DynamiteCop!
Banned
I thought it was adequate, take that for what you will. I think too many people are up in arms and wouldn't have been happy no matter what they did.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Game of Thrones Season 8 |OT| A Song of Icy and Fiery Fandom
- Thread starter cormack12
- Start date
Hudo
Member
You know what? I am kind of happy how it ended for Tyrion. And fuck Edmure Tully, lol. As soon as he stood up, I was like "Dude, sit your ass down again."
So, overall it was an OK finale. I don't think it wasn't as bad as (some) people say. Let's see how Martin will end it (if he manages to finish it, lol).
So, overall it was an OK finale. I don't think it wasn't as bad as (some) people say. Let's see how Martin will end it (if he manages to finish it, lol).
Kadayi
Banned
Initial watch. A little uneven in places, but overall I enjoyed it. Gotta say I loved the opening stuff and the tension. The scene with Jon & Greyworm, then when Tyrion & Jon were stood behind Dany giving her conquer speech. Everything Tyrion & Jon was decent. Dany & Jon could have been handled better I feel in terms of direction, but I dug Jon doing his best 'Guilty Dog Denver' Impression when Drogon turns up for a look see ( 
). Did enjoy the throne getting melted though. The meeting of the lord's scene was a bit less successful, but the outcome made sense. After all who better to rebuild the world than a man able to clearly see what went wrong in the past?
Anyway will add further thoughts after a couple more watches.
Agreed. Seems like way too many people in this thread think it's a tryout for the Olympic Edginess team. Mass Effect 3 bad? GTFO here with that nonsense. ME3 was one of the biggest rugpulls ever. Dany dying at Jon's hand was pretty much a certainty.
I wouldn't mistake forums for the wider picture.
). Did enjoy the throne getting melted though. The meeting of the lord's scene was a bit less successful, but the outcome made sense. After all who better to rebuild the world than a man able to clearly see what went wrong in the past?Anyway will add further thoughts after a couple more watches.
Agreed. Seems like way too many people in this thread think it's a tryout for the Olympic Edginess team. Mass Effect 3 bad? GTFO here with that nonsense. ME3 was one of the biggest rugpulls ever. Dany dying at Jon's hand was pretty much a certainty.
I wouldn't mistake forums for the wider picture.
MetalAlien
Banned
Does real life count? I have been asking people all week. I interact with dozens of different people every day and they all know i'm the movie guy. Not one has liked this season.
Kadayi
Banned
The show literally wrapped a few hours ago and you expect me to take you seriously?
Anyway tempered review from Erik Kain at Forbes: -
'Game Of Thrones' Season 8, Episode 6 Review: A Good Series Finale That Could Have Been So Much Better
The final episode of 'Game of Thrones' has come and gone. Let's take a look at what the series finale held for each of our surviving heroes and villains. It was a good episode, but it could have been so much better.
www.forbes.com
Last edited:
MetalAlien
Banned
Not talking about this episode duh!The show literally wrapped a few hours ago and you expect me to take you seriously?
Anyway tempered review from Erik Kain at Forbes: -
Texas Pride
Banned
Bullshit fucking ending and the leak was spot on. I'll tell you what this ending did for me. It guarantees I'll never invest another minute in anything D & D touch. GL Star Wars franchise.
Kadayi
Banned
The Season wasn't over until just now.
So you basically read spoilers and so instead of just enjoying the episode as an experience you instead sat there and mentally checked off everything you'd read?
JimiNutz
Banned
This is what I was expecting.
As soon as she died I thought that we would be plunged into another war.
I thought that Jon, thinking that he was actually doing the right thing, had actually just caused an even more bloody and brutal war/battle to begin.
I can definitely see the argument that the ending was 'adequate'. The problem is that 'adequate' was unfortunately somewhat boring to watch and thus the ending felt anticlimatic (for me anyway),
Last edited:
Texas Pride
Banned
The Season wasn't over until just now.
So you basically read spoilers and so instead of just enjoying the episode as an experience you instead sat there and mentally checked off everything you'd read?
