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[DanielsM]

Outside of console exclusives, developers are going to target both platforms

If they official announce the ability play Xbox games natively on Windows 10 OS, I'm not so sure about that.... matter of fact, I would bet on a good portion of the major developers/publishers hitting the road. (topic for another day perhaps)

 

[Geki-D]

Who is he talking about or is it tales from his ass?
Didn't read it all yet but the statement is correct about what MS said and where, you'd have to be mighty confident (unsure if they still are though lol).

Oh, well if MS said it before they knew anything in regards to what Sony were going to do it MUST be true!

 

[DeepEnigma]

Was it? I must have missed that. Did he mention ray-tracing too?
The thing about the Xbox Leak is that it has been verified by multiple sources so I'm inclined there is some validity to it. Whatever the case may be E3 should be interesting



Who's they? The biggest PS5 leak thread on this forum only mentions Custom Zen, maybe that's where that speculation came from...

There of been so many over the past 5 months and they’ve been leapfrogging each other it’s hard to keep up. But search PS5 using Zen+ and it should come up

The Zen+ BS was the one that actually popped up after the original OsirisBlack leak that only had the family.

Then one came shortly after that on Reddit saying no it’s going to be Zen2 supposedly from a third-party dev in Europe, and they pretty much nailed everything on the head People were calling bullshit because of the SSD. That was the leak about GTA6 and some other game being a timed exclusive at launch for PS5.

Then a more refined one that you are using came out shortly after, People once again started saying bullshit cause of the SSD.

Then Cerny drops the architecture, and it’s pretty much what most of the more refined leaks were saying.

All of a sudden Xbox leakers are again scrambling with some weird terminology. You can say it’s “more powerful” but saying “more advanced” is kind of silly when we know the roadmaps. One will say semantics, but in the tech world we know how strict these meenings could be. It sounds like marketing talk.

I agree, I can’t wait for E3 just because this leapfrogging is getting annoying for the past 5-6 months, When it all circles around the damn same architecture for both LOL.

 

[Bryank75]

Who is he talking about or is it tales from his ass?
Didn't read it all yet but the statement is correct about what MS said and where, you'd have to be mighty confident (unsure if they still are though lol).

This guy plays everything on Xbox, his posts reek of bot posing as unbiased. Plus he is a nobody really. Chalk it up as an attention seeking fanboy trying to undercut Sony’s thunder.

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

Mark Cerny > Phil Spencer

 

[ResilientBanana]

Was it? I must have missed that. Did he mention ray-tracing too?
The thing about the Xbox Leak is that it has been verified by multiple sources so I'm inclined there is some validity to it. Whatever the case may be E3 should be interesting



Who's they? The biggest PS5 leak thread on this forum only mentions Custom Zen, maybe that's where that speculation came from...

I'm starting to wonder if the Initial Xbox spec is the base S variant and not the X variant. But again, It would be ludicrous to think that there would be more than 12TF in a console.
Re-read the rumored specs. I don't think I'm right S = 4TF - X = 12TF according to rumors.

 

[Ar¢tos]

Eh.. Who knows? Maybe it's so more advanced it will even play TV and sports and have an integrated watercooler.

 

[Dee Dah Dave]

Rumours suggested that Sony might launch this year, or March next. Those seem to be dead now and so it's possible that Sony have rethought their machine to match the nextbox and delayed it a bit. Who the fuck knows for sure until they both spill all the beans.

 

[Daymos]

Nearly as advanced as super mario advance on the gameboy advance!

 

[Codes 208]

I mean, the Xbox one is currently the only blemish as far as hardware power goes. When the 360 came out it was rather revolutionary even by pc standards. And the OG Xbox was quite a bit more powerful than both the ps2 and GameCube.
Even as of now the current most powerful system is the X.

The question is are we looking at a $500 range system or a $600 range system? If the two separate models are true, then MS could possibly afford having a higher end system this time around.

 

[VincentMatts]

We'll find out soon enough. That being said, i think MS will be as vague as Sony was 2 days ago. Lots of NAVI and threads but no actual numbers.

 

[Shin]

This guy plays everything on Xbox, his posts reek of bot posing as unbiased. Plus he is a nobody really. Chalk it up as an attention seeking fanboy trying to undercut Sony’s thunder.

That's why I'm asking because 4k followers is still 4k followers (even if he's the news spreader).
E3 is what 5-7 weeks away? I think at best Microsoft will do the same as Sony and briefly put out some important parts.

