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[Rhysser]

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I do not have this power. And crazy murderers are still murderers, pretty sure they stay locked up.

It's probably not an issue if you're the only one who does it, but if a lot of people believe it, it can easily change things so that they don't get locked up. It really does take away the responsibility.

 

[Rhysser]

Just to make sure this doesn't get lost, this is what the dev is saying:

"But then, when we started to talk about Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus, we started to get comment online about the theme of the game, fighting the Nazis. Somehow some people felt that was problematic, which is just incredibly disappointing. We've seen an increase of right-wing extremism in the Western world. We see that online to a great degree. Right-wing extremists are great at affecting the debate online. And of course, maybe they abused us to whip up some anger when we were making Wolfenstein II."

Notice the comments are about fighting / killing Nazis, NOT about comparing republicans to Nazis. Not that they aren't doing that as well, but that's not what the dev mentions when he talks about the comments. Specifically, complaints about fighting Nazis by far right groups, not complaints about republicans being compared to Nazis by mainstream republicans (though I do suspect they also got complaints about this).

It's possible to be against one thing and for another thing in this case. Complaining about fighting Nazis? Bad and illegitimate complaint by probably terrible people. Complaining about comparing republicans to Nazis? A totally different, totally legitimate complaint. Let's not conflate the two.

 

[oagboghi2]

Have you considered trying to be less triggered? I highly recommend it.

have you considered making arguments that aren't silly on it's face?

We have 3 pages of people telling you why they are upset with machine games. Learn to read what is actually there

 

[Rhysser]

[snips the barking] people telling you why they are upset with machine games. [snips of more barking]

And I acknowledge those complaints as legitimate. It turns out it's possible to talk about two related things in a thread. I don't want to wipe the illegitimate complaints under the rug, since I think it's important to the discussion to both know that they are happening, and to condemn them for what they are. And these latter anti-Nazi-fighting complaints are the ones mentioned in the OP and by the devs themselves. Then there was an attempt to re-paint that as something else more legitimate.

Instead, we should just face it. It's 2019, and far-right groups are complaining about killing Nazis in a video game. We're headed in a bad direction.

 

[joe_zazen]

It's probably not an issue if you're the only one who does it, but if a lot of people believe it, it can easily change things so that they don't get locked up. It really does take away the responsibility.

Nobody wants murderers running around, not even people who look for answers in malfunctioning brains.

And as far as responsibility goes, how does questioning his mental health absolve him from what he did? That conglomeration of cells with that dna sequence killed those people. It is like with hitler (since this is a nazi related thread): Does the fact that his father beat him regularly, beat and raped his mom in front of him, and that children exposed to that are going to be dangerous, mean he was not responsible? Is trying to understand the source of pathologic behaviour morally wrong because, for some reason, understanding that repeated and prolonged child abuse damages brains in people who later go on to kill?

With the New Zealand, i am sure if you look at him there will be mental health issues there, so why not say so?

& why does even raising these questions get me labeled as somekind of sympathizer of killers? You can still hate and execute a mentally ill person as much as a cold calculating psychopath, cant you?

 

[Kamfair55]

People labeling everything sjw that has something to say is basically admitting your for whatever they're against. I could care less how nazis and their sympathizers feel and yes there are more of them today wanting to be hateful and screaming "oppression" when others dont like it. These flimsy YouTube arguments that being against racism and hate is policing thought is ridiculously stupid. Lets be 100% honest in America's current version of racist fascist culture a certain group of people had a personal issue with seeing nazis get fucked up in video game form (by women no less) they see themselves as those characters and are offended, any criticisms about the game legit or otherwise are co opted and used as a rallying cry to deflect from the real issue without painting "im a racist nazi sympathizer shit bag" on their forehead

 

[Rhysser]

Nobody wants murderers running around, not even people who look for answers in malfunctioning brains.

And as far as responsibility goes, how does questioning his mental health absolve him from what he did? That conglomeration of cells with that dna sequence killed those people. It is like with hitler (since this is a nazi related thread): Does the fact that his father beat him regularly, beat and raped his mom in front of him, and that children exposed to that are going to be dangerous, mean he is was not responsible? Is trying to understand the source of pathologic behaviour morally wrong because, for some reason, understanding that repeated and prolonged child abuse damages brains in people who later go on to kill?

With the New Zealand, i am sure if you look at him there will be mental health issues there, so why not say so?

& why does even raising these questions get me labeled as somekind of sympathizer of killers? You can still hate and execute a mentally ill person as much as a cold calculating psychopath, cant you?

