That's the most COST EFFECTIVE way to do it.
But Sony won't be using xCloud. They're using Azure data servers.
Sony doesn't have the infrastructure or the resources to provide for it's own streaming service.
why do you need steamNice post. Spencer sold Nadella a bill of goods.
Once you go to an open system or someone else's system, no real incentive for third parties to use you (MS) as a middleman... why do third parties need MS as a middleman when the other platforms already serve that function? (its all very strange)
Sony doesn't have the infrastructure or the resources to provide for it's own streaming service
If you are referring to third party developers and publishers, that is where the customers are. My particular comments were actually as to Playstation consoles, they already have digital distribution, game rental and game streaming - why would devs/pubs go thru a third party (Microsoft) to gain access to PS consoles when they can go directly to Sony and PS consoles themselves? That just doesn't make too much sense to me and sounds terrible inefficient.why do you need steam
And you assume game streaming would cost very little... Because you don't realize borrowing processing power costs money.Microsoft will always sell hardware in the future, it will just be cloud based, similar to Amazon fire stick, Stadia etc.
£75 for a plug and play box that allows you to access all of your gamepass games.
It would like sell like hotcakes.
And you assume game streaming would cost very little... Because you don't realize borrowing processing power costs money.
This isn't like Youtube or Netflix. Those are just streaming files. Or doing it backwards, which makes the likes of Google Drive or Cloud Save.
Game Streaming is about processing, about renting CPUs and GPUs by the hour. And renting hardware like that already exists; but they are all also expensive.
The day you realize what the difference means to the costs, is the day you realize what you are saying doesn't make sense.
Streaming games and remote processing is NOT cheap.
Well my issue is the claim that Gamepass would survive without an Xbox. A large chunk of Gamepass value lies in its third party offerings, but that assumed the Xbox console still existed.MS stepping down as a console-manufactorer and going 3rd party has been inevitable.
They're just going about it this way PR-wise to save face.
Ahaha no wayMS stepping down as a console-manufactorer and going 3rd party has been inevitable.
They're just going about it this way PR-wise to save face.
D DanielsM Wow, you are really, really downplaying Sony's pursuit of a partnership with Microsoft. You mock Mass Shift , yet the very slide reel and Q&A you post to rebut him destroys your position.
MS stepping down as a console-manufactorer and going 3rd party has been inevitable.
They're just going about it this way PR-wise to save face.
Sony wouldn't outright refuse; Sony would just demand 30% share of the profits as industry standard, which means MS has to actually lose their own share, or lose their third party games on Gamepass.I bet they would, why would Sony though? Having Xbox exclusive Games coming to Playstation would be a nice get, but having MS cannibalizing their third party software sales doesn't make much sense for them, and also the fact that it would be directly competing with their own PS Now.
The issue is in the long run, the matter could be out of MS's hands. They need a certain amount of install base to sustain a console, but this diversion into Gamepass and even multiplatform would hurt that.Xbox hardware isn't going anywhere.
Obviously, they're safely stored on store shelves.Don't waste your breath honestly, he's been sprouting this shit for eons.. This end date theoretic of Microsoft gaming & hardware keeps getting pushed back 2024 now, I await 2022 when it's 2028 instead.
Xbox hardware isn't going anywhere.
Where? I see only second party titles on switch (cuphead,ori)Obviously, they're safely stored on store shelves.
Next-gen is make it or break it.
MS is already shifting towards other platforms. It's happening right in front of you.
MS is talking more and more about bringing their games/services to competitive platforms.Where? I see only second party titles on switch (cuphead,ori)
Minecraft was already on PlayStation when ms bought It
These are Xbox games studios First party devs
Canada
Sweden
- Compulsion Games
- The Coalition — Gears of War series
United Kingdom
United States
- Ninja Theory — Kung Fu Chaos, Bleeding Edge
- Playground Games — Forza Horizon series
- Rare — Battletoads series, Killer Instinct series, Banjo-Kazooie series, Conker series, Perfect Dark series, Grabbed by the Ghoulies, Kameo: Elements of Power, Viva Piñata series, Rare Replay, Sea of Thieves
- 343 Industries — Halo series
- Double Fine
- Internal Age of Empires studio
- inXile Entertainment
- Microsoft Casual Games — Solitaire, Mahjong, Minesweeper, Wordament
- Obsidian Entertainment
- The Initiative
- Turn 10 Studios — Forza Motorsport series
- Undead Labs — State of Decay series
And again where you see thatMS is talking more and more about bringing their games/services to competitive platforms.