I didn't care about having it spoiled if I'm being honest. I think the ending sucked bcs it made no sense and it still makes no sense. Do I tell you how to consume your entertainment? Nah don't point shit at me.
MetalAlien
Banned
The Season wasn't over until just now.
Yea and in real life you would have a 280lb man giving you the finger right now.
Kadayi
Banned
Last edited:
Trojita
Rapid Response Threadmaker
White Harbor is one of their cities.....
Achelexus
Member
Not at all, it means there will never be a ticking time bomb like Joffrey or Dany in the throne, the voters would never allow it.
Tesseract
Banned
that didn't feel like a series finale, another season would be fine by me
i'm really surprised they ended it there, lots of dead ends and useless threads
strange feeling, it does seem like a setup for a 9th season
there's no way that is grrm's ending btw, and if it is, the way it gets there is gonna be so different
i'm really surprised they ended it there, lots of dead ends and useless threads
strange feeling, it does seem like a setup for a 9th season
there's no way that is grrm's ending btw, and if it is, the way it gets there is gonna be so different
Last edited:
Airbus Jr
Banned
I have two interesting theories on why Drogon didnt attacked Jon and decided to melt the iron throne
1. It was said that dragons may be as smart, or smarter, than humans.Tyrion said it in season six. Drogon knew who to blame for Danys death and it wasn’t Jon. Drogon also knew Jon is a Targaryen. Were it was somebody else killing Danny ( Arya or any random person for instances) i bet drogon wouldnt hesitate to burn her/him.
2. Reason why Drogon didnt attacked Jon is because it was actually Bran warging into Drogons head . He knew this is coming. The throne is the symbol of greed and power coruption for him hence why he destroyed it.
1. It was said that dragons may be as smart, or smarter, than humans.Tyrion said it in season six. Drogon knew who to blame for Danys death and it wasn’t Jon. Drogon also knew Jon is a Targaryen. Were it was somebody else killing Danny ( Arya or any random person for instances) i bet drogon wouldnt hesitate to burn her/him.
2. Reason why Drogon didnt attacked Jon is because it was actually Bran warging into Drogons head . He knew this is coming. The throne is the symbol of greed and power coruption for him hence why he destroyed it.
Last edited:
pennythoughts
Member
The endpoints for a lot of characters are fine themselves, just poorly justified and paced. People have predicted mad queen dany burning down KL for years, Jaimie being this character you hate and then love and then tragically relaspses into his old ways is doable. D&D had a lot of great scenes in the early seasons that weren't in the books, nor even hinted at and they were fantastic (potentially carried by Dance and Headey but I digress), so the potential was there but D&D just got tired of writing the current biggest tv show for the biggest fantasy IP in years that has won plenty of awards? It just doesn't make any sense, Star Wars can wait, people for the most part were fine with later seasons as they were still better than average TV, just a bit of a dropoff after the first 4.
NK debacle really needed its own season and Dany's villain arc needed its own season, not single episodes.
NK debacle really needed its own season and Dany's villain arc needed its own season, not single episodes.
Airbus Jr
Banned
But this is GRRM ending
He already said that the main storyline wouldnt differ much from the book.
He already decided the Arya killing NK moment since couple seasons ago.
People need to move on, acept reality for what it is and let their litle fanfiction go away.
Last edited:
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Drogon's eyes weren't white, as far as I could tell.
O-N-E
Member
There's no fucking Night King in the books. Could you guys please stop?
Airbus Jr
Banned
Who said anything about book? I was referencing about the show from couple seasons ago
Theres no NK (yet) in the book but that doesnt mean GRRM cant tell a few details ahead on D&D shows
Last edited:
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
I give this finale an 8.9/10.
Kadayi
Banned
Do you think the army of the dead doesn't have some form of a leader? Just because we might not have seen them yet in the books doesn't mean they don't exist. The dead didn't just rise up of their own accord. Like it or not, the showrunners have been working to GRRMs outline and although the books are invariably going to be different in many ways, the broad beats will likely be the same.
