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[Hobbygaming]

GTS

It's like watching a real race

 

[l2ounD]

 

[Birdo]

The car leaning when you turn the wheel....... It's the little things like that which blow me away.

 

[Turk1993]

Cool. I don't think I have even half of your hours in the game.
I honestly would love for you to capture some clips (not just screenshots) where you can be comfortably saying "these are the best quality moments/shots I can take out of this game".

Those are sceenshots that i took 3 days ago, video's i would see later on.

All gameplay
Still

in motion (motion blur madness)

 

[Turk1993]

Yes, older games without tessellation have, but newer Forza games have less poly counts than 260K

No, Forza Horizon 4 and Forza Motorsport 7 has the highest quality car models in game right now. They use the second lod wich is the same as photomode, and is only slightly reduces in engine detail compared to Forza Vista model. Both Driveclub and GTS use different lod compared to photomode but in DC its still high quality. GTS however has one of the lowest, wich is a shame becasue there scape models are one of the best.

 

[LostDonkey]

I'm going to make some more. Just a quick and dirty one to start. Notice how no hud and actually driving competently is a huge difference to what is usually posted.

 

[Hobbygaming]

No, Forza Horizon 4 and Forza Motorsport 7 has the highest quality car models in game right now. They use the second lod wich is the same as photomode, and is only slightly reduces in engine detail compared to Forza Vista model. Both Driveclub and GTS use different lod compared to photomode but in DC its still high quality. GTS however has one of the lowest, wich is a shame becasue there scape models are one of the best.

I doubt Forza Horizon 4 cars have more polygons than Driveclub cars but I'll admit that I'm wrong if you can show me the numbers

 

[TheAdmiester]

Yes, older games without tessellation have, but newer Forza games have less poly counts than 260K

Nope. Here's a random model ripped from FH4, showing 413k polygons:

 

[Hobbygaming]

Nope. Here's a random model ripped from FH4, showing 413k polygons:

I stand corrected. Where's this from?

 

[Turk1993]

The snow in Forza Horizon 4 is insane, the detail is just mad. See those are the things you don't see in the video's and gifs.

I doubt Forza Horizon 4 cars have more polygons than Driveclub cars but I'll admit that I'm wrong if you can show me the numbers

Nope. Here's a random model ripped from FH4, showing 413k polygons:

And thats without the interior and engine model, so its easy over 600~700k in gameplay.

 

[TheAdmiester]

I stand corrected. Where's this from?

I grabbed it myself, FH4's model format is known and can be imported by a couple of tools. I used the trial of 3DSimED to convert it to OBJ then opened it in Blender to get the count.

And thats without the interior and engine model, so its easy over 600~700k in gameplay.

It's with the interior, it's just that it didn't export all of the materials so the windows are opaque.

 

[Hobbygaming]

I grabbed it myself, FH4's model format is known and can be imported by a couple of tools. I used the trial of 3DSimED to convert it to OBJ then opened it in Blender to get the count.



It's with the interior, it's just that it didn't export all of the materials so the windows are opaque.

Can you increase poly counts for licensed games in blender?

 

[LostDonkey]

FM7

 

[Dizzan]

Looking forward to the new thread.

Next-gen Racing Graphics Face-off | (Next-gen means NEXT-gen)

 

[TheAdmiester]

Can you increase poly counts for licensed games in blender?

Blender is a 3D modelling tool, you can make anything you want in it. I don't have the patience or experience to add my own details to a car from a game.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Nope. Here's a random model ripped from FH4, showing 413k polygons:

The question is how efficiently those polygons are being used vs other games. Model comparison would be good. I think digital foundry did ingame comparisons but don't recall who came out on top.

edit: watched the digital foundry vid and they claim car detail is the same in photomode as in gameplay in both gran turismo and forza 7, if I'm not mistaken. don't know how horizon models fare against 7.

 

[ShapeGSX]

The snow in Forza Horizon 4 is insane, the detail is just mad. See those are the things you don't see in the video's and gifs.

I love the snow and ice on the car body. Gorgeous.

 

[TheAdmiester]

The question is how efficiently those polygons are being used vs other games. Model comparison would be good. I think digital foundry did ingame comparisons but don't recall who came out on top.

edit: watched the digital foundry vid and they claim car detail is the same in photomode as in gameplay in both gran turismo and forza 7, if I'm not mistaken. don't know how horizon models fare against 7.

Horizon is the same as Motorsport, no model swaps in photomode.

 

[Hobbygaming]

Blender is a 3D modelling tool, you can make anything you want in it. I don't have the patience or experience to add my own details to a car from a game.

Ok. I saw that you can mod cars in it. I was just curious because 400,000 polygons seems high for a game like Forza Horizon 4

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Horizon is the same as Motorsport, no model swaps in photomode.

thanks, but does it use the motorsports models or brand new ones?

