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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Nice to see the insiders are back, confirming the official specs from Microsoft today. How good of them.
Don't be that guy.
Next gen consoles are in between 2080 & 2080Ti.
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R600

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He still hasn't given information before it has been publicly revealed or heavily speculated on. It's clear he's making educated guesses and he's gotten those guesses wrong multiple times already. Most recently the Feb PS5 reveal.
Also RDNA cache which btw wasnt changed in last few months duo to corona.

I also doubt Sony cancelled PS5 meeting duo to coronavirus. If you think about it, no one in the industry bar Klee, Tommy and guy working on gamestop counter (Osiris) knew anything about PS5 meeting so I doubt anything was scheduled, let alone cancelled.
 
Also RDNA cache which btw wasnt changed in last few months duo to corona.

I also doubt Sony cancelled PS5 meeting duo to coronavirus. If you think about it, no one in the industry bar Klee, Tommy and guy working on gamestop counter (Osiris) knew anything about PS5 meeting so I doubt anything was scheduled, let alone cancelled.
Is that why Sony canceled every event they had this month ? From mwc to gdc to pax ?
 

Stuart360

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Don't be that guy.
Lol we will see. Once next gen launches, we will get plenty of Youtube vids comparing games on next gen and PC's using 2080ti's etc. I still expect 2080ti's to produce better results than the next gen consoles, like 60fps vs 30fps in 30fps next gen games etc

EDIT. Also i dont claim to be an 'insider', so i dont get the context of your post. I also love how that gif post, that i did weeks ago, has been eating away at you.
 
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R600

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Is that why Sony canceled every event they had this month ? From mwc to gdc to pax ?
Thats not the point. Point is, only 3 of them "knew" anything about PS5 meeting. Even before corona started to make headlines Sony announced they are not ready to show of PS5 just yet.

On top of that, guys like Jason who are gazillion times more informed about this came out and said he doesnt know of any meeting taking place in February. Its clear as a day they were guessing, because guess what? It makes complete sense. They cannot show it in Sept, Oct, Nov or December as its too late. They had CES in January, and therefore we are left with 6 months where they can show it of. Everything bare Feb/March made little sense few months back do they bet on that. And bet wrong.
 

StreetsofBeige

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OK, anyone have a round up of which so-called insiders got Sex at 12tf RDNA 2 is correct?

Skimming some of the posts, Tommy FIsher (who people outcasted) was right?

Ok, who else?
 
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M-V2

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Tommy Fisher Tommy Fisher is the only one who said Xbox SX 12tf RDNA 2, even the hardcore Xbox fanboys said it's RDNA 1

Let's not attack the guy just because we don't agree with him.

Plus I would like to add that anyone attack or insult a verfied insider should be banned. You can have a civil conversation with them but attacking them or insulting them isn't nice at all & people who do that should be banned.
 
Like I've been saying for a long time now, it's best to go with a mix of sources. The Github leak is extremely limited, the only reason to consider it has pertinence is because of the Oberon stepping benchmarks which have provided more context on what was posted there. I.e it's a very dependent source (it's mainly riding off another source, IMO).

So Github, GPU benchmarks (worth noting; several products with specs lining up to the benchmarks have been officially confirmed/announced at one point or another), reputable insiders, reputable Youtube tech channels, reputable website articles (Bloomberg, ITMedia, IGN etc....Forbes doesn't count because they've just had clickbait-tier articles from "contributors") etc seems like a good mix to go with, some with more weight than others.

The harder part would be to figure out what parts from them to take into account and what parts to discard, but it's getting easier to do that when we get official news like today, and patterns in certain results coming about that fit a timeline, among other things.



There's probably a reason they haven't mentioned memory amount or bus figures yet, or SSD speed, bandwidth, storage amount etc. Same goes with price.

Either of these companies can throw around some big surprises. We just hope they are good ones, like today's news has been ;)



I thought Mark Cerny was the lead hardware engineer for PS5? Assuming principal in this context is equivalent to being the lead on the project, and Mark himself said he was lead of the engineering team for PS5.

