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Audiophile
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Are we there yet?
Tragic Denial
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DaGwaphics
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It's about percentages. Traditionally, a part with 50% more performance (the OG Xbone was at 1.2 initially with .1 TF reserved for Kinnect) will show noticeable differences. A Part that is 33% different not as much.
With that said these consoles could both be 12 or 13, or 9, or 10. LOL
whoever81
Member
We are somewhere. That's for sure.
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Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
No way they release a console design with “PSV” on it 
they want to get far away from that train wreck lol.
Also, first thing I thought of when I saw that pic was the console looks like a helmet from dark souls haha.
they want to get far away from that train wreck lol.Also, first thing I thought of when I saw that pic was the console looks like a helmet from dark souls haha.
Gamernyc78
Banned
He said it wouldn't be either for demon souls.
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JLB
Banned
I mean... a Bloomberg endorsement doesnt look particularly interesting. In any case it would be fun if that happens. Bloombergs ad is about antigun, imagine endorse PS5 showing a new KillZone right next to it. Rock and roll!
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
*insert old post about SSD here*
No chance on that one, the SSD won’t be utilised at all other than a few choice first party games.
Anyway, you’re probably right about the other part, PS5 could be a damn toaster with a Sony badge and it will sell out.
Ellery
Member
because in % it is a bigger difference and at some point it kind of acts like diminishing returns. The difference between 9 and 12 TF would actually be much smaller than people think. Third party titles would have different resolutions. Like the Xbox One X and PS4 Pro and the difference between the PS4 Pro and the Xbox One X is bigger than the % difference between 9 and 12 TF.
The biggest problem for Microsoft is that they can't really afford to have a worse console than Sony, but the other way around it would be not a big deal. Sony has much more brand loyalty and the exclusive games are in a different realm. I bet even if the Xbox Series X came in at 14TF and the PS5 at 8TF then the PS5 would still outsell the Xbox Series X.
Reindeer
Member
More garbage cans
CyberPanda
Banned
Looks better than the bed pan dev kit.
Tiago07
Member
For me the best concept is still this
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HawarMiran
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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If you're this willing to put the benchmark leaks under such scrutiny, why aren't you willing to do the same with insider rumors? If you're selectively dismissing certain information in favor of other information, then you should just admit it is being done out of a bias.
I haven't ignored the more questionable parts of the Github leak and benchmark tests; well aware that 100% context isn't present. That's why I say they are probable: basing that off of how stuff just like this played out last gen, and the gen before that. Precedent, history repeating itself, patterns etc. And I haven't 100% dismissed insiders; quite the opposite, actually. With the credible ones, when they post stuff I question, I either ask them for elaboration directly, or speculate fairly how they could be arriving to/hearing those rumors.
From looking at your post, you already assume Sony intentionally had those benchmarks leak out...why would they also mix in Xbox-related tests? Why would they ask AMD to do that? Why would Microsoft agree to that? That's the kind of stuff that could result in court cases, these companies are not petty or nearly at each other's throats enough to jeopardize their business relationships that way.
We have had other sources besides that one Github leak: further GPU benchmarks with Ariel and Oberon (and other chips like Arden, Sparkman etc.) consistently showing similar testing data. Those are AMD's own repositories of benchmark testing data...seems like a pretty good source to me. Unless you're implying people like Komachi have an agenda to smear a company like Sony...all the same, you could speculate some insiders have an agenda to smear Microsoft. Anything's possible in that sense, but I'm going to venture that Komachi, Rogane etc. are not intending to do that, and I don't think most of the insiders are trying to do something like that, either (except perhaps Tommy).
I've speculated on dual-GPU possibility, but I've also questioned why something like, say, dual Oberons, would "only" produce a high-end of 12-13TF knowing that would be both chips clocked well below the sweetspot. So what's left? Dual-GPU Oberon + Ariel (assuming Ariel isn't an earlier version of Oberon)? Same issue. Oberon + Gonzalo? Possibly. But that's as far as dual-GPU speculation can go with what has been uncovered right now.
What's more possible is that there's probably a cluster of CUs on Oberon that were deactivated. That's why I quoted that APU graphic in one of my other posts: it's more likely than a dual-GPU approach given what we know right now. The only thing that graphic doesn't seem to entertain is possibility that a similar disabling of CUs might've been done with the Arden chip. In any case, it's a likely possibility.