O-N-E
Member
"in the books he is a legendary figure, akin to Lann the Clever and Brandon the Builder, and no more likely to have survived to the present day than they have." -GRRM on the NK.
Last edited:
Airbus Jr
Banned
Because thats what he is...
a myth.. a legend...
People are not going to believe it until they see it....
Thats what GRRM trying to built up..
Hes not going to reveal him in the book until he feels like hes ready to show him...
Last edited:
O-N-E
Member
If that's true, that's fine, but It's so dumb to assume that Arya killing the NK in the show was a suggestion from George. If you watched the "Inside the Episode" they stated "it just didn't feel right." That means they had a choice in the matter. They felt it wasn't right for Jon to do it so they shoehorned Arya into the position. George doesn't figure into this at all.
Like I said before, plz stop.
Last edited:
Airbus Jr
Banned
Says who ? ( GRRM doesnt figure this)
Just because they said it didnt feels right doesnt mean what they think should come to fruitition or they have the right to alters george vision.
Its George book and people need to accept it for what it is.
If George wants Podrick, Samwell, Tony Stark or anyone else to sit on the iron thrones because he feels like its right thing to do then showrunner need to do it wether they like it or not.
People need to stop assuming things and accept the show for what it is
Like i said..please stop.
Last edited:
autoduelist
Member
Well... its over.
Pros:
1) its over.
2) d&d gave us a surprise anti-woke ending by having Jon kill the symbolic representation of 'ethical authoritarianism', the unfortunately all too popular idea of late that we can create a better world by silencing all opposition, by force if necessary. The reeees will be magnificent if the deeper meaning of that conversation sinks in.
3) sansa brexiting the fuck out of the dumbest political system of all time [thanks, Tyrion]. First smart move she ever made, finally proving herself the smartest eva like we've been told a couple dozen times this season. Everybody else should have been like.... 'oh. Good idea. Cya bran, sorry dude, we'll keep in touch'.
4) Brienne as Kingsguard. Though they undercut that a bit by overplaying the knighting a couple episodes ago. That should have been saved till now. Still, that was clearly her arc and I'm glad she made it, even if she was the only character that did.
5) sansa isn't on the iron throne
6] the onion knight speaking for everyone, effectively asking if he should even be here.
7) ghost. Hell yeah.
8) the scene between Jon and Tyrion was great.
8) well acted. they didn't even break out laughing.
Cons:
1) bran? Hahaha. Seriously, though. Hahahahahha. But at least it wasn't Sansa.
2) arya deciding to throw out that list a couple episodes ago, kill Jon's reason for existence, and then decide her new mission is to prove flat earthers wrong. Wtf?
3) 'shut up, prisoner.'... 'ok, just one second while I finish determining the fate of the entire continent'
3) comedy hour with Tyrion, bronn, samwell, etc. They wrote, filmed, and edited that scene. It should have been the blooper reel after the credits.
4) rather than decide the iron throne, let's have the dragon just melt it! Because it was the throne causing all these problems, right guys? Ok, now that that's solved, let's create an even worse system for succession!
5) why did Jon go past the wall. He should have been the new commander. Maybe I missed something.
6) the entire scene deciding a new ruler was Ill conceived. Did the entire cast just draw straws as to who should set up in a odd half circle so grey worm could bring the imp to fuck more things up?
Pros:
1) its over.
2) d&d gave us a surprise anti-woke ending by having Jon kill the symbolic representation of 'ethical authoritarianism', the unfortunately all too popular idea of late that we can create a better world by silencing all opposition, by force if necessary. The reeees will be magnificent if the deeper meaning of that conversation sinks in.
3) sansa brexiting the fuck out of the dumbest political system of all time [thanks, Tyrion]. First smart move she ever made, finally proving herself the smartest eva like we've been told a couple dozen times this season. Everybody else should have been like.... 'oh. Good idea. Cya bran, sorry dude, we'll keep in touch'.