I don't think it's about actually beinga killer sympathizer - though I'm sure the lashing out might take the form of such extreme comments. It's just a response to the fact that certain people who do these things are labeled "terrorist", which in society has a worse connotation, and others who do the exact same things are labeled as "mentally ill", which has a far less negative connotation and even gives the perpetrator a sense of being a victim.

You might not like it and you might not even believe it, but in society it is perceived that a terrorist who kills a bunch of people is worse than a mentally ill person who kills a bunch of people, because the former implies full control and exercised malicious intent and the latter implies a lack of understanding, control, or both. For example, legitimately mentally ill people should and do get different, more lenient punishments and outcomes for crimes they commit, depending on the nature of their illness, than people who are not mentally ill. So yes, it defacto partially absovles the person.

 

[joe_zazen]

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I don't think it's about actually beinga killer sympathizer - though I'm sure the lashing out might take the form of such extreme comments. It's just a response to the fact that certain people who do these things are labeled "terrorist", which in society has a worse connotation, and others who do the exact same things are labeled as "mentally ill", which has a far less negative connotation and even gives the perpetrator a sense of being a victim.

You might not like it and you might not even believe it, but in society it is perceived that a terrorist who kills a bunch of people is worse than a mentally ill person who kills a bunch of people, because the former implies full control and exercised malicious intent and the latter implies a lack of understanding, control, or both. For example, legitimately mentally ill people can and do get different, more lenient punishments and outcomes for crimes they commit, depending on the nature of their illness, than people who are not mentally ill. So yes, it defacto partially absovles the person.

I am a believer in law not being about punishment, but about making society safe and secondly rehabilitation (where possible) in a dispassionate and logical manner. so it is probably a fundamental disagreement that we have. Because yeah, if you want to punish someone, it isn't very satisfying if you cannot ascribe clear cut blame. I think i get it now, cheers mate.

 

[MagnesG]

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I am a believer in law not being about punishment, but about making society safe and secondly rehabilitation (where possible) in a dispassionate and logical manner. so it is probably a fundamental disagreement that we have. Because yeah, if you want to punish someone, it isn't very satisfying if you cannot ascribe clear cut blame. I think i get it now, cheers mate.

Just want to add that “sometimes” in general it is good to set an example of harsh punishment when brutal crimes are committed or maybe stricter regulations being applied when it happens . Surely that can create a safer medium while also maintaining the overall serenity of people.

Yes, we should care mental health of said criminals but we have to consider others too, because likely, they too are affected.

 

[renzolama]

Nobody thinks killing nazis is controversial, your game is just bad and you failed to leverage left leaning propaganda effectively

 

[Fnord]

"we wanted to tell great, interesting stories to the best of our abilities.”

Well you failed.

You don't know that. Maybe this was the best they could do, given their abilities.

 

[Thenzor]

Being called a ''nazi'' in these days is as easy as unlocking one of those achievements just for starting the campaign.

 

[Mahadev]

Just to make sure this doesn't get lost, this is what the dev is saying:



Notice the comments are about fighting / killing Nazis, NOT about comparing republicans to Nazis. Not that they aren't doing that as well, but that's not what the dev mentions when he talks about the comments. Specifically, complaints about fighting Nazis by far right groups, not complaints about republicans being compared to Nazis by mainstream republicans (though I do suspect they also got complaints about this).

It's possible to be against one thing and for another thing in this case. Complaining about fighting Nazis? Bad and illegitimate complaint by probably terrible people. Complaining about comparing republicans to Nazis? A totally different, totally legitimate complaint. Let's not conflate the two.

Dude, seriously, is your cognitive dissonance that advanced? Read the two issues you mentioned together, can you seriously not see what's happening? When you call republicans nazis and then boast about killing nazis how do you think some of the people who were called nazis are going to react and who's fault is it they react this way? How the hell can't you put 2 and 2 together?

 

[HaveButOneLife]

What does that even mean?

Figure it out.

 

[Kamfair55]

Dude, seriously, is your cognitive dissonance that advanced? Read the two issues you mentioned together, can you seriously not see what's happening? When you call republicans nazis and then boast about killing nazis how do you think some of the people who were called nazis are going to react and who's fault is it they react this way? How the hell can't you put 2 and 2 together?

Maybe if you idk stop being a racist nazi people wouldn't call you one? My thing is if you're going to be hateful and racist why are you so sensitive when you're identified on who and what you are? Nobody is lobbing terms like racist or nazi for no reason Republicans have earned that reputation and embrace it they just dont like being called out. Another pet peeves of mine is people latch onto political figures like fuckin football teams and feel upset and outraged for them its crazy how people worship politics and political figures.

