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In MK11, it will cost you $6440 to buy every skin in the game without grinding

nani17

are in a big trouble
https://www.reddit.com/r/PS4/comments/bguuzb/in_mk11_it_will_cost_you_6440_to_buy_every_skin/?depth=2

Let's assume you just want to finish the campaign, do every character tutorial and complete the basic towers. You do not want to do any grinding outside of this, but you want to unlock every skin in the game:

On average, one skin costs 500 Time Krystals, which costs $5 in the store. You can, of course, earn these, but they accumulate very slowly

Skins appear in the store on a rotational basis, where a set of five skins are made available for a limited period of time (usually 6 to 8 hours), then they are gone and you have to grind the towers to earn them. This adds to the urgency to quickly spend money on that skin you always wanted. For our calculations to be valid, we will assume you never see a duplicate skin in the store and you check the store every 6 hours or so

There are 23 characters in the game, each of which has 60 skins. But playing through the story, character tutorial and basic towers will usually unlock 4 of these, so we have 56 skins to unlock

So based on these, we get: 23 * 56 * 5 = $6440

Note that these calculations include the patch which the devs promised would solve the progression issues

This figure does not include: fatalities, brutalities, gear or single-use consumables because I have not figured out the exact drop rate for these

Why not just grind for the skins?

I got around 760 Time Krystals after 4 hours of play. At this rate, it will take me 3390 hours to unlock every skin. Sure, I could complete specific towers of time to get there faster. But like I explained in my previous post, these are near impossible to complete without rare or better gear and single use consumables, which themselves require more grinding.



Why the outrage over this? Previous MK games allowed you to pay for skins too...

In MKX, you could unlock all: skins, fatalities, brutalities and DLC characters for just $40. Yet in this game, you need $6440 just to unlock all the skins.


Don't know much about the new MK only seen two trailers but timed skins are absolutely BS. They only appear for 6-8 hours why? It's not like someone is going to send that type of money but why such a different change compared to 40 dollars for all content
 
That feels ridiculously bad.

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Is there actually a limit for people nowadays? It feels like the line can't be crossed because a line just doesn't exist anymore. And by these people I mean consumers. That companies try shit like this is expected, but that people keep gulping down this liquid dogshit is just absolutely incredible to me.

But this sort of cynical bullshit is one of the main reasons I've started shitting on Western games so much now (Yes I know some Japanese games do it too). People harangue me over it and tell me all about Diablo 2 and Morrowind or Half Life. But that was when these companies still actually gave a single fuck about making actual fucking games. These are just sales platforms and often without even much effort into making them play decently. MK aint that bad yet probably but I guess it's just a matter of time.
 
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Shin

Banned
Makes team ninja seem like the good guys.
Their game is beautiful all-around IMO though as are the outfits which come from various different games, anime's and what's not.
Don't know if it's the same with MK11 (nor do I honestly care truth be told).
 

kingbean

Member
Their game is beautiful all-around IMO though as are the outfits which come from various different games, anime's and what's not.
Don't know if it's the same with MK11 (nor do I honestly care truth be told).

Yeah I own DOA6 on PC. It's a great game.
 

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
I mean - if you've got the OCD bad enough that you need to unlock 100% of everything, you probably shouldn't be playing modern games at all. Not that I'm defending this particular practice, but $6k is a drop in the bucket compared to a lot of mobile gacha games. I don't see people making complaints about how much it would cost to "unlock" every song in Rocksmith or "unlock" every train in Train Simulator.

I'd be surprised if more than a handful of people drop $6k on this game, and the ones that do probably need help with gambling addiction or need medication for their OCD.
 

NickFire

Member
Is there actually a limit for people nowadays? It feels like the line can't be crossed because a line just doesn't exist anymore. And by these people I mean consumers. That companies try shit like this is expected, but that people keep gulping down this liquid dogshit is just absolutely incredible to me.
Perhaps they changed the art direction to keep at least some people happy when their true colors were revealed. Only a question in my mind, but makes sense to me. Seems to me that had they left the art direction the same as before, and the true cost was a mere 5% of the OP's estimate, every gaming forum and professional reviewer would be panning this game with universal agreement.
 

