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[DynamiteCop!]

GT Sport is just utterly lifeless, feels and looks like you're just floating around on a cloud taking a leisurely drive in the countryside. There's no sense of speed, power, G's, shock and jolt. It's a lifeless game.

 

[Stuart360]

GT Sport is just utterly lifeless, feels and looks like you're just floating around on a cloud taking a leisurely drive in the countryside. There's no sense of speed, power, G's, shock and jolt. It's a lifeless game.

Honestly never noticed that before, and cant unsee it now. Its like the tracks on GT are completely flat and smooth, the car doesnt react to the track at all.

 

[Bodatan]

GT Sport is just utterly lifeless, feels and looks like you're just floating around on a cloud taking a leisurely drive in the countryside. There's no sense of speed, power, G's, shock and jolt. It's a lifeless game.

Forza 7 visual feedback is amazing you can feel the impact and pressure on breaking and accelerating while GTS tyres are floating on the track.

 

[Bunta_Fujiwara]

Sure.

Yeah sure... look for example at the curbs and track geometry of the Nurb and Spa... exactly the same lol







Laughable

GTS:

 

[Bodatan]

GTS looks arcedy even Mario kart has a better sense of speed than it lol

 

[Bunta_Fujiwara]

GTS looks arcedy even Mario kart has a better sense of speed than it lol

Actually arcade games like Mario Cart,NFS,Forza games etc. usually are the one's to have super stretched FOV in order to enhance the sense of speed,get your facts stright

 

[ethomaz]

So you are saying that GTS inaccurately maps
What the player is doing at the wheel?

What the input the player is giving on Wheel is sent to GTS to do the animation... the force the player has to put on wheel not because you already did that on wheel and the input resulted from what you did there.

Best way play the game on a wheel... you will understand.

The main difference between the controller and wheel is that GTS can send force feedback data to wheel and not to controller.

 

[Bogroll]

Yeah sure... look for example at the curbs and track geometry of the Nurb and Spa... exactly the same lol


GTS:

Forza looks good, see what i mean about the colours on Gts, like a arcade game.

 

[Bunta_Fujiwara]

Forza looks good, see what i mean about the colours on Gts, like a arcade game.

Nice joke

 

[phil_t98]

What the input the player is giving on Wheel is sent to GTS to do the animation... the force the player has to put on wheel not because you already did that on wheel and the input resulted from what you did there.

Best way play the game on a wheel... you will understand.

The main difference between the controller and wheel is that GTS can send force feedback data to wheel and not to controller.

Yeah and the wheel in the game is not moving like the driver in real life, it’s not fighting to stay on the road like in real life

 

[Bunta_Fujiwara]

Yeah and the wheel in the game is not moving like the driver in real life, it’s not fighting to stay on the road like in real life

 

[Romulus]

GT Sport is just utterly lifeless, feels and looks like you're just floating around on a cloud taking a leisurely drive in the countryside. There's no sense of speed, power, G's, shock and jolt. It's a lifeless game.

GT Sport is way off by comparison here.

 

[phil_t98]

That’s a lot more like it, those other videos didn’t look like a car travelling over a 100mph on a track

 

[rashbeep]

GT Sport is just utterly lifeless, feels and looks like you're just floating around on a cloud taking a leisurely drive in the countryside. There's no sense of speed, power, G's, shock and jolt. It's a lifeless game.

True that's always been an issue with GT that still hasn't been addressed

Fwiw it looks better than Forza (at least the motorsport series, it gets beat by H4)

 

[Bunta_Fujiwara]

That’s a lot more like it, those other videos didn’t look like a car travelling over a 100mph on a track

Probably because on those videos they were using a pad or weren't pushing the car to the limits

 

[Neo 007]

Watch a replay of Forza 7 vs GT Sport and tell me witch looks better...more reactive???

 

[phil_t98]

Probably because on those videos they were using a pad or weren't pushing the car to the limits

And yet the other guy befor was insisting it was done with a wheel

 

[StreetsofBeige]

A forum about people jockeying about which racing game has better graphics, and a poster posts a pic of his driver's license to show he knows how to ride a motorcycle.

WTF.

Mods: You might want to delete those pics for sake of that poster not embarrassing himself.

 

[ethomaz]

And yet the other guy befor was insisting it was done with a wheel

It is using wheel lol
I don't need to insist... I even posted the wheel settings.

