Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
AKA< people are spending way too much of their time trying to find reasons to justify their preconceived hate boner for the games.
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#GameFreakLied Sword and Shield Models are 3DS Ports
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AKA< people are spending way too much of their time trying to find reasons to justify their preconceived hate boner for the games.
bigDdestruction
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Mochilador
Member
That's a step in the right direction.
TheContact
Member
Does it suck the game isn't going to be as great as people hyped about it? Sure
Is it still going to be a fun game? Probably
Am I going to buy it anyway because it's the next official pokemon game and it's on the Switch? Absolutely.
Is it still going to be a fun game? Probably
Am I going to buy it anyway because it's the next official pokemon game and it's on the Switch? Absolutely.
TLZ
Banned
And that is why they'll never change.
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Deleted member 17706
Unconfirmed Member
I think it's a British-ism, actually. Google "your flash new" and you'll see a decent number of results mostly from the UK.
Grinchy
Banned
A complete butchering of the English language coming from the UK?
Yeah, that checks out.
TheContact
Member
TLZ
Banned
I wouldn't count on it. I had the same issues with another yearly game (made by Konami) for a whole generation. They always took out and ignored basic stuff. Always complained, yet still always bought it. And of course, nothing changed. Until one day I realized I'm part of the problem and let go. It's very simple, as long as they're getting the money, there's no reason to change. They see it as "it's working" and that's all that counts to them.
Paltheos
Member
I'm passing. This is the first time I'm making a conscious choice to too.
There's allot of little things that bother me but the breaking point for me, personally, is the cut dex count.
All this extra shit is just... vindication? Entertaining vindication? A little bit. There's definitely some disappointment mixed in there.
ManaByte
Gold Member
This Pokemon outrage is one of the dumbest cases of video game outrage when it comes to being outraged about a kid's toy.
I'm not getting Sword or Shield right away, have Jedi Fallen Order to play through, but when I do I don't give a flying fuck if the old Pokemon are in it or not. Hell, isn't the purpose of new Pokemon games to be FUCKING NEW?
I'm not getting Sword or Shield right away, have Jedi Fallen Order to play through, but when I do I don't give a flying fuck if the old Pokemon are in it or not. Hell, isn't the purpose of new Pokemon games to be FUCKING NEW?
bigDdestruction
Member
With Shenmue 3 just around the corner, Shemue fans better brace for impact. I just know there will be some controversy surrounding it.
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The Mad Draklor
Member
It's easy to be snarky for the sake of snark as you snarkily dismiss legit criticisms against the new Pokemon games.
A franchise whose audience is actually mostly 18+ isn't what I would consider labeling Pokemon as a "kid's toy".
Isn't that question more of an indictment against Sword and Shield. The game is using 3DS models and the animations are pure lazy-work. How are these aspects new in any way?
And considering that Game Freak said that they'll be no National Dex because they are working hard at improving the Pokemon models and animations, no wonder why there has been outrage.
ManaByte
Gold Member
When I played Moon and Ultra Moon I wasn't running around trying to find Pokemon from 20 years ago. I'm more interested in the new ones. Same thing with Sword/Shield.
I don't give a fuck if they're "lazy". Can I play a full fledged Pokemon RPG on my Switch, and thus on my TV? Yes? Ok then that's good enough.
And to add, calling any developer "lazy" is a huge insult completely ignorant of the stress people go through in game development especially with a game like this with a set holiday release date.
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The Mad Draklor
Member
And much of the audience wanted a National Dex. But fuck them right? It clearly worked out so well for DICE and Bethesda.
Cool, then you are effectively awarding Game Freak for lying. Nice to know that you are a consumer with no principles.
I can call them lazy whenever I want. It's not an insult when it is true. No updated models nor animations in spite of work being cut down and having access to more powerful hardware. That is the very definition of lazy.
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JimmyJones
Banned
Pokemon has been garbage since X&Y. Gamefreak deserve all the heat coming their way.
Shit like this is why I have nothing but contempt for this games haters.
That poster said they are quite happy to have a new Pokemon game to play. There should be absolutely NO problem with that.
Nobody needs some salty little wanker lecturing them about "principles" because they went out and bought a video game they were interested in.
Not everybody cares as much as you do. It's not about principles. It's a goddam piece of entertainment for fucksakes.
People should be fine to go out and buy it, and maybe even like it, without getting flak for that choice.
