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Seems to work fine for both Sony and Nintendo, even with larger install bases.
??? Nintendo had cross gen exclusives on both the Wii and Switch.
Seems to work fine for both Sony and Nintendo, even with larger install bases.
I thought Sony doing the same thing with the PS5 being backwards compatible? Unless I have missed something
??? Nintendo had cross gen exclusives on both the Wii and Switch.
i almost play only on pc, and console games port are exactly the same game with better framerate and all the bells and whistle activated.So many people in this thread have never dealt with PC games.
I guess every PC game is limited by a 386 and DOS.
No this is the opposite. PS5 can play every PS4 game, but this would be a PS4 has to able to play every PS5 game.
In essence, it would mean a PS5 would just be a PS4 Pro 2. Every new game would still be tied to the base PS4. This would be horrible and would limit how far developers would push the new tech.
Microsoft is saying Xbox Two is forwards compatibleI thought Sony doing the same thing with the PS5 being backwards compatible? Unless I have missed something
i almost play only on pc, and console games port are exactly the same game with better framerate and all the bells and whistle activated.
no difference in core concept, physics, and many other things, so your example is exactly what people are talking about, prettier and with better framerate (so better gameplay) but same exact games.
i don't think this is what people wants with a next gen hardware...
No this is the opposite. PS5 can play every PS4 game, but this would be a PS4 has to able to play every PS5 game.
In essence, it would mean a PS5 would just be a PS4 Pro 2. Every new game would still be tied to the base PS4. This would be horrible and would limit how far developers would push the new tech.
Ok, but I haven't seen/read anything that indications that new PS5 games won't be compatible with the PS4 , I would be very surprised if Sony did that, I can't see it to be honest
You think every PS5 game for the entire generation will have to be playable on PS4 too?
No, YOU clearly never played on PC. PC games are built on two sets of hardware; minimum spec, and recommended spec. PC games had to make the decision of what the minimum hardware was going to be, and made sure it run on it. You do NOT allow modern PC games to run on a 386.So many people in this thread have never dealt with PC games.
I guess every PC game is limited by a 386 and DOS.
Except they are limited. Scaling upwards into theoreticals does not mean it's running the best it possibly could be on that future hardware. Even the previous holy grail of such games Crysis, runs into technical issues on modern rigs that can run it at max settings because it wasn't optimised for them (obviously).Again, PC games aren’t limited by old hardware and some can even scale above currently available hardware. People need to stop overreacting.
Better examples would be Watch Dogs and Shadow of Mordor. Both big budget games, both comprimised one way or the other by being cross gen. In Watch Dogs case, look at the well documented downgrades it received from announcement to release on PC because of having to cut content for 7th gen consoles. Conversely, the Nemesis System, the single best part of the game, was missing from the 7th gen version if SoM. That's what you can expect from this decision, not the two exceptional exceptions to the norn of game development.
You only need to look at the overreactions and who are making them. They're in every Xbox thread but don't own a Xbox if that is any cluePeople need to stop overreacting
Yes.People are overreacting.
You can play modern PC games with six year old graphics cards...... Does this mean PC games are being held back?
Rest assured, i am not trying to "help" Xbox in any way. I am not owning consoles for the next few years. But I am just here to watch the train wreck and seeing how people are going to try justifying something that was going to backfire massively.You only need to look at the overreactions and who are making them. They're in every Xbox thread but don't own a Xbox if that is any clue
I expect every single un-announced 1st party PS5 game to be a PS5 exclusive. Because that would be the only reason to not announce them this year.I guess that in Playstation case, we will have some transitioning games (TLOU 2, Ghost of Tsuhima...) along with a small number of launch exclusives.
Then all studios will go full PS5, just like what happened with ps4.
People are overreacting.
You can play modern PC games with six year old graphics cards...... Does this mean PC games are being held back?
Yes. Games will always be somewhat hindered by whatever the minimum system requirements are. If a PC game has to be able to run on 15 year-old hardware, then it is limited compared to a game that could only run on the latest, most powerful machined.
I think that they are doing the smart thing up front. it makes the console transition easier for existing XBO players and makes gamepass look like an even bigger deal to those jumping on board with Scarlett.
MS copied the iPhone strategy with the X revision, it seems they will follow that trend and chip away at the old consoles when it’s time. Just like how most IOS games only work on the newish models.
Well this isn't going to make Xbox Two games look bad in comparison to PS5 exclusives at all.
Edit: PC comparisons are a waste of time bringing up in this subject. This is fixed hardware we are discussing,
It's not but it might prevent new game ideas based around the new hardware , but that would be a small amount of games anyway
That game was developed with high end pc confiruation in mind, i can assure you that the same game created with old gen hardware wont be the same.(sorry for my english)Look at Star Citizen. It can run...ok on “current” hardware. But put it on a PC with a high end CPU/GPU, a lot of RAM, and a SSD and it’s a game no console can touch.
Pro consumer?That's exactly what they're doing. But for some reason people like abandoning their previous game libraries and don't like pro-consumer decisions in the console space.
Or an Xbox1XUltra.So this is just an Xbox X 2.0?
Pro consumer?
At this point I find it interesting that it had became the term abused most by Xbox supporters for some reason.
Almost universally, third party studios try to do cross gen for as long as possible, until they are sure the new gen has enough customers to support AAA titles. You don't need to tell them to do otherwise.
But 1st party games are not made to make money. They are made to convince people to buy consoles. Sony, like they always do, will make PS5 games that could only be run on PS5, because it is the studio's job to convince people to buy a PS5.