Hinedorf

Banned
Last time I checked the game costs regular price. When you go to a gas station do you remark to yourself how much it would cost to buy every item or do you focus on just the purchase you're making?

I'm not trying to defend MTX, I'm arguing your bullshit logic on optional goods. I like options.
 

brap

Banned
No wonder why gaming is in the shit state it's in. So many people defending this garbage.

Last time I checked the game costs regular price. When you go to a gas station do you remark to yourself how much it would cost to buy every item or do you focus on just the purchase you're making?

I'm not trying to defend MTX, I'm arguing your bullshit logic on optional goods. I like options.
Shitty fucking analogy. More like you bought a full priced bag of chips and you aren't allowed to eat all of them unless you pay more. You're not buying the gas station.
 

Athena~

Banned
Last time I checked the game costs regular price. When you go to a gas station do you remark to yourself how much it would cost to buy every item or do you focus on just the purchase you're making?

I'm not trying to defend MTX, I'm arguing your bullshit logic on optional goods. I like options.

What kind of bullshit logic is this?

When you buy a game you purchased all the contents in the game.

When you go to a gas station you don’t own anything in the store.

Also you like the options of being locked out of the contents you purchased unless you grind for days to get it unlocked?
 

Xander3116

Member
So a heck of a lot cheaper then getting a god squad in Madden Ultimate team, some people spend 20 K a year on that game, crazy...
 

Hinedorf

Banned
No wonder why gaming is in the shit state it's in. So many people defending this garbage.


Shitty fucking analogy. More like you bought a full priced bag of chips and you aren't allowed to eat all of them unless you pay more. You're not buying the gas station.

I bought the game, I'm quite thrilled with the game. I could care less about the optional content.
 

jshackles

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
When you buy a game you purchased all the contents in the game.

Are you though? Did they release some sort of promotional material that said "includes 500 costumes?" or did they otherwise explicitly state that you'd be getting all this stuff for free or that it would be included with your purchase?

In the other analogy about the chips it'd be like getting a free hot dog every time you buy chips because you had an agreement with the gas station owner. So you walk in one day and expect to get your free hot dog, but instead the owner says you've gotta start paying for those. Does it suck? Yeah. Are you going to leave that gas station a bad Yelp review? Maybe. Would you really get angry at the owner because he realized people would actually pay for hot dogs?

Again, still not really defending this practice but I don't understand why people feel like they should be entitled to free content that other people are willing to pay for...
 

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
Personally, I couldn't give a toss.

Is it exploitative? Hell, yes. But so fucking what. Noone's got a gun to their heads forcing them to buy this stuff. People pay over the actual value for all kinds of stuff, but i don't see hand-wringing over it generally.

As to grinding. Sorry, but didn't that use to be the differentiator between hardcore gamers and casuals? Enthusiasts who wanted to squeeze every last drop of fun out of the games they loved playing, so they'd put hours and hours into it.

But now apparently, grind is bad, and to hell with devs who actually try and build-in rewards to justify the grind... They "don't respect our time" sayeth the casuals and (ironically) the poseur-types, who basically just want their merit badges for getting through doing the minimum.

If you don't want to grind. Fine. But don't expect to unlock everything because that's not how games work, and have always been that way.

If you don't want to pay for the shortcut. Don't. Noone's forcing you, and especially if the "value" isn't there for your money.

If you choose to do neither, fine also. But honestly, what do you expect? You don't sound overly invested.

And for the love of God, don't try and turn it into a point of principle, because it just comes across as just being obtuse and entitled.
 
Something Something mobile games are games but it will never infect the console industry, something something.

I will not buy any game that has this kind of bullshit in it. If this is the end of gaming (it isn't) then so be it. It's been a good run.

Fuck these practices though. Worst thing is, we all know they're not going away.

