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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Jtibh

Jtibh

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XcloudTimdog said:
You are the one that i sent the info too? Why did you accept it? You keep single handily pointing me out when orisis black tommy fisher run wild , several times??? So when im right i shouldnt point it out? The posts are public. Im talking to tyler from now on and take it from there.
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Please. Talk to whoever the hell you want. Your mother your sister your hamster just dont fuckin talk here.
 
Sinthor

Sinthor

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sinnergy said:
Sony designed a 399 machine , ms designed a successor to the Xbox One X, I can’t explain it more simpel. Different goals.

But it seems it’s gonna bits Sony a bit in the ass.
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Assuming that is true, how will that "bite" Sony? If Xbox is $599 or higher...sure people like me would buy it, but not the mass market. MS would be dooming itself to losing marketshare again and likely large financial losses as well. I don't see them doing that, but it's possible. If they go that route, this might well be the LAST Xbox. That wouldn't be good for the market so I sure hope not. So again, if Sony does have a $399 machine and MS goes that much higher (which would pretty much be certain if there's that big of a 'power gap'), Sony will run away with the marketshare, most likely.

But again, I don't think this makes sense for MS. Still nothing certain. I am waiting for specifics...on BOTH products. Then we can analyze it to death and figure out what the philosophies behind the products were as well! :)
 
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Agnostic2020 said:
The article says they can’t even keep 450 price which also doesn’t include the retailer cut and shipping fees lol .yea 399 lol
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Designed , think about that, it a process of years, so 399 could have been the target , a loss of 40 - 50 is manageable, but now they are seeing a loss of 70 - 100.

But think what you like ...
 
Agnostic2020

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sinnergy said:
Designed , think about that, it a process of years, so 399 could have been the target , a loss of 40 - 50 is manageable, but now they are seeing a loss of 70 - 100.

But think what you like ...
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Yea but once ur initial design changes and gets revised so does your bom. End result is the same . Higher bom
 
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Sinthor said:
Assuming that is true, how will that "bite" Sony? If Xbox is $599 or higher...sure people like me would buy it, but not the mass market. MS would be dooming itself to losing marketshare again and likely large financial losses as well. I don't see them doing that, but it's possible. If they go that route, this might well be the LAST Xbox. That wouldn't be good for the market so I sure hope not. So again, if Sony does have a $399 machine and MS goes that much higher (which would pretty much be certain if there's that big of a 'power gap'), Sony will run away with the marketshare, most likely.

But again, I don't think this makes sense for MS. Still nothing certain. I am waiting for specifics...on BOTH products. Then we can analyze it to death and figure out what the philosophies behind the products were as well! :)
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MS doesn’t see the market that way anymore ;) they are transforming it into software based, Netflix like. Which they have been doing the last couple of years. Series X is for us, the hardcore.

Sony is still stuck in the hardware side, yet you start to see glimpses that they are also going in that direction.
 
TherapistGaymer

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sinnergy said:
Designed , think about that, it a process of years, so 399 could have been the target , a loss of 40 - 50 is manageable, but now they are seeing a loss of 70 - 100.

But think what you like ...
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That’s what I’m saying no one cares in here. If that’s the case some of us will by both. Getting oooooooold
 
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R600

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So PS5 being less powerful is all but confirmed then. Think about it, this is controlled leak, and they are worried how XSX is going to be priced. If XSX has 20$ higher BOM, but is priced at 499$, Sony will not want to price its console the same.

People saying "450$ BOM therefore 399$ is lol" do not make sense. It seems to me Sony wanted higher BOM then with PS5 but still low enough to push for 399$ and if BOM was 410-420$ that would probably be achiavable at loss, but with 450$ they are in no mans land.
 
XcloudTimdog

XcloudTimdog

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TherapistGaymer said:
You said it right....fan. I’ve never seen anything like this. Again not sports.
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Im a sports fan too. Its fine. I just will call it like i see it. Ive been consistent on one thing, even when reiner etc and others said ps5 more powerful. Xbox had goals in mind with its flanking strategy, one most powerful, other cheap next gen entry level. It said it all in the production slide. Time is coming .
 
Jtibh

Jtibh

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XcloudTimdog said:
Like being afraid to show anything other than a logo. Sorry your math dont add up. Its also not 2013 anymore
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Yes its not 2013 anymore but somehow mentally , development wise you gut stuck in your puberty.

But there is hope. If you cough hard enough you might feel a slight tug down there , below.
Its called balls. Its natural. Dont get scared.

And then maybe , some day, those balls will grow hair.

And then maybe you can call yourself a man.
 