They're already preparing to change direction (and it the same time they're setting up everything to finally push their original XBO plans, only as a streaming service).
People can quote me on this, but if Sony pulls another PS4 next-gen, xbox consoles will be no more.
Guess we'll see next-gen. Won't take much longer anyway.And again where you see that
In the article of the OP it's cleary that ms don't have Plan for that...he Simply answered to the journalist question
we asked head of gaming services Ben Decker about what the future would hold for the service in an ideal world, to which he said:
Yes maybe in the 2030 but what about if in the next gen ms earn Money
I Imagine our sons and daughters in the next 50 years when someone Say : yes my father said that One day ms don't sell hardware anymore
Even Sony can close PlayStation in the next 50 years Who know that?
I wish Sony had a game pass, the PS Plus has no value anymore, especially with the Epic Store giving free games every week.
Where I think there may be some overlap in their needs for cloud gaming infrastructure would be the AMD chips in the future generation of cloud gaming devices. However, I also think that Sony would have more volume than in its provider in that case, so it would make no sense to pay the other company to do this for you, unless they can't find the expertise by themselves..Since PS Now has been operational for 5 years and Gaikai since about 2010, not sure what you mean by "doesn't have the infrastructure", if they want it to be more cost effective or additional technology maybe... meaning they don't want to be involved in building out server farms. I actually look at basic cloud services as more of a commodity play, who cares where the iron ore, coal or natural gas comes from.
If I can spin up a Linux box in Azure or spin one up in AWS, what's the real difference... usually just costs.
The biggest issues I see with cloud gaming are:
- No customer or demand (for obvious reasons)
- seems like their is an inability or difficulty to virtual the console hardware (at least my understanding)... beyond my pay grade as far as this.
If Sony can VM the console than it makes moving to a more traditional cloud services structure make more sense.
The Xboxes even in xCloud are just custom rack mounted Xboxes... all of this is terrible way of doing things for both Sony and Microsoft. Of course, we're all pretending like there is actually demand for game streaming but the reality is... there isn't any real demand.
The statements coming out of MS management are always vague, I think this is on purpose as it let people imagine the rest in whatever direction they want, then when they are disappointed they get to say they did not lie (which they don't do directly). This is taken straight out of the book The Prince from MachiavelliI think he wanted to word things in a more positive light, but he doesn't say that at all.... you are saying that. They either have a contract/s or they don't. I would suggest you read slower and watch Sony's presentation and interview after IRD, they clearly say they have "no contracts" and "no partnership".... all they have is a mutual understanding to possibly work on some tech and maybe for a partnership.
“…he who seeks to deceive will always find someone who will allow himself to be deceived.”
― Machiavelli Niccolo, The Prince
Not with streaming.PS Now?
Not with streaming.
MS and Sony console should just be cross compatible at this point. The X1 and PS4 were basically the same hardware this gen and they will probably be even similar next gen.
MS and Sony console should just be cross compatible at this point. The X1 and PS4 were basically the same hardware this gen and they will probably be even similar next gen.
Not with streaming.
MS is currently more open to this than sony, so great. I dont play on pc and dont see buying an xbox again. I'd get gamepass, but it would probably be a streaming only service if it ever did come to a playstation.
Really you base this theory with Minecraft dungeon?
Minecraft have too much fans with billions of Active players to be exclusive
I still don't like the idea of EA having a monthly fee program on PS4. Please let's not allow Microsoft, Ubisoft, SquareEnix, etc all have their own. Because you have to see where it will eventually lead.
We will be spending a lot more money for the games we want, while getting dozens of games we have zero interest in at a "great value".
Someone who makes three times my annual income and I should just pool our money equally.
D DanielsM
That was a DIRECT quote from Nadella. The interviewer asked him and he clearly categorized the arrangement between MS and Sony as a partnership and that Azure server networks would be used by Sony.
There's really no other way to put it. Sony didn't approach Google or Amazon either. They aren't exploring any possibilities with any other Cloud service provider.
If you still find that not believable or perhaps unacceptable, I would say that the wait for further clarity won't be much longer. Sony will have to start transitioning the back-end of their game development to Azure networks for testing well in advance of the PS5's launch. If they haven't started already.
*Ps2 games are downloadable only if there is a ps4 version released on the PlayStation store.You only have to stream PS3 games. PS2 and PS4 games are downloadable.
I’ve been involved in these sort of projects for way more complex apps than anything Sony are doing and they won’t lock themselves into anything proprietary.
2 days ago they said no more MS exclusives on other platforms