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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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geordiemp

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I mean teraflops isnt everything, take for example a vega 56 is susposed to be capable of around 10.5 teraflops while a rtx 2070 is 8 teraflops but the majortiy of games run alot better on 2070 because of better drivers, optimization, and the architecture itself even though the teraflop is lower it still preforms better in most games.

And thatone of the benefit of consoles, they punch their weight.
 

Reindeer

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GTAVI getting prepped for PS5 reveal next month?
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GTA 6 could release next year, right? I remember in GTA 5 there were two dates written in one place, 2013 and 2021. Some folks took this as indication that the next GTA could release in 2021 since 2013 was the release date of the last game. They usually reveal their games a year before release so maybe it's next year.
 
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SgtCaffran

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The Oberon chip is the one most grounded in reality
Yes but a reality without any context whatsoever, a meaningless reality.
So it's not both. Business decisions are fluid leading up to the release of a new product. And with a healthy competition, the consumers will always be the ultimate benefactors. You can't have the adoption rate "at a scale and pace" that Sony has NEVER delivered on before with a price point higher than $399. Now personally, I'm hoping for a $449 price point, which is a good compromise between power and price. But I don't think that a 100 million people will run out and upgrade their PS4 to the newer PS5 at that price. Not in the first year, year and a half anyway!

A direct quote from Cerny shows that they're not aiming for a low price point at all: "I believe that we will be able to release it at an SRP [suggested retail price] that will be appealing to gamers in light of its advanced feature set."

Having a high adoption rate will be possible for Sony by offering a superb console that puts gamers in the front row. By offering back compatibility so all those great PS4 games can be played on the PS5 and by further expanding PS Plus and PS Now.
 
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Yes but a reality without any context whatsoever, a meaningless reality.


A direct quote from Cerny shows that they're not aiming for a low price point at all: "I believe that we will be able to release it at an SRP [suggested retail price] that will be appealing to gamers in light of its advanced feature set."

I believe that quote came before Phil Spencer started flexing the XBSX's components and hinted with the whole 12TF idea. Cerny is the architect of the hardware for the PS5. Jim Ryan, a Sony CEO, came out and stated that Sony is aiming for a level of PS4 to PS5 adoption rate like something that Sony has never seen before. You can't achieve that at $499 and above!
 
Yes but a reality without any context whatsoever, a meaningless reality.

But there is context. It’s an official, in development chip from AMD. It’s heavily tied to PlayStation with both product code numbers and backward compatibility information. Alongside it comes Arden, the alleged Xbox chip, which reputable have said is the correct code name for it.
 
I believe that quote came before Phil Spencer started flexing the XBSX's components and hinted with the whole 12TF idea. Cerny is the architect of the hardware for the PS5. Jim Ryan, a Sony CEO, came out and stated that Sony is aiming for a level of PS4 to PS5 adoption rate like something that Sony has never seen before. You can't achieve that at $499 and above!
That quote was about backward compatibility if you read the full quote . It was taken out of context to push 399 but in that interview he was talking about BC. If you want i can get the direct quote
 

RookX22

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And thatone of the benefit of consoles, they punch their weight.
Oh I agree, the gtx 980 is around 4.5 teraflops but I couldnt see it running graphic heavy games like gow horizon or spiderman at the same graphic fidelity. The 980 will win with higher fps in some games but that is the stupid jaguar's fault and thats the reason i am much more excited about the ryzen cpu and ssd optimization than just pure teraflops.
 

bitbydeath

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I believe that quote came before Phil Spencer started flexing the XBSX's components and hinted with the whole 12TF idea. Cerny is the architect of the hardware for the PS5. Jim Ryan, a Sony CEO, came out and stated that Sony is aiming for a level of PS4 to PS5 adoption rate like something that Sony has never seen before. You can't achieve that at $499 and above!

GTAVI at launch will do that.
Don’t forget this was also stated.

Sony CEO Kenichiro Yoshida went so far as to suggest that it’s a "a niche product aimed at serious players".

 

SgtCaffran

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But there is context. It’s an official, in development chip from AMD. It’s heavily tied to PlayStation with both product code numbers and backward compatibility information. Alongside it comes Arden, the alleged Xbox chip, which reputable have said is the correct code name for it.
That's all correct but it's also all we know and doesn't tell us much about the actual specs of the PS5.
 
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This. PS5 isn't gimping itself for a peripheral add-on no one is asking for to be packed in with every system, and it isn't gimping hardware to make way for multimedia (as in, multimedia is not the driving force behind the system's design like it was for XBO). And PS5 isn't releasing after a predecessor platform's softened up on 1st-party content.