Selling consoles is what 1st party studios are doing, first and foremost. If they can't convince you to buy a PS5 then they have failed. This has nothing to being pro or anti consumer. 1st party studios have a job to do and they will do that job or perish.
1st party games is what makes consoles different from PCs. And as long as 1st party studios exist, there will be 1st party games. You have not explained why Sony would want to handicap the promotion of PS5.The console market is going to become more like the PC and mobile market and some people are going to have the hardest time dealing with that.
1st party games is what makes consoles different from PCs. And as long as 1st party studios exist, there will be 1st party games. You have not explained why Sony would want to handicap the promotion of PS5.
Remember, when Nintendo was promoting Zelda BotW, not once did Nintendo use a WiiU to showcase the game. The game was cross platform, but Nintendo deliberately used only Switch units in all the game shows and promotions. You know why? Because despite BotW being playable on wiiU, Nintendo do NOT want people to play it on the wiiU. Nintendo want people to play it on the Switch. That's what console platform owners want.
If devs are working with a base console in mind, this limiter will certainly cement Scarlet as the 4K 60fps machine.
At a guess, I would imagine that the base Xbox hasn't been the lead platform for over 3 years and now even the One X isn't the lead I would imagine.
Quake wouldn't run at 60 fps on a 486, but technically it would still work on it, even if one really needed a fast Pentium PC. I don't see the difference here myself
Rdr2 is not a good example either,...the game core is the fucking same on high end pc...Except they are limited. Scaling upwards into theoreticals does not mean it's running the best it possibly could be on that future hardware. Even the previous holy grail of such games Crysis, runs into technical issues on modern rigs that can run it at max settings because it wasn't optimised for them (obviously).
People bringing up RDR2 and Star Citizen also seem to be conveniently ignoring the budgets those games have, as well as Star Citizen having been in development hell for years. They are not good examples of the shackles last gen hardware can place on games.
Better examples would be Watch Dogs and Shadow of Mordor. Both big budget games, both comprimised one way or the other by being cross gen. In Watch Dogs case, look at the well documented downgrades it received from announcement to release on PC because of having to cut content for 7th gen consoles. Conversely, the Nemesis System, the single best part of the game, was missing from the 7th gen version if SoM. That's what you can expect from this decision, not the two exceptional exceptions to the norn of game development.
Best case scenario you're looking at a Doom 2016 situation. Runs great on a toaster, a bit ugly compared to other games in the genre, but no one carss because it's fucking awesome to play.
It doesn't matter what is or isn't the lead platform. What matters is that the game has to run on a very low minimum spec machine.The difference here is that people in this thread are trying to argue that the base Xbox One S is the lead platform for Scarlet, when it isn't right now.
It's the ultimate in concern trolling, while ignoring how game development really works.
I really don't think anyone at MS really believe it is a good idea to make Scarlet games compatible with Xbox1S. But they might have no other option available.
The difference here is that people in this thread are trying to argue that the base Xbox One S is the lead platform for Scarlet, when it isn't right now.
It's the ultimate in concern trolling, while ignoring how game development really works.
I would imagine since the One X hit the silicon stage and MS had One X development kits that was the lead platform for MS Teams and no doubt that has now changed to Scarlet now
Cross-gen titles will always be a thing even among exclusives. No one trying to make money on video games is going to just let 40-50 million potential customers that already own an Xbox console fly by them and wait for them to pick up the new, expensive console before buying the first two years worth of games.
You don’t have to like it for it to be true. We shouldn’t be acting surprised by this trend when we’ve had years of precedent happening.
Literally no one is asking anyone to buy the same game twice. You are talking about cross gen games, which PS5 would have too. But i am talking about a complete lack of Scarlet exclusives, which is an entirely different cup of tea.It's a good idea because you're not forcing people to buy a game twice. Someone who buys Halo Infinite on their Xbox One X will be able to play it, and then when they upgrade to Scarlet they'll get the intended experience for the game.
It's like having people to buy Modern Warfare on the PC for a Nvidia 970, and then forcing them to buy the game again on the 2080 for the version with raytracing.
It isn't next gen if you could run it on current gen. By definition, it is not a next-gen title if it runs on a Xbox1S or PS4. it would just be a current gen game that was upgradable.Wait people are getting upset because you can play the 'latest/next gen' games on any X/pc system? I am really confused here. We got to a point where options are bad? We finally got to the point where pc players can play console games and vice versa and the uproar is that Scarlet games are going to be on older systems, what? What am I missing, seriously?
Wait people are getting upset because you can play the 'latest/next gen' games on any X/pc system? I am really confused here. We got to a point where options are bad? We finally got to the point where pc players can play console games and vice versa and the uproar is that Scarlet games are going to be on older systems, what? What am I missing, seriously?
Literally no one is asking anyone to buy the same game twice. You are talking about cross gen games, which PS5 would have too. But i am talking about a complete lack of Scarlet exclusives, which is an entirely different cup of tea.
When i say Scarlet exclusives, i mean games that run on Scarlet but could not run on XBox1S. Since there would only be one version of the game in that case, there is no double dipping at all. So what you are saying have nothing to do with what i am talking about.
That's exactly what they're doing. But for some reason people like abandoning their previous game libraries and don't like pro-consumer decisions in the console space.
Some people want consoles to remain a closed system
So should there be games on the PC that are exclusive only to the highest end graphics cards and no one else should be allowed to play them? Because that's what you're arguing for.
Yes, that game was called Crysis. It wasn't a meme, that existed. And the original Doom certainly require a beefy rig at launch. i am starting to suspect you never played a single PC game.So should there be games on the PC that are exclusive only to the highest end graphics cards and no one else should be allowed to play them? Because that's what you're arguing for.