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[SlimySnake]

XSX one? Is there a link you can provide for that by chance?

Otherwise, the main issue I have with your idea here is that a lot of other people who've estimated the chip's size put it at around 405mm2 and are going with 56CUs; any extra CUs would be tuned for ray-tracing (they have confirmed hardware-based ray-tracing and most here are assuming it'll be on the APU given that). I don't think 405mm2 is big enough for 64-70CUs AND units dedicated for ray-tracing AND all the other parts of the APU unless they severely scale back on, say, CPU L3$ to some ridiculously low 4MB amount.

That's why they'd need higher than 1450MHz for the GPU clock. I'd like to be proven wrong and they actually do have enough there for 64 or so CUs plus the ray-tracing and everything else for the APU, but you're the first (and only) person I've seen arriving to that number. Everyone else I've seen kind of lines it up with 60CUs and 4 disabled.

Its this leak from April. Hmgqq, a known ms insider, confirmed it recently.

Reddit Anaconda dev kit (Dante) leak.

DANTE ( XDK ) CPU: Custom AMD Zen 2 8C/16T @ 3.2GHz GPU: Custom AMD Navi @ 1475MHz MEMORY: 48GB GDDR6 @ 672GB/s STORAGE: SSD 4TB NVMe @ 3GB/s - 2x more memory and 2x faster bandwidth than XBX. - Navi has 64 CUs with same tflops as GCN that would mean almost exactly 12 Tflops (~12.095), again...

www.neogaf.com

You don't need dedicated CUs for ray tracing. Amd patents show that the ray tracing hardware is built into the Texture mapping units which are part of each CU already. People like proelite have looked at nvidia's rt cores and have come up with 10% extra space needed for rt hardware in each cu.

Its possible that ms fucked up and went with a full 70mm2 cpu while Sony went with a cut down 40mm2 cou and used the space for extra CUs. But i don't think ms engineers are that stupid.

 

[demigod]

No he isn't. Lmao

Lololol. Might as well say Tidux is reliable too.

 

[TeamGhobad]

Show us some better gameplay from 12TF+Phison Controller...….

this is what im expecting:

 

[SlimySnake]

I dont know about GCN or RDNA TF, fact is his 9TF matches most credible leak we had. As for changing his tune to 1080TI, I dunno when that happened nor do I care. Havent listened to him or any other "insider" here. If the guy that is verified is full of shit, imagine guys who cant or wont get verified but make up stories 24/7 here about next gen. From specs, to launch games to price...

I just wished you guys were half as critical to guys that still receive utmost praise here even though they have been wrong numerous times. I guess its obvious, considering they tell you what you want to hear.

No, I wouldnt. I care 0% what he or anyone insider here says. I am trying to make a point that people are looking for any way to discredit a guy that is, compared to other "insiders" people love to upvote, actually verified. Not that it matters, but it gives you an actual picture of what is going on here. People have made their opinion and are feeding their bias with whatever they can. I dont. I havent quote or argue for these insiders oke way or another, I tried to look into hard data we have instead of pedling with wannabe insiders here.

really? We have either chased out or tried to ban many so called insiders here. Tommy Fisher, the come from the future guy, sdcp and even osiris black all get dogpiled on.

Osiris is the only one who is taken somewhat seriously around here and that's because of what he revealed in the past and because mods refuse to ban him. But I have personally tagged mod of war to try and get him to stop posting riddles. I called him out and was joined by many when he posted that riddle that turned out to be Xbox is out in the wild. But he seems to be protected by the mods like Heisenberg and he's the only one who gave us a detailed description of a game so at some point you have to trust mods and trust him.

Tommy Fisher, scdp, and come from the future though are ridiculed every time they open their mouth. And they were all peddling the ps5> xbox theory.

 

[DeepEnigma]

So let me get this straight.

Let’s say you are playing Last of Us Part II, and you have this setting enabled, a friend can invite you to Red Dead Online, it will load up in the background, pop up the PiP on RDO, and you instantly switch into RDO while it suspends TLoU?

Now the whole (can suspend up to 4 games rumor) makes more sense now.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Sorry you feel I am "protected" by the mods SlimySnake

Maybe its because I have proven to Mod of War where my info comes from and how high up the food chain that actually is.