It's gonna be more than fine
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I agree even *if* the 9.2 TFLOP is true.

Why aren't there any leaks/rumors for Xfridge suggesting 15-20 TLFOP God mode with dual gpu? Too much fuckery with PS5. Getting tired of it.
 

SgtCaffran

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I believe that quote came before Phil Spencer started flexing the XBSX's components and hinted with the whole 12TF idea. Cerny is the architect of the hardware for the PS5. Jim Ryan, a Sony CEO, came out and stated that Sony is aiming for a level of PS4 to PS5 adoption rate like something that Sony has never seen before. You can't achieve that at $499 and above!
It doesn't really matter when it was said in my opinion. It's a direct quote from the system architect showing that they're not aiming for a relatively low performance affordable console.

Cerny did not state they're aiming for "an appealing retail price". They're aiming for an appealing price in light of its features (GPU, SSD, backwards compatibility, etc).

Also, it's a very big and unproven/baseless assumption to say they can't achieve fast adoption with a SRP above 400 dollars. Sony is the leading brand in this industry and they're in a much better financial situation then they were in during the PS4 launch.
 
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Tiago07

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I believe that quote came before Phil Spencer started flexing the XBSX's components and hinted with the whole 12TF idea. Cerny is the architect of the hardware for the PS5. Jim Ryan, a Sony CEO, came out and stated that Sony is aiming for a level of PS4 to PS5 adoption rate like something that Sony has never seen before. You can't achieve that at $499 and above!
At $499 I think it's possible, but at $599 is more difficult and above that I think it's not.
 
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Ellery

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Thing is, the consumer that buys a console for $ 500 + dollars tend to be the high spending consumers who have a vast library. The guy who carefully considers $ 399 vs $ 429 is not going to buy 30 games a year.

So a high spec version is needed to atract the 10% of gamers who spend loads. I am sure sony know this, I bet their analysis of pro owners vs late Ps4 adopters money spent per year shows they need the spenders more -

Sony needs the consumer who likes the concept of a PRO / X and they are probably more profitable than 3 price conscious buyers.

I cannot possibly say if this is true or not. Personally, amongst people I know, I have not observed that behavior but rather the other way around. People buying the PRO / X versions for selected great looking AAA exclusive games on their 4K HDR TV and the people that buy the base/slim/older consoles are buying a lot of store stuff like avatars, Fifa microtransactions, lots of indie games etc.
 

DJ12

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But there is context. It’s an official, in development chip from AMD. It’s heavily tied to PlayStation with both product code numbers and backward compatibility information. Alongside it comes Arden, the alleged Xbox chip, which reputable have said is the correct code name for it.
The product codes are pure guess work from Komachi, the only thing linking them is the clock speeds. And if you think that "confirms" it's a PS5 chip then you sir have been listening to R600 too much.

These could be devkit chips that are pre-retail, they could be part of the ongoing investigation to get PS Now on to xcloud, they may even be chips for Sony's own servers that run PS now and yes, they might actually be the PS5 chip also.

Anyone stating as a matter of fact they know it's the PS5 chip is either an overly optimistic xbox fan, overly pessimistic playstation fan, or someone who said so much crap over the last six months, they may as well just stick with the message, although he is more open to other idea's on other forums.
 
The product codes are pure guess work from Komachi, the only thing linking them is the clock speeds. And if you think that "confirms" it's a PS5 chip then you sir have been listening to R600 too much.

These could be devkit chips that are pre-retail, they could be part of the ongoing investigation to get PS Now on to xcloud, they may even be chips for Sony's own servers that run PS now and yes, they might actually be the PS5 chip also.

Anyone stating as a matter of fact they know it's the PS5 chip is either an overly optimistic xbox fan, overly pessimistic playstation fan, or someone who said so much crap over the last six months, they may as well just stick with the message, although he is more open to other idea's on other forums.

I don’t think it confirms anything, I just think it’s the only worthwhile piece of evidence we have. Far more worthwhile than what fakeinsider163 says on any given day. Until some real evidence to the contrary appears then it is the current best bet.
 

bitbydeath

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I don’t think it confirms anything, I just think it’s the only worthwhile piece of evidence we have. Far more worthwhile than what fakeinsider163 says on any given day. Until some real evidence to the contrary appears then it is the current best bet.

Dual GPU and no ray-tracing isn’t going to happen.

Klee and Jason are far more reputable sources of information.
 

DJ12

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Dual GPU and no ray-tracing isn’t going to happen.