 

[Hobbygaming]

The question is how efficiently those polygons are being used vs other games. Model comparison would be good. I think digital foundry did ingame comparisons but don't recall who came out on top.

edit: watched the digital foundry vid and they claim car detail is the same in photomode as in gameplay in both gran turismo and forza 7, if I'm not mistaken. don't know how horizon models fare against 7.

I started playing GTS again today after seeing FukuDaruma's gifs and man I forgot how pretty this game is

 

[Turk1993]

thanks, but does it use the motorsports models or brand new ones?

They use the same models, T10 and PG are working together to produce more cars and its simple to use because they work with the same engine.

The question is how efficiently those polygons are being used vs other games. Model comparison would be good. I think digital foundry did ingame comparisons but don't recall who came out on top.

edit: watched the digital foundry vid and they claim car detail is the same in photomode as in gameplay in both gran turismo and forza 7, if I'm not mistaken. don't know how horizon models fare against 7.

And DF made a mistake with that one, GTS doesn't use photomode car models for gameplay. They have a lower quality models for in game wich is a shame.
gameplay

photomode

gameplay

photomode

 

[FukuDaruma]

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

They use the same models, T10 and PG are working together to produce more cars and its simple to use because they work with the same engine.



And DF made a mistake with that one, GTS doesn't use photomode car models for gameplay. They have a lower quality models for in game wich is a shame.
gameplay

photomode

gameplay

photomode

well i can't tell from those photos, it could just be higher rez better shaders, not sure. Would probably need a zoom to tell.

 

[Magik85]

well i can't tell from those photos, it could just be higher rez better shaders, not sure. Would probably need a zoom to tell.

Apart is obvious IQ difference you can easily see massive reduction of polycount.

 

[scalman]

that feeling when we dont have any new racing game for long long time..and wont have at least until next year

 

[Momentary]

The amount of detaling Assetto Corsa Competizione puts into their cars is just amazing.

 

[scalman]

agreed for ACC it would be so good game if it would have some normal road cars. thats all it needs, it has tracks it has weather , a t least those cars from original AC game could be moded there or smt.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Apart is obvious IQ difference you can easily see massive reduction of polycount.

Apart from the left light, which might be the angle, they seem quite similar on close up, apart from image quality.

edit: looking at the other car i can see better that there is a difference, at least in some cars. The lower small front lights have less geometry in gameplay

gameplay

photomode

 

[Turk1993]

Apart from the left light, which might be the angle, they seem quite similar on close up, apart from image quality.

Its soo obvious just look at the interior and the other picture

 

[Momentary]

Since they already have higher end models for their cars, I wonder if GT Sport will get like some kind of PS5 enhancement where it just uses the photomode models in game. It's almost as if they future proofed the game by doing what they're doing. Pretty neat. I feel like they wouldn't have to do much to the game to get it looking even better for next gen.


In-Game ACC using floating camera:

It makes me sad that raytracing got cancelled for this game.

 

[Turk1993]

Since they already have higher end models for their cars, I wonder if GT Sport will get like some kind of PS5 enhancement where it just uses the photomode models in game. It's almost as if they future proofed the game by doing what they're doing. Pretty neat.

From what i got from the articles with Mark Cerny, it probably will. I think they gonna show GTS running on PS5 in 4K 60 with photomode quality graphics with ray tracing or 8K mode where they show off there new TV's. Also they talked about the controllers haptic feedback and how it changed the feeling in GTS, that part got me excited.

 

[Momentary]

agreed for ACC it would be so good game if it would have some normal road cars. thats all it needs, it has tracks it has weather , a t least those cars from original AC game could be moded there or smt.

Yeah. The game went the motorsport route and I think they are going to stick with it for the coming years. The car count is very low as well, but it allows them to release highly detailed models of each car they do release. Another thing that the game has that kind of irks me is that their liveries are low res. If you take close ups of car liveries in this game, they are very pixelated. I wish they'd do other GT events to allow for more car variety.

The last thing about the game are the trees and vegetation could look better. The rain effect when in an outside camera view could definitely use some work as well.

But overall the game looks great. Its modelling, graphical tech, and post-effects are gorgeous.

 

[carsar]

Someone complained about rough foliage quality in FH4. Yes, msaa has no alpha to coverage component by default and sprites have no msaa, but you can force alpha to coverage in nvidia drivers. Just turn on transparent AA specially for FH4 exe.

 

[phil_t98]

well i can't tell from those photos, it could just be higher rez better shaders, not sure. Would probably need a zoom to tell.

look at the dash in car on second one, you can see major diff in detail

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

look at the dash in car on second one, you can see major diff in detail

interiors are definitely lower detail ingame.