Waaaaaaa. You're rewarding game freak!
So? I'm sure some people did work very hard on this game.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Genuine question, can someone explain to me the Dex outrage?
If the fans want new things, which it sounds like this game lacks, why are they so upset that old pokemon aren't in it? Shouldn't they be mad that the amount of new Pokemon isnt vastly higher?
Seems totally backwards.
If the fans want new things, which it sounds like this game lacks, why are they so upset that old pokemon aren't in it? Shouldn't they be mad that the amount of new Pokemon isnt vastly higher?
Seems totally backwards.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
It's sorta hilarious seeing these game boy animations in a 2019 AAA first party.
Saber
Member
Simple. Because the trade off was high quality graphics and animations. They even said to remade all the models from scratch. End up being a lie, nothing but the same models from previous games. People suck their dicks(including gaming journalists and serebii), spreading that claim to defend them. But now out of sudden, its no big deal.
You could say the dex was the trigger to people open their eyes of how much trash of developers GF are.
The Mad Draklor
Member
Yeah, how dare I criticize a game! It's just a game. Principles don't matter because woe is Game Freak. They worked sooooo hard to recycle those models and animations, am I right?
Feel free to join the "Giving money to liars" club. I'm not stopping you. I get to criticize you for supporting liars because that is basically what you are doing.
And not only do you support liars, but you are also anti-meritocratic. Who cares about good hard work when we can just throw money at laziness? Developers made a game. Therefore, they deserve money regardless of quality. Genius!
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
I mean I guess that's fair but in my head, let's say for arguments sake the models were made from scratch and looked better, would that really be enough for the fans?
This all just seems like an example of the fans not really knowing what they want and not going to be happy no matter what.
That's not an excuse for the blantant lies but I can't help but feel unless they do a radical departure, which would likely piss off fans anyway for being different, Gamefreak is kinda SOL at this point with the franchise.
TheSadRanger
Banned
So your outraged over people being outraged over a kid's toy......... Okay.........
These arguments have reached Tropic Thunder levels of fuckery.
Grinchy
Banned
I'm only like an hour in and I've never played a Pokemon game before. I kinda like some of the art direction and it has that comfy feeling.
However, if I didn't know this was a big franchise and you plunked it down in front of me, this first hour would leave me with the impression that I was playing a budget title.
However, if I didn't know this was a big franchise and you plunked it down in front of me, this first hour would leave me with the impression that I was playing a budget title.
Saber
Member
If they delivered all they have promised, why would people be pissed?
The very reason for their trash graphics would be solved. The excessive number of pokemons were holding them back to deliver the best they could do.
But again, this is just the tip of the iceberg. The "dex" controversy was just the trigger, there a lot of glaring issues that needs to be solved yet.
Or maybe people are just too soft with GF because "muh developerz". Any other company, every other developer does not receive the same treatment.
Gamefreak doesn't need help. Their blind fans are the ones who needs. Who wouldn't take opportunity of farming tons of money lying to their consumers? I'm pretty sure its the dream of any company.
The reality is that developers for games like Death Stranding, Gears of Wars and others have to fight for their lives, giving ultra realistic visuals and taking heavy shit for it. While GF doens't need none of that.
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jadedm17
Member
The purpose of a Pokemon game is fun and losing half the Pokemon we love for NO REASON isnt fun to a lot of us.
Also "Gotta catch em all" comes to mind so have fun not doing the core thing of a Pokemon game.
If you can look at the image in the original post and say we have no reason to be mad then youre the idiot here.
Of course saying "kids toy" when its been shown more adults than kids play these clearly showed that lack of intelligence.
Hahahahahaha.
Oh no! I am "anti-meritocratic"!
The sincerity and seriousness of this outrage is fucking hilarious to me.
I hope the game makes a ton of money and I hope Game Freak tells even more lies in the future and makes even more money.
Just so I can laugh at twats like you wetting their panties because some strangers want to buy a Pokemon game.
Maybe people who want to buy it just want to buy and play a game they think they might like?
Not everyone is crying themselves to sleep every night over the development issues of popular video games.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
I am fine with someone disliking a game. I am fine with someone having valid complaints (which this game does have). However, it is people like Saberyoko and Mad Draklor that I can never take seriously in this discussion. When you actively spend tens of hours over months doing nothing but complaining and trying to find every little video, picture, or gif that you can use to justify your hate boner, when you insult and generalize people who disagree with you - you lost the plot a long time ago and have ventured far into crazy territory.
