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Microsoft confirms 12 TF RDNA 2 for the Xbox Series X
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CyberPanda
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Or 499?
Vawn
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Seeing as the One X is $500, I don't see this being any cheaper than $600.
bRacing
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It’s 299
REDRZA MWS
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What are you on about? Yes, MS first party titles are on PC day and date. But most first party games are not just cross play, they are “play anywhere”, so essentially buy a title once, play it on your PC or your Xbox console.
Nothing useless about it really.
sendit
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Lets clear this up in simple facts:
* at Xbox one launch, it could Suspend and resume every single Xbox one game.
* at PS4 launch, the PS4 had no suspend and resume feature. It was added later on.
There. Any questions?
Thanks.
"What are you talking about? Xbox One had suspended games since 2013, PS4 got it much later. Next gen Xbox is increasing it to multiple games, not just one."
The last sentence made it seem like it was available to only one Xbox game. Which brings me to this question. Why is MS advertising this as some new feature for the Xbox eco system.
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Xbox outsells the PS in England ?
wat wat.... how about a game of cricket followed by a cup of tea and crumb pit ?
SuperLupeRap
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If that's the case then they'll be wiping the floor with the PS5 next gen in the USA by the looks of it.
JareBear: Remastered
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The dashboard and system OS menus are gonna really shine at 120fps
just plz target 60 for games, I beg you
4k/30 will be alright if settings are maxed and frame pacing is proper
just plz target 60 for games, I beg you
4k/30 will be alright if settings are maxed and frame pacing is proper
SuperLupeRap
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Or Australia, or Canada, or Mexico. You get the picture. They're just pissed MS is serving good news like nobodies business.
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Tygeezy
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Are they going to allow keyboard and mouse input for every game? How about gyroscope on their next gamepad? I cant play games that require aiming without either a mouse or a gyroscope. I don't care how powerful this console is if I can't get accurate controls. As big of an advantage as pc has historically had over console in horse power, it's been equal so in the input department and people aren't discussing this.
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Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
It's 240 inc 1 game
TLZ
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In which parallel universe did this happen? That never happened here. It's always the other way around. In fact, it was 8tf too.I think they even said that PS5 is 12 TF and Xbox is 9TF
Same parallel universe as the poster above? My dude, it was always RDNA 2 for XSX and RDNA 1 for PS5.
I seriously don't know how you guys twist this.
It's funny isn't it? When Cerny said it was hardware accelerated, certain people insisted and pushed it was software and Cerny's a liar, because of the word accelerated. Now Phil says it and it's dedicated hardware.That’s why they say HARDWARE-accelerated. Because they use SOFTWARE. Lol
Anyway, we will see when it will arrive. At least we know now that it’s going to be 12 TF
They're both hardware accelerated and they're both the same.
bRacing
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The 360 demolished the PS3 in England, so yeah. England hasnt been partisan in the past, and there’s no reason to think they‘ll change.
Batiman
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Seems fair
ClearMind
Report me for console warring (Xbot, Xbro etc.)
The delusion. The only time xbox and its fanbase thrives is before its time to deliver.
Hope you keep the same energy tho and dont backtrack into "sales dont matter" like xbox fanboys somehow always fall back to.
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zeroeffect
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Now that's some impressive stuff from Microsoft right there. I don't buy Microsoft consoles but they have my attention now. I'm officially nervous for Sony. 
Looks like all the leaks are real so that's not looking good for Sony's end unless they magically have something hidden we don't know about. I'm not sure what hardware wise? Anyone want to chime in at the possibility on PS5 being close to this in power? How's it even possible at this point based on the leaks that are clearly real.
Can't imagine this will be under $600 but if it is kudos to Microsoft biting that bullet because that's some price+performance gain.
Looks like all the leaks are real so that's not looking good for Sony's end unless they magically have something hidden we don't know about. I'm not sure what hardware wise? Anyone want to chime in at the possibility on PS5 being close to this in power? How's it even possible at this point based on the leaks that are clearly real.
Can't imagine this will be under $600 but if it is kudos to Microsoft biting that bullet because that's some price+performance gain.
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FranXico
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Current gen consoles can only run one game and one media application simultaneously (which you switch between).
Next gen, you will be able to do this with more games.
Shifty1897
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Wildly impressive as they are, those specs indicate an $800 console at minimum. All Sony has to do is release a $499 console and the first half of the generation is won.
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bRacing
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Delusion would explain someone who ignores the history of the 360. Hell, even the launch Xbox thrived briefly before MS killed it in favor of the 360. What’s with some of you fanboys deliberately forgetting facts?
Proelite
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PPIMystaceus
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I wouldn't say demolished, it was more 50/50 (at least based on my memory), which doesn't change your post too much, admittedly. Sony wouldn't want even that to happen again.
Vawn
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Who was it the other day predicting it to be $299?
Vawn
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Nah, $600.
ClearMind
Report me for console warring (Xbot, Xbro etc.)
Im not ignoring anything. But why are you ignoring the circumstances surrounding the 360 and PS3? Why are they applied here?
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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It's funny that some people can't be happy about one system without going on a hate campaign for the other. Such simple-mindedness.
I want the best for PS5 as well but at the end of the day I feel pretty confident where these systems will land in performance and yet I'm looking forward to both anyway so no need for me to sling mud on one or the other. The games I'll be looking forward to will be both platforms (plus Nintendo), and that's ultimately what matters: games.
Now that's some impressive stuff from Microsoft right there. I don't buy Microsoft consoles but they have my attention now. I'm officially nervous for Sony.
Looks like all the leaks are real so that's not looking good for Sony's end unless they magically have something hidden we don't know about. I'm not sure what hardware wise? Anyone want to chime in at the possibility on PS5 being close to this in power? How's it even possible at this point based on the leaks that are clearly real.