BGs

BGs

Industry Professional
SlimySnake said:
i know you cant say anything but i think this might have been posted by you. ;p if not, on a scale of 1-14 with 14 tflops being certifiably insane, how crazy does this sound?

  1. I'm a third party small developer from EU,for the last 8 months i've been helping a well known company in a AAA game development that is set to release in 2020 as a lunch game for PS5.

  3. Some infos that i'd like to share that are 99% correct(i say 99% because small incremental hardware change can occur till 2020,although specs are set in stone).

  5. -PS5 official info from Sony somewhere around next E3(Sony will not be participating on E3),i'd say Q2 2019 small reveal
  6. -PS5 release March 2020 or November 2020,not yet finalized
  7. -backward compatible
  8. -physical games & ps store
  9. -ps plus & ps plus premium ( premium-beta early access,create private servers,
  10. -specs CPU 7nm ryzen 8 core 16 threads,unknown speed
  11. GPU 7nm Navi arhitecture around 14TF,its gonna be powerful and power efficient,Sony working with Amd for Navi,some sort of Ray Tracing but will not focus on that,more focus with VR and 4k,much better bandwith overall
  12. 24GB Gddr6 + 4gb ddr4 for os,we have 32 gb dev kits
  13. -2tb hdd some sort of nand flash
  14. -8k upscaling
  15. -PSVR2 in 2020 also,reveal with ps5,big resolution boost probably 2560x1440,120hz,220 field of view,eye tracking,wireless,battery life 4-5 hours,headphones integrated,less motion sickenss,no breaker box,much less cable management,much more focus on VR for aaa games,price around 250$
  16. -dualshock 5,some sort of camera inside for VR,more analog precision for fps games,something similiar to steam analog trackpad
  17. -price 499$,100$ loss per console at a beginning

  19. Ps4 exclusive launch games that i know of

  21. Gran Turismo 7 (vr)
  22. Pubg remaster 4k f2p with ps+ only on ps5
  23. Last of us 2 remaster
  24. Ghost of Tsushima remaster
  25. 2-3 aaa games more + psvr2 games

  27. Non exclusive ps5 games 2020

  29. Battlefield bad company 3
  30. Harry potter
  31. Gta 6 Holiday 2020 most probably,not hearing anything ps4 related (hearing that Sony is paying huge money to secure 1 month time exclusive for ps5). Been hearing rumors about Miami and New York,so 2 big cities,but im not sure if thats 100% true
  32. Assassins creed
  33. Horizon 2 so far in 2021
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Hi, thanks for your interest. All of you.

Throughout this time I have been answering all the questions that have been asked in one way or another, and I consider that many of the questions that have been asked again in these last hours have already been answered in the past.

Also in the past I have made it clear that I know and that I do not know. I have also clarified what was true and what was not.

I am not very good at answering from the phone so let me use this message to respond to the vast majority of quotes from the last hours. I know that the thread is very large and perhaps it is difficult to find all the answers and contexts. But for lack of time I can't answer everything again. I'm sorry. In other way, the little I published already meant an internal talk, so it will not be repeated.

Regarding this particular paragraph you show, no, I have not written it. And from what I read, I can say that it is partly false for several reasons.

First it seems quite old in some points.

Second, I doubt that a small third party has access to information that appears in some points.

Third, some points contain data that has already been publicly denied.

It seems more like an incomplete set of information mixed with rumors and assumptions.

In addition, a specific point is illegal.

And if a small third party has access to the price of PS5 I think it is clear that if it is right it is pure coincidence.

Next station "End of the line".
 
Lort

Lort

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demigod said:
You might want to re-read what you posted and what he posted. You said you sent him info. He didn’t get any insider info from you. So yeah, you have no screenshot that’s why you’re not showing it.
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I agree xcloudtimdog .. u should clear up what mods you messaged for verification because u pretty much said it was modofwar .. who said no .. then evil core who said no... wtf
 
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TherapistGaymer

TherapistGaymer

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XcloudTimdog said:
Im a sports fan too. Its fine. I just will call it like i see it. Ive been consistent on one thing, even when reiner etc and others said ps5 more powerful. Xbox had goals in mind with its flanking strategy, one most powerful, other cheap next gen entry level. It said it all in the production slide. Time is coming .
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Okay you are scarring me now. It’s not the revelations or the coming of Christ - you have got to chill. You are not adulting right now. Again THIS IS NOT SPORTS or Politics.
 
Sinthor

Sinthor

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sinnergy said:
MS doesn’t see the market that way anymore ;) they are transforming it into software based, Netflix like. Which they have been doing the last couple of years. Series X is for us, the hardcore.

