I was responding to was making it seems like developers give a shit as what something is called, they really don't. Its just a word. Developers aren't going to magically dump PS because MS release new hardware whether its called Xbox One X or Xbox 2... developers can already target the Xbox One X, whether Microsoft comes out with even more new hardware is irrelevant, generally speaking.

You're delusional if you think like that guy Dontero is saying.

(I had to put you on ignore because you put the drama pic in, have a nice life in my ignore bucket)

""next gen" is just a made up word." Nope. Someone made it up yes, but its meaning by the majority give it weight as a real word.

Ask the majority of this site what next gen means, I doubt they'd be telling you PS4 Pro or XB One X or Switch mini or pro etc. Trust me, the term has a meaning in this industry and its understood by the majority.

 

[Hendrick's]

Can't wait for 8K and ray tracing in my NEXT GEN games, all running at a cool 22-28 FPS.

 

[Geki-D]

Because you using a made up word, "next gen" is just a made up word.

A term that's been a part of gamer's vocabulary for nearly 25 years now is "a made up word" (It's not a word, btw)...

(I had to put you on ignore because you put the drama pic in, have a nice life in my ignore bucket)

Looks like I hurt someone's fee-fees

 

[MadAnon]

I think we will see massive improvements in ray tracing next gen (duh). But mostly I think what we will see is the cost go down while the quality goes up... massively. Right now we need cutting edge RTX cores but I think that may change due to nothing more than optimization and innovation. Just look at how far we've come in a short time. We went from ray tracing ON destroying performance all the way down to a mere 1080p 30fps but now 1440p and 60fps is possible. We went from ray tracing being for RTX only to being done on a Vega 56 by Crytek. Wish they would release that demo so the rest of us could try it out.

I'm sure that the BEST ray tracing will definitely be done on future Nvidia RTX cards, I'm just saying I think we'll be surprised at how far ray tracing will be able to go running on "limited" next gen consoles.

Ray tracing still destroys even the best hardware. Nvidia recently updated drivers to allow raytracing on older cards and not just RTX. 1080ti gets destroyed and that isn't even full blown ray tracing in Metro or Tomb Rider. They only use ray tracing for certain aspects.

 

[DanielsM]

Can't wait for 8K and ray tracing in my NEXT GEN games, all running at a cool 22-28 FPS.

I'm assuming most gamers wouldn't even look at 8k unless they are playing on 100+ inch projector screens. I usually play on a 120 inch front projector, but I'm probably done at 4k, at least in the next 15+ years.

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

I'm thinking the SSD might be some kind of new hybrid, a 1TB m.2 NVMe drive is $150-200 and so I don't see them necessarily going that route, plus 1TB isn't that much with PS4 games taking up 100GB now, and PS5 games will surely take even more with higher res textures and such.

You can't base the cost off of retail pricing for the NVMe drive, Sony gets pricing on components waaaay cheaper than what a regular consumer does. Heck, you can get a 1TB NVMe drive on Newegg for $109.99 right now:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167462

So if Sony were buying these in bulk at a distributor's cost they would be getting a really sweet deal on them...

 

[Hendrick's]

I'm assuming most gamers wouldn't even look at 8k unless they are playing on 100+ inch projector screens.

I know. I just find it silly that Sony and MS are touting ray tracing and 8K, when 4K 60 really hasn't become a reality yet.

 

[VulcanRaven]

I'm glad that it will be backwards compatible. I was worried that it wouldn't be because I'm sure companies would like to make remasters.

 

[Thedtrain]

The specs looks great and I love the BC confirmation, but how in hell will Sony be able to sell this at an affordable price?

Makes me wonder if that PlayStation Plus Premium rumor is real. Could help them recoup the loss they’d take on hardware.

Of course we’d need to see the details of what that’d entail.

 

[EDMIX]

Apart from the 8K (which is clearly bollocks) there's nothing really there that was not already obvious.

I think they likely mean upscaled or something if anything they might mean PS4 games. PS3 games a lot of them were 720p, when put on PS4 many of them where 1080p on remasters even (as in they added stuff and still hit higher) on Pro many of them native 4k like with The Last Of Us remaster.

