Still, it will at most be Navi 14 which is small Navi. Likely less then 20CUa. And of course you wont be seing 8core APU in laptop paired with 16GB of RAM.
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SpinningBirdKick
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AMD bin their chips, so Renoir performance probably ranges from poor to good/great. I very much doubt it's a single product configuration unlike Intel chips.
At the top end of Renoir's performance curve I could see it reaching the levels of Gonzalo/Flute - which I don't believe are next-gen console chips but ymmv.
CrustyBritches
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Raven Ridge used D or M indicators in it's OPN. G is for something more specific. Like a Subor or PS5.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
I just simply believe it highly unlikely AMD go from the top desktop APU of the 3400G with 4c8t Zen+ and 11 CU Vega that launched 3 weeks ago to a 8c16t Zen 2 and 40CU Navi less than 6 months later.
xool
Member
Even with the cut down cache 8 cores seems top end for APU.. and why was there a single APU score, when we should expected multiple Renoir skus .. no this seems like a custom sample, not part of a product range
THE:MILKMAN
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But AMD haven't gone with 8 cores in a APU so far. Probably because they need as much die space for the GPU? And just how big would a 8 core Zen 2/40 CU Navi APU be? 12nm 3400G is already 210mm^2.
It just seems so highly unlikely!
xGreir
Member
Gonzalo believers have less base than my dead momma, is ridiculous, no thx :c
The heretics are just working with theoric facts, but nothing directly from employees, not from Sony, amd, or whatever.
Sigh ;;
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sonomamashine
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Alienware co-founder leaves Dell to become AMD’s chief gaming architect
Frank Azor is taking up a new challenge after 21 years at Alienware.
www.theverge.com
Exclusive: Frank Azor Joins AMD As Chief Gaming Officer
Alienware cofounder Frank Azor has left Dell to join AMD as Chief Gaming Officer. Looks like AMD took a leaf out of Intel's book and went out on a talent hunt of its own, managing to grab Alienware Co-Founder, Vice President and General Manager, Frank Azor.
wccftech.com
SpinningBirdKick
Banned
G is for gaming.
AMD offer embedded solutions for casino and gaming machines that support up to 4k and 36 CUs.
Applications include
- Digital Casino Gaming
- Amusement with prizes
- Skill based gaming
- Pachinko/Pachislot systems
- Video/Lottery systems
- Arcade/Panyu Gaming
Of course much easier if we continue to believe that all this underpowered AMD stuff is PS5, right?
Much more here
gaming_noob
Member
So the consensus so far in terms of power is PS5 > Xbox Next? Cerny is a genius if so. I won’t be getting Xbox next gen if so.
ResilientBanana
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I'm thinking that they will be on par with one another.
ethomaz
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Every today GPU has FP16... hell even older GPUs from 20 years (Nvidia FX even run FP16 twice faster than FP32 like Vega).
What Vega has and Polaris not is RPM... Rapid Package Math... in simple terms Vega runs FP16 twice faster than FP32... so twice faster than Polaris.
PS4 Pro chip is Polaris based with some features from Vega but the main parts are Polaris.
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It's full of obvious nonsense even for back then (like the 32bit CPU, no-HDD, and 'opengl gpu') mixed with some bits he must have overheard from a real source (like the codenames, 8 cores, and even the early 4 core part (which was not a Jaguar afaik)).
Which seems to be a running theme for early leaks - people get one or two pieces of random info and pad it out with their own fantasies.
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xool
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If you're managing publicity/secrecy and want to avoid leaks the standard way to do this is create so much noise that even if the correct data comes out no-one can see it for the noise.
This old leak actually fits the pattern - it takes the correct code name(s) and attaches nonsense info to them - so if anyone leaks later with the same (correct) code names - it looks like they're just an internet fantasist who is shitposting ....
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ResilientBanana
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This is what makes me think the 5700 in the consoles may be able to support RT.
Mass Shift
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So someone from Era cought one super interesting tidbit.
Flute and Gonzalo are both Shakespear characters lol that cannot be coincidence!
Ok so I checked for Ariel! Its Shakespear character as well holy shit
Ariel is a spirit who appears in William Shakespeare's play The Tempest
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_(The_Tempest)
Francis Flute is a character in William Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Flute
Gonzalo (/ˈɡɒnzəloʊ/ GON-zə-loh) is a fictional character in William Shakespeare's The Tempest.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_(The_Tempest)
OMFG
As a person who studied practically all of Shakespeare's plays and sonnets, I'm personally embarrassed that I didn't decipher this myself.
Lone Wolf
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RIP momma. The console wars miss you.
ResilientBanana
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The fuck? Onions vs Leaks?
joe_zazen
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Any guesses in whether the project will be a tragedy, comedy, or historical piece of work?
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IceManCat
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Judging by this thread it’s going to be a mix of all three
luca_29_bg
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komachi discovered a 4096sp maybe coming this year but he deleted the tweet...
Mass Shift
Member
In typical Shakespeare fashion, there will likely be winners, losers and DEAD losers.
SonGoku
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mmmm Project Quantum revived?Alienware co-founder leaves Dell to become AMD’s chief gaming architect
Frank Azor is taking up a new challenge after 21 years at Alienware.Exclusive: Frank Azor Joins AMD As Chief Gaming Officer
Alienware cofounder Frank Azor has left Dell to join AMD as Chief Gaming Officer. Looks like AMD took a leaf out of Intel's book and went out on a talent hunt of its own, managing to grab Alienware Co-Founder, Vice President and General Manager, Frank Azor.
