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Microsoft confirms 12 TF RDNA 2 for the Xbox Series X

DunDunDunpachi

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darkinstinct said:
Who is "many of us"? Based on the specs, you are looking at a GPU on the same level as a 2080 Super. 2080 Ti and 2080 Super are 1 % of the Steam user according to the latest Steam hardware survey. Those are GPUs that sell for $700 and $1.100 respectively. And you are getting comparable performance in a $499 device with much better HDR support. So what if all games come out on PC? The truth is that 95+ % of PC players will play an inferior version of the game on their PC than they could with an XSX.
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Yep, and the dirty truth is that most games aim to meet console specs while PC gets the visual enhancements consolation prize. Games are no longer designed with the unbridled power of PC in mind, so while you might have 120 FPS and anti-aliasing cranked up to 8x, it's still the same cramped level design, the same limited enemy count, the same corridor-based scripting to compensate for load times, etc.

Tis the nature of the AAA market. PC can of course play larger levels with prettier assets, but there's little reason to invest so much money into game assets if you can't also sell those assets on the mass-market platforms.
 
ruvikx

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Gen.Grievous said:
Microsoft (and Sony for that matter) can talk the talk but without any gameplay I can hardly judge the power of these consoles.
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It's February, i.e. how about wait until E3? Microsoft will show whatever they want then (& in other shows). Add the fact we never really know what a console is capable of in its first couple of years anyway (2013 & 2014 PS4/Xbox One for example), you won't know what this really means until a year or so from now (personally speaking one of my "wishes" is to see Bethesda finally get their sh*t together & give us a phenomenal Elder Scrolls VI).
 
alabtrosMyster

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The Pleasure said:
How do you do fellow gamers?
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That's what you meant:
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Captain Zyrain

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Man, I hope they can hit $499. I think it's probably worth $599, but that's a pretty penny, not to mention all the FIVE NINETY NINE US DOLLARS nonsense.

Since they are making all launch games also on the normal Xbox One, I CAN see them pricing it at $599 as an early adopter tax or something, since you don't NEED a XSX to play the new games.. but I don't see how that would help long term.
 
93xfan

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Romulus said:
I think it'll be minimal by comparison to previous gens. X1X has already comprised much of the jump because we're only going up 2x on the graphics processor.
We're past the PS2-PS3 type massive leaps. We'll get some better lighting, smoother framerates, and crisper visuals. Nothing that will wow anyone outside of enthusiasts that like to exaggerate the digital foundry 300% zoom lens. For most people looking at games, they won't even see a generation leap at all. They'll need it to be explained to them what took place between X1X and XSX. "Looks a little better I guess." Since we're gamers we have nothing better to do than blow everything out of proportion. "Insane difference!" No, it isn't. Those days are over. Baby steps from here on out with the exception of maybe VR or maybe AR.
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keep in mind this is Navi architecture. Paired with the much better CPU and ray tracing hardware, I believe next gen will likely shows us some mind blowing visuals next gen.

I’m personally looking forward to seeing the slip space engine at work in the next Halo.
 
Romulus

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darkinstinct said:
Who is "many of us"? Based on the specs, you are looking at a GPU on the same level as a 2080 Super. 2080 Ti and 2080 Super are 1 % of the Steam user according to the latest Steam hardware survey. Those are GPUs that sell for $700 and $1.100 respectively. And you are getting comparable performance in a $499 device with much better HDR support. So what if all games come out on PC? The truth is that 95+ % of PC players will play an inferior version of the game on their PC than they could with an XSX.
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Playing an "inferior" version of a PC game to console just means they'll waste alot of that power on the resolution. People already expect 4k so there's were your power is going. And I would wager many of us here have a capable PC anyway, not the masses. That's always been the case with most users favoring 1080p and high frames. We'll just wait for DF with their zoom lens to claim "its better." What do you mean "so what" if it comes to PC, are you saying games don't play well unless they're XSX custom console specs?
 