So....its not really that crazy to think they'd have 8k on PS5 on some if not all PS4 games. That would be like being shocked that PS3 games are running 4k on PS4.... I mean...you are talking about a older game running better on better hardware ,vs a more demanding game maxing it out , say Red Dead 2 on PS4 Pro or X or something. So if X and Pro can run a PS4 game at 4k, normal PS5 and XB Next isn't that crazy to think would run 8k. You are actually looking at the same situations, just different generations.

Also factor that we don't even know the specs of the actual game to know if it can or can't. Consider this.....someone could make some low poly, ugly looking game that is not demanding run 8K on PS5 lol So i don't doubt it supporting 8K, how demanding the title is I'd argue is the real question.

 

[EDMIX]

I'm glad that it will be backwards compatible. I was worried that it wouldn't be because I'm sure companies would like to make remasters.

Well who is saying you'd stop seeing that? Those publishers don't care.... BC doesn't stop a remaster. Bioshock and Borderlands are BC and still got HD collections on XONE, being BC doesn't mean adding assets and features etc. You'll always have a market for remasters. Consider this....just cause I own a PS3, doesn't mean I own all PS3 games.....so if PS4 was even BC and a company made a remaster of a game, I'd still pick the remaster. My first time playing a game, I'd want THE BEST there is, not the dated version. That dated version isn't going to have all them extras and assets and features etc.

So I don't mind BC, but I wouldn't get any hopes up of not seeing remasters or something. PS3 had BC to PS1, you still got PS1 games ported to PSN.... So cause it can play PS1, doesn't mean the user has all PS1 games, thus a market still exist for it.

On the topic of BC, I care not for BC of PS4, I own like 4 of em lol, I actually want BC of PS3, PS2 and PS1 if they could as that would be MEGA! lol

 

[Kenpachii]

The specs looks great and I love the BC confirmation, but how in hell will Sony be able to sell this at an affordable price?

What makes you think this is expensive to start with?

 

[LuvOfThaGame]

Looks really promising. I like the drive towards SSD. I have an external SSD for the X1X and it is a big difference in loading. Don't like hearing 8k even mentioned. That would be a waste of resources, though this is probably just upscaling to 8k TVs which 8k tv would do anyways. Seems like $499+ is the target, which I didnt think Sony would do with the success they see with $399. They probably don't want to risk giving MS a $100 hardware advantage. Either way, it looks like everyone should be happy with next gen. At least we won't be starting with the power of a midrange laptop.

 

[Azelover]

Decided to unveil it in the weakest possible way..even a press release would have been better.

Sony, what are you doing?

 

[joe_zazen]

You may be right. For some reason NVMe just offers practically no advantage in game loading times. It's possible that game engines have to be designed to take advantage of the extra speed.
You say it's a shame that only Sony will be building games that fully leverage this tech, but really that's a good thing. As soon as someone does it, everyone else will have to as well.

I hope so.

 

[Handy Fake]

Decided to unveil it in the weakest possible way..even a press release would have been better.

Sony, what are you doing?

I think it's a tremendous way to undermine what will no doubt be the bombast of the MS reveal, personally.

 

[Fake]

I'm glad that it will be backwards compatible. I was worried that it wouldn't be because I'm sure companies would like to make remasters.

They sure will do make remaster, but of Xbox 360/PS3/PS2 games. At least, no PS4 after all.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Decided to unveil it in the weakest possible way..even a press release would have been better.

Sony, what are you doing?

So you want a press release for what was revealed yesterday?

There were no specs given just talking a little bit about the hardware.

Personally I love how Sony is going about things.

I love my Xbox one X, have 3 of them. But Phil Spencer and his team is always banging this drum hey look at me we are doing E3 big this year, hey we are buying all these studios, hey look here.

Sony just drops a bomb via an article, love it.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

I love my Xbox one X, have 3 of them.

3 of them? Why 3?

 

[Geki-D]

I know. I just find it silly that Sony and MS are touting ray tracing and 8K, when 4K 60 really hasn't become a reality yet.

60FPS isn't something most devs even want to do, though. It's something some gamers care about but devs would rather not sacrifice visuals for frame rate. If they can do it without sacrifices, sure but they can't. Also I'd assume 8K would be the next version of their checkerboard technique. Obviously it won't have native 8K.