But I guess Principal could also refer to being a chief member, not necessarily the lead. In any case, it'll be interesting to see what PS5's RT solution is, whether it's RDNA2 or something proprietary, and if the latter, how they've integrated it into the APU.
Cerny's the lead system architect. He's much more involved with the overall design of the architecture itself. He's much higher up the chain.
 
Thats not the point. Point is, only 3 of them "knew" anything about PS5 meeting. Even before corona started to make headlines Sony announced they are not ready to show of PS5 just yet.

On top of that, guys like Jason who are gazillion times more informed about this came out and said he doesnt know of any meeting taking place in February. Its clear as a day they were guessing, because guess what? It makes complete sense. They cannot show it in Sept, Oct, Nov or December as its too late. They had CES in January, and therefore we are left with 6 months where they can show it of. Everything bare Feb/March made little sense few months back do they bet on that. And bet wrong.
None of us can prove that so we can just say they got lucky ? U can’t prove they knew or they didn’t . Anyways that’s not the point . He got the 12 tf xsx rdna 2 correct ;) that’s what we know
 

johnjohn

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None of us can prove that so we can just say they got lucky ? U can’t prove they knew or they didn’t . Anyways that’s not the point . He got the 12 tf xsx rdna 2 correct ;) that’s what we know
He'll be gone in a few days because of something he got wrong lol.
 
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R600

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Tommy Fisher Tommy Fisher is the only one who said Xbox SX 12tf RDNA 2, even the hardcore Xbox fanboys said it's RDNA 1

Let's not attack the guy just because we don't agree with him.

Plus I would like to add that anyone attack or insult a verfied insider should be banned. You can have a civil conversation with them but attacking them or insulting them isn't nice at all & people who do that should be banned.
He is also only guy who got RDNA cache structure wrong. And February meeting.

Even Senji or whatever the guys name here said XSX is RDNA2 (as has blueisviollet idiot on twitter). Lets give them some credit.

Funny how these guys didnt confirm these things before WindowsCentral leak. Or how Klee "confirmed" 64CU at 1475MHz leak (which was and still is bogus).
 

R600

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None of us can prove that so we can just say they got lucky ? U can’t prove they knew or they didn’t . Anyways that’s not the point . He got the 12 tf xsx rdna 2 correct ;) that’s what we know
Yes. Like Blueisviolet got 12TF RDNA2 right (because that psycho has been going on about 12TF RDNA2 before WC leak even though he knows nothing and casually spouts bs 24/7)
 

Whitecrow

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I'm sure Sony pressed the panic button.

RED ALERT!! RED ALERT!! XSEX OVER 12 TFLOPS!!!!! CODE BEAST CONFIRMED!, REPEAT, CODE BEAST CONFIRMED!
ENGINEERS, EVERYONE AT WORK LIKE RIGHT NOW!!

EXECUTING PLAN BEAT THE BEAST!!
THE FUTURE OF SONY IS IN YOUR HANDS!!

 

M-V2

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He is also only guy who got RDNA cache structure wrong. And February meeting.

Even Senji or whatever the guys name here said XSX is RDNA2 (as has blueisviollet idiot on twitter). Lets give them some credit.

Funny how these guys didnt confirm these things before WindowsCentral leak. Or how Klee "confirmed" 64CU at 1475MHz leak (which was and still is bogus).

As I said if he is an insider or not let's not attack people left & right just because we don't agree with them. Let's wait & see how it turns out.
 

DJ12

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He is also only guy who got RDNA cache structure wrong. And February meeting.

Even Senji or whatever the guys name here said XSX is RDNA2 (as has blueisviollet idiot on twitter). Lets give them some credit.

Funny how these guys didnt confirm these things before WindowsCentral leak. Or how Klee "confirmed" 64CU at 1475MHz leak (which was and still is bogus).
As opposed to you who got everything right lol

Not rdna 2
Not euv (give you that this may not be true still, but its likely euv)
No hardware ray tracing.

Get back in your hutch.
 

R600

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Does anyone know of a document, dating back June/July 2019, which specified a bunch of AMD chips in making, among them PS5 and XSX, with one featuring VRS, RT and 56CUs?