Again I'll just say: back in 2012/2013 when benchmarks for PS4 and XBO were coming out, and (a bit later) some of the system features leaks were coming out, did we see similar dismissal of benchmarks and leaks from people (particularly Xbox fans who couldn't believe what they were seeing)? You bet we did. Yet we see how those shook out in the end. I've never once claimed the Github and benchmark datamined leaks are 100% what the next-gen systems will have, but they're somewhat pretty indicative of what is in store for them, absolutely. And we've already considered wiggle room scenarios in terms of those benchmarks that can give credence to some of the more reasonable insider claims, too.
It's not an either/or binary thing, there's room for both to be accurate on some things. But for reasons I've already mentioned plenty of times, I would weigh the benchmarks more on the scale than insider rumors. By how much, I'm still in flux with. But it is what it is.
First time I've seen this one; looks pretty damn good. Wouldn't mind this being the retail design whatsoever
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MonkeyPunch
Neo Member
I'm just happy having speshal ed trying to push it off as fake news back then. Oh well, let's give him time to sell Xbox Era merchandise. Wathcing them trying to defend themselves was hilarious though.
I read stuff here now and then, and I'm keeping to my promise to only leak out what happened there if theyre proven wrong.
Until then I will just lurk until the time comes.
01011001
Banned
there are 2 likely scenarios,
either scenario A: both systems will be $399 and are both in the 8 to 9 TF range (with the only difference being clock speed and maybe some tinkering with the hardware on each, maybe they will actually push these GPUs to their limits and go above 2GHz pushing for 10TF)
this is the scenario we should expect in order to not get disappointed when they finally reveal the systems. this is the conservative approach and 9 times out of 10 companies will go the conservative route.
or scenario B: Sony will go $399 in the 9 TF range and Microsoft will take a risk and release a 12TF $599 system (a 12TF AMD GPU even next year will most likely be very expensive especially if it turns out to be RNDA2, we are talking numbers here that not a single consumer RDNA Graphics Card has at the moment, meaning this is above AMD's own current high end GPUs) with a possible lower end version at either also $399 or slightly below that. which actually could release at a later date even.
this scenario is possible but it would be a huge gamble and since the Xbox One didn't sell super bad Microsoft might not be willing to take a risk this big for maybe little to no gains.
whatever will come true I bet Sony's system has more custom designs in it than Microsoft's system, just going by past systems. and I can't see Sony going above $399 because their investors would commit sudoku on them if they did that again... Microsoft on the other hand has to do something so they could take a risk, like a last push to gain back marketshare.
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jackets with pockets
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HawarMiran
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Im on phoneRight-click > View Image > Copy URL
01011001
Banned
Im on phone
this also works on phones... you just have to switch out "right click" for "touch and hold" the image... then view image/open in new tab/copy image URL (depending what browser and/or phone you are on)
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TheRaidenPT
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Makes sense to be quiet until the big BOOM.
However I'm curious when they are finally announcing an event for it... If there is one.
xool
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Which facts did I get wrong ?
jackets with pockets
Banned
Tap and hold = right click.Im on phone
Psyrgery ES
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This plus Sam Lake at New York = Megaton?
ANIMAL1975
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Who's BG
On the edit opions above, the 3 dots > scroll down > choose media > choose a gifs siteIm on phone
McHuj
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Private event in the Sony Hall is at 9pm. Friday night at 9pm EST is not a good time to announce anything. No one is paying attention in the US and everyone in Euro will be a sleep or drunk.
They may have some sort of announcement tomorrow, I'm not going to discount that potential (like the rumored Remedy acquisition), but not at 9pm.
They may have some sort of announcement tomorrow, I'm not going to discount that potential (like the rumored Remedy acquisition), but not at 9pm.
demigod
Member
This guy.
Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD
Plot twist: Sony reveals they've binned off the PS5 completely and will be just making PC games from now on ;)
Yeah 9PM EST is a bad time. Who knows, we'll see.
schaft0620
Member
Many in press have said for weeks including just the other day, that they don't have invites yet. This is not how it works. These people don't just drop everything and get to NY in a weeks notice.
Edit: I see we are in agreement, quoted wrong post.
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Hawking Radiation
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Just posting so my previous comment will just fucking go away.