A forum about people jockeying about which racing game has better graphics, and a poster posts a pic of his driver's license to show he knows how to ride a motorcycle.

WTF.

Mods: You might want to delete those pics for sake of that poster not embarrassing himself.

Truth doesn't embarrass anybody lol

 

[Bodatan]

A forum about people jockeying about which racing game has better graphics, and a poster posts a pic of his driver's license to show he knows how to ride a motorcycle.

WTF.

Mods: You might want to delete those pics for sake of that poster not embarrassing himself.

Lmao

 

[Bogroll]

Nice joke

I'm not joking.

 

[Mod of War]

Oh piss off, as if we all don't have eyes and know what shocks and jolts to the head do to vision and the perception of stationary objects.

You're an enigma. Absolutely delusional human being that throws all logic and reality out the window to defend a game with no visual feedback. Incredible.

We understand these "face off's" are going to get heated. That is an undeniable nature when biases come into play.

But let's lay off personal attacks going forward, for everyone.

 

[FukuDaruma]

I don't know if you're being purposely disingenuous or have no idea how people play on PC.
Let's just pretend that small selection of people who had to choose to participate in a survey were actually all of the PC gaming user base. Did it not cross your mind that those other 98% are perhaps favoring frame rate over resolution, you know one major key advantage of PC gaming? I would be one of those people, because I use my TV in 1080p/120Hz mode rather than 4K/60hz mode. What about all the people with 1440p/144Hz monitors for example? Have you ever heard a PC gamer sacrificing their frame rate just to hit 4k?

Do you have any data to support that? the majority of cases I see playing with highest framerates are competitive fps players, which don't care much for top visual quality but fast response to make more kills.

Where are all those examples here in this thread from people running 120Hz and 120fps games?

Maintaining stable 120fps or 144fps in games means sacrificing a lot of quality, otherwise you are just reducing input lag but not seeing any real improvement in smoothness.

Also, this argument about PCs not being included because it doesn't have generations - ignoring the fact PC hardware have far more generations than console. An i7 4790K is not the same gen as a 9900K, a 780Ti is not the same gen as a 2080Ti - but I know the point you're trying to make.

Don't manipulate my words. What I said is PC is not "next gen", "next gen" and "last gen" are consoles terms. PCs are a total mix of different hardware components in constant evolution. The point I made is it seems the origin of this thread was comparing games on similar hardware ("next gen" consoles) but as time went on and PCs kept evolving now instead of comparing games in fair conditions it's all about "mine is the best!" just because the latest and most expensive PC hardware can bruteforce some settings.

Anybody can experience the game at 4K, 5K, even 8K, maxed settings if they want to though. Doesn't matter what hardware you have, the same settings are there and available to everyone and everyone can display exactly the same images, the only difference is how quickly their computer can render those images, that is it.

So it doesn't matter if the game runs at 5fps as long as you can make a good screenshot to post on a forum?

Well, that's one point of view...

I'm more interested in real gameplay conditions. High quality videos, specially 4K60 with 50-70Mbps bitrates, are much more representative of real gameplay than some static and cherrypicked screenshots.

Get better hardware the majority of us here run 4K. This is nextgen faceoff meaning the latest and greatest as it continually evovles not mid 2016 faceoff.

Where is your data for "the majority of us"?

I do have better hardware. A Ryzen 2080S 32GB NVMe able to run Forza 7 and Forza Horizon 4 Ultra at 4K60, even forcing supersampling on transparency:

and even with Reshade on top and 3D:

but I acknowledge that this is not the case for the majority of people out there, and I can appreciate what's great about games that run on much more limited hardware.

It's not about "me me me me" and "my PC is best! haha" "pcmasterrace consolepeasants yadda yadda", but what is a fair comparision and what are merits of the games, the engines they run on and the studios behind them, and what are merits of vastly more expensive hardware components.

 

[Mattyp]

Where is your data for "the majority of us"?

but I acknowledge that this is not the case for the majority of people out there, and I can appreciate what's great about games that run on much more limited hardware.

It's not about "me me me me" and "my PC is best! haha" "pcmasterrace consolepeasants yadda yadda", but what is a fair comparision and what are merits of the games, the engines they run on and the studios behind them, and what are merits of vastly more expensive hardware components.