And no I don't have to share where that info came from or even how much I care to share as I have shared things with Mod of War that will never see the light of day to the public.

But again I will just wait until we get reveals from here on out.

 

[xool]

Its this leak from April. Hmgqq, a known ms insider, confirmed it recently.

Reddit Anaconda dev kit (Dante) leak.

DANTE ( XDK ) CPU: Custom AMD Zen 2 8C/16T @ 3.2GHz GPU: Custom AMD Navi @ 1475MHz MEMORY: 48GB GDDR6 @ 672GB/s STORAGE: SSD 4TB NVMe @ 3GB/s - 2x more memory and 2x faster bandwidth than XBX. - Navi has 64 CUs with same tflops as GCN that would mean almost exactly 12 Tflops (~12.095), again...

www.neogaf.com

Those specs leaks are a typo or wrong 48 GB of RAM - with 2GB chips that 24x32bit = 768 bit bus width even with the lowest speed 14Gbps GDDR6 that's over 1000GB/s bandwidth

(and 48GB is pushing believability too even for dev kit)

Numbers/maths are just wrong though afaict. Insider or not.

 

[VFXVeteran]

I'm not hating VFXVeteran, however what he has said in regards to Horizon 1 on PC (better graphics than Horizon 2 on PS5) is something really hard to believe. Yes, there's a REALLY SMALL CHANCE Horizon 1 on PC can look better than Horizon 2 on PS5. Rockstar already proved game can launch on current gen consoles (GTA5), but when higher quality assets are already there then PC version can look drastically better. However we know most of the time developers arnt going "full Rockstar" with their PC ports, but rather just add some simple tweaks. Based on probability there's a 99% chance Horizon 1 on PC will look like other PS4 ports on PC, yet for some strange reason VFXVeteran is certain Horizon 2 running on PS5 will look worse . So there are only two options here. VFXVeteran either saw Horizon 1 running on PC and Horizon 2 already running on PS5, and therefore he base his opinion on hard facts, or he made that up. Which one scenario is more probable to you?

I will clear up this misquote one last time. I stated that HZD on PC *could* (ALWAYS used that word which is ignored) look better than HZ2 on PS5. I even gave the specific reasons for this reasoning.

1) HZD most likely has assets that weren't able to be run on a console, so we've never seen them.
2) HZD2 will use the same graphics engine but have *different* assets according to the game's directors. A sequel doesn't mean it's going to be a LEAP in fidelity simply because it's #2 unless they change the entire graphics engine. My statement was assuming using the same graphics tech where only the assets have changed.
3) People STILL don't believe that a better iteration of a 1st party game is out there and so they assume nothing extra has being made. Sometimes that's true, but not always.
4) IF the performance of next-gen consoles is at a peak of 1080Ti performance, that is not enough to warrant a leap in fidelity over a PC version of any game. Period. You guys somehow believe that a closed system with 1080Ti performance will max out ALL 3d graphics features on a game @4k/60FPS. Definitely not true.
5) All platforms are bandwidth limited in games and the plaform that has the largest bandwidth will be strong enough to run ALL the features a game developer has for a game. The PS5/XSX aren't going to be the strongest platform to run a game with 100% fidelity that the studio produced -- a high end PC will be.

Call it PC master race, call it being "critical" of consoles, whatever. Those are the facts and I speak them whether people like the results or not. I suspect well into the next-gen when people look at the DF videos of 1st party and 3rd party comparisons, the acceptance will sink in.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

A QR code on a boot screen seems really stupid to me.

Not unless every dashboard was unique, so that you could connect all of your devices to it/run all of your devices through it. The QR code could be the quick set up to download your own 'app'/Dashboard to your devices

 

[Gavin Stevens]

So let me get this straight.

Let’s say you are playing Last of Us Part II, and you have this setting enabled, a friend can invite you to Red Dead Online, it will load up in the background, pop up the PiP on RDO, and you instantly switch into RDO while it suspends TLoU?

Now the whole (can suspend up to 4 games rumor) makes more sense now.