Vawn
Banned
They didn't have to see criticism to know that they were releasing a game that looks and runs worse than niche budget games.
They knew exactly what the reaction would be and they don't give a damn because they also know everyone will buy it anyways.
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Dr. Claus
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You act like they haven't always had weaker graphics compared to other games on the systems they release on. This has been a thing ever since the start of the franchise. Why do you suddenly expect them to change that 20 years later?
Vawn
Banned
Who said I did? I don't expect them to ever change since people keep buying their low effort games anyway.
Fake
Member
Dex cut. From Masuta inself.
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SLoWMoTIoN
Unconfirmed Member
Sniffffffffff
So let me get this straight I was right about everything concerning this game and the SAME people that defended GF and said they'd never do this or that say things like...
"Well, did you expect anything different?"
How much does Nintendo pay you to shill
So let me get this straight I was right about everything concerning this game and the SAME people that defended GF and said they'd never do this or that say things like...
"Well, did you expect anything different?"
How much does Nintendo pay you to shill
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TheSadRanger
Banned
Eh....... I disagree with this, the GB games are very comparable graphically to other top GB games. The DS games had some excellent sprites plus they used 3D backgrounds which very few games actually tried doing 3D graphics on the og DS outside of N64 ports.
XY and Sun/Moon despite some technical issues in the battles do have some of the best overworld 3D graphics on the 3DS.
I would agree that the GBA pokemon games look a little weaker comparative to other GBA games and are probably the weakest graphics wise to the other handheld Poke games.
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
On the Gameboy, we had Shantae, Faceball 2000, Chikyuu Kaihou Gun Zas, Warlocked, Project S-11, Donkey Kong Land, and Alone in the Dark: The New Nightmare. GBA we had Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories, Golden Sun, etc. DS had games like Radiant Historia. 3DS had games like Ever Oasis and Yokai Watch (which I would argue blow Pokemon X/Y and Sun/Moon out of the water in terms of graphics), Gamecube had games like Resident Evil Remake. Nintendo 64 had games like Zelda and Perfect Dark. Every last platform a pokemon game has released on, the graphics were no where near what the system could produce.
The Mad Draklor
Member
Yep, you are anti-meritocratic because you defend developers lying and people rewarding them for lying.
I, on the other hand, prefer to give money to developers who are not lazy.
The fact that you aren't taking it seriously makes it even more hilarious. "Let's throw money at laziness!"
You're acting as if I'm hoping that the game does not make a ton of money, which I actually have not expressed. But um... you do you with talking to phantom arguments.
And it sounds like EA and Bethesda are in your list of favorite developers, as well.
I'm already laughing at you for advocating for rewarding laziness.
But did I actually tell anyone they should not buy the game? All I said was the Game Freak lied and they are lazy. Your outrage because I dared to criticize Game Freak is absolutely hilarious.
More like you're crying yourself to sleep every night because OMG, someone dared to criticize Pokemon and Game Freak! Woe is you!
I mean, why else did you freak out in your initial response acting as if I'm telling other to not buy Sword and Shield... even though I never did that? Let's review part of your comment, shall we?
Sounds like you want to disallow me from making criticisms against other people's reasons of buying a game. "Hey, that's not allowed! You should just shut up!" is basically what you're saying here.
The poster is free to buy Sword or Shield. I'm also free to criticize his reasons for purchasing one of those games, but you clearly have a huge problem with the latter....
I bought and beat Ultra Sun, and I really liked and enjoyed it.
The one who lost the plot is you who haphazardly jumped into conclusions without much thought. Tens of hours over months? My comment history is available for you to peruse, but you'll find nothing.
As a result, your claims cannot be taken seriously due to your extremely ill-advised hasty generalizations.
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Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
You aren't criticizing. You are insulting. There is a difference.
Also you should look in the mirror as the bolded is what you have been doing.
The Mad Draklor
Member
I am criticizing, not insulting. If a person is willing to look away from the evidence that Game Freak did not put work into improving models and animations despite them stating they would and throw money at it, then that person is rewarding lazy work.
That applies more to you. My comment history is available for you to look through. Let me know when you finally find the tens of hours of months of complaining about Game Freak that I put my blood and sweat into...
