BLAUcopter
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It's like 20 game cubes duct taped together.
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Microsoft confirms 12 TF RDNA 2 for the Xbox Series X
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DynamiteCop!
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Them lowering it further now doesn't make sense, they'll get biters at $299, and they'll get even more if they drop it again down the line. They're leaving the Xbox One behind (hardware) and looking forward.
StreetsofBeige
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Both Xbox One X and PS4 Pro are $300 US.
Not a good sign for PS5 pricing, since the current systems have much more power for the same price for X.
This can hold true to SeX and PS5. Same price, but SeX more powerful.
Not a good sign for PS5 pricing, since the current systems have much more power for the same price for X.
This can hold true to SeX and PS5. Same price, but SeX more powerful.
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JLB
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will do with every pixel that comes through my eyes, sweetheart!
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JareBear: Remastered
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XsX > SeX
Kagey K
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Roronoa Zoro
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It won't be above $599
Justin9mm
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It's implemented so poorly it might as well be non existent. Sometimes it does not even work. It's not fluid like the PS4.. On PS4 you can literally pause, enter rest mode, when console turns back on it literally boots straight to the pause screen. For some reason my X does not always do that.. The Xbox OS is a slow heap of shit and does not work properly.
WhiskeyDiver
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All I have to say is cool. I hope they use all that power to make high quality games that aren't riddled with microtransaction bugs...that you have to pay for to fix....and minimal gameplay bugs of course.
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Rightisright
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"Alot" of people were most likely Sony players hoping it wasnt 12tflops RDNA.
Power is power (tflops). People changed Phil saying "power" to Phil saying "performance", which he never did.
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Roronoa Zoro
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It'll be worse. PS3 was coming off a completely dominant generation. They both have BC but it's far less of an incentive when few people still have 360 games lying around and Xbox one didn't do as well
Arkam
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what color?
Hobbygaming
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XSX sounds like a beast but there's a few negatives on my mind still
No exclusives for a year or 2
Will Lockhart be a thing
No exclusives for a year or 2
Will Lockhart be a thing
Hobbygaming
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I dont like how silent Sony have been either
But there's no way I'm missing out on Naughty Dog games, Spider-man, GoW, etc
I just hope the PS5 reveal is soon
Rightisright
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How much do you think and extra 18 - 20 Cu's add to the cost of an APU if Sony comes out with 36 - 40?
It might cost $10.
Rightisright
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They are just trolling at this point.
Would most likely get the ban hammer on Era if they posted like they tweet.....
Sota4077
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Been an Xbox guy for a decade. Their updated UI is decent, but it is still a slow sluggish pain in the ass to deal with. I would praise Microsoft for a lot of what they have done this generation after the abysmal launch, but their UI is not one of them in my opinion.
Kagey K
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Stating facts and getting the word out is trolling now?
Kagey K
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You tried the updated one they launched today yet?
No way Sony has similar hardware. I’d imagine they are trying to tweak things up right now to atleast 10TF. Being 25% down on power at launch won’t be a good look.
diffusionx
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I really don't think it matters, especially if the price is lower. Console market has always been about affordability over theoretical performance numbers.
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Rightisright
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Have you been on Reee?
Antwix
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They must really think they have Sony beat here in terms of power. Otherwise, it'd be pretty embarrassing for them. Time will tell.
Dr.brain64
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299-349. Or else no one's buying it.
ManaByte
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There's no way it's $299. It'll be $499 to $549.
Yes and it'll be able to run Frozen II in real time at 8K 120fps.
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Arkage
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$599 in 2007 (PS3 release date in NA) is $746 in today's money.
$600 today is equal to $480 back then, so it would technically be cheaper than the PS3 by $120 dollars.
Though I still can't see them going for more than $499. Wonder if they'll actually be taking a hit on hardware costs like companies used to.
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BLAUcopter
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This is what Sony does or has done in the past. Just wait for the competitor to blow their load and then jump in. See "six axis" after the wii, see "PlayStation 4 disc-based games don’t need to be connected online to play" and "When a gamer buys a PS4 disc, they have the rights to use that copy of the game, they can trade in the game at retail, sell it to another person, lend it to a friend or keep it forever" after the Xbox one debacle.
This will be different and is most likely going to be a numbers dick waving contest. Faster SSD, more HDMI slots or just more TF.
Will be interesting none the less however I'd like MS up front for a while as while being the underdog this gen after a totally woeful launch, they've been going ham on the Xbox ecosystem and feature set where Sony has kinda done fuck all but provide more stability...
Begun the 2020 console wars have!
This will be different and is most likely going to be a numbers dick waving contest. Faster SSD, more HDMI slots or just more TF.
Will be interesting none the less however I'd like MS up front for a while as while being the underdog this gen after a totally woeful launch, they've been going ham on the Xbox ecosystem and feature set where Sony has kinda done fuck all but provide more stability...
Begun the 2020 console wars have!
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Sota4077
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Dude if you think the new consoles are going to be $349 you are absolutely fucking insane. The PS4 didn't even launch for that. It was $399. I hate to break it to you, but unless you are joking you are going to be real disappointed. $399 or even $499 is not a prohibitive cost for the console in any way. PS4 Pro and Xbox One X are both selling just fine at that price. In the days of launch they're not selling to casual consumers. Day one buyers are hardcore consumers generally.
They're both using x86 AMD CPUs and Navi GPUs in the same year. Neither is doing anything wacky like Kinect. AMD is probably offering similar deals to both.
And Sony could be 50% down on power and still beat Xbox Series X. Xbox only sells in English speaking countries; it's not a rivalry when one side always wins.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Didn't even consider the optics and possible foreshadowing of this. Nice catch.
