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[MaestroMike]

PC gaming obsolete confirmed. master race destroyed.

 

[bRacing]

Pretty sure it was the price point plus the fact that Sony didnt try and fudge over customers by locking games to a system.
Also exclusives!!!

Sony wasn't winning the exclusives war at the start of last gen. They both sucked. And then Nintendo was over in the corner puking all over themselves with the Wii U. What a glorious time to be a gamer. Sony won because of price, and zero fuckery. Microsoft was all about the fuckery.

 

[bRacing]

It won't hurt Sony at all. They will reveal a great new console, with all their strong IPs and it will sell gangbusters.

But MS are doing something clever. They are looking to put clear daylight, from a technical point of view, between themselves and Sony. Not a case of getting the magnifying glass out - rather a significant performance gap. And they have to do that, because they don't have any games to draw you to their platform. That's not a dig. In a few years' time we might see the fruit of all their studio acquisitions, but for the time being, for the wonder of all those specs, I have yet to see anything from a gaming point of view that demands I pick one up. Also, and I will say this until I'm blue in the face, they should have never let Bungie go. I know they wanted to leave, but Destiny would sell the X on its own.

Also, I could obviously be talking absolute nonsense, and Sony reveal a powerhouse themselves. I'd be surprised though.

They don't need to.

It will hurt them greatly if people like me start buying third party games on the competitors console instead of theirs, which is what I will do if the power differential is large enough for me to notice. I've enjoyed some of Sony's exclusives this gen, but I'm sick to death of 30fps and tight FOVs.

 

[sendit]

What are you talking about? Xbox One had suspended games since 2013, PS4 got it much later. Next gen Xbox is increasing it to multiple games, not just one.

PS4 has it for all games.

 

[Stuart360]

PC gaming obsolete confirmed. master race destroyed.

Apart from this gen with the underpowered PS4 and XB1, its always like this at the start of a new gen. Next Gen consoles matching mid to high end PC's, and then a couple of years later they are low end. Thats because apart from the enthusiast PC crowd, most PC gamers have gpu's that can run console ports at higher framerates and resolutions, and settings. Hense why the 1060 is (or was, havent seen the updated Steam starts for a couple of years) the most used GPU this gen, because its OneX level. PC users dont need more than that to produce much better than console settings. Once next gen launches, you will see PC users upgrade again to something that gives them the same reslts over the comng generation.

 

[ManaByte]

PS4 has it for all games.

It's a OS level feature on both consoles so I don't know where this idea that one console had it while the other didn't comes from.

 

[LMJ]

Considering neither the PS Pro or X came anywhere near to being used to thier full potential it's going to be truely exciting to see games that will take advantage of such beefy specs

You've got my money MS sounds like one hell of a sexy beast!

Balls in your court now Sony, MS just brought thier A game, eagerly awaiting your announcement too

What a great time to be a gamer

 

[Gavin Stevens]

PS4 has it for all games.

Lets clear this up in simple facts:

* at Xbox one launch, it could Suspend and resume every single Xbox one game.
* at PS4 launch, the PS4 had no suspend and resume feature. It was added later on.

There. Any questions?

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Considering neither the PS Pro or X came anywhere near to being used to thier full potential it's going to be truely exciting to see games that will take advantage of such beefy specs

You've got my money MS sounds like one hell of a sexy beast!

Balls in your court now Sony, MS just brought thier A game, eagerly awaiting your announcement too

What a great time to be a gamer

this is actually a point that most people don’t actually think about too much.

They just go “oh twice as powerful as X? That’s not much but cool!”. They don’t understand or forget that both the Pro and the X are essentially just rendering the older games at a higher res (and sometimes with upped effects). The actual power of these consoles hasn’t been touched upon at all.

Take a search for the woodland video running on a pro without PS4 base console constraints. It’s glorious, and amateur hour compared to what these new consoles will do.

 

[darkinstinct]

It's a OS level feature on both consoles so I don't know where this idea that one console had it while the other didn't comes from.

PS4 received it in a system update one and a half years after launch is why.

Sony confirms next PS4 system update adds suspend/resume, button mapping and more

Sony confirmed details of the next system update (version 2.50) for PlayStation 4 today, which adds the long-promised suspend/resume feature, a host of new accessibility options and 60 frames per...

www.polygon.com

 

[Come On Tars]

I got a pretty sick with it computer. 1080ti yada yada. This new xbox looks tempting.

 

[Armorian]

PC gaming obsolete confirmed. master race destroyed.