You could have four instances suspended but you can’t play four games at once. Just because you’re only on a title screen, that still takes grunt to render. Imagine for example Borderlands3. It’s title screen is rendered entirely inengine. It’s just not a good idea to render that PiP while you’re playing, that’s... Not very good.

Now what’s more likely, is that certain parts of games are saved into local suspend memory as a save state, so that it will load instantly to the multiplayer server browser, for example.

Its all very vague and could go either way, but as it stands, it seems very much like something I wouldn’t personally use, but others could see some benefit in.

Now,if you want to talk emulator style save states, then let’s rock and roll

 

[VFXVeteran]

Sorry you feel I am "protected" by the mods SlimySnake

Maybe its because I have proven to Mod of War where my info comes from and how high up the food chain that actually is.

And no I don't have to share where that info came from or even how much I care to share as I have shared things with Mod of War that will never see the light of day to the public.

But again I will just wait until we get reveals from here on out.

I'm with you on this one HeisenbergFX4 . I won't give any more info at all even after announcements. I'm ok with being ridiculed from people who think I'm "smug", "elitist", "pcmasterrace", etc.. because I know all of this hate is because what I say is what people don't want to hear (specifically the rude people). The mods approval of me is all I need.

 

[SlimySnake]

Sorry you feel I am "protected" by the mods SlimySnake

Maybe its because I have proven to Mod of War where my info comes from and how high up the food chain that actually is.

And no I don't have to share where that info came from or even how much I care to share as I have shared things with Mod of War that will never see the light of day to the public.

But again I will just wait until we get reveals from here on out.

i didn't mean it like that. I meant You were verified by the mods and have their blessing and thus their protection.

That's why i said that we simply have to trust the mods and trust guys like you and osiris.

I meant no offense. I was literally taking your side when making that argument. Just poor choice of words on my part. R600 was saying that he doesn't give a shit about any insiders here and trying to make us sound like we give certain insiders a pass because of their ps5> xox predictions. You have predicted the exact opposite. Tell me if I've ever ridiculed you or if anyone has ganged up on you for saying that.

You are one of the most respected posters here. Which is why what r600 is saying simply doesn't add up.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

i didn't mean it like that. I meant You were verified by the mods and have their blessing and thus their protection.

That's why i said that we simply have to trust the mods and trust guys like you and osiris.

I meant no offense. I was literally taking your side when making that argument. Just poor choice of words on my part.

I gotcha sorry not fully awake yet and took it as an attack, my bad sorry.

 

[Evilms]

Looks pretty fake ?

 

[xool]

I will clear up this misquote one last time. I stated that HZD on PC *could* (ALWAYS used that word which is ignored) look better than HZ2 on PS5. I even gave the specific reasons for this reasoning.

..

My statement was assuming using the same graphics tech where only the assets have changed.
..

Fair enough. Thanks for responding.

Have you played Death Stranding btw - Kojima's team really improved on some gfx elements .. smoke and water is now actually good/present, and weather effects is now not trash either .. Though it's obviously still the same engine (decima)

[edit]

I know all of this hate is because what I say is what people don't want to hear

Well human nature is what it is. -- "I-CAN'T-HEAR-YOU"

For what it's worth my gut agreeing with you that PS5 is 9-10TF .. I've already said that clearly. Ready to eat the bird pie.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Was this posted? Debunked?



If it was real, I hope that's excluding a fast boot mode to comply with EU power laws or something, it's quick but not as quick as this magic Broadband SSD would make me think. Granted I rarely cold boot, but it seems not that much faster than my PS4 on a Momentus XT hybrid hard drive. As I've grown I'm kinda finding it takes a metal effort to get into a game for me now, and part of the appeal of the 9th gen so far has been reducing the friction to get into a game.


2) I'm going to be more than a little pissed if it uses that slow ass webview as the system UI again lol, just code it native using the good graphics APIs from the start of the generation, makes the experience just nicer for tens of millions of players!

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Sadly HeisenbergFX4 & VFXVeteran , it doesn’t matter if you are 100% accurate or telling tales from your arse. There will always be people that will take your side, or slag you off, based entirely on nothing more than allegiance to a piece of plastic. Regardless if you’re right or wrong, if people don’t hear what they want to hear, some aren’t mature enough to cope with that.