4) Brienne as Kingsguard. Though they undercut that a bit by overplaying the knighting a couple episodes ago. That should have been saved till now. Still, that was clearly her arc and I'm glad she made it, even if she was the only character that did.
5) sansa isn't on the iron throne
6] the onion knight speaking for everyone, effectively asking if he should even be here.
7) ghost. Hell yeah.
8) the scene between Jon and Tyrion was great.
8) well acted. they didn't even break out laughing.
Cons:
1) bran? Hahaha. Seriously, though. Hahahahahha. But at least it wasn't Sansa.
2) arya deciding to throw out that list a couple episodes ago, kill Jon's reason for existence, and then decide her new mission is to prove flat earthers wrong. Wtf?
3) 'shut up, prisoner.'... 'ok, just one second while I finish determining the fate of the entire continent'
3) comedy hour with Tyrion, bronn, samwell, etc. They wrote, filmed, and edited that scene. It should have been the blooper reel after the credits.
4) rather than decide the iron throne, let's have the dragon just melt it! Because it was the throne causing all these problems, right guys? Ok, now that that's solved, let's create an even worse system for succession!
5) why did Jon go past the wall. He should have been the new commander. Maybe I missed something.
6) the entire scene deciding a new ruler was Ill conceived. Did the entire cast just draw straws as to who should set up in a odd half circle so grey worm could bring the imp to fuck more things up?
Last edited:
O-N-E
Member
That's the problem in this situation. I'm not assuming. You are. The writers blatantly said that it was their decision to give Arya the kill. They "gave" it to her. It was theirs to give. What more do you want? Sure, George can do anything in the books, but we're talking about the writers and their creative liberty. Their own wordage made it 100% crystal clear they had full freedom to kill the Night King any which way they wanted. No assumptions there. It's their own words.
I'm done on this topic for tonight. Too late to be doing this to begin with, never mind with someone who's so stubborn beyond logic on the topic (no hard feelings though, it's just fiction).
Airbus Jr
Banned
nonono..my friend the one making assumptions is you...
If they re going to film something based on a book...only to betrayed its own source..because they change their mind dont like how the book story goes...than whats the fuckin point of doing it?( making ashow based on a book)
Last edited:
Grinchy
Banned
I thought it was a decent wrap-up compared to the awful and misguided setups. I wish I hadn't read so many "guesses" about Bran ending up as the king. I don't understand people who read leaks and then pretend to guess things. Do they quote their old posts and say, "Wow! Look, I guessed it!" and then women start throwing their panties at them? What does a weirdo get out of doing that?
Anyway, despite my problems with this last season and the fact that this show should have gone 10 seasons, I liked some of the conclusions.
Anyway, despite my problems with this last season and the fact that this show should have gone 10 seasons, I liked some of the conclusions.
stickkidsam
Member
As an ending to the series, it is undeniably incredible if George writes it well.
The episode was also really well made and props to everyone who put their soul into such an incredible show
For me personally and everything I was invested in?
*sigh* It hurts so much and I am disappoint.
The episode was also really well made and props to everyone who put their soul into such an incredible show
For me personally and everything I was invested in?
*sigh* It hurts so much and I am disappoint.
Romulus
Member
Three different large forums and two of my social media pages now, opinion seems pretty across the board. Hundreds of opinions. Below average--bad range. No problem if you liked it.
Kadayi
Banned
Your average joe watching doesn't post on Westeros.org or sit on Twitter all day getting righteous about coffee cups.
Chairman Tickles
Banned
This was an adequate finale. It wrapped things up well enough. Even made me sad the series was coming to an end.
But there are many openings for spin-offs and continuations on multiple fronts, from Aryas impending avdentures in the new undiscovered world, to further intrigues and happenings in the 6 kingdoms to more stuff going on in the north and beyond the wall.
It ended well. The series was not broken by this season. It was merely cut short. We can get more grub in the future.