MilkyJoe

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Romulus said:
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That's me every time I think about jumping onboard Xbox again. Even at 20TF, the games are still the problem. Nothing is exclusive and so many of us already have a capable PC. It just makes me miss the old days of the OG xbox. You had power and games that you couldn't play anywhere else. Even if I didn't have a PC and PS5 was only 8TF, I'd still be hard-pressed to jump back to Xbox, and I'm a Halo/Forza fan.
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You still have to buy those games, son, and last I checked Windows 10 is a Microsoft platform...
 
GymWolf

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Bladed Thesis said:
You're coming at it from the wrong direction. It's not lack of clarity if it wasn't a consideration. I don't think Microsoft or Sony thought they'd be getting into the PC gaming market and made a change in their vision to face that market. That's not lack of clarity. This has been a seven year console cycle. Thinking the decisions and ideas made day one (and oh what an awful day one it was for MS) by the management in charge then (oh what day one management at MS Xbox Division) matches Year Seven ideas and decisions is either naive or being purposely obtuse.

In regards to a beefy pc, those are different markets. We're talking different things in comparison to "useless consoles."

You said it made Xbox console useless. It doesn't. I have a desktop gaming rig I spent thousands on. That's thousands while building it myself. So you can imagine the specs. I still have need of a console. Because my thousand plus gaming rig doesn't look good on my TV in my living room on chill nights with my wife. And I know that is the case for a large (majority) of the gaming rig market. Thousand dollar machines in my living room, playing on my TV instead of my dual monitors? You pc game with dual monitors on your couch? LMAO

It's a different league and exactly that. The console with Xbox games isn't meant to replace the thousand dollar plus gaming rig and to act like it does make the console useless is, again, naive or being purposely obtuse. It's purpose is to open to OPTION to also game with the same shit on your rig as well as a console in the living room. Apples and orange. Both are fruit but they play different and are for different situations. In fact, the intermingling of the ecosystems makes the Xbox MORE appealing to me. Because now I can game on my gaming rig and game casually on my 65" tv on the couch with my wife.

Not my fault why you don't understand why the form factor of a console is more appealing than having a gaming rig hooked up to my 65" 4k Sony Bravia in the middle of my living room.
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no offense but you are a fool if you think that porting all their exclusive game on pc was not an already planned thing to do since day one.
and we are not talking about year 7 lol, they reveal this stuff after 1-2 year or something more (or less, i don't remember)

it's not a move that you think today for tomorrow, let's be honest here.

also the fact that having an xbox one when you already have a gaming pc is not useless for you, doesn't mean that is not useless for me and a lot of people.
in my italian forum there was a giant topic with all the people with my problem, and it was a LOT of people, it's not hard to understand why a console that you only use for gaming become useless when you already have a gaming pc that does almost everything better, it's pure logic.

i have my pc in my gaming room with my oled 4k tv and my monitor, both attached via hdmi, and a lot of people have the same arrangement, i don't understand your problem or why you are being snarky or obtuse...


also i don't really understand the rest of your post, it was not my point from the start, i know that pc and console are 2 different world, i was not talking in abstract about people with pc that need or not a console, i was talking about people like me who bought a xone FOR THE EXCLUSIVE GAMES just to discover that they were porting everything on pc.

i was just sharing how the lack of clarity from M (call that how you want, i don't really care) fucked me and a lot of people, you were one of the people who was not fucked? good for you, i can still talk freely about my experience instead of defending a bilionaire company because fanboyism or whatever reason push you to intervene about my experience...
do you want me to say that i'm happy that i bought a console for his exclusive just to discover a little later that i don't really need that fucking console to play the "exclusive" games? give me 400 dollars via paypal and i can say all you want.

sorry for the shitty english, also i'm not really on the mood for a forum fight for such a stupid things, we probably have similar ideas after all, i can see that from your posts.
 
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Zoro7

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ManaByte said:
Sony had the better hardware at the start of the last generation. How easily people forget that or try to handwave away all the Resolutiongate stuff from 2013.
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Pretty sure it was the price point plus the fact that Sony didnt try and fudge over customers by locking games to a system.
Also exclusives!!!
 