The majority of us in this thread have capable hardware or running these games in 4K unless you've missed the posts by every poster posting proof? No it's not about ME ME ME MASTERRACE. The entire thread title is NEXT GEN GRAPHICS FACE OFF regardless of hardware. I don't know how much clearer that needs to be made for people here it has been the title before you and half the people who have come in here where even members.

Feel free to go make a thread called "Racing game face off merits of the games, the engines they run on and the studios behind them"

 

[FukuDaruma]

The majority of us in this thread have capable hardware or running these games in 4K unless you've missed the posts by every poster posting proof?

There's plenty of 1080 screens here, I didn't count how many are 4K and how many are 1080 in the whole thread, but the majority of people don't post anything, they just read or comment.

The entire thread title is NEXT GEN GRAPHICS FACE OFF regardless of hardware.

No, the entire thread title is Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen), which is explained by the part of my post you just decided to ignore (surprise):

What I said is PC is not "next gen", "next gen" and "last gen" are consoles terms. PCs are a total mix of different hardware components in constant evolution. The point I made is it seems the origin of this thread was comparing games on similar hardware ("next gen" consoles) but as time went on and PCs kept evolving now instead of comparing games in fair conditions it's all about "mine is the best!" just because the latest and most expensive PC hardware can bruteforce some settings.

Why that specific "next gen" and even more specific (Next-gen means current-gen) you purposedly left out? maybe because the titles REFERS TO CONSOLES in consoles terms?

I'm not against posting PC, but against trying to pass PCs vs consoles as an honest and fair comparision about "games". If your favorite game is "better" just because it runs on 4x priced hardware, your game isn't better, the hardware is.

I don't know how much clearer that needs to be made for people here it has been the title before you and half the people who have come in here where even members.

Feel free to go make a thread called "Racing game face off merits of the games, the engines they run on and the studios behind them"

With all your pretentious seniority and rank against my noobness, feel free to rename the thread to "One-percenters PC masterrace face-off against console peasants. (Forza fanboys tail rub off private club)".

 

[Turk1993]

There's plenty of 1080 screens here, I didn't count how many are 4K and how many are 1080 in the whole thread, but the majority of people don't post anything, they just read or comment.




No, the entire thread title is Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means current-gen), which is explained by the part of my post you just decided to ignore (surprise):



Why that specific "next gen" and even more specific (Next-gen means current-gen) you purposedly left out? maybe because the titles REFERS TO CONSOLES in consoles terms?

I'm not against posting PC, but against trying to pass PCs vs consoles as an honest and fair comparision about "games". If your favorite game is "better" just because it runs on 4x priced hardware, your game isn't better, the hardware is.




With all your pretentious seniority and rank against my noobness, feel free to rename the thread to "One-percenters PC masterrace face-off against console peasants. (Forza fanboys tail rub off private club)".

First of i showed you guys that even on Xbox One X the Forza games looked better, secondly stop with the NEXT GEN is only for console bullshit. The consoles have too much power difference between them to compare them equelly like the way you tryna compare them, wich is stupid in a graphic comparison thread. PC has GENS to!

You are the one ignoring, so stop derailing the thread and make a another thread for console only if thats what you whant. There are far more more powerfull pc's then the PS4 Pro. Everything with or above GTX 970 will be more powerfull wich there are more than the total amount of sales of PS4 Pro. Roughly 38% of steam users have more capable pc than the PS4 Pro, wich they can choose to higher the frame rate or the graphics or BOTH if they have more powerfull rig that supports it.

So stop wasting our time with complaining about pc been in the discussing in a comparison thread and 0.0000001% master race bullshit.


Also im just back from my 4 day trip to somewhere special , i wil post something from that beautiful location a litlle later.

 

[Turk1993]

Guys, i did it
I visited Spa Francorchamps circuit this week, after all the comparisons and hype around the track i had to visit it. It was soo beautiful and soo similar thanks to all the games that i drove it in. I knew exactly where i was. Its a different yet fun experience, and a cold one lol. unfortunately they didn't allow me to do a lap on the track because there was some sort of a practice race or something going on, wich was a bummer .
Its me in the middle (I am a semi pro photographer)

EAU ROUGE

And the famous building

After seeing it in real life there are parts of the balcony that are more accurate in Forza and the side of the house plus its textures wich in GTS is barely any visible. But the windows and height of the balcony is more accurate in GTS, also the trees fill the whole background wich was also more accurate in Forza. But still after all this both games look incredible close to the real thing wich is really nice when you are there. You feel like you been there before, its a beautiful circuit after all. But i will be going back when i have time to do a lap or 3, wich is asap hopefully.