 

[Katsura]

Just to make sure this doesn't get lost, this is what the dev is saying:



Notice the comments are about fighting / killing Nazis, NOT about comparing republicans to Nazis. Not that they aren't doing that as well, but that's not what the dev mentions when he talks about the comments. Specifically, complaints about fighting Nazis by far right groups, not complaints about republicans being compared to Nazis by mainstream republicans (though I do suspect they also got complaints about this).

It's possible to be against one thing and for another thing in this case. Complaining about fighting Nazis? Bad and illegitimate complaint by probably terrible people. Complaining about comparing republicans to Nazis? A totally different, totally legitimate complaint. Let's not conflate the two.

I'd like to see those comments. Somehow i doubt they exist except maybe a couple made by sockpuppets of the devs. I followed the drama around this game at the time and i can't recall seeing a single comment complaining about fighting nazis

 

[Mahadev]

Maybe if you idk stop being a racist nazi people wouldn't call you one? My thing is if you're going to be hateful and racist why are you so sensitive when you're identified on who and what you are? Nobody is lobbing terms like racist or nazi for no reason Republicans have earned that reputation and embrace it they just dont like being called out. Another pet peeves of mine is people latch onto political figures like fuckin football teams and feel upset and outraged for them its crazy how people worship politics and political figures.

First of all I hope that's a general you because I'm probably the furthest from conservative you can find in this forum but I'm also smart enough to understand how counter-productive and poisonous to society this moronic idpol ideology is which btw has very little to do with the actual left. The fact that corporate media not only endorse but also heavily promote intersectionality and its political abominations should make any real leftist suspicious enough about the way that it's used and how useful of a tool it is to the ruling class.

Second, even if they're racists, which is such a dumb generalization and assumption, it still doesn't mean they're nazis. Learn what nazism stand for and how disgusting it is before basically trying to downplay it by equating it with simple racism. Someone saying for example that he doesn't want illegal immigrants in their country isn't racism, it's a political opinion, and even if it was the former it still doesn't make them a fucking nazi.

So to summarize your conclusion is based on an uneducated and dangerous definition of the term nazi on top of an assumption. Congrats, you're probably more politically uneducated than the people you make fun of.

 

[Kamfair55]

First of all I hope that's a general you because I'm probably the furthest from conservative you can find in this forum but I'm also smart enough to understand how counter-productive and poisonous to society this moronic idpol ideology is which btw has very little to do with the actual left. The fact that corporate media not only endorse but also heavily promote intersectionality and its political abominations should make any real leftist suspicious enough about the way that it's used and how useful of a tool it is to the ruling class.

Second, even if they're racists, which is such a dumb generalization and assumption, it still doesn't mean they're nazis. Learn what nazism stand for and how disgusting it is before basically trying to downplay it by equating it with simple racism. Someone saying for example that he doesn't want illegal immigrants in their country isn't racism, it's a political opinion, and even if it was the former it still doesn't make them a fucking nazi.

So to summarize your conclusion is based on an uneducated and dangerous definition of the term nazi on top of an assumption. Congrats, you're probably more politically uneducated than the people you make fun of.

You said a whole lot of nothing we're not talking about what the media portrays we're talking about racist nazi sympathizers these people are white supremacists in suits them not wanting BROWN AND BLACK immigrants in this country isn't a political position its a position rooted in racist beliefs. As a black man who is AWARE of history the SAME fear mongering talking points used against black people is being used against immigrants, taking jobs, they're criminals looking to rape and raise crime, they're just different in general all of that is used to scare white people in this country that's the bottom line. You should be called out on that because thats the strawman argument used to facilitate your hateful actions not to mention the reason most are coming here is because of our destabilizing of governments in south America (contras and such) now they have the nerve to act like its a crime to run from the outcome our government wanted? You may not think you're racist but anyone who doesn't see anything wrong with locking people in cages abusing them etc just because they're seeking asylum is making excuses for their racist feelings

 

[off duty ninja]

You said a whole lot of nothing we're not talking about what the media portrays we're talking about racist nazi sympathizers these people are white supremacists in suits them not wanting BROWN AND BLACK immigrants in this country isn't a political position its a position rooted in racist beliefs. As a black man who is AWARE of history the SAME fear mongering talking points used against black people is being used against immigrants, taking jobs, they're criminals looking to rape and raise crime, they're just different in general all of that is used to scare white people in this country that's the bottom line. You should be called out on that because thats the strawman argument used to facilitate your hateful actions not to mention the reason most are coming here is because of our destabilizing of governments in south America (contras and such) now they have the nerve to act like its a crime to run from the outcome our government wanted? You may not think you're racist but anyone who doesn't see anything wrong with locking people in cages abusing them etc just because they're seeking asylum is making excuses for their racist feelings

 

[Katsura]

Imagine using the phrase 'racist nazi' while believing you know anything about current events

 

[Kenpachii]

Don't release it in america problem solved.