 

[Turk1993]

Someone complained about rough foliage quality in FH4. Yes, msaa has no alpha to coverage component by default and sprites have no msaa, but you can force alpha to coverage in nvidia drivers. Just turn on transparent AA specially for FH4 exe.

Will give this a try, maybe that can fix the blocky shadows from the trees on edinbrugh.

 

[carsar]

Will give this a try, maybe that can fix the blocky shadows from the trees on edinbrugh.

I guess it works with sprites(trees, branches etc) only, It just renders sprites with supersampling, other components(reflections. shadows) are still native res

 

[LostDonkey]

Theres a massive difference between photo mode and gameplay in GTS. They purposely did it that way with adaptive tesselation that smooths off edges and give volume. Its been explored in this thread before iirc and even some trackside/background detail was increased fidelity in photo mode. No doubt even the effects they use in replay mode arent in gameplay thats why it looks nothing like the replay when you actually play.

Its very clever what they have done and makes the game look fantastic in media. Then you actually play it and yeah. Its nowhere near.

 

[benzy]

Theres a massive difference between photo mode and gameplay in GTS. They purposely did it that way with adaptive tesselation that smooths off edges and give volume. Its been explored in this thread before iirc and even some trackside/background detail was increased fidelity in photo mode. No doubt even the effects they use in replay mode arent in gameplay thats why it looks nothing like the replay when you actually play.

Its very clever what they have done and makes the game look fantastic in media. Then you actually play it and yeah. Its nowhere near.

That's not true.

GTSport gameplay

GTSport replay

 

[Hobbygaming]

That's not true.

GTSport gameplay

GTSport replay

Incredible lighting

 

[LostDonkey]

Oh sure yeah. The macro focus effect and heavy motion blur is totally visible in gameplay too.

Sure.

Its an indisputable fact. Its been shown in this very thread.

 

[FukuDaruma]

Someone complained about rough foliage quality in FH4. Yes, msaa has no alpha to coverage component by default and sprites have no msaa, but you can force alpha to coverage in nvidia drivers. Just turn on transparent AA specially for FH4 exe.

All my captures from FH4 are with Transparency Supersampling. It's the third time I mention this in this thread. First time was 4-5 months ago. Makes it look much better but it's taxing. x8 is prohibitive and even x4 is too taxing to keep perfectly stable 4K60 Extreme in all areas at all times in any condition.

And those are with Transparency SuperSampling, which is not even a feature of the game, but Nvidia's, and is the only thing that fixes the pixelated foliage outlines, because the game's MSAA does nothing for that.

And BTW, I think you will find that FH4 has better quality overall forcing Transparency SuperSampling than going from Ultra to Extreme, because aliased foliage outlines you see all the time.

Will give this a try, maybe that can fix the blocky shadows from the trees on edinbrugh.

It doesn't. Told you already that all my captures are using that.

 

[FukuDaruma]

Oh sure yeah. The macro focus effect and heavy motion blur is totally visible in gameplay too.

Sure.

Its an indisputable fact. Its been shown in this very thread.

Apart from Replays, the 1080p60 "Prefer Frame Rate" mode has Motion Blur in gameplay (except in the Cokpit view), and it has great realistic moments:

 

[l2ounD]

Apart from Replays, the 1080p60 "Prefer Frame Rate" mode has Motion Blur in gameplay (except in the Cokpit view), and it has great realistic moments:

You Lie! Gameplay is nowhere near...

 

[benzy]

Oh sure yeah. The macro focus effect and heavy motion blur is totally visible in gameplay too.

Sure.

Its an indisputable fact. Its been shown in this very thread.

I made the gif a long time ago and I forgot to switch it to 1080p mode, but as FukuDaruma pointed out, the same high quality motion blur that is in replays is enabled in 1080p mode (you need a 1080p native tv), and it looks amazing.

Even without the motion blur though, you have to admit "gameplay looks nowhere near the same as replay" is pretty hyperbolic.

gameplay

replay

more gameplay with motion blur

 

[LostDonkey]

Photomode shots...

FM7

 

[carsar]

All my captures from FH4 are with Transparency Supersampling. It's the third time I mention this in this thread. First time was 4-5 months ago. Makes it look much better but it's taxing. x8 is prohibitive and even x4 is too taxing to keep perfectly stable 4K60 Extreme in all areas at all times in any condition.

Yes, it's taxing, but much cheaper than 8k render. 8k sprites+4k render is the best choice we can get

 

[benzy]

Photomode shots...

So those gameplay captures look so good that you thought they were photomode shots huh? hehehe

Notice there's no GT logo watermark in my gameplay pics. Photomode leaves a GT watermark logo at the bottom left in the pic, plus the obvious super-sampled image quality.

gtsport gameplay 1080p mode

gtsport photomode

 

[LostDonkey]

Thats not a gameplay shot. You cannot turn the camera sideways during gameplay like that in GTS.