CyberPanda
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- Nintendo has a rather convincing lead at the moment
- Part of it has to do with the Xbox One and PS4 slowing down
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NPD: Switch is the top selling hardware in the US this year so far, Nintendo top publisher; neither shows signs of changing anytime soon
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DynamiteCop!
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I can see signs of this changing, and dramatically so in November of 2020.
CyberPanda
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Yep, Nintendo's attach rates are very high as well. They make consistent good quality titles that everyone can enjoy.
DynamiteCop!
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Clearly not, the Wii U had the games too but we all know how that panned out.
Stilton Disco
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It definitely feels like Nintendo have all the momentum right now while Sony and Microsoft spin their wheels preparing for next gen.
It's a long way off, but I'm curious as to how Nintendo will handle things in 2021 onwards.
I can't imagine the 'New Switchi Colour' will be enough to keep up with Xbox Two and PS5, so will they try and drag it out a few years to the midway point they had their do over system this gen find success in, and keep a standard system lifespan, risking a sales drop off and profit slump? Or instead risk bringing out their own next gen system earlier, which would compete more directly but could piss Switch owners off if it feels 'too soon'?
I've no idea, and I'm not bring out the Nintendoomed clock, just wonder how next gen is going to go down for the big N, since the WiiU being a total wankfest disrupted their release pattern so badly.
Regardless, glad the Switch is doing great. Love mine!
It's a long way off, but I'm curious as to how Nintendo will handle things in 2021 onwards.
I can't imagine the 'New Switchi Colour' will be enough to keep up with Xbox Two and PS5, so will they try and drag it out a few years to the midway point they had their do over system this gen find success in, and keep a standard system lifespan, risking a sales drop off and profit slump? Or instead risk bringing out their own next gen system earlier, which would compete more directly but could piss Switch owners off if it feels 'too soon'?
I've no idea, and I'm not bring out the Nintendoomed clock, just wonder how next gen is going to go down for the big N, since the WiiU being a total wankfest disrupted their release pattern so badly.
Regardless, glad the Switch is doing great. Love mine!
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CyberPanda
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Nintendo doesn't really need to focus on the other two. Nintendo just need's to do their own thing, and the sales will come.
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DetectiveBananas
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Now that Nintendo is rolling out some classics (Contra collection, Secret of Mana Collection, etc..) to go with their newer stuff, I’m pretty happy with the Switch. Well, the online still needs work..
CyberPanda
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Yea, they really need to do something about their online.Now that Nintendo is rolling out some classics (Contra collection, Secret of Mana Collection, etc..) to go with their newer stuff, I’m pretty happy with the Switch. Well, the online still needs work..
Stilton Disco
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Yes and no. I mean MS says the same thing and has managed to make lemonade out of the lens that is a distant second place to Sony.
I dont think you can really argue that the XO and PS4 didn't directly had a hand in the WiiU's early demise, even if it was crap enough to fail by itself, and the Switch benefited from being released halfway through the generation when excitement for its competitors was dying down, with it now doing great as the other two slow down.
I mean I certainly dont see that momentum continuing once 9th gen systems hit the market.
But, yes, Nintendo do also march to the beat of their own drum, and none of us can predict what will and won't work for them.
I might not believe they exist in quite as much of a vacuum as some do, but I do know whether they succeed or not is impossible to predict by competition alone.
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DynamiteCop!
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I made a commentary about this on another forum.
It's going to get so bad next-gen... This...
is going to be against games that will be 60 FPS and 4K and look like this as an average... It's like they're two decades apart. There's only so far that good games can get people until they start to feel like they're being taken for a ride when the output is bordering on GameCube reminiscent graphics.
There's a point where Nintendo's "own thing" is just ridiculous, and taking advantage of people and we've just about reached that point. Games can be fun and still look amazing, no one should have to settle for that 2001 looking crap.