 

[Kamfair55]

Imagine using the phrase 'racist nazi' while believing you know anything about current events

Do you? I mean do you go outside and get a feel for who is impacted and how? Or do you just make your judgements off of forums?

 

[Kamfair55]

What is this supposed to be?

 

[Mahadev]

You said a whole lot of nothing we're not talking about what the media portrays we're talking about racist nazi sympathizers these people are white supremacists in suits them not wanting BROWN AND BLACK immigrants in this country isn't a political position its a position rooted in racist beliefs. As a black man who is AWARE of history the SAME fear mongering talking points used against black people is being used against immigrants, taking jobs, they're criminals looking to rape and raise crime, they're just different in general all of that is used to scare white people in this country that's the bottom line. You should be called out on that because thats the strawman argument used to facilitate your hateful actions not to mention the reason most are coming here is because of our destabilizing of governments in south America (contras and such) now they have the nerve to act like its a crime to run from the outcome our government wanted? You may not think you're racist but anyone who doesn't see anything wrong with locking people in cages abusing them etc just because they're seeking asylum is making excuses for their racist feelings

This word salad didn't address a single one of my points, instead you doubled down on your generalizations.

I will agree with you though that the American government wreaks havoc all over the world and is partly responsible for these immigration waves but that has little to do with the working class that votes for Trump and everything to do with the ruling class that has been pushing for war regardless of whether the government is conservative or not. In fact on of the biggest immigration waves in the world happened because Obama and that other neoliberal psychopath, Hillary Clinton, obliterated Libya and destroyed Syria.

 

[Katsura]

Do you? I mean do you go outside and get a feel for who is impacted and how? Or do you just make your judgements off of forums?

I'm sure you've been all over the country to gauge the impact

 

[Kamfair55]

I'm sure you've been all over the country to gauge the impact

Ive volunteered at the santa Maria in my city they provide a multitude of services a lot of Mexicans, Guatemalans etc came to get directed to jobs etc they just wanted to work and feed their families like most people i grew up in the "hood" i try to bring attention to certain issues we face i live around immigrants i actually speak to them I've met a variety of people from all over because i get outside and speak I grew up and lived in places some white people tend to criticize from a distance with no insight or experience. I grew up going to public school being labeled "gifted" and having a problem with the casual dismissal of young students with issues at home or just life in general being dropped into the streets with no care to die or go to jail you have no idea wtf you're talking about save the trolling and get outside to know and feel whats going on

 

[dolabla]

I don't know why these devs just don't make their game the way they want to. Stop worrying what these miserable shitbags think.

 

[Katsura]

Ive volunteered at the santa Maria in my city they provide a multitude of services a lot of Mexicans, Guatemalans etc came to get directed to jobs etc they just wanted to work and feed their families like most people i grew up in the "hood" i try to bring attention to certain issues we face i live around immigrants i actually speak to them I've met a variety of people from all over because i get outside and speak I grew up and lived in places some white people tend to criticize from a distance with no insight or experience. I grew up going to public school being labeled "gifted" and having a problem with the casual dismissal of young students with issues at home or just life in general being dropped into the streets with no care to die or go to jail you have no idea wtf you're talking about save the trolling and get outside to know and feel whats going on

Yea, i'm sure working at that one place gave you a well rounded view of what's going on...
Free advice though - If you're trying to raise awareness and sympathy, perhaps labelling half the country 'racist nazis' is counterproductive

 

[GermanZepp]

Sorry i just want to share this

 

[Kamfair55]

This word salad didn't address a single one of my points, instead you doubled down on your generalizations.

I will agree with you though that the American government wreaks havoc all over the world and is partly responsible for these immigration waves but that has little to do with the working class that votes for Trump and everything to do with the ruling class that has been pushing for war regardless of whether the government is conservative or not. In fact on of the biggest immigration waves in the world happened because Obama and that other neoliberal psychopath, Hillary Clinton, obliterated Libya and destroyed Syria.