I hate it that comments not posted are just saved to the reply window and just refuses to go away even when deleting all the text and closing the browser. I even deleted my entire browser history. It's so annoying.
I hate it that comments not posted are just saved to the reply window and just refuses to go away even when deleting all the text and closing the browser. I even deleted my entire browser history. It's so annoying.
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TherapistGaymer
Banned
This makes the most since to me out of anything I've read here - WOW
demigod
Member
Click the floppy disk and hit Delete Draft if you're on PC. I wish mobile had this.
Koopatrol
Member
What does this mean?
It's perfectly fine to doubt Klee like Colbert has, but I find it absolutely hilarious how the guy felt the need to announce that he had Klee on his ignore list on the other site, and then goes to post shit like this. Seems like he is way too invested in his Github narrative
Gamernyc78
Banned
Fucking hate tht and it shouldn't be something so hard to correct.
ZywyPL
Banned
That looks like Kylo Ren's helmet with PS Vita logo.
schaft0620
Member
can someone bring me up to speed if i have missed something? much appreciated
You haven't missed anything relevant.
ThaMonkeyClaw
Member
can someone bring me up to speed if i have missed something? much appreciated
PS5 is now powered by cold fusion, will be 25TF and comes out in March...
Actually nothing really new, same TF bickering that has been going on for months now
Bladed Thesis
Member
Amazing.
ANIMAL1975
Member
can someone bring me up to speed if i have missed something? much appreciated
Gamernyc78
drinks some Belgium beer but isn't really much into beer,,,, more a whisky guy.Oh! And water is too expensive in Europe.
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FranXico
lives next to the Belgian brewery. I think that's it now.
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darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
How big were the differences between Pro and the 45 % more powerful One X? Any difference will be just down to resolution. XSX could target native 4K/60, PS5 upscaled 4K/60 (like Pro), XSS native 1080p/60.
SolidJaum
Neo Member
I'm kinda new here. Can someone say what is this about? It's related to BC?
01011001
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chemical boy
Member
Everyone pending on PS5, if I were MS I would be worried ...
TherapistGaymer
Banned
I'm going with this theory officially now - it really makes since.....
"Yes, I very much expect this. Indeed, it even affects my thoughts about nextgen in general. The recent GitHub leak of testing notes were for what is surely PS5 APU hardware running in three modes: 18 CU at 800 MHz, 36 CU at 911 Mhz, and 36 CU at 2.0 GHz.The first mode corresponds exactly to PS4, and the second mode exactly to PS4 Pro, which is why we know this is PS5 hardware. The third mode is referred to as "native" or "full chip", so many have assumed this is the complete capability of PS5. They're thus disappointed because twice the Pro power--plus architectural improvements--is lower than often hoped or rumored.
However, my thinking is that the PS5 OS will feature a "Boost Mode" setting, like Pro does. This makes sense to me because of simple precedent, but also because PS5 will have backwards compatibility so there's even more of a use case. Without user-selectable Boost Mode, either PS5 would play PS4 games worse than PS4 Pro does, which would be pretty weird. Or it'd play them better automatically, which also doesn't fit Sony's recent MO. They seem institutionally concerned with ensuring good compatibility, which is why Boost Mode wasn't there to begin with, and why it's still optional with a warning message, even though almost no games react poorly.
On Pro, the boost is achieved by running 18 CUs at 911 MHz; that is, deactivating CUs to match the target platform, but leaving the clocks native. It doesn't seem likely to me that PS5 will completely ignore Pro-enhanced titles, though. They can have dynamic resolutions or unstable framerates too, so why wouldn't you boost them as well? To do that, you'd again deactivate CUs to match the target platform, but leave the clocks native. With the target being Pro, that could mean 36 CU at 2.0 GHz. Just like the Pro's 18 CUs at 911 MHz, this isn't the true physical setup of the GPU, but chosen for compatibility."
Imtjnotu
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Xbox sex is the top of the fridge and this is the bottom vents of the fridgeFor me the best concept is still this
Sirolf
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MonkeyPunch
Neo Member
Also on Era, take notice how many pro Sony posts are warned or banned.
The good thing with having a hivemind is that they are happy to mass report everything.
The good thing with having a hivemind is that they are happy to mass report everything.
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