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CyberPanda
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Yea I understand the frustration about graphics and Nintendo, but Nintendo is not going for the 'graphics' race anymore. They just focus on gameplay and the rest falls into place. They will release a Switch Pro eventually, maybe next year? I haven't been following the news. They don't chase that dream anymore(high specs), and MS and Sony will just fight for the spec war stuff. If people really care about graphics, they should just build a high end PC, where you'll get all the bells and whistles. Like, it would be nice for Nintendo to make a powerful system, but I don't get my hopes up. Nintendo just makes fun games that I enjoy imo. And, I'm not defending the graphics in the picture of the Pokemon game, that's inexcusable. There are far better looking titles on the Switch than that.I made a comommentary about this on another forum.
It's going to get so bad next-gen... This...
is going to be against games that will be 60 FPS and 4K and look like this as an average... It's like they're two decades apart. There's only so far that good games can get people until they start to feel like they're being taken for a ride when the output is bordering on GameCube reminiscent graphics.
There's a point where Nintendo's "own thing" is just ridiculous, and taking advantage of people and we've just about reached that point.
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DynamiteCop!
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But they keep falling further and further behind, when the next generation systems release there's going to basically be three generations of compute separating them.
Nintendo should just go third party, they're delivering games in the most incompetent fashion possible just to sell people a gimmicky piece of hardware. It was fine when it was GC/Wii graphics against the 360/PS3, it was fine when it was the Wii U graphics against early 8th gen games but the Switch is basically producing Wii U level graphics again and we're at the end of the 8th gen where things have radically progressed and about to drop into the 9th generation.
They're hitting the boundaries of unacceptability. Release a handheld and put your games on it, release them on PC, Xbox and PlayStation for the home market in 4K or something. They charge $300 for this shit in 2019, it's absurd.
CyberPanda
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Yea. I guess we'll see what Nintendo does in the near future. But, I'm not holding my breath.
llien
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Ol'Scratch
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This is like a race where all of the other cars are pulling into the pits and the one car left on the track has no idea and starts feeling themselves. It is a little embarrassing.
DynamiteCop!
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Fixed.
DunDunDunpachi
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DS/Wii levels of videogame releases are back, baby, and this time it ain't waggleware, either.
I'm just happily cheering Nintendo from the sidelines at this point. I'm already satisfied w my Switch collection (35 games and counting) and I can't wait to see what comes to the system in the coming years.
I'm just happily cheering Nintendo from the sidelines at this point. I'm already satisfied w my Switch collection (35 games and counting) and I can't wait to see what comes to the system in the coming years.
TLZ
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With this success and momentum, that's not going to happen. They see their IPs strength and worth, plus their portable stronghold. No reason to leave all that on the table. Just watch how many more they'll sell when they announce and release the mini.
No. It didn't. Wii U had consistent droughts.
DynamiteCop!
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Which is fine as a handheld, but let that be what it is. Stop masquerading in the console market as if you still have a place in it, 720p TV's haven't been the standard for 12 years and we're still met with a system which is built around that standard.
I hooked my Switch up to my 4K TV and tried to play Breath of the Wild and it was just a god awful visual experience, it ruined everything. It's one of those it would have been better if you didn't even try to enter the home console space kind of situations.
And the Switch didn't? The gap from Breath of the Wild to Super Mario Odyssey was 7 months and the games in the interim which were fueling its momentum were Wii U ports... I have to say I am very disappointed in the Nintendo community, it was never about the games.
mcjmetroid
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It didn't have Breath of the Wild at launch and didn't have Mario Odyssey a few months later.
WiiU was awful at launch and while it had great games it had very little system sellers and it certainly didn't have them in time.
LMJ
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Nintendo has crazy momentum going into late 2019 -2020, but the PS4 has a few really great exclusives coming that I see putting a dent in the lead, if only temporarily, and the Box has it's own slew as well...
I'm sure we all know the next gen consoles will bring sales, but nobody should rest on their laurels right now.
Keep it up Nintendo, you've made the Switch my 2nd favorite Nintendo console ever...keep pushing
I'm sure we all know the next gen consoles will bring sales, but nobody should rest on their laurels right now.
Keep it up Nintendo, you've made the Switch my 2nd favorite Nintendo console ever...keep pushing
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DynamiteCop!
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A few months later? 7 months later is considered a drought everywhere else. Also you're completely shirking my point.