Klee and Jason are far more reputable sources of information.
Anyone that has actually contact with loose lipped devs has better information, and to a man they are saying the same thing by and large. Both in the same power bracket within less than 10% either way.

Of course this could be wrong, some devs might not have the latest dev kits for example, but they will have target spec documents, much like we saw from Superdae last time round.

The only issue is finding out which ones really have dev contacts, and who's just chatting shit.
 

PocoJoe

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Dual GPU and no ray-tracing isn’t going to happen.

Klee and Jason are far more reputable sources of information.

Of course that wont happen, but BEAST with dual APU including traytracing could.

2x 8c/16c + 2x ~9tflop monster that destroys anything on its path. 16c/32t 18tflops of pure rage

And the slogan "Feel the beast, fear the beast, be the BEAST"
 
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Dual GPU and no ray-tracing isn’t going to happen.

Klee and Jason are far more reputable sources of information.

The github information has got nothing to do with dual gpu’s. Ray tracing was either simply not in or mentioned in the testing.

Any people you deem as insiders aren’t worth anything unless they provide specific information which cannot be anything other than accurate. Otherwise it’s far too easy to handwave away when it turns out to be wrong. Anybody with a keen interest in gaming could do that with the same level of success.
 

R600

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It doesn't really matter when it was said in my opinion. It's a direct quote from the system architect showing that they're not aiming for a relatively low performance affordable console.

Cerny did not state they're aiming for "an appealing retail price". They're aiming for an appealing price in light of its features (GPU, SSD, backwards compatibility, etc).

Also, it's a very big and unproven/baseless assumption to say they can't achieve fast adoption with a SRP above 400 dollars. Sony is the leading brand in this industry and they're in a much better financial situation then they were in during the PS4 launch.
Few pointers for you :

Check SSD + Phison controller prices

Check prices of current 5700 XT GPUs and compare it to HD7850 and RX 470 (PS4 and Pro equivalents on PC market back then / 200$ difference in GPU only)

Check how much 16GB of fastest 18Gbps chips cost

Check how much 8 core Zen2 costs compared to mobile Jag last gen.

To top it all of, check how much chip costs have risen from 28nm and 16nm.

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I mean, you have tons of people who dont care about consoles saying "wtf, how are they gonna sell it for 399$?" And then you have console gamers saying "Jesus this better be 399$".

Its gonna be 399$ only with serious loses.[/Img]
 
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geordiemp

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I cannot possibly say if this is true or not. Personally, amongst people I know, I have not observed that behavior but rather the other way around. People buying the PRO / X versions for selected great looking AAA exclusive games on their 4K HDR TV and the people that buy the base/slim/older consoles are buying a lot of store stuff like avatars, Fifa microtransactions, lots of indie games etc.

I am one of the ps4 pro buyers, have 2 pro that replaced our 2 day 1 Ps4 (so 4 in the house), and most big games (not played half of them). Dont buy indies, still got a huge backlog of large games.

Got an XB1 as well, dont play it really. My son plays more than me.

Only Sony and MS will have analysis of buying habits or pro / X and standard consoles, they will know for sure, Rest is anecdotal.
 
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bitbydeath

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The github information has got nothing to do with dual gpu’s. Ray tracing was either simply not in or mentioned in the testing.

Any people you deem as insiders aren’t worth anything unless they provide specific information which cannot be anything other than accurate. Otherwise it’s far too easy to handwave away when it turns out to be wrong. Anybody with a keen interest in gaming could do that with the same level of success.

It was uncovered by rogame that Ariel and Oberon were both GPU’s each undergoing testing and enhancements since 2018 til mid 2019.
 
I remember even reading Cerny's interview where he said that they have devkits out in the wild to get dev's used to some of the features of PS5 in 2019 before Big Navi were ready. Would even speculate why Phil Spencer is showing off his non working APU in 2020 because they may be starting production of Sony and MS custom chips before rolling out the actual AMD Big Navy for production yield purposes. I dont know - It just makes sense to me that way. I think everyone has been going crazy over Sony's old devkit without Big Navi and Microsofts Big Navi custom chip picture. Sony is just playing quite while MS is enjoying their excitement for their Big Navi custom apu. All will be good and competitive I forsee!
Where did he say "Big Navi"?
 

Gamernyc78

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And MS cant cool their APU, yet PS5 no problemo.

Why is tht unbelievable? Sony created better hardware almost every Gen. The X was just stronger and better bcus it costs more and came out over a year later. Much of its design was mimicking ps4 inner hardware BTW. Remember the biggest faulty consoles in history called rrod was under Microsoft. PS4 was also better designed and stronger than Xbox one, etc...
 
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