The people and youtube critics squealing online are merely a tiny percentage of the overall audience. Their wittle danny got shanked, wa waaaa cry moar.
But there are many openings for spin-offs and continuations on multiple fronts, from Aryas impending avdentures in the new undiscovered world, to further intrigues and happenings in the 6 kingdoms to more stuff going on in the north and beyond the wall.
It ended well. The series was not broken by this season. It was merely cut short. We can get more grub in the future.
The people and youtube critics squealing online are merely a tiny percentage of the overall audience. Their wittle danny got shanked, wa waaaa cry moar.
Last edited:
mekes
Member
It feels pretty bad after watching such a competent show for so long that it would wrap up in this state. It’s such a disappointment to the series. There is so much to admire about the quality on show, even to the very end, that the contrast in storytelling - setting to destroy all of that is just sad for everybody involved. I’d read that the writers wanted to wrap things up quickly as they have earned themselves a deal to make Star Wars movies? Might be Star Trek? Either way, talk about the grass being greener on the other side! If true, it shows a huge lack of tact and care on their part and I would say for me, definitely rips away from any reputation they had built up.
Jon Neu
Banned
lol
This is like saying that you don't expect a good show to be good till the end.
It was made by another maester, not by Sam.
Jon Neu
Banned
If you think the only problem with this thing was Dany, you haven't been paying attention.
The series was not broken by this season (alone).
It has also the HORRENDOUS 7th season to help put to shreds any dignity and coherence the show once had.
Jon Neu
Banned
Yeah, given the absolutely atrocious quality of the show the last 2 seasons, I knew they were going to pull that ridiculous cliche between Jon and Dany, the most forced, uninteresting and unbelievable couple of lovers ever.
And it was as bad executed as someone could dream of.
gunslikewhoa
Member
At least I can post this now:
Grey Worm: Shut up, prisoner. You don't get to speak.
Tyrion: OK. Just let me pick a new king real quick.
Jon Neu
Banned
The absolute brilliance of the script will never cease to amaze us.
I'm looking forward to Dumb & Dumber and their take on Star Wars.
Chairman Tickles
Banned
IN A WORLD, where script kiddied Marvel shitflix are a billion dollar franchise...my point is it holds up well enough next to a billion overproduced, over-watched shitty films and series released every 5 seconds.
No this was adequate. People put too much stock into the series. It was never the best thing ever. Rhyme intended.
Last edited:
Jon Neu
Banned
Yes it was.
First 4 seasons was the best TV show ever.
Sadly, like Lost, the two final seasons became a trainwreck of stupidity, subverted expectations, destroying it's own build ups, plots and world building and crappy dialogue.
eot
Banned
Why can't Bran have children? Was that ever established?
Anyway, weird tonal shift after Dany died. The politics of the ending don't really make sense, and it's all too rushed. It's a "don't think about it too much" ending, but the whole show has been like that for a few seasons. Could've been worse.
Anyway, weird tonal shift after Dany died. The politics of the ending don't really make sense, and it's all too rushed. It's a "don't think about it too much" ending, but the whole show has been like that for a few seasons. Could've been worse.
Hoya Destroyer
Member
Danaerys being so naive as to let Jon get that close to her for an easy kill, is what bothered me the most about this episode. How could she not see the possibility of that happening? Did she just think Jon would be cool with the murder of so many women and children? Was she so "blinded" by love? That scene just didnt ring true to me.
Drogon melting the Iron Throne felt super cheesy. When I first saw it I thought "oooh, symbolism. Subtle".
Both these Drogon theories make me feel better about the throne-melting though. All I'd add would be, if Drogons intellect is on par with a humans, then I guess he is just a bit of a cunt for incinerating all those civilians.
The worst scene in the entire season for me was Bron pointing a crossbow at Tyrion and demanding astronomical amounts of money and power to not pull the trigger. Before that, I thought Bron had a genuine affection for both Tyrion and even Jamie, so the whole scene felt out of character. Seeing Bron get all those lands and titles, seemingly without any challenge from Tyrion, had me scratching my head. His "master of grammar" line did make me laugh though.