The games which kept the Switch's momentum up were Wii U ports, it's poetic irony.
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DunDunDunpachi
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PS4 owners?
spandexmonkey
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I made a commentary about this on another forum.
It's going to get so bad next-gen... This...
is going to be against games that will be 60 FPS and 4K and look like this as an average... It's like they're two decades apart. There's only so far that good games can get people until they start to feel like they're being taken for a ride when the output is bordering on GameCube reminiscent graphics.
There's a point where Nintendo's "own thing" is just ridiculous, and taking advantage of people and we've just about reached that point. Games can be fun and still look amazing, no one should have to settle for that 2001 looking crap.
Using Pokemon Sword/Shield as a comparison is not really fair. I liked the Xenoblade 2 environments. Personally, at a certain point the increased visual fidelity is lost to me. I've played a few games in 4k and once the action starts I stop noticing it.
DynamiteCop!
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That's better but it's still in PS360U territory.Using Pokemon Sword/Shield as a comparison is not really fair. I liked the Xenoblade 2 environments. Personally, at a certain point the increased visual fidelity is lost to me. I've played a few games in 4k and once the action starts I stop noticing it.
Ulysses 31
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Are you expecting PS4/XBO graphics from a tablet?
thelastword
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Man, I always wished we would get to see a Zelda again with really top end graphics technology, like in the GC days.....Perhaps some studios would want to make some games in the vein of Eternal Darkness and RE4 styled graphics for a Nintendo system again...…...I made a commentary about this on another forum.
It's going to get so bad next-gen... This...
is going to be against games that will be 60 FPS and 4K and look like this as an average... It's like they're two decades apart. There's only so far that good games can get people until they start to feel like they're being taken for a ride when the output is bordering on GameCube reminiscent graphics.
There's a point where Nintendo's "own thing" is just ridiculous, and taking advantage of people and we've just about reached that point. Games can be fun and still look amazing, no one should have to settle for that 2001 looking crap.
DynamiteCop!
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No, I'm expecting that if you're going to enter the console space make it competent enough to do so. The system is towing the graphical lines between a Wii U and the original Wii depending on games.
It's like a jack of all trades that's only good at one of them.
BlackTron
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I don't want a dedicated handheld device. If they would make a Game Boy/DS with a TV out, I'd buy one. OH WAIT, THEY DID. The fact that the Switch can connect to a TV or be a portable is why I have one.
Funny though, I don't go on Internet forums complaining that nobody should want a dedicated handheld because it forces you into a small screen and cramped controller at all times. Because, that's just, like, my opinion, man.
Switch gives me versatility and options.
Stop making decisions for other people. It's rude and annoying. More options are always better.
Apparently, a LOT of people really liked this option. Sorry you're not one of them, but no one cares. Just play something else and stop judging those responsible for Nintendo's sales numbers as wrong.
Joelenheimer
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I made a commentary about this on another forum.
It's going to get so bad next-gen... This...
is going to be against games that will be 60 FPS and 4K and look like this as an average... It's like they're two decades apart. There's only so far that good games can get people until they start to feel like they're being taken for a ride when the output is bordering on GameCube reminiscent graphics.
There's a point where Nintendo's "own thing" is just ridiculous, and taking advantage of people and we've just about reached that point. Games can be fun and still look amazing, no one should have to settle for that 2001 looking crap.
g-g-g-graphics whore! Yeah, Nintendo is cheap. This is new to you? You think Nintendo just started doing this shit? Ever since gaming started becoming a thing back in the 80's this has been Nintendo's business model, Gunpei Yokoi's "Lateral Thinking with Withered Technology". Take technology that is cheaper to produce and well understood and make the best of it. Those graphics you posted sure are pretty, but they can go fuck themselves. I've played and seen way to many "good looking games" on PC that are boring as fuck. Big Idea's that never come to fruition, because it's too fucking expensive. For everybody. You don't like the graphics. Then don't buy it.
Also, don't compare some BS forest to some shitty looking Nintendo game that's going to sell gangbusters, copies and systems alike.
DynamiteCop!
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This is why I honestly think they should go third party but not entirely, release a portable only platform akin to the Switch and for the home console market bring the games to Xbox and PlayStation.