 

[outsida]

I fell for this before

 

[Moneal]

2005 random dude on NeoGaf: PS3 will be more powerful than Xbox 360 because of power of cell and it uses Nvidia graphics card.

2013 xbox executive: You wont see a 30% gulf between PS4 and Xbox One, we have the guys that created Direct X.
2013 most games: 30% better performance on PS4

 

[Shin]

I fell for this before

To summarize:

 

[shark sandwich]

Hopefully true. I want to see two badass systems both competing on power.

Not like last gen where we got “budget gaming PC” vs “low/midrange gaming PC”.

I also kinda hope Xbox completely throws us for a loop. E.g. Nvidia GPU + Intel or ARM CPU, neural network acceleration, who knows. Just to make things really interesting.

 

[ThaMonkeyClaw]

I also remember them (Microsoft) basically touting that their server side physics processing for games was going to be revolutionary...how did that work out for them...has any game ever supported this (I seriously don't know)?

 

[rəddəM]

It's not about more power or little advantages, it's about how and what you do with what you have.
Look at what the Sony First Party do with a mere PS4.
As long as Sony has the best developers working for it, they're golden.

 

[Bernkastel]

2013 xbox executive: You wont see a 30% gulf between PS4 and Xbox One, we have the guys that created Direct X.
2013 most games: 30% better performance on PS4

2017 executive : Most powerful console ever made
2017 most games : Run much better on Xbox One X, so it's the definitive way to play.
2005 executives : Power of cell

 

[VincentMatts]

Xbox will have the most powerful hardware next gen...they'll also have the weakest if the Lockheart is going to undercut the PS5, it'll most likely be less powerful so the PS5 will be sandwiched between. It won't have the power advantage and it won't have the price advantage either.

Klobbrille and Nibel on Resetera are pretty reliable and have pretty much confirmed it. But we won't know for sure for a few more weeks.

Yeah i dunno if i agree with that tactic if its true. I totally understand that price is hugely important, so i get why they might do it that way. Also, these multiple skus work fine for PC so...i guess it can work? But at the same time, i feel like it just makes development much more complicated when you have a base system and a high end one. You always have to make sure the game is developed for the weakest system in mind and thus, more compromises will ultimately be made in games.

 

[Jigsaah]

It’s very difficult if not impossible for MS to change specs significantly now that Sony has shown their hand. Specs are more or less finalized unless MS is releasing much later.

I'd agree, but this doesn't mean necessarily that Microsoft is less or more powerful. That's why I said we need to wait for E3. We don't know what the specs are and we won't know until then.

If I were to guess, I'd say the boxes would be comparable to a point that any difference would be largely negligible. A PS4 Pro to Xbox One X type of gap is simply not possible unless, like you say, Xbox releases in 2021, which, in my view, would be disastrous for Microsoft.

EDIT: If you are trying to address the notion that Sony may have made a mistake by showing their hand too early, I didn't say that because it would give Microsoft an opportunity to 1up them. It was because this type of reveal is typically saved for the official unveiling of a console. I think it would have been more impactful to list their specs after Microsoft's E3 press conference.

 

[shark sandwich]

It's not about more power or little advantages, it's about how and what you do with what you have.
Look at what the Sony First Party do with a mere PS4.
As long as Sony has the best developers working for it, they're golden.

Come on man. Don’t be the guy who comes into a thread that’s specifically about power and says “b-b-but power doesn’t matter!” Just makes you look like an insecure fanboy.

 

[Psajdak]

No matter how powerful console, every post PS3 game that doesn't run at 60fps is ugly.

 

[GTR R35_Supra RZ]

I had no doubts, tbh..Spencer ain't @#$% around since Scorpio domination.

So like always I'll grab PS5 only for exclusives, everything else Anaconda.

 

[ethomaz]

The most shocking is...

Sony didn’t revealed specs, only Arch, but Insiders are 100% sure Xbox is stronger

 

[VincentMatts]

I'd agree, but this doesn't mean necessarily that Microsoft is less or more powerful. That's why I said we need to wait for E3. We don't know what the specs are and we won't know until then.

If I were to guess, I'd say the boxes would be comparable to a point that any difference would be largely negligible. A PS4 Pro to Xbox One X type of gap is simply not possible unless, like you say, Xbox releases in 2021, which, in my view, would be disastrous for Microsoft.

EDIT: If you are trying to address the notion that Sony may have made a mistake by showing their hand too early, I didn't say that because it would give Microsoft an opportunity to 1up them. It was because this type of reveal is typically saved for the official unveiling of a console. I think it would have been more impactful to list their specs after Microsoft's E3 press conference.