At the end of the day, I still thought the final episode was pretty good. I guess its nice to think that many of the surviving characters got their fairy tale ending, after seeing so much suffering throughout the series.
The biggest crime of the final season to me, is the Night King going out in one episode. I'd liked to have understood his motivations more and seen him kill more main characters before that happened - especially considering the destructive power of the undead dragon he commanded. Ah well.
Drogon melting the Iron Throne felt super cheesy. When I first saw it I thought "oooh, symbolism. Subtle".
Both these Drogon theories make me feel better about the throne-melting though. All I'd add would be, if Drogons intellect is on par with a humans, then I guess he is just a bit of a cunt for incinerating all those civilians.
The worst scene in the entire season for me was Bron pointing a crossbow at Tyrion and demanding astronomical amounts of money and power to not pull the trigger. Before that, I thought Bron had a genuine affection for both Tyrion and even Jamie, so the whole scene felt out of character. Seeing Bron get all those lands and titles, seemingly without any challenge from Tyrion, had me scratching my head. His "master of grammar" line did make me laugh though.
At the end of the day, I still thought the final episode was pretty good. I guess its nice to think that many of the surviving characters got their fairy tale ending, after seeing so much suffering throughout the series.
The biggest crime of the final season to me, is the Night King going out in one episode. I'd liked to have understood his motivations more and seen him kill more main characters before that happened - especially considering the destructive power of the undead dragon he commanded. Ah well.
MiyazakiHatesKojima
Banned
There's nothing more cringe-worthy than reading a person's take on how an episode should have been written. Just criticize the writing but please I don't want to read your fanfiction. We already got fucked by D&D this season, so we don't need anymore fanfiction from anyone else.
I'll be waiting for the books written by George R.R. Martin. Until then, peace out.
Ogbert
Member
Bit naff, but I'd resigned to that. I liked some of the moments; Tyrion's reaction to being named hand, the advisory group meeting and the big ginger wildling making another appearance.
All too rushed in the end. That said, I feel like the only genuinely egregious mistake they made was in Cersei's death. Should have been so, SO much more significant.
All too rushed in the end. That said, I feel like the only genuinely egregious mistake they made was in Cersei's death. Should have been so, SO much more significant.
Chairman Tickles
Banned
Because Bran is crippled. His dick don't work.
Nah Stargate SG1 was better. Breaking Bad was better. Sopranos was better. etc.
Last edited:
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Ok erm, so call me stupid or whatever, but was it ever mentioned why Jon... just didn’t take the throne? Like, he was the last Targaryen, why did he at no point maybe mention this? He could have ruled as king, Sansa would have followed and united everybody...?
I enjoyed the final but I can’t help but feel it should have been a 2 hour special couples with the last episode. This one felt like it was just a tidy up type thing, not a proper episode.
I’m also with the other people who feel this didn’t feel like the end, and that there could have been another series. It’s mind of just... ends. But I’m down for “the new adventures of...” type shows.
All in all I see why people are pissed but the show is what it is, and it’s been not only sign posted for years now but also written. You can’t just suddenly start crying when Darth Vader does something good at the end of Jedi when it’s been obvious all along.
Still one of the best shows I’ve seen in recent times and I’m so glad I watched it over a few weeks rather than from the start.
I enjoyed the final but I can’t help but feel it should have been a 2 hour special couples with the last episode. This one felt like it was just a tidy up type thing, not a proper episode.
I’m also with the other people who feel this didn’t feel like the end, and that there could have been another series. It’s mind of just... ends. But I’m down for “the new adventures of...” type shows.
All in all I see why people are pissed but the show is what it is, and it’s been not only sign posted for years now but also written. You can’t just suddenly start crying when Darth Vader does something good at the end of Jedi when it’s been obvious all along.
Still one of the best shows I’ve seen in recent times and I’m so glad I watched it over a few weeks rather than from the start.
Last edited:
Similar threads
- Locked