It was 6 months before WC got 12TF leak and 7 months before Phil Spencer showed huge XSX SOC which all but pointed directly to 12TF.

This document can no longer be found on the Internet and AMD has send request to Github and Google to remove any trace of it. Seems kinda on point, coincidentally.
 
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demigod

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He is also only guy who got RDNA cache structure wrong. And February meeting.

Even Senji or whatever the guys name here said XSX is RDNA2 (as has blueisviollet idiot on twitter). Lets give them some credit.

Funny how these guys didnt confirm these things before WindowsCentral leak. Or how Klee "confirmed" 64CU at 1475MHz leak (which was and still is bogus).

Oh boy, R600 back preaching his 9TF and trying to call Klee out as fake insider. That "bingo" was to the TF, not the CU count. BGs already said github leak is not correct as in final TF, that's straight from a developer right there.
 
As I said if he is an insider or not let's not attack people left & right just because we don't agree with them. Let's wait & see how it turns out.

Tommy's one of the only insiders who has not been verified. Also they've had instances of diving head-first into console warrior attack posts, not befitting of someone who wants to come off as a credible insider IMHO. And he was also caught pulling "info" from spec sheets that had been out for months online by then, but were forgotten by many people by the time he started posting them again.

I'm sorry but Tommy is not very reputable, they seem to have been piggybacking off obscure spec fantasy sheets and what other more reputable insiders have been claiming. That's my opinion on the matter anyway, nothing against them personally.

Does anyone know of a document, dating back June/July 2019, which specified a bunch of AMD chips in making, among them PS5 and XSX, with one featuring VRS, RT and 56CUs?

It was 6 months before WC got 12TF leak and 7 months before Phil Spencer showed huge XSX SOC which all but pointed directly to 12TF.

This document can no longer be found on the Internet and AMD has send request to Github and Google to remove any trace of it. Seems kinda on point, coincidentally.

Dunno where it's at anymore sadly but now you've got me very curious. Hopefully someone saved a copy and will be generous enough to post it back up anonymously?

Can you recall anything else the document said?
 
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R600

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Oh boy, R600 back preaching his 9TF and trying to call Klee out as fake insider. That "bingo" was to the TF, not the CU count. BGs already said github leak is not correct as in final TF, that's straight from a developer right there.
So we knew 12TF for days (because WC posted article days before TGAs) and then we had Klee saying 12TF few times after that…to Klee "bingoing" 64CU x 1475MHz math but only saying "oh no, its 12TF I am actually bingoing"?

Makes 0 sense. He was wrong about Lockhart and apparently about Feb meeting as well.
 
So we knew 12TF for days (because WC posted article days before TGAs) and then we had Klee saying 12TF few times after that…to Klee "bingoing" 64CU x 1475MHz math but only saying "oh no, its 12TF I am actually bingoing"?

Makes 0 sense. He was wrong about Lockhart and apparently about Feb meeting as well.

WC article doesn't have anything with Klee's info. LOL. He was right on XSX TFLOPS. Period
 

Sosokrates

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With a BOM of $450 , and xsx being rumoured to be slightly higher , unless in a highly unlikely situation where Sony has managed to get a better deal , I think the ram solutions will be very similar.

There's nothing more cringe worthy then fans saying that there preferred platform will get better deals, just because.,..... Of reasons.....
 

demigod

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So we knew 12TF for days (because WC posted article days before TGAs) and then we had Klee saying 12TF few times after that…to Klee "bingoing" 64CU x 1475MHz math but only saying "oh no, its 12TF I am actually bingoing"?

Makes 0 sense. He was wrong about Lockhart and apparently about Feb meeting as well.

Everyone was wrong about Lockhart. Ev vry One. Even your pal tom warren was wrong about it.
 

DJ12

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Speaking about the bombs, what if you could play almost all the Previous PS libraries in an enhanced situation?! You definitely don't want Bluepoint to do a DS remaster when you simply can play it in 4K/60fps via BC.
Hope this is true Tommy. We've heard this from some youtuber previously I forgot his name (mbg?) and all these know it alls that think they know about emulation cried its impossible.

Of course I play ps1, ps2 and ps3 games on my pc, but they know better obviously.
 
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