I'm free to criticize other people's motives, but you clearly have a problem with that based on your hasty conclusions.
Since I'm nice enough, I've streamlined the searching for you. Good luck finding my tens of hours of months of complaining!
https://www.neogaf.com/search/662389/?q=pokemon&c[users]=The+Mad+Draklor&o=relevance
https://www.neogaf.com/search/662392/?q=Game+Freak&c[users]=The+Mad+Draklor&o=relevance
https://www.neogaf.com/search/662401/?page=2&q=Nintendo&c[users]=The+Mad+Draklor&o=relevance
https://www.neogaf.com/search/662404/?q=sword&c[users]=The+Mad+Draklor&o=relevance
https://www.neogaf.com/search/662407/?q=shield&c[users]=The+Mad+Draklor&o=relevance
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EverythingsOverrated
Member
Oh boy, so I was tipped off that I should check out the IGN Nintendo Voice Chat episode about this whole thing. Are you guys ready for a cringe factory? The juicy stuff starts at around the 30 minute mark.
I have to say it's kind of sad to see how bad NVC has become. It's funny how self aware it used to be vs now - the name of the podcast itself was a diss on Nintendo from Matt and Bozon saying they're naming the podcast Nintendo Voice Chat because Nintendo didn't have voice chat for the Wii for online gaming so they don't need the name anyway.
I completely stopped listening when the dude that does it now became the host, and to be honest, it hasn't been good since the end of the Craigway.
Anyway, these folks are completely off base. At one point, one of the hosts criticizes people that call out the game for trusting data miners and says it's basically how bad things happen in the world. It's so silly.
I have to say it's kind of sad to see how bad NVC has become. It's funny how self aware it used to be vs now - the name of the podcast itself was a diss on Nintendo from Matt and Bozon saying they're naming the podcast Nintendo Voice Chat because Nintendo didn't have voice chat for the Wii for online gaming so they don't need the name anyway.
I completely stopped listening when the dude that does it now became the host, and to be honest, it hasn't been good since the end of the Craigway.
Anyway, these folks are completely off base. At one point, one of the hosts criticizes people that call out the game for trusting data miners and says it's basically how bad things happen in the world. It's so silly.
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Saber
Member
This might be stupidest, dumbest and shitest thing I ever watch. Calling people ignorant because of "random opinion" while their reviews are nothing but random opinions(and proceeds to call her own review opinion when should be an analysis), proceds to ignore glaring issues because "she didn't find nothing wrong at all" and the best of all don't trust dataminers who "stolen", because its all conspiracy and you should trust us.
And people still defend this kind putrit attitude. Its disgusting to say the least.
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Just dropping in as a reminder to not personally attack or antagonize each other when stating your opinions.
This is definitely a hot topic that warrants discussion, but try and remain tactful in the process.
This is definitely a hot topic that warrants discussion, but try and remain tactful in the process.
Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
It's not really personal (other than all the people calling me a shill over my well explained opinion of the game's great, unique and very vertical world design that resembles a Pokemon take on the Xenoblade series' visually interesting world design before, lol) but I thought calling any devs lazy was frowned upon here? No? I just ask to know for future reference since I reported a post and was told it's been "resolved" but I see no change. If it's fine by the rules then I got no reason to report, I don't particularly care anyway as it's not an argument one can actually discuss, just a lazy (ha!) insult.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
81 critic score, 3.8 user score.
Probably the worst rated Pokemon game ever.
Probably the worst rated Pokemon game ever.
To clear this up now, we are not going to ban or action people based on the use of the word “lazy”.
Challenge their opinions. If they can’t provide anything beyond internet adages to describe certain developers or practices, then that’s on them presenting a weak and ironically lazy argument.
Only time we will step in, is if the discussions regress into personal attacks, harassment, or aggressive trolling- as some of the examples.
Saber
Member
Oh my, this forum aways gives. Thank you good sir.
PhoenixTank
Member
So I am one of the people that were hoping a lot of things were going to improve since the reveal. Placeholder and all that.
Given everything I've read and seen so far, I'm not angry but I am disappointed. Will be a low priority on my wishlist - The successor may well be out by the time I'd get to it, resulting in a skip.
/s?
Given everything I've read and seen so far, I'm not angry but I am disappointed. Will be a low priority on my wishlist - The successor may well be out by the time I'd get to it, resulting in a skip.
Oooh, nice post. Very flash!
/s?