 

[Birdo]

Guys, i did it
I visited Spa Francorchamps circuit this week, after all the comparisons and hype around the track i had to visit it. It was soo beautiful and soo similar thanks to all the games that i drove it in. I knew exactly where i was. Its a different yet fun experience, and a cold one lol. unfortunately they didn't allow me to do a lap on the track because there was some sort of a practice race or something going on, wich was a bummer .
Its me in the middle (I am a semi pro photographer)

EAU ROUGE

And the famous building

After seeing it in real life there are parts of the balcony that are more accurate in Forza and the side of the house plus its textures wich in GTS is barely any visible. But the windows and height of the balcony is more accurate in GTS, also the trees fill the whole background wich was also more accurate in Forza. But still after all this both games look incredible close to the real thing wich is really nice when you are there. You feel like you been there before, its a beautiful circuit after all. But i will be going back when i have time to do a lap or 3, wich is asap hopefully.

Crap textures and lots of aliasing.

 

[LostDonkey]

Jealous!

 

[VFXVeteran]

I'm just curious why there are 341 pages of discussion on racing games' graphics. I'm not trying to troll or anything. I'm very surprised since racing games generally aren't that popular (from what I'm seeing).

 

[phil_t98]

Guys, i did it
I visited Spa Francorchamps circuit this week, after all the comparisons and hype around the track i had to visit it. It was soo beautiful and soo similar thanks to all the games that i drove it in. I knew exactly where i was. Its a different yet fun experience, and a cold one lol. unfortunately they didn't allow me to do a lap on the track because there was some sort of a practice race or something going on, wich was a bummer .
Its me in the middle (I am a semi pro photographer)

EAU ROUGE

And the famous building

After seeing it in real life there are parts of the balcony that are more accurate in Forza and the side of the house plus its textures wich in GTS is barely any visible. But the windows and height of the balcony is more accurate in GTS, also the trees fill the whole background wich was also more accurate in Forza. But still after all this both games look incredible close to the real thing wich is really nice when you are there. You feel like you been there before, its a beautiful circuit after all. But i will be going back when i have time to do a lap or 3, wich is asap hopefully.

Was it 60fps??

 

[TheAdmiester]

I'm just curious why there are 341 pages of discussion on racing games' graphics. I'm not trying to troll or anything. I'm very surprised since racing games generally aren't that popular (from what I'm seeing).

They tend to be the peak graphical showcases of a platform (at least in my opinion) so I think it makes sense.

 

[Turk1993]

Was it 60fps??

Unfortunately it was a steady 24fps, but i cranked up the graphics so it looked better than real life .

 

[phil_t98]

Unfortunately it was a steady 24fps, but i cranked up the graphics so it looked better than real life .

am sure I can see jaggies on the roof of the building, in all seriousness you can hardly see skyline through the tress on the building like somebody was point out on GTS I think.

did you get a photo of the building next to it to see if it was a shutter on the windows?

 

[Turk1993]

am sure I can see jaggies on the roof of the building, in all seriousness you can hardly see skyline through the tress on the building like somebody was point out on GTS I think.

did you get a photo of the building next to it to see if it was a shutter on the windows?

If you mean the medical building then no, because it was 7km walk distance to reach there and i wasn't sure if i could reach it close enough from the walking area. There was a race going on so i couldn't go on the other side wich was closed with safety guys securing the entry.

 

[phil_t98]

If you mean the medical building then no, because it was 7km walk distance to reach there and i wasn't sure if i could reach it close enough from the walking area. There was a race going on so i couldn't go on the other side wich was closed with safety guys securing the entry.

so in your opinion how close to the real life track do the games get?

 

[alabtrosMyster]

After seeing it in real life there are parts of the balcony that are more accurate in Forza and the side of the house plus its textures wich in GTS is barely any visible. But the windows and height of the balcony is more accurate in GTS, also the trees fill the whole background wich was also more accurate in Forza. But still after all this both games look incredible close to the real thing wich is really nice when you are there. You feel like you been there before, its a beautiful circuit after all. But i will be going back when i have time to do a lap or 3, wich is asap hopefully.