I for one am greatful for whatever you guys share, even if some of it’s in riddle form. You don’t owe anybody anything, you don’t have some sort of duty to us all.

So, if we hear nothing again from any verified insiders, I’ll just say thanks for the chats and the thinking, it’s been wild.

 

[Mod of War]

Sorry you feel I am "protected" by the mods SlimySnake

Maybe its because I have proven to Mod of War where my info comes from and how high up the food chain that actually is.

And no I don't have to share where that info came from or even how much I care to share as I have shared things with Mod of War that will never see the light of day to the public.

But again I will just wait until we get reveals from here on out.

Yep. He is not “protected”. He is held by the same standards as anyone in this thread.

With that said, Bigly source.

 

[Hobbygaming]

I start to believe that ps5 will not be released this year but at the end of the fiscal year, around March 2021.
March will be the final frontier for the revelation as everything would leak through extra official channels at GDC and this could be both good and bad for sony marketing.
If the console was on track, it wouldn't make much difference to talk or show some details, even with the competition, everything would already be in its initial production order by now, taking into account a global launch in late 2020.

The PS4 reveal wasn't until February 20th, it will probably still happen

 

[xool]

Bigly source

lol. get outta here

 

[Mod of War]

lol. get outta here

 

[JLMC469]

The only thing I’m fairly confident in saying is the PS5’s SSD will be better then the XSX.

Its been SONY’s focal point since they started talking about the PS5.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Man the game is still in development!!! Wtf don’t you get about that?

How do you even function as a person when you’re so fucking dramatic over a work in progress game as if all the games you e played and own are graphical masterpieces!

Bunch of whiners man!

It’s drive-by shitpost bait trying to drum up drama from 30 pages back.

Stop falling for it. Report and move on.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Yep. He is not “protected”. He is held by the same standards as anyone in this thread.

With that said, Bigly source.

Interesting. I don't remember anything big that came from Heisenberg (sorry!) but could have missed some posts. Does the source apply for both consoles or just one?

I'll have to go look back in the thread.

 

[Thedtrain]

Sorry you feel I am "protected" by the mods SlimySnake

Maybe its because I have proven to Mod of War where my info comes from and how high up the food chain that actually is.

And no I don't have to share where that info came from or even how much I care to share as I have shared things with Mod of War that will never see the light of day to the public.

But again I will just wait until we get reveals from here on out.

We’re you given a rubber ducky by the man himself?

Don’t answer that, I’d like to imagine you and Cerny are boys.

 

[jackets with pockets]

Looks pretty fake ?

Tip: When you're about to post a video, run a search for the video id, which is R89ikyYbO3A in this case.

 

[DeepEnigma]

You could have four instances suspended but you can’t play four games at once. Just because you’re only on a title screen, that still takes grunt to render. Imagine for example Borderlands3. It’s title screen is rendered entirely inengine. It’s just not a good idea to render that PiP while you’re playing, that’s... Not very good.

Now what’s more likely, is that certain parts of games are saved into local suspend memory as a save state, so that it will load instantly to the multiplayer server browser, for example.

Its all very vague and could go either way, but as it stands, it seems very much like something I wouldn’t personally use, but others could see some benefit in.

Now,if you want to talk emulator style save states, then let’s rock and roll

Never said you could play four games at once, I specifically said it suspends them as you go into others.

That way they can be instantly accessed from where you left off.

I don’t have four heads and eight arms.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Interesting. I don't remember anything big that came from Heisenberg (sorry!) but could have missed some posts. Does the source apply for both consoles or just one?

I'll have to go look back in the thread.

Think he just meant "bigly" as in possibly a prominent or really solid source that people'd probably recognize if they ever revealed themselves.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Oh c'mon they were both using weak ass components that didnt push performance or heat for what we should have really gotten as a next gen leap. Both companies played it way too safe and MS just had a bigger chassis.

If you really want a true next gen leap you should check your expectations on form factor and just accept whatever is necessary to get us to 12tf territory.

Cooling solutions can be more complex than just having a bigger box and showing how you may have one console improving performance by a factor of 5x and shrinking the box down considerably (OG Xbox vs Xbox One X... compare performance and box volume).
Xbox One X ask looks smaller than PS4 Pro despite being almost 40% faster.