Sony is still stuck in the hardware side, yet you start to see glimpses that they are also going in that direction.
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I see what you're getting at. Hmm.... well at a very high price they won't sell many, by comparison and that will hurt their software profits as well, at least for the console space. We will see though. Wouldn't surprise me to see the console market split into a low and high end, but I think there would have to be subsidies from subscriptions, etc. Well, I think we'll all find out exactly what's going on at least by April. Interesting times, for sure!
 
Lort

Lort

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SlimySnake said:
i know you cant say anything but i think this might have been posted by you. ;p if not, on a scale of 1-14 with 14 tflops being certifiably insane, how crazy does this sound?

  1. I'm a third party small developer from EU,for the last 8 months i've been helping a well known company in a AAA game development that is set to release in 2020 as a lunch game for PS5.
  3. Some infos that i'd like to share that are 99% correct(i say 99% because small incremental hardware change can occur till 2020,although specs are set in stone).
  5. -PS5 official info from Sony somewhere around next E3(Sony will not be participating on E3),i'd say Q2 2019 small reveal
  6. -PS5 release March 2020 or November 2020,not yet finalized
  7. -backward compatible
  8. -physical games & ps store
  9. -ps plus & ps plus premium ( premium-beta early access,create private servers,
  10. -specs CPU 7nm ryzen 8 core 16 threads,unknown speed
  11. GPU 7nm Navi arhitecture around 14TF,its gonna be powerful and power efficient,Sony working with Amd for Navi,some sort of Ray Tracing but will not focus on that,more focus with VR and 4k,much better bandwith overall
  12. 24GB Gddr6 + 4gb ddr4 for os,we have 32 gb dev kits
  13. -2tb hdd some sort of nand flash
  14. -8k upscaling
  15. -PSVR2 in 2020 also,reveal with ps5,big resolution boost probably 2560x1440,120hz,220 field of view,eye tracking,wireless,battery life 4-5 hours,headphones integrated,less motion sickenss,no breaker box,much less cable management,much more focus on VR for aaa games,price around 250$
  16. -dualshock 5,some sort of camera inside for VR,more analog precision for fps games,something similiar to steam analog trackpad
  17. -price 499$,100$ loss per console at a beginning
  19. Ps4 exclusive launch games that i know of
  21. Gran Turismo 7 (vr)
  22. Pubg remaster 4k f2p with ps+ only on ps5
  23. Last of us 2 remaster
  24. Ghost of Tsushima remaster
  25. 2-3 aaa games more + psvr2 games
  27. Non exclusive ps5 games 2020
  29. Battlefield bad company 3
  30. Harry potter
  31. Gta 6 Holiday 2020 most probably,not hearing anything ps4 related (hearing that Sony is paying huge money to secure 1 month time exclusive for ps5). Been hearing rumors about Miami and New York,so 2 big cities,but im not sure if thats 100% true
  32. Assassins creed
  33. Horizon 2 so far in 2021
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Things that seem completely bogus ...

Everything ...so much so i cant be bothered going into detail.
 
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sinnergy

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Sinthor said:
I see what you're getting at. Hmm.... well at a very high price they won't sell many, by comparison and that will hurt their software profits as well, at least for the console space. We will see though. Wouldn't surprise me to see the console market split into a low and high end, but I think there would have to be subsidies from subscriptions, etc. Well, I think we'll all find out exactly what's going on at least by April. Interesting times, for sure!
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It sure is!
 
hemo memo

hemo memo

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sinnergy said:
Who would have thought? I thought it was easy creating launch games ...
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“Sony executives are voicing patience about the next console’s pricing as they anticipate the transition to be a gradual one, said people familiar with its day-to-day operations. Many of the games launched for the PlayStation 5 will also be available to play on the predecessor machine, so revenue from software and related network services is expected to keep the business performance intact. Microsoft and Sony are both expanding their respective online subscription services, revenue from which may allow them greater flexibility on hardware pricing.”
 
TherapistGaymer

TherapistGaymer

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demigod said:
Yeah but the thing is, he said both ps5 and xsx are “high end”.

If one was 12TF that would be “high end” and 9TF would be “mid end”.
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I saw, that’s what I mean - he came in here like he had some secret sauce. His source made more sense than he did. What does this guy look like I’ve got to see what type of face conjures up this type of master trolling?
 
XcloudTimdog

XcloudTimdog

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Jtibh said:
Yes its not 2013 anymore but somehow mentally , development wise you gut stuck in your puberty.

But there is hope. If you cough hard enough you might feel a slight tug down there , below.
Its called balls. Its natural. Dont get scared.