The working class is the same working class that felt black people shouldn't be allowed to vote and lynched them for it the same working class who spit on black children wanting to go to school with their children the same working class that killed black co-workers who got raises or promotions at work. You side with hate because you're hateful you're right that media, school etc brainwash us all and what we get in some white people is what they want but i believe in god and the Bible and im not afraid to say i do and no man or woman will ever make me hate another person or make me support the mistreatment or death of another human.

 

[off duty ninja]

Ive volunteered at the santa Maria in my city they provide a multitude of services a lot of Mexicans, Guatemalans etc came to get directed to jobs etc they just wanted to work and feed their families like most people i grew up in the "hood" i try to bring attention to certain issues we face i live around immigrants i actually speak to them I've met a variety of people from all over because i get outside and speak I grew up and lived in places some white people tend to criticize from a distance with no insight or experience. I grew up going to public school being labeled "gifted" and having a problem with the casual dismissal of young students with issues at home or just life in general being dropped into the streets with no care to die or go to jail you have no idea wtf you're talking about save the trolling and get outside to know and feel whats going on

So when does your immense experience with Nazi's come into play?

The working class is the same working class that felt black people shouldn't be allowed to vote and lynched them for it the same working class who spit on black children wanting to go to school with their children the same working class that killed black co-workers who got raises or promotions at work. You side with hate because you're hateful you're right that media, school etc brainwash us all and what we get in some white people is what they want but i believe in god and the Bible and im not afraid to say i do and no man or woman will ever make me hate another person or make me support the mistreatment or death of another human.

It sure sounds like you hate this fictional group of people you're describing. So the white working class is just racist? Could they be committing...GENOCIDE?!

 

[Kamfair55]

Yea, i'm sure working at that one place gave you a well rounded view of what's going on...
Free advice though - If you're trying to raise awareness and sympathy, perhaps labelling half the country 'racist nazis' is counterproductive

No, knowing my community and understanding where and how the system is failing and how racism is and always has been used to deflect from that. I live in ohio CINCINNATI ohio as conservative republican as you can get and its racist its always been racist and the excuses for racism is used on my people and others its the same. Like i said before if you're not active in your community you can't speak on anything common sense tells you the shit its wrong dont let social media and forums paint your world view this is coming from someone who doesn't mind discussing politics with strangers most white people I've met will tell you their families are split apart because of the political climate. People are facing real issues and the history of this country shows whenever that happens its time to blame it on the blacks and browns scaring and riling up white people with the same tired rhetoric

 

[Kamfair55]

So when does your immense experience with Nazi's come into play?



It sure sounds like you hate this fictional group of people you're describing. So the white working class is just racist? Could they be committing...GENOCIDE?!

No, im highlighting the fact it takes seemingly regular people to enforce the hatred of those in power members of the KKK dont just chill in robes all day they have normal everyday jobs like the rest of us. Its not politicians shooting up random places or driving cars into crowds of people its regular working class white people emboldened and fear mongeard into doing this acts based off the racist propaganda. Its always been this way "mlk is a communist" being plastered by our government invoked fear amongst white people during a time of the communist scare imagine the hate and anger that created amongst regular working class white people and them seeing anybody who agreed with mlk as such. George Bush Sr. Having our government orchestrate a drug deal just to use a black kid as the scary criminal selling crack (but not putting any cia operatives who were selling the cocaine to rick ross) time and time again our country uses black and brown people as the boogeyman scaring white people who've isolated themselves from us so all they know is what they're told THESE are regular folks who are scared into or outright believe the hate

 

[Katsura]

No, knowing my community and understanding where and how the system is failing and how racism is and always has been used to deflect from that. I live in ohio CINCINNATI ohio as conservative republican as you can get and its racist its always been racist and the excuses for racism is used on my people and others its the same. Like i said before if you're not active in your community you can't speak on anything common sense tells you the shit its wrong dont let social media and forums paint your world view this is coming from someone who doesn't mind discussing politics with strangers most white people I've met will tell you their families are split apart because of the political climate. People are facing real issues and the history of this country shows whenever that happens its time to blame it on the blacks and browns scaring and riling up white people with the same tired rhetoric

But all i hear from mainstream media since Trump won, is how white supremacy is on the rise. How is that riling up white people exactly? Seems to me, it's the exact opposite and you come off as somewhat racist yourself. Are you sure you're not getting riled up by the media lies?