 

[Fake]

I don’t have four heads and eight arms.

Wait a sec, are you not a mutant?

 

[Insane Metal]

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Never said you could play four games at once, I specifically said it suspends them as you go into others.

That way they can be instantly accessed from where you left off.

I don’t have four heads and eight arms.

And I never said that. But if you’re playing a game, and have another game loaded PiP in the corner, it has to render that game still, regardless. And so, no.

 

[xool]

ok ELI5 wtf "orange chicken is life" and "deep yasu weirdo" "keep yasu weird" means - is this more teasing or have they all joined a cult ?

 

[DeepEnigma]

And I never said that. But if you’re playing a game, and have another game loaded PiP in the corner, it has to render that game still, regardless. And so, no.

It might just show a snippet, not the actual game itself. Like a gif or the like all handled in the SDK for devs. Or a stream kinda like Twitch, then launched you are instantly in it and the other game suspends.

 

[Tenka Musou]

Sorry you feel I am "protected" by the mods SlimySnake

Maybe its because I have proven to Mod of War where my info comes from and how high up the food chain that actually is.

And no I don't have to share where that info came from or even how much I care to share as I have shared things with Mod of War that will never see the light of day to the public.

But again I will just wait until we get reveals from here on out.

Yep. He is not “protected”. He is held by the same standards as anyone in this thread.

With that said, Bigly source.

XBseX GPU >>> PS5 GPU confirmed...

Oh well, it sucks that the console you intend to buy is weaker. Hopefully the difference is less that 1TF.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

Think he just meant "bigly" as in possibly a prominent or really solid source that people'd probably recognize if they ever revealed themselves.

Oh I understood that, I just said nothing big because Heisenberg has been (deliberately) pretty vague with what he says and always ends posts with 'just guesses' from what I've seen recently.

Just surprised if it is known he has a very solid source then why not be more assertive and confident? With how many claimed gaming insiders we have here now, and none fully vetted/confirmed legit that I've seen, it would be nice to have one!

 

[DiddyInAHellcat]

Looks pretty fake ?

Definitely fake look at the Google play store icon bottom left corner

 

[Gavin Stevens]

It might just show a snippet, not the actual game itself. Like a gif or the like all handled in the SDK for devs.

Even if it’s a static picture, it still has to actually load and run, regardless of if it’s being rendered on screen. It won’t have to render assets but code is still being run.

That’s why I’m sure this would essentially be a snapshot save shortcut running modifying code. So for example, “Steve has invited you to play Moden Warfare” comes up, and if you accept the invite it loads a saved snapshot of the multiplayer lobby, thus cutting all waiting and loading out of the way.

 

[Ruben43cb]

I have not looked at 1 insider post and believed a thing. Even the digital foundry crap. Even the vetted insiders on this board. No matter what they say 90% of the time they are wrong. And the few that are legit or right.... things change. A initial dev kit is not a consumer console. If I worked at Activision, now I'm an Insider and i know what is in the boxes? A janitor not involved in making the games gave us the biggest leaks we have so far! How awesome is that.

When MS and Sony say what's inside the retail versions... then that's whats inside.

This thread was supposed to be discussion about next gen. Thoughts, wishes, etc. NOT a damn "insiders" give input and everyone argues about how fast a freaking ssd may be. I agree with the "insiders" just not posting garbage. Ruining this thread, and the 13yr old mental capacity adults who cant handle info about their console maybe being slower are ruining it too.

Let's have fun and speculate. Find clues. Learn about upcoming games etx.

 

[FranXico]

XBseX GPU >>> PS5 GPU confirmed...

Oh well, it sucks that the console you intend to buy is weaker. Hopefully the difference is less that 1TF.

He believes that they are indeed very close. I hope so.

 

[DeepEnigma]

XBseX GPU >>> PS5 GPU confirmed...

Oh well, it sucks that the console you intend to buy is weaker. Hopefully the difference is less that 1TF.

Not that many > symbols, mate.

 

[LordOfChaos]

Definitely fake look at the Google play store icon bottom left corner

The QR code appears to be pointing you towards getting the companion app, so it's not ruled out for that particular reason.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Damn thy got big. Big things are coming, I'm fucking excited!!!