R600 is right, commercial AMD APU won't have nowhere the grunt of Navi 10, maaaaaybe Navi 14 and even that its probably too much
AMD commercial APUs are just CPUs with integrated graphics that go inside CPU sockets
An APU with a 5700 class GPU with its own dedicated memory (gddr6/hbm) needs a custom board to properly feed it, so gonzalo/flute (if real) is semi custom. That said a company like Alienware might be interested in such design for a economic performance gaming box or laptop. Or Subor
Unlike RPM, RT its not simple addition, it requires the GPU pipeline be designed around it.
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Fake
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Curious about that too.
SonGoku
Member
Funny how on ree they are pushing the narrative that 1700x performance is somehow good news
Interesting post on by3d
I used his estimates to calculate the costs of a ~390mm2 die
Defective Dies: 43
Partial dies: 8
Good Dies: 94
Recovered Dies by Redundancy (50%): 21
Total Good Dies: 115
$9000/wafer, cost per die = 9000 / 115 = $78.3
Granted this is the cost straight from the fab without accounting for R&D, packaging, AMDs cut etc, lets add $50 and round it up to $130 per APU.
Also worth pointing out consoles manufacturers will place orders north of 100k wafers for the first year alone, so better better pricing per wafer
Interesting post on by3d
I used his estimates to calculate the costs of a ~390mm2 die
Partial dies: 8
Good Dies: 94
Recovered Dies by Redundancy (50%): 21
Total Good Dies: 115
$9000/wafer, cost per die = 9000 / 115 = $78.3
Granted this is the cost straight from the fab without accounting for R&D, packaging, AMDs cut etc, lets add $50 and round it up to $130 per APU.
Also worth pointing out consoles manufacturers will place orders north of 100k wafers for the first year alone, so better better pricing per wafer
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xGreir
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Imtjnotu
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SonGoku
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StreetsofBeige
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Haha. That's all care about too. All the tech spec talk is way over my head.
Give me TF. Or give me polygons per second!
Imtjnotu
Member
I just want TF and bandwidth
xool
Member
Funny how on ree they are pushing the narrative that 1700x performance is somehow good news
Interesting post on by3d
I used his estimates to calculate the costs of a ~390mm2 die
[..]
$9000/wafer, cost per die = 9000 / 115 = $78.3
Granted this is the cost straight from the fab without accounting for R&D, packaging, AMDs cut etc, lets add $50 and round it up to $130 per APU.
Also worth pointing out consoles manufacturers will place orders north of 100k wafers for the first year alone, so better better pricing per wafer
This looks good. I tried before based on 75% yield for 128mm2 and a $10,000 wafer cost. That gives a hell on earth yield for 400mm2 of 43% (yours works out at ~79%), and a cost of $165 per die after correcting for partial dies ..
Design costs have been estimated ~$300million (or $3 if you sell 100million..) I'd expect packaging to be sub $10, though there are additional costs like shipping etc all minimal. 100% mark up on production cost in normal, though Sony should be able to get way less.
Was defect density a guess, or are there up to date figures ?
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Thedtrain
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I’m looking for a time to triangle Cerny talk. All I want for my birthday.
In their defense, 1700X is now much better CPU then at release, compared to competiton.Funny how on ree they are pushing the narrative that 1700x performance is somehow good news
9TF max on 512-576GB/s of BW.
SonGoku
Member
I just went with by3d poster config, im guessing is the min size for detecting defects?
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sonomamashine
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a glimpse of EARLY next gen games, totally forgot about this (11 months old)
sonomamashine
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Raploz
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At 18:52
PS5 with dedicated ray-tracing chip/chiplet? I'm surely daydreaming, but here's my crazy theory: if that rumor turns out to be true then maybe Microsoft and Sony won't focus on rasterization performance that much and instead they will spend their budget on raytracing. That would explain Gozalo being only equivalent to a 5700/XT. Imagine having a big dedicated chip for fullscene raytracing. With consoles being designed to last about 7 years, focusing on RT kinda makes sense. I bet many games in some years will switch from using rasterization/Hybrid RT.
Another point brought up in the video is that raytracing requires a lot of memory. Maybe next-gen consoles will have a lot of memory after all (or maybe that's why they'll probably be using the SSD as virtual RAM).
What do you guys think?
SonGoku
Member
Makes no sense from a performance or economic perspective
Its a shitty theory, sorry to be so blunt but it has no merit
xool
Member
jonnyp
Member
No.
sonomamashine
Member
Insane Metal
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There you go bois. Your 13TF machine with dedicated RT chiplet.
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?????
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?????
TLZ
Banned
For 900 euros? Pshhh 26tf.
ANIMAL1975
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SpinningBirdKick
Banned
Meh. It's just a placeholder.
I'll do my own product descriptions:
PS5
14.2 TF
Hardware RT
7nm EUV
2TB super fast SSD
24GB GDDR6
Only 499399!
If that doesn't interest you, we have another system:
Scarlett
llien
Member
How come chiplets are advantage, when it's about CPUs, but suddenly not the right thing, when it is about APUs?
Pros:
1) yields
2) heat spread
3) flexibility (piecemeal upgradable etc)
Cons:
1) harder to package, perhaps?
2) linked via Infinity Fabric, instead directly... (but what does CPU have to share with GPU anyhow? Do they have shared cache in APUs?)
RT cores might simply be to small to warrant a separate die.
Yes, something FORCED, when we hit 4Gb wall and were left with only ugly memory addressing solutions.But we're talking about x86-64, which is 16 years old.
AMD64 (Intel, of course, had to give it a different name, but that's what it is, is mostly "how could I slightly change things, to support 64 bits"..
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