So much dedication, I wish I never have an argument with you!

Pretty amazing!

so in your opinion how close to the real life track do the games get?

I was not there, but when I looked at the pictures (especially his first two) I though that they were from a game, I was just wondering which one.

 

[Nero_PR]

At this point, I'm here to just see the shitposting and people defending their favorite IPs at the cost of their dignity in this forum. I like most of the games presented here. So it is a win-win situation for me.

 

[Turk1993]

so in your opinion how close to the real life track do the games get?

Man incredible close, like really i was surprised how well they recreated the track. The moment you see it, it feels immediately familiar. There where parts that where perfectly match in GTS and there where parts where it looked like Forza 7. GTS track fences, building design, banners, lights and object placement was closer to real life than Forza, but the stones, Some buildings, grass, tents and buildings textures where closer to real life in Forza. GTS looked closer because they scanned it at a later date, wich is closer to my visit date. In GTS the walking area was also recreated really well, you can actualy see the part of the entry with the info map wich surprised me tbh. But then the Les Combes looked closer in Forza the way they put the trees and caravans with the electric poles and such. But they are both damn close. Can't wait for next gen to arrive so whe can hopefully get rid of those ugly trees in both games. Thats the only thing holding it back vs real life wich says enough i think.

 

[New Yorks Finest]

Guys, i did it
I visited Spa Francorchamps circuit this week, after all the comparisons and hype around the track i had to visit it. It was soo beautiful and soo similar thanks to all the games that i drove it in. I knew exactly where i was. Its a different yet fun experience, and a cold one lol. unfortunately they didn't allow me to do a lap on the track because there was some sort of a practice race or something going on, wich was a bummer .
Its me in the middle (I am a semi pro photographer)

EAU ROUGE

And the famous building

After seeing it in real life there are parts of the balcony that are more accurate in Forza and the side of the house plus its textures wich in GTS is barely any visible. But the windows and height of the balcony is more accurate in GTS, also the trees fill the whole background wich was also more accurate in Forza. But still after all this both games look incredible close to the real thing wich is really nice when you are there. You feel like you been there before, its a beautiful circuit after all. But i will be going back when i have time to do a lap or 3, wich is asap hopefully.

Dayummnnnnn Turk!! That track all the way in Belgium EU, correct?

Where you from if you don't mind me asking?

 

[Turk1993]

Dayummnnnnn Turk!! That track all the way in Belgium EU, correct?

Where you from if you don't mind me asking?

I live in Belgium, its 200km from my home. I also visited Circuit Zolder in 2015, wich is even closer (70km). My next destination will be the green hell (Nurburgring) in 2020, wich i will drive on the circuit this time hopefully. That one is also close (300km), wich is just a 3h drive.

 

[Turk1993]

Well here is Laguna Seca with the new Ford GT comparison FM7 vs GTS, time of day is roughly 90% the same

+ cockpit

 

[Dontero]

Maybe by 2040 GT Sport will reach half the track number of Forza7 and 1/4 of cars.

 

[Munhon]

Great thread, very interesting posts.

 

[Hobbygaming]

I think GT7 will catch up to mainline Forza next generation. Remember GT Sport in 8K I think it's representative of what the next GT will look like

 

[hooijdonk17]

Out of curiosity, which games carry the torch for best looking and best driving racing simulations on PC these days?

 

[Dontero]

Out of curiosity, which games carry the torch for best looking and best driving racing simulations on PC these days?

There are none. PC racing games focus more on simulation aspect and graphics there aren't that important.

 

[hooijdonk17]

There are none. PC racing games focus more on simulation aspect and graphics there aren't that important.

So say Project Cars 2 is not comparable to Forza 7 in terms of graphics? I find that hard to believe.

 

[ethomaz]

So say Project Cars 2 is not comparable to Forza 7 in terms of graphics? I find that hard to believe.

He means the best driving simulations doesn’t have top graphics like iRacing, rFactor, etc.

Both pCars 2 and Forza 7 are not in the best driving simulation tier on PC but indeed have good graphics but between them Forza 7 has the best graphics.

 

[Dontero]

So say Project Cars 2 is not comparable to Forza 7 in terms of graphics? I find that hard to believe.

It isn't because i have both. PCars is nice looking but they are not the top dogs in therms of graphics. They do have some pretty rain though and VR support which is great.