We wont know till e3 but at the same time, what would be the point of making 2 SKUs if you dont also go all out on the higher end one spec wise? It doesnt really make any sense to have a "base sku" and a "high end sku" if your high end one just ends up being comparable to the competitions.

The point is to make one thats affordable, and one thats not, isnt it?

 

[RokkanStoned]

Misterxmedia: "Hidden GPU. "

I'm getting flashbacks. Let's just wait until they actually reveal it. Instead of acting all up, it's better to wait and see. No hurry, it might be better or it might not.

 

[Mista]

Can’t wait for MS to confirm this when they announce the console. I’ll definitely come back here to see the reactions

 

[mckmas8808]

Who is he talking about or is it tales from his ass?
Didn't read it all yet but the statement is correct about what MS said and where, you'd have to be mighty confident (unsure if they still are though lol).

But how can MS just guarantee that the Xbox Next will be stronger than the PS5? There's only a few ways.....

1. They know they are releasing 6-12 months after the PS5.
2. They are willing to lose more money per console than Sony.
3. They are willing to charge $600 or more for the base Xbox Next console.



Can anyone else think of any other ways Microsoft can guarantee their next-gen system will be stronger?

 

[SonGoku]

How cant they know its more advanced if Sony revealed nothing besides the arch and the promise of a true next gen leap.
I smell bullshit

 

[Shin]

how did that work out for them...?

They might have learned from that and the whole Crackdown 3 mess.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20190065641A1/en?oq=15870585

But how can MS just guarantee that the Xbox Next will be stronger than the PS5? There's only a few ways.....

Let's see in June, I answered why I think and/or notice that it might be true earlier this morning but it lead to accusations.
Whichever is stronger doesn't matter to me regardless, as long as they are both 12TF+ and even then I still might not buy a NG console

 

[Bernkastel]

Kutaragi reveals that there was once the idea of using two Cell chips in the PS3, with one used as the CPU and the other used for graphics. However, this idea was killed when it was realized that Cell isn't appropriate for the functionality required for shaders.


Referring to the means of backwards compatibility used in the PS3, Kutaragi reveals, "We use a combination of hardware and software."

"With the Xbox next generation coming in November of this year, the current Xbox will become last generation. With that, the Xbox will kill itself. The only way to save it is to have 100% backwards compatibility from the first day. However, it seems that [Microsoft] cannot make that commitment -- on a technology level, it's difficult."

They'll also lose sales.

MS isn't in the same position as Sony with 80+ million consoles sold. They fail to realize that offering BC could also strengthen their Xbox brand, since it is only at 20 million right now. It would let consumers try out back catalogue of previous games in series and next gen in one set.

Nothing, nothing...I was just dreaming .

Just suppose, like all people here suppose, we have a system with 2 PEs, one for the CPU and one for the GPU.
In my mind the GPU is absolutelly free from T&L load. It just does pixel operations.
Anyways we are talking about 256-256 GFLOPS from each part.
XBOX on the other hand will feature a 80 GFLOP CPU and an ATI GPU. This ATI pirece should deliver 432 GFLOP in order to equal PS3 figures. 423 GFLOP...not NVFLOPS or ATIFLOPS or OURUFLOPS... Highly unlikely.

Then again why Sony should bother so much about PS3 when they could be on par with XB2 with just one PE and a silly GPU (just a rasterizer with a couple of functions like the GS) ? Here is where the equation fails... I have no answer.

Reminds me of these old threads. Sony have revealed as much about PS5 as they had about PS3. Even Digital Foundry agreed that they are very vague about their specs

 

[Musky_Cheese]

Didnt you get the memo? Xbox is set to dominate because reasons

Well it always seems that the “reasons” are because Microsoft money.

You’d think they would have learned by now

 

[Calibos]

All but confirmed rumors for months that MS is releasing two boxes at the start of the gen...One at 4 Tflops-ish and the second at a much higher spec

Both with updated CPUs, so I don't see why they would hamstring the higher spec one to be less powerful than the competition even if it costs more. PS5 could be $499 and the nextbox could be $599, with a low end, 1080p version at $299.

No matter what though, take this Tweet as a passing fart along with all the other rumors. In a little over a month, we will find out what the real smell is.

 

[Leonidas]

I agree, I can’t wait for E3 just because this leapfrogging is getting annoying for the past 5-6 months, When it all circles around the damn same architecture for both LOL.

Unfortunately it will continue till the specs are fully revealed for both machines. Sony didn't reveal PS4 Pro specs till 2 months before launch and some believed there would be last minute spec bumps so there could be another 17 months of this.