 

[off duty ninja]

No, im highlighting the fact it takes seemingly regular people to enforce the hatred of those in power members of the KKK dont just chill in robes all day they have normal everyday jobs like the rest of us. Its not politicians shooting up random places or driving cars into crowds of people its regular working class white people emboldened and fear mongeard into doing this acts based off the racist propaganda. Its always been this way "mlk is a communist" being plastered by our government invoked fear amongst white people during a time of the communist scare imagine the hate and anger that created amongst regular working class white people and them seeing anybody who agreed with mlk as such. George Bush Sr. Having our government orchestrate a drug deal just to use a black kid as the scary criminal selling crack (but not putting any cia operatives who were selling the cocaine to rick ross) time and time again our country uses black and brown people as the boogeyman scaring white people who've isolated themselves from us so all they know is what they're told THESE are regular folks who are scared into or outright believe the hate

It seems that you are being sincere in your replies here so I'm sorry for being snarky. I agree that some of what you are describing has happened but it is mixed with crazy amounts of hyperbole and fiction. There is definitely a lot of propaganda out there and it seems to me that you've bought in to quite a bit of it too. Just as you describe the propaganda that steers whites toward the KKK and white supremacy there is similar propaganda fed to the black and brown communities to make them angry with the whites simply to keep everybody fighting. It has nothing to do with White Supremacy and everything to do with money, power and control.

 

[joe_zazen]

This word salad didn't address a single one of my points, instead you doubled down on your generalizations.

I will agree with you though that the American government wreaks havoc all over the world and is partly responsible for these immigration waves but that has little to do with the working class that votes for Trump and everything to do with the ruling class that has been pushing for war regardless of whether the government is conservative or not. In fact on of the biggest immigration waves in the world happened because Obama and that other neoliberal psychopath, Hillary Clinton, obliterated Libya and destroyed Syria.

So rare to see someone who i agree with,

 

[Kamfair55]

But all i hear from mainstream media since Trump won, is how white supremacy is on the rise. How is that riling up white people exactly? Seems to me, it's the exact opposite and you come off as somewhat racist yourself. Are you sure you're not getting riled up by the media lies?

Pointing out racism doesn't make you racist some white people are being riled up by what i just said fear and hatred its never went away white domestic terrorism has always existed in this country from blowing up black children in Alabama to blowing up buildings in Oklahoma to the most recent string of shootings all of these people believe that somebody is trying to take "their" country from them be it black people who want to vote and be treated fairly or by Mexicans who want to steal their jobs away. Our school system facilitates it, some religious institutions facilitates it our media does, our politicians definitely do and in this day and age social media platforms

 

[Katsura]

Pointing out racism doesn't make you racist some white people are being riled up by what i just said fear and hatred its never went away white domestic terrorism has always existed in this country from blowing up black children in Alabama to blowing up buildings in Oklahoma to the most recent string of shootings all of these people believe that somebody is trying to take "their" country from them be it black people who want to vote and be treated fairly or by Mexicans who want to steal their jobs away. Our school system facilitates it, some religious institutions facilitates it our media does, our politicians definitely do and in this day and age social media platforms

So far you've blamed all the problems in your community on white people. That's pretty racist. Are you sure you're not a nazi too?

On a serious note, not that i feel very inclined to engage honestly with you given your 'racist nazi' nonsense, if you genuinely think this is about race, you're being played like a fiddle. It's about classes. It's about the elite wanting to maintain power and wealth at the expense of everyone else. That's why they're trying to pit us against each other and you're buying it, hook, line and sinker

 

[Shodan09]

I didnt buy the new game because the last game was shit. I imagine many others are in the same position. I regularly kill nazis in my old medal of honour and wolfenstein games. Those games were fun. Those games did not push an agenda. I'll kill nazis in the new games if they can concentrate on improving encounter design instead of writing obnoxious characters.

 

[Kamfair55]

It seems that you are being sincere in your replies here so I'm sorry for being snarky. I agree that some of what you are describing has happened but it is mixed with crazy amounts of hyperbole and fiction. There is definitely a lot of propaganda out there and it seems to me that you've bought in to quite a bit of it too. Just as you describe the propaganda that steers whites toward the KKK and white supremacy there is similar propaganda fed to the black and brown communities to make them angry with the whites simply to keep everybody fighting. It has nothing to do with White Supremacy and everything to do with money, power and control.