In regards the power metrics, Pro and X have a gulf of 1.8. Say for example that stays the same for PS5 and XSX, would be 10.38 TF - 12.18 (I'm assuming XSX is at the absolute bottom of the sweetspot range). But this'd either also hint PS5 with a 48CU chip (1690MHz) or the clocks pushed even higher than 2GHz on a 40CU chip(2028MHz)
With them being RDNA2 tho, it's possible the sweetspot range's moved up by, say, 50MHz. If both systems are RDNA2 that would be 10.69TF (PS5; 48CU chip) - 12.5TF (XSX).
...assuming that isn't reading too much into the pricing move coupled with today's news, which I very much likely am hence marking this shit as spoilers xD
With them being RDNA2 tho, it's possible the sweetspot range's moved up by, say, 50MHz. If both systems are RDNA2 that would be 10.69TF (PS5; 48CU chip) - 12.5TF (XSX).
...assuming that isn't reading too much into the pricing move coupled with today's news, which I very much likely am hence marking this shit as spoilers xD
And now that seals the deal. 12 TF RDNA2. Not "of" RDNA2 on RDNA1 like some thought (though it was fair to still think that imho).
12 TF RDNA2. Good Lord. That actually also leaves more room on the die for whatever RT solution, 3D audio etc. etc. is present, too, I would assume. They've done an excellent job this go-round. Got me hoping for some PS5 news from Sony within the week
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12Dannu123
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Xbox has Lockhart to cover that gap. So other than games Sony has no advantage. Value (Game Pass), Price and power are pretty much Xbox.
12Dannu123
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If PS5 is more than Xbox then Sony will loose the casual market to Xbox.
diffusionx
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So other than the only thing that actually matters, Microsoft has it covered? That's still not a great position to be in.
And we don't know anything about Lockhart at this point.
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Justin9mm
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I don't think it will be $599 but even still, how do you expect gaming to evolve if they keep sticking to this magical $299-$399 price point? Everything in life goes up with inflation. Look at the cost of other tech and other things in your life and what the cost was then back when PS3 or even PS4 was released.
Your statement is ridiculous. You're living in la la land and if you can't see the value in what's in the console, what it has to offer and your enjoyment out of it then I think you may need to re-consider what it means to be a gamer, maybe you shouldn't be one if it's too expensive for you. Things cost money, there's lots of other things i'd also like to do in life as a hobby but don't have the money for it, I don't whinge that those hobbies are expensive and demand they lower the price of admission. It can't be the PS3 all over again because it's a PS5 with completely different technology and released many many years later.
Everyone wants something for nothing! Maybe they should just give it to you for free? Oh wait they cost $450 to make, they nearly are!
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pr0cs
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In my experience it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission
JareBear: Remastered
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So, I’m dead set that it will be 499 minimum, but I was wondering:
IF they somehow manage to sell this beast for 399, would that in turn cause a drop in desktop GPU prices?
why buy a 2070 Super for 499 when you can get the XsX for 399, for example?
IF they somehow manage to sell this beast for 399, would that in turn cause a drop in desktop GPU prices?
why buy a 2070 Super for 499 when you can get the XsX for 399, for example?
Justin9mm
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PS4 demolished Xbox One in England. It was easier to jump sides before as games were not compatible at the time between generations but now both consoles are able to keep your existing library and play the same as if it was still on your last gen console so people jumping back to Xbox from PlayStation is more unlikely as they've already invested in extensive physical and digital libraries. Don't forget the digital side really took off this generation, a lot of people want to be able to bring their digital library to the new console.
Tarkus98
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Ummm, I think he may be referring to Lockhart pricing.
bRacing
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Meh, if there’s enough of it on Gamepass, I won’t be bothered. Plus apparently my 360 games will work on the new console.
ManaByte
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If the 360 game will run on the Xbox One it'll run on the Series X.
Mass Shift
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Vast majority of gamers on both platforms have probably just a couple dozen games in their collection at most, majority of those being iterative annual 3rd-party games (Madden, FIFA, COD, Battlefield etc.) or games that are highly platform-agnostic in save data and other such things (Fortnite, Minecraft etc.).
I think people are overestimating how many non-hardcore gamers have 100s of games in their digital collections, let alone vast tons of them being 1st-party games/content. 3rd-party games are the favorites of the wider console market, and they tend to favor 3rd-party titles that happen to be platform-independent in their save data and DLC content, or are franchise annual games where they hardly ever go back to the older installment when the new one comes out.
And multimedia content is highly platform-agnostic, very much tied to the service itself so as long as the other platforms have the app, they'll have that content available to them. MS and Sony opening up on cross-platform multiplayer support further frees up the casuals to just go with whatever platform appeals to them on price, library and features and not worry if their friends are on a different platform. This even extends to core and hardcore gamers.
Probably not. Considering only something like 2% of all PC owners even have rigs that are considered high-end (or something like that), comparable to what the next-gen systems will bring (at the very least), I don't think either system needs to worry about a mass exodus of potential customers to PC and I doubt PC GPU card makers will suddenly offer anything to draw in legions of console gamers that they haven't already put out there.
The two seem to target pretty discrete markets despite some crossover; PC power users would still get the top-end GPU cards for productivity reasons. It's more than just elite PC gamers who buy those cards, after all.
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93xfan
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Looks like Sony finally gave their response:
gamerant.com
Spider-Man PS4 Artist Talks About Creating 'Undies' Skin
Marvel's Spider-Man artist Xavier Coelho-Kostolny talks about creating the 'Undies' Suit with 'mass appeal.'
gamerant.com
Solarstrike
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Heat dissipation, resolved