Romulus

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MilkyJoe said:
You still have to buy those games, son, and last I checked Windows 10 is a Microsoft platform...
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Windows has always been an MS property, didn't change the fact that there have been exclusive games for the Xbox you can't get anywhere else.
 
01011001

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Romulus said:
Windows has always been an MS property, didn't change the fact that there have been exclusive games for the Xbox you can't get anywhere else.
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and there could still be but not directly made by Microsoft.
the thing is that Windows is just another platform by Microsoft. just like the PSP was another platform by Sony when the PS2 was out and many PSP games like Motor Storm, GTA or Jack and Daxter got ported to the PS2.
 
Gavon West

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mckmas8808 said:
Why is everybody ignoring this dev that just did the winky face? Clearly they've heard or seen what's going on and you guys just ignored it to keep console warring back and forth.
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Oh! So its called "the winky face! " I thought it was just the wink! Glad that's cleared up as I was legit confused on the official name! Thanks bruv.

Crack on then...
 
OmegaSupreme

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ManaByte said:
The PS4 games ran at 1080p while the Xbox games ran at 720p and MS was ravaged over that. But keep trying to revise history.
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I don't want to get into this again but let's not forget the ps2. Inferior in spec to the xbox and gamecube yet trounced them both. Technology is not the sole reason why a console is successful or not.
 
Shin

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01011001 said:
the thing is that Windows is just another platform by Microsoft.
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I think people are stuck in the past with their way of thinking, because that is what they know and how it has always been done.
This play on every device that Microsoft is going with requires one to broaden their horizon, the money still comes into Xbox's register.
On top of that it gives the consumer a choice without charging them double, gotta give them credit for their vision even if incomplete (game library).
 
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Danjin44

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OmegaSupreme said:
I don't want to get into this again but let's not forget the ps2. Inferior in spec to the xbox and gamecube yet trounced them both. Technology is not the sole reason why a console is successful or not.
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Very true, in my opinion games is the only that matter in gaming system. You can have the most powerful system but if doesn't have the games people care about then that power means nothing.
 
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ManaByte

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01011001 said:
the only game I am aware of that was 1080p on PS4 and 720p on One is CoD Ghosts, name another one please?!
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It wasn’t just multiplatform stuff. Exclusives ran at 720p. KI was 720p before patches, Dead Rising 3 was 720p. It was a problem with the system for the first year. It wasn’t until the second E3 when stuff consistently was hitting 900p.
 
Jigsaah

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Elenchus said:
Expect PS5 to offer pretty much exactly the same thing, numbers be slightly different but basically the exact same feature-set.

The "Smart delivery" thing is such smoke-and-mirrors though. Basically all it means is that of an upgrade patch exists for SX, then it'll get auto-loaded on install. but third-parties can still charge for it if they want. Whoopty-do. That sounds like business as usual.

I’m not expecting anything. Sony either confirms what it’s offering or it doesn’t. I’m not doing benefit of the doubt on hardware given the shit build quality and cooling on the Pro.
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From what i understand, "Smart Delivery" refers to how u download the games in portions. For example, if youre downlosding Halo infinite on the X, you won't be downloading all the assets that you would get on the XSX. This would make the size of games differ depending on what console youre downloading it on
 
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Zoro7

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ManaByte said:
It wasn’t just multiplatform stuff. Exclusives ran at 720p. KI was 720p before patches, Dead Rising 3 was 720p. It was a problem with the system for the first year. It wasn’t until the second E3 when stuff consistently was hitting 900p.
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Do you actually believe this? Like the Xbox One lost because of a few P's?
It was the higher price, the forced Kinect and the shitty PR from the announcement. Also Sony had the better first party games.
 