Its not propaganda when you're called a super predator or a police officer decides to become executioner or your jury is filled your "peers" only that they're all white and were brought in from the rich side of town it's not propaganda when schools in your neighborhood is understaffed and underfunded or your neighborhood was allowed to fall apart so it can later be gentrified. Its not propaganda when it was the governments job to destroy any positive black organizations. When you look back at old interviews the same excuses are made we're making it up or letting the media influence us etc sometimes as someone who doesn't have that experience just be quiet and listen if im saying my brand new Chevy's breaks don't work dont counter me with "chevy makes great vehicles you're just making it up" just listen and look for yourself

 

[Mahadev]

The working class is the same working class that felt black people shouldn't be allowed to vote and lynched them for it the same working class who spit on black children wanting to go to school with their children the same working class that killed black co-workers who got raises or promotions at work. You side with hate because you're hateful you're right that media, school etc brainwash us all and what we get in some white people is what they want but i believe in god and the Bible and im not afraid to say i do and no man or woman will ever make me hate another person or make me support the mistreatment or death of another human.

Do you even know what the term working class means? The vast majority of blacks are part of the working class. Are you trying to replace the word white with "working class" or something.

This discussion is such a hilarious clusterfuck, I don't even know how to respond to this since my original arguments have still not been addressed, you're just spamming generic talking points you usually find on woke twitter blue checkmark accounts.

 

[Kamfair55]

So far you've blamed all the problems in your community on white people. That's pretty racist. Are you sure you're not a nazi too?

On a serious note, not that i feel very inclined to engage honestly with you given your 'racist nazi' nonsense, if you genuinely think this is about race, you're being played like a fiddle. It's about classes. It's about the elite wanting to maintain power and wealth at the expense of everyone else. That's why they're trying to pit us against each other and you're buying it, hook, line and sinker

Its not racist its pointing out the dynamics of cause and effect in this country like i told the other guy sometimes its best to LISTEN instead of trying to tell people who have and are living it how it's not that bad. Flint Michigan is not only a systemic failure but also a racist one because if it was a richer part of town the problem would have been fixed and not to mention the comments made by those in charge like blaming black people for not paying their water bills. There are hundreds and thousands issues similar to this in a variety a places that is supposed to work for everyone but it doesn't instead of pushing back on the criticisms listen and see how we can address it realistically instead of trying to point the blame at those who are experiencing the negative effects

 

[Kamfair55]

Do you even know what the term working class means? The vast majority of blacks are part of the working class. Are you trying to replace the word white with "working class" or something.

This discussion is such a hilarious clusterfuck, I don't even know how to respond to this since my original arguments have still not been addressed, you're just spamming generic talking points you usually find on woke twitter blue checkmark accounts.

Working class white people who felt threatened by the mere thought of equal treatment

 

[joe_zazen]

No, im highlighting the fact it takes seemingly regular people to enforce the hatred of those in power members of the KKK dont just chill in robes all day they have normal everyday jobs like the rest of us. Its not politicians shooting up random places or driving cars into crowds of people its regular working class white people emboldened and fear mongeard into doing this acts based off the racist propaganda. Its always been this way "mlk is a communist" being plastered by our government invoked fear amongst white people during a time of the communist scare imagine the hate and anger that created amongst regular working class white people and them seeing anybody who agreed with mlk as such. George Bush Sr. Having our government orchestrate a drug deal just to use a black kid as the scary criminal selling crack (but not putting any cia operatives who were selling the cocaine to rick ross) time and time again our country uses black and brown people as the boogeyman scaring white people who've isolated themselves from us so all they know is what they're told THESE are regular folks who are scared into or outright believe the hate

You are right in many regards, but if the real power structures are to be challenged, you have to understand that they use everyone as they are psychopaths.* Racism is a tool they wield like any other tool, and ‘white trash’ are victims too, and potential allies! The enemy is the power nexus in washington/san Francisco; the war industry, the tech surveillance industry, the psychopaths controlling the government, etc. Their crimes include the genocide of Palestinians, the murder of 1/4 of Iraqis , the murder of 1/4 of Syrians, the occupation of 3/4 of the globe with military bases, etc.

Build bridges with fellow oppressed by understanding the lies they are fed do not equate with the people they are. And only hate those worthy of hate. The only ones worthy of hate are the power psychopaths* that control the planet.

Finally, i too am religious. Love thy neighbor, do unto others

*psychopaths aren't the scary mass murders depicted in movies like American Psycho. They are, as a group, super intelligent, super motivated and completely without conscience. Other people are mere furniture, to be used and thrown away when no longer useful. And they dominate politics on both sides,of,the aisle as well as all of the major corporations. We need a test for psychopaths as part of the election process

 

[Kamfair55]

Wait, they're the same people? Goddamn immortals and their racism!