Can't imagine this will be under $600 but if it is kudos to Microsoft biting that bullet because that's some price+performance gain.
Given the consistency of Oberon testing, as well as its time relevance (last stepping was recorded with a log date of December 2019), and the fact it's persistently shown a 36CU active/40CU full chip, that is looking to be at least a major relevance to the fuller PS5 picture. However it'd seem the high frequencies would require more expensive cooling than usual (hinted at in the Bloomberg article). But @ 2GHz clocks, that gives around 9.2TF with 36CUs active, or 10.24TF with all 40 active.
However, you still have most insiders saying the two are very close in power. That runs contrarian not just to the Github leak, but also the various Oberon GPU benchmarks that've come out. And regarding the GPU benchmarks, several AMD-related products have been verified officially that relate directly to the benchmarks that've been datamined. Additionally, the XSX info today more or less affirms Arden was the XSX chip in the leak.
Overall, I still think the insiders can get some corroborative evidence to their claims if either another Oberon stepping comes forth with more CUs on it (at least 48, up to 54 active), but that would probably be a revision befitting another codename, and would probably have a log date of some time this year. It's also possible it could come about through an Oberon stepping that's fixed some type of silicon bug to enable more CUs on it (E0 revised the memory controller upping the bandwidth to 512 GB/s), but it remains to be seen. Both of those also hinge on Sony repeating the butterfly setup (18 x 3 = 54), assuming that was an option (but IMHO I would think an Oberon stepping would've already reflected one of these by now if devkits supposedly reflect this. Apparently a more recent PS5 devkit's been sent out so maybe there's an updated chip in there that we'll get a datamine of within a couple months from now?).
With that setup you could be looking at a PS5 between 10.4TF - 11.04TF (48CUs), OR possibly around 12.xTFs (54CUs), all depending on the clocks they decided to go with. But this hinges on something...
My thing on that front is, if such a stepping or revision exists, given the pattern of Oberon logging and all AMD-related products having listings on the same database (or set of databases), AND several of those having official products revealed lining up exactly with the benchmarks (regardless of the market the products are for)...if that such stepping/revision isn't found between now and nearing end of April, I'm just going to say it doesn't exist.
And by that point, that'll leave us with the Oberon we've been seeing persistently for a few months now, that would in such a case be the PS5. There's still a chance it isn't, but for me, the window is closing slowly for alternatives. I give it about two more months.
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The Pleasure
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Where tha anime tiddies at bruh? I see them switchin an fixin, but all I see is dude bruh ass slapping brolo games on the sexbox. Not sexy bro.
DynamiteCop!
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It will be $499 or Microsoft will pull some crazy ass mic drop stunt and usher this thing in at $399 effectively neutering anything Sony could possibly do. $599 is not in the cards.
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Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Can I be Jamison?
Vawn
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Haha. Good one.
DynamiteCop!
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Good one how? They're not fucking around; clearly. A loss to gain massive ground is not out of the question by any means especially when they have services busting through the seams left and right which would negate any of it.
Vawn
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Not several hundred dollars per unit.
JareBear: Remastered
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399 would be a massive loss per unit
Shifty1897
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The equivalent GPU is $800 alone, let alone the cost of the case, power supply, the SSD, disc drive, and controller. I think the cost of the machine will actually be $900 but Microsoft will eat $100 of the price at launch to retail at $799.
Care to make a bet? If it comes out at $599, I'll make my avatar white text on a black blackground that says VAWN WAS RIGHT and leave it up for a year. If it retails at $799, you make your avatar say SHIFTY WAS RIGHT and leave it up for a year. Any other retail price cancels the bet.
Care to make a bet? If it comes out at $599, I'll make my avatar white text on a black blackground that says VAWN WAS RIGHT and leave it up for a year. If it retails at $799, you make your avatar say SHIFTY WAS RIGHT and leave it up for a year. Any other retail price cancels the bet.
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DynamiteCop!
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Do you think they can't afford it or something or are incapable of offsetting it? This is how you dictate the entirety of the generation, a move like this shifts the industry.
bRacing
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It was most definitely not 50/50. But even if it was, losing that much mindshare and marketshare to MS was a huge deal, and likewise a huge deal when MS lost it back after the XB1 debacle.
ManaByte
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What does Phil Spencer get to do. After all he said they wouldn‘t be out of position on power or price and he knows more about their costs than anyone here.
DynamiteCop!
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Not to mention semi-custom chips and components ordered into the tens of millions and beyond =/= the same pricing as discrete retail hardware.
Vawn
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Lol. I can't argue with your great business logic here. You convinced me. They'll flush $300 down per unit sold. Come back when they announce that $399 price ($100 cheaper than they are selling the Xbox One X).
JareBear: Remastered
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Doesn't matter, 399 ain't happening
JLB
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welcome to the xbox family boy. sex, drugs and teraflops!
Vawn
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Why are you pointing me out?
DynamiteCop!
says the price will be $399. I just can't see $800. It's too out there. But so is $399 or as someone was saying the other day $299.
I can't see anything outside of the $500-$600 range, leaning more to $600.
DynamiteCop!
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The Xbox One X is $299 and will no doubt go lower as they begin phasing out production, not to mention we're still 8 months out so it can be dropped yet again.
You're totally clueless, loss leading can go an extremely long distance as the payoff is these people over the course of the generation investing heavily into the brand, purchasing software, using services, pouring continued money into the platform. The more people they rope in the higher the revenue potential, eventually the losses will be mitigated and they will have a massive base which continues to pour in profits.
You're poorly educated.
JareBear: Remastered
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the one X just dropped to 299 a few days ago, timed appropriately with XsX news dropping and next gen approaching, it will stay 299
c'mon man