And then maybe , some day, those balls will grow hair.

And then maybe you can call yourself a man.
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Yeah this is A fine post. So mad ! TeamGithub
 
DForce

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
R600 said:
So PS5 being less powerful is all but confirmed then. Think about it, this is controlled leak, and they are worried how XSX is going to be priced. If XSX has 20$ higher BOM, but is priced at 499$, Sony will not want to price its console the same.

People saying "450$ BOM therefore 399$ is lol" do not make sense. It seems to me Sony wanted higher BOM then with PS5 but still low enough to push for 399$ and if BOM was 410-420$ that would probably be achiavable at loss, but with 450$ they are in no mans land.
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I think you guys are reading too much into this article.

Scarce components have pushed the manufacturing costs for Sony Corp.’s next PlayStation to around $450 per unit, forcing a difficult price-setting decision in its battle with Microsoft Corp., according to people with knowledge of the matter.
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The PS4, released in 2013 at a retail price of $399, was estimated by IHS Markit to cost $381 to manufacture. With the $450 unit cost and a similar gross margin, the PlayStation 5’s retail price would have to be at least $470. That would be a hard sell to consumers, considering Sony’s most expensive machine now is the $399.99 PS4 Pro and is often discounted, according to Macquarie Capital analyst Damian Thong.
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Based on the article, it could be above $450 and as ZhugeEX, he estimates the XsX to be a minimum of $460. That would mean MS could undercut them for the price of $399 if his estimates are true.
 
XcloudTimdog

XcloudTimdog

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trancefreak64 said:
What the heck is "BOM"? I am getting old and can't keep up with the ever growing amounts of Acronyms.

Somebody help lol
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Price to build machine. Sony small hot and fast it sounds like. Around 450z. Xbox probably 50 more but saved $$$ on formfactor. 12>9 dream at same price is why Sony is caught quiet. Remember all the ppl hyping up klee and these insiders orisis Black. They all promised you feb meeting!!!!!! Think about it
 
DeepEnigma

DeepEnigma

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I see why you’re “TeamGithub”

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TherapistGaymer

TherapistGaymer

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XcloudTimdog said:
Im a sports fan too. Its fine. I just will call it like i see it. Ive been consistent on one thing, even when reiner etc and others said ps5 more powerful. Xbox had goals in mind with its flanking strategy, one most powerful, other cheap next gen entry level. It said it all in the production slide. Time is coming .
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You haven’t been consistent. Remember when you pretended to believe the same and backed out of here. You were accused of making an alt account. So this is your life. Derailing threads. I think twitter and YouTube are a better fit. This is sickening. Truth is I’ve seen all of your twitter and it’s just obsessive. I don’t care what system it is. You seem to have a good heart but so do other forms of domineering fans, religious beliefs, and even cults. Just let us be in here. You need something other than Neogaf. This place is for gamers. Sure we have our back and forth but you are only in here to back up dance, moonwalk, and cheerlead for a damn box. You are such a puppet - wake up/
 
TherapistGaymer

TherapistGaymer

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XcloudTimdog said:
Price to build machine. Sony small hot and fast it sounds like. Around 450z. Xbox probably 50 more but saved $$$ on formfactor. 12>9 dream at same price is why Sony is caught quiet. Remember all the ppl hyping up klee and these insiders orisis Black. They all promised you feb meeting!!!!!! Think about it
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Got it....you done? Ooooooooold
 
Ellery

Ellery

Member
Interesting !

So we are definitely in 399/449/499 territory here and if you include inflation/rising cost of labor and other factors then that is roughly where the PS4 BOM price was. Maybe slightly slightly slightly higher.
This does not bode well for the 14TF crowd, because the BOM would be way higher at probably closer to 550-600$.

I can see why Sony is hesitant about pricing, because there is a lot of money on the line for them even though I still think that a cheaper console is way better in the long run, but there is also the factor that Sony consoles sell out anyways and they won't have enough consoles ready by November 2020 to meet demand if they were to release a $399 PS5.

My gut feeling tells me that Xbox Series X is going to be $499 and Sony is going with $449.

The other interesting thing was said is "mostly games on PS4 aswell". This is very good, because it means there actually are exclusives and by mostly they are probably referring to third party titles that come out annually like CoD, Fifa etc.

Both things I am very delighted to hear about (in a way)
 
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Zero909

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DForce said:
Based on the article, it could be above $450 and as ZhugeEX, he estimates the XsX to be a minimum of $460. That would mean MS could undercut them for the price of $399 if his estimates are true.
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Do it Phil Price XSX at $399 just for lulz let them fight
 
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