Remember when we thought Horse Armour had gone too far :/
 

Athena~

Banned
I bought the game, I'm quite thrilled with the game. I could care less about the optional content.

Imagine you would be more thrilled if you get the “optional” contents that you paid for...... but alas you just gave it up so easily and don’t really care about the game.

Are you though? Did they release some sort of promotional material that said "includes 500 costumes?" or did they otherwise explicitly state that you'd be getting all this stuff for free or that it would be included with your purchase?

In the other analogy about the chips it'd be like getting a free hot dog every time you buy chips because you had an agreement with the gas station owner. So you walk in one day and expect to get your free hot dog, but instead the owner says you've gotta start paying for those. Does it suck? Yeah. Are you going to leave that gas station a bad Yelp review? Maybe. Would you really get angry at the owner because he realized people would actually pay for hot dogs?

Again, still not really defending this practice but I don't understand why people feel like they should be entitled to free content that other people are willing to pay for...

Except those are contents you paid for already. It’s in the game and for you to unlock, problem is you would have to grind for days to unlock. That’s a horrible game design and deserves to be criticized.

The 6k is not paying for the costumes, it’s for paying to unlock the contents faster. They are not respecting your time.
 
I'm always of two minds with these kinds of articles.

On one hand, yes, that's a completely ridiculous, bullshit amount of microtransactions

On the other hand, why would you spend money specifically to *NOT* play the game? Because that's basically what paying to unlock everything is.
 

thief183

Member
To bo honest, as much as I'm starting to hate the game, this is a non problem.

Microtransaction sucks but you are not forced to buy it, you just unlock the ones you like and that's it, having them all is not suposed to happen.
 

Hinedorf

Banned
Imagine you would be more thrilled if you get the “optional” contents that you paid for...... but alas you just gave it up so easily and don’t really care about the game.



Except those are contents you paid for already. It’s in the game and for you to unlock, problem is you would have to grind for days to unlock. That’s a horrible game design and deserves to be criticized.

The 6k is not paying for the costumes, it’s for paying to unlock the contents faster. They are not respecting your time.

On the contrary, I'm thrilled with both the game that I purchased and I'm also thrilled with the option to purchase cosmetic items if I choose.

I'm not exactly sure what you think I gave up or that I don't really care about the game. I appear to the the only person here advocating for MK11 and all of it's existing content.
 
Lol, I'm not even surprised anymore. Scary thing is, MK11 just came out. What will be in the game a year from now? DLC and microtransactions are ridiculous in the industry and things will get MUCH worst with next generation. I think you people owe DOA6 an apology for its grinding tactics. Sure, it’s optional but it’s kind of frightening imo. Are the skins even decent for all of that money and grinding?
 
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Nymphae

Banned
I mean - if you've got the OCD bad enough that you need to unlock 100% of everything, you probably shouldn't be playing modern games at all. Not that I'm defending this particular practice, but $6k is a drop in the bucket compared to a lot of mobile gacha games. I don't see people making complaints about how much it would cost to "unlock" every song in Rocksmith or "unlock" every train in Train Simulator.

I'd be surprised if more than a handful of people drop $6k on this game, and the ones that do probably need help with gambling addiction or need medication for their OCD.

I think one of the points being made here though is that it wasn't this costly in previous entries in the series. Mobile games have always been mobile trash.
 

Fbh

Member
Guess I'll just skip it.

As I said in the other thread, I wouldn't even mind this level of monetization if at least it translated into free characters and post launch support. For example like Overwatch which pushed the microtransactions hard but has also released several characters and maps for free.
But asking $60 for the game, then turning it into a microtransaction infused grindfest while simultaneously asking for another $40 to get post launch content support is something I have no interest in supporting
 

Codes 208

Member
Fuck that! I ain’t buying shit! It’s sad they’re doing this shady disgusting practice when the game itself is badass!
Not to play devil’s advocate but you didn’t seem to care when Gears 4 was doing this
MTX is just cosmetics so who cares?

That said, this is pretty disgusting. It’s like developers choose to ignore the shitfest EA and dice went through with BF2
 
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