 

[Nickolaidas]

I stand by my guess that the PS5 reveal / state of play / whatever will be at the 27th of February (Thursday). That's the date Larian Studios said they'll give new info (and probably the first gameplay reveal) for Baldur's Gate 3, and I'm sticking to my theory. They intend to reveal Baldur's Gate 3 as a PS5-also title, and give us the first gameplay on Sony's console.

 

[Jtibh]

I'm with you on this one HeisenbergFX4 . I won't give any more info at all even after announcements. I'm ok with being ridiculed from people who think I'm "smug", "elitist", "pcmasterrace", etc.. because I know all of this hate is because what I say is what people don't want to hear (specifically the rude people). The mods approval of me is all I need.

I am scrolling these pages for weeks now. Day by day.
And i honestly can say none of you bring any valeu to the topic.
Nice you guys admit that you share most of your stuff with the mods but dont care to share with us.
To me vetted or not means absolutely nothing if all you guys are tooting that you cant, wont give any further information.
Yes all of you guys come accross as smug elitist , that we are the peasants who will worship the shit out of you for every little speck of dust you give us .
I am used to this shit in politics. I am used to share information at a need to know bases with my employees.
But as gaming community where i thought we can be involved with the people who bring joy to our lifes , who can share their process, ideas, problems, future plans about making games, its insulting.

But i agree with one thing.
Wait till the reveal. Whenever that will be. We all have lives and i just cant see how anyone can go crazy about wanting to know dates , specs etc. like a junkie.
All the media all the corps be it sony with their logo reveal xbox with a render and a pic of a chip as necklace and all the so called joke of insiders clearly show we are cattle and just consumers.
The good old days when gaming was about the gamers are over.

I have enough self respect not to give a shit or get uppset if i get played. Do the rest of you?

 

[ANIMAL1975]

Damn thy got big. Big things are coming, I'm fucking excited!!!

Do you know how many they used to be mate?

 

[Tragic Denial]

I stand by my guess that the PS5 reveal / state of play / whatever will be at the 27th of February (Thursday). That's the date Larian Studios said they'll give new info (and probably the first gameplay reveal) for Baldur's Gate 3, and I'm sticking to my theory. They intend to reveal Baldur's Gate 3 as a PS5-also title, and give us the first gameplay on Sony's console.

BG3 should actually be at Pax West,27 Feb

 

[TheThreadsThatBindUs]

Volume is a way to solve the heating equation, but look at OG Xbox One vs PS4 and PS4 Pro to Xbox One X: you have lower volume/smaller box AND still a faster HW/higher performance.

I’m not entirely sure the heating equation is relevant on this subject.

Console chassis volume heavily influences the balance between volumetric air flow versus pressure drop throughout the flow path (which in turn influences fan power but more importantly the console’s acoustic performance).

Air velocity over the fins of the heat sink very strongly influence the rate of heat transfer from the heat sink into the flowing air HT medium. For a fixed volumetric air flow, thus fan speed, a smaller chassis will increase air velocity and thus heat transfer. This, however, needs to balanced against the higher pressure drop of a smaller chassis that increases fan power and worsens accoustic performance.

The Xbox Series X was able to be smaller but utilising the vapour chamber heat sink design, with a much higher overall heat flux due to the ability to dissipate heat in 3-dimensions. Overall, with a well designed vapour chamber, you are reducing the thermal resistances between the processor and heat sink, thus increasing the rate of heat transfer away from the chip allowing it to run at a lower temperature. This is really the main thermal bottleneck in console system design, because heat transfer by convection in air is always going to be better than conduction through solid metal. It means you can dissipate more heat for a lower air flow, thus allowing for a smaller form factor.

 

[Gamernyc78]

Do you know how many they used to be mate?

Thought thy were around 50 members from what I recall few years ago but I couldn't tell you. I know I never thought thy were 90.

 

[GermanZepp]

PS5 godfall ingame gameplay, not impressed.

https://v.redd.it/n8kexoac2xb41/DASH_1080?source=fallback

is this what 13tflops + rt gives?

Yes, this is the best we are going to see nextgen.