GymWolf

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DunDunDunpachi said:
Yep, and the dirty truth is that most games aim to meet console specs while PC gets the visual enhancements consolation prize. Games are no longer designed with the unbridled power of PC in mind, so while you might have 120 FPS and anti-aliasing cranked up to 8x, it's still the same cramped level design, the same limited enemy count, the same corridor-based scripting to compensate for load times, etc.

Tis the nature of the AAA market. PC can of course play larger levels with prettier assets, but there's little reason to invest so much money into game assets if you can't also sell those assets on the mass-market platforms.
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the hard truth unfortunately.

well at least series x is a beast and this is gonna help squeezing the pc gaming a little more than current gen (a lot more actually)
we finally have a cpu that is not shittier than my casio electronic calculator...
 
Butz

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Romulus said:
I think it'll be minimal by comparison to previous gens. X1X has already comprised much of the jump because we're only going up 2x on the graphics processor.
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Yeah but you are forgetting that there isn't a single game that is specifically made for the X1X hardware, the games are still made for base Xbox and then they get higher res and some better shadows or something on the X1X.

With PS5 and XSX, games will be made for that hardware.
 
01011001

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ManaByte said:
It wasn’t just multiplatform stuff. Exclusives ran at 720p. KI was 720p before patches, Dead Rising 3 was 720p. It was a problem with the system for the first year. It wasn’t until the second E3 when stuff consistently was hitting 900p.
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you can't compare exclusive games in this way because you don't know how they would run on PS4.
in direct comparisons the difference was always either 1080p vs 1080p, 1080p vs 900p, 900p vs 720p or nowadays it's a less agressive dynamic resolution vs a more aggressive dynamic resolution
 
DunDunDunpachi

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GymWolf said:
the hard truth unfortunately.

well at least series x is a beast and this is gonna help squeezing the pc gaming a little more than current gen (a lot more actually)
we finally have a cpu that is not shittier than my casio electronic calculator...
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The next batch of console hardware will definitely create a new "floor" for game performance and design, which will translate into improvements for the PC of course.
 
Romulus

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01011001 said:
the thing is that Windows is just another platform by Microsoft. just like the PSP was another platform by Sony when the PS2 was out and many PSP games like Motor Storm, GTA or Jack and Daxter got ported to the PS2.
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I think it's very different. I understand they own it windows, but without having access to their console, I can play their "exclusives" day one. I don't have to wait for a port from PS2 at comprised settings to PSP etc. I can decide whatever I want on the first day with more options for settings. And almost everyone owns a PC for something, unlike a PSP so it just compromises it the incentive imo. They definitely have other tricks to offset it, I just don't see the combination being successful against Sony.
 
01011001

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Agnostic2020 said:
But it doesn’t matter too much 12 tf rdna 2 is same as 12 tf rdna 1.5 . It just draws less power and runs cooler as it’s 7nm euv .
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i am pretty sure we have zero reliable info on what RDNA2 brings to the table, only rumours... some say 20% gain in performance some say less.. and some say way more than that but those leaks could also point to whatever comes after RDNA2.
 
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Agnostic2020 said:
But it doesn’t matter too much 12 tf rdna 2 is same as 12 tf rdna 1.5 . It just draws less power and runs cooler as it’s 7nm euv .
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Hmmm.

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Gavon West

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junguler said:
it's crazy how long it took for phil spencer to undo the damage don mattrick did to the xbox brand and xbox1, i respect that guy. i'm hoping everything goes along smoothly for microsoft and xbox gamers this coming gen. one thing is for sure tho, it won't be a cakewalk for sony this time around, should be interesting.
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I swear I've been saying this for a while now. Sony will do great but no way they run next gen like they did this one. No way
 
Romulus

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Butz said:
Yeah but you are forgetting that there isn't a single game that is specifically made for the X1X hardware, the games are still made for base Xbox and then they get higher res and some better shadows or something on the X1X.

With PS5 and XSX, games will be made for that hardware.
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Exclusives won't, and in the past those were the most impressive games from MS. XSX games will have to be made with the Xbox One in mind, hindering them greatly. Nearly a 10x GPU deficient machine.
 
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