This would serve the games best on all fronts, they'd lose the home console hardware sales but they would gain significant software sales. Can you imagine Breath of the Wild at 4K on a console? I mean look at the CEMU stuff, the work being done there. They're the only one which should genuinely leave the home console market but refuse to and as a result the experience in that market suffers.
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#Phonepunk#
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oh great a Nintendo thread let's all talk about graphics over and over and over and over and over and over..
i would rather play BOTW on Switch than play it 4k on a Xbox and be tethered to the living room and a huge ass controler
i would rather play BOTW on Switch than play it 4k on a Xbox and be tethered to the living room and a huge ass controler
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DynamiteCop!
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Why not have the ability to do both?
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How funny it is to hear all this coming from someone with a Dreamcast game as their username. No thanks I'll keep my bad graphics if it means they don't end up like Sega.
LordRaptor
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> topic about how nintendo are absolutely killing it right now
> arguments about why they should go third party
never change gaf
> arguments about why they should go third party
never change gaf
DynamiteCop!
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They don't have to end up like Sega, who else is captilizing and succeeding in the handheld market?
If I could play Breath of the Wild on my Switch on the go or in bed etc, and then come home and continue it on my Xbox or PlayStation I would be a much happier person, anyone would be.
This is why I said it's never been about the games to you Nintendo zealots, you act like it is but it's never been that. You become illogically attached to their hardware when the reality is their games would be much better served elsewhere in the home market.
thelastword
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Well, I don't want them to go third party, but I wish Nintendo fans would ask a bit more of Nintendo on the hardware front...….I mean, I can appreciate that they don't go toe to toe with Sony and MS, but I'd wish their next console would be an 8TF Navi at least, like the RX 5700...As Cerny said, 8TF would manage 4k and with most of Nintendo's stylized games, they would be able to render all their Mario games, Zelda's at 1440p-4k 60fps with some nice AA and AF...…..Hey, I'd buy such hardware in a heartbeat as a second console.....
Damian black
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Lol yeah, not gonna happen.
People buying nintendo hardware clearly dont care and neither does nintendo. All that matters is money and install base. People should stop trying to push this whole model on others, just because microsoft is headed in that direction.
DynamiteCop!
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People do care, almost everyone cares if they're being honest. Only someone lying to themselves would claim to be fine when they could be given a substantially better experience in the same game elsewhere. They'll still buy whatever jank hardware Nintendo sells them though because that's how you can play their games.
You guys defend junk hardware because Nintendo, because of gimmicks, and no one is attacking their games, they're excellent but the way in which they're hamstrung to such underwhelming computational garbage is a problem. One which mind you is forming a contnually growing gap with the rest of the industry, it started out as one generation behind, with the mid-generation systems it's basically two, and with PS5 and Scarlett coming it will effectually be three.
The Switch while cool in concept was also a mistake, Nintendo can never release a traditional home console again which means they will perpetually be stuck generations behind. A system getting like >5% of AAA/AA game releases from 3rd parties is a system which does not need to exist, indies which are basically available everywhere else and Nintendo's games are the only driving force of their platform.
Like I said you're hamstrung because of their games, the software, software which would be infinitely better served outside of the half-baked platforms they choose to create now.
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DunDunDunpachi
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What ever happened to the diversity of the game market, where each brand had a stable of unique IPs to help them stand out in the crowd?
Oh. This obsession with third-party "AAA" is what happened.
DynamiteCop!
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Flat out the Switch is the single worst platform to own standalone, you've got Nintendo games and that's just about it. Nintendo has diversity of their own but the cost is too high, they've relegated themselves to side-system status because you miss too much from everyone else for it to be a lone viability.
What ever happened to the diversity of the game market, where each brand had a stable of unique IPs to help them stand out in the crowd?
Oh. This obsession with third-party "AAA" is what happened.
Ulysses 31
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You're being hyperbolic or your mind's playing tricks on you when it comes to Wii games. Switch is more powerful than a Wii U. It's a Wii U Pro at worst.
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iconmaster
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Look at these hot takes! Seems like the market strongly disagrees.