 

[Ogbert]

Not surprised in the least. MS will point blank refuse to let Sony ever outgun them again.

Problem is, they need games to win people back. Not specs,

 

[DeepEnigma]

Unfortunately it will continue till the specs are fully revealed for both machines. Sony didn't reveal PS4 Pro specs till 2 months before launch and some believed there would be last minute spec bumps so there could be another 17 months of this.

This is true. It’s getting very redundant though since we pretty much know what architecture is on the roadmap coming out of AMD. It’s going to come down to clock speeds and how they handle their I/O and bus architecture I feel.

 

[Afro Republican]

He seems to be the only one that has access to these "insiders" so far.

I'll wait a day and see if any other credible industry person comes out and confirms the information, but right now there's a bunch of outlets reporting on a random twitter user with 721 YouTube subscribers and a wordpress blog until then.

 

[Jigsaah]

We wont know till e3 but at the same time, what would be the point of making 2 SKUs if you dont also go all out on the higher end one spec wise? It doesnt really make any sense to have a "base sku" and a "high end sku" if your high end one just ends up being comparable to the competitions.

The point is to make one thats affordable, and one thats not, isnt it?

I think so but I think this leaves Microsoft in a bad spot. If this super powerful Anaconda ends up being $600 I don't think people are gonna go for it. PS5 will probably be $500 and it will get players everything they could hope for. This is evident from the reaction we've gotten from the recent reveal. If $600 for a console is too expensive then what's left is an undeniably underpowered system in Lockhart as a choice for Xbox fans. The decision would be

a) buy our super powerful system at a premium 600 price
OR
b) Get our underpowered system for 250-300 bucks or so (a streaming box, mind you)
OR
c) Thread the needle and buy a PS5 for $500.

Note that it's been speculated that there also may be multiple SKUs from Sony which could change this dynamic entirely. It's fun to speculate but we just need to see.

 

[quickwhips]

All of this with no specs.

E3 is coming. I expect specs then or I will be disappointed.

 

[Spukc]

Pretty fing obvious xbox wont make the same mistake again.
Ofc the next xbox will be more powerfull then the next playstation.

 

[Orenji Neko]

It may or may not be, but anybody on the internet can make this rumor because as far as I recall, Microsoft has made it somewhat clear that they want the hardware advantage again. Whether they actually will remains to be seen, but their supposed intentions have been dropped here and there for a little while now. Sony didn't reveal any specs, so the only way for someone to make this claim is if they actually know Microsoft's specs, and that said specs are so unbelievable that the only conclusion to reasonably draw is that there is no way the competing platform will measure up, and even then that is still guessing. I mean the guy is just parroting the one true thing we already know: Microsoft has said that they want to have the most powerful hardware in regards to the new consoles, so he's not really telling us anything we didn't already know. The worst part is if he's right (and I think chances might be good), he'll just be lucky but branded a good source when he really did nothing of note.

All but confirmed rumors for months that MS is releasing two boxes at the start of the gen...One at 4 Tflops-ish and the second at a much higher spec

Both with updated CPUs, so I don't see why they would hamstring the higher spec one to be less powerful than the competition even if it costs more. PS5 could be $499 and the nextbox could be $599, with a low end, 1080p version at $299.

No matter what though, take this Tweet as a passing fart along with all the other rumors. In a little over a month, we will find out what the real smell is.

Exactly. The tweet in question is just repackaging information we already know, spicing it up, and to top it off it appears the video games "journalism" shit factory we just love has already pumped out an article (or articles, I haven't checked) out of it.

 

[WouldYouKindly]

You can have all the specs you want they dont mean dick if you dont have the games to showcase them...

 

[Bernkastel]

You can have all the specs you want they dont mean dick if you dont have the games to showcase them...

Why do you think they are buying studios then, to win GAF number wars ?

 

[KINDERFELD]

I hope Microsoft shows off some really cool exclusives this E3 so I could ditch Sony and BS censorship next gen.

 

[Insane Metal]

Xbox will be more advanced than Xbox. Bla bla bla bla...

Microsoft is losing it. First Windows 10, now Xbox Anaconda.

Anaconda will end up eating XBox.

 

[JareBear: Remastered]

Specs or GTFO. Pony up.

 

[Boss Mog]

OP picking up the slack in V Voost Kain 's absence I see.

 

[DunDunDunpachi]

Why do you think they are buying studios then, to win GAF number wars ?

Yes, this forum is the center of the gaming market. You've discovered the secret.

 

[Bernkastel]