This discussion is such a hilarious clusterfuck, I don't even know how to respond to this since my original arguments have still not been addressed, you're just spamming generic talking points you usually find on woke twitter blue checkmark accounts.

You have to get offline seriously not caught up in catch phrases like "woke" or "sjw" or "incel" and realize this has been a problem before social media was around

 

[Kamfair55]

You are right in many regards, but if the real power structures are to be challenged, you have to understand that they use everyone as they are psychopaths.* Racism is a tool they wield like any other tool, and ‘white trash’ are victims too, and potential allies! The enemy is the power nexus in washington/san Francisco; the war industry, the tech surveillance industry, the psychopaths controlling the government, etc. Their crimes include the genocide of Palestinians, the murder of 1/4 of Iraqis , the murder of 1/4 of Syrians, the occupation of 3/4 of the globe with military bases, etc.

Build bridges with fellow oppressed by understanding the lies they are fed do not equate with the people they are. And only hate those worthy of hate. The only ones worthy of hate are the power psychopaths* that control the planet.

Finally, i too am religious. Love thy neighbor, do unto others

*as a side note, psychopaths aren't the scary mass murders depicted in movies like American Psycho. They are, as a groups, super intelligent, super motivated and completely without conscience. Other people are mere furniture, to be used and thrown away when no longer useful. And they dominate politics on both sides,of,the aisle as well as all of the major corporations. .

That's what im trying to do especially now as people are so religiously attached to the hip with political parties and figures im pro right and pro equality period while we've been fighting amongst ourselves we're getting screwed everyday

 

[Katsura]

Its not racist its pointing out the dynamics of cause and effect in this country like i told the other guy sometimes its best to LISTEN instead of trying to tell people who have and are living it how it's not that bad. Flint Michigan is not only a systemic failure but also a racist one because if it was a richer part of town the problem would have been fixed and not to mention the comments made by those in charge like blaming black people for not paying their water bills. There are hundreds and thousands issues similar to this in a variety a places that is supposed to work for everyone but it doesn't instead of pushing back on the criticisms listen and see how we can address it realistically instead of trying to point the blame at those who are experiencing the negative effects

You're not getting it though. You're pointing to dynamics that's been fed to you by the people you should consider the enemy. You're being manipulated while thinking you know what's going on. You don't and as long as you're stuck in this racism narrative, you wont be able to see the truth and move forward. That's why i made the sarcastic comment about you travelling the country to see the impact - do you really think the people in trailer parks are any different than you? That they're keeping you down? Think for yourself. They're just like you, except they're being told the black people are to blame. Wake up and start focusing on the actual enemy

 

[Mahadev]

Working class white people who felt threatened by the mere thought of equal treatment

Assumption number 1: All Trump supporters feel threatened by the mere thought of equal treatment.

Assumption number 2: All people who feel threatened by the mere thought of equal treatment are like the people that were hanging blacks

Assumption number 3: Since all Trump supporters want to hang blacks that means they're nazis


Your "logic" reminds me of one the most classic Daily Show sketches ever where Jon Stewart was making fun of that type of logic but from a progressive standpoint. Its sad how liberals managed to move from that to this absolute circus we have now,

 

[Kamfair55]

You're not getting it though. You're pointing to dynamics that's been fed to you by the people you should consider the enemy. You're being manipulated while thinking you know what's going on. You don't and as long as you're stuck in this racism narrative, you wont be able to see the truth and move forward. That's why i made the sarcastic comment about you travelling the country to see the impact - do you really think the people in trailer parks are any different than you? That they're keeping you down? Think for yourself. They're just like you, except they're being told the black people are to blame. Wake up and start focusing on the actual enemy

Nothing has been told to me once again that same logic has been used for decades claiming that black people who have a particular experience have been told they had this experience or they are watching too much media it's a way to dismiss what's going on

 

[Kamfair55]

Assumption number 1: All Trump supporters feel threatened by the mere thought of equal treatment.

Assumption number 2: All people who feel threatened by the mere thought of equal treatment are like the people that were hanging blacks

Assumption number 3: Since all Trump supporters want to hang blacks that means they're nazis


Your "logic" reminds me of one the most classic Daily Show sketches ever where Jon Stewart was making fun of that type of logic but from a progressive standpoint. Its sad how liberals managed to move from that to this absolute circus we have now,

If you hang your political hat om xenophobia and racism you and those who support you are indeed racist