"Can't play in less than 120fps" crowd will be punched in the balls by CPU requirements of next gen ports (meaning no CPU on the market will allow that framerate in many games for years to come), that's for sure.

 

[Stuart360]

"Can't play in less than 120fps" crowd will be punched in the balls by CPU requirements of next gen ports (meaning no CPU on the market will allow that framerate in many games for years to come), that's for sure.

They reduce settings to get those framerates, even some people with 1080ti's and 2080ti's reduce setings to get those 144+fps ranges. Thats the beauty of PC gaming, player choice.

 

[Shin]

From the podcast with Ted Price (Insomniac Games): http://interactive.libsyn.com/head-of-xbox-phil-spencer

When I make statements about who I see as the competition and who I don't see as the competition...I would much rather see companies that have been part of bringing the games industry to where it is today be leaders for the next 20 or 30 years, because there's a learning and responsibility those teams have held for a long time that has brought us to that point. I think that learning and understanding and responsibility should be part of gaming's next 50 years. [...] I find that my conversations with those other companies are usually more collaborative than "two enter, one may leave" scenarios. In that world, I'd love the industry to continue to evolve through both competition and cooperation. We should compete in the areas that help us get better. I love the brands that are in the industry today and the safety players have with those brands and for us, as an industry, it's great when all those brands continue to grow.

 

[Jigsaah]

None really, I play cheap tat off Steam - but I still recognise that they have a distinct and clear gaming vision. Much like Nintendo. They have their usual Santa Monica stuff, so Uncharted, Last of Us and God of War. Then the new staples like Horizon alongside whatever Kojima cooks up. Atlus deliver the Japanese fare. They also did a good job of getting certain exclusivity arrangements on 3rd party titles (a practise I hate, but seems to be standard)

I don't see that with MS at the moment, and I think that's part of the reason why they're making such a play for power. It's the thing that makes them different. Watching their adverts, you'd be tricked into thinking you're picking up an Aston Martin.

What MS needs is the best console shooter in class, exclusive to their console. Perhaps that will be Halo, but it needs to be the game that defines online FPS for the next decade.

So Halo, Gears and Forza....Uncharted, Last of us and God of war. Throw in SM stuff, as you say, toss in playground games Fable? new IP from ninja theory in project mara....hellblade...horizon and kojima stuff

I'm sorry I just don't understand what you mean by clear gaming vision...because if your looking at this in context, you would think it meant your content with sequels from tried and true franchises with a couple of new IP's sprinkled in there.

Are you sure you aren't forgetting somethings here?

 

[Ogbert]

It will hurt them greatly if people like me start buying third party games on the competitors console instead of theirs, which is what I will do if the power differential is large enough for me to notice. I've enjoyed some of Sony's exclusives this gen, but I'm sick to death of 30fps and tight FOVs.

Yes, fair enough. If the difference is that great, then Sony might have dropped a bollock.

We'll see.

 

[Armorian]

They reduce settings to get those framerates, even some people with 1080ti's and 2080ti's reduce setings to get those 144+fps ranges. Thats the beauty of PC gaming, player choice.

Assuming you can reduce things that stress cpu the most, in many recent games you can mainly adjust graphics load.

 

[SleepDoctor]

True, its sad no one gives a shit about MS or Xbox brand outside USA.

No one? But all you guys are in here crying over the revealed specs ???

Im quite enjoying the meltdowns you guys are having, please continue "not giving a shit" about the console like you you been all day lol.

 

[Rightisright]

Lets be honest here, 12 tflops was leaked over a year ago on Reddit, leaked by Windows Central after, confirmed by Phil Spencer when he said XSX had twice the power (not performance as hacks have been misquoting him), and confirmed by DFs sources. The only real bit of new info was RDNA2, which was pushed by ALOT of XBOX fanboys like Blue on Twitter.

Anyone saying there was any question over if XSX was 12tflops Navi before this either spoke English as their second language, or they were just plain thick.

 

[Stuart360]

Assuming you can reduce things that stress cpu the most, in many recent games you can mainly adjust graphics load.

These days, loads of graphical effects are tied to the cpu as well as gpu, such as shadow quality, shadow distance, grass/foliage quantity and range, view distnce, asset quality, etc. Also people with high end cpu's like I9's will still be far ahead of next gen console cpu's.

 

[ManaByte]

Lets be honest here, 12 tflops was leaked over a year ago on Reddit, leaked by Windows Central after, confirmed by Phil Spencer when he said XSX had twice the power (not performance as hacks have been misquoting him), and confirmed by DFs sources. The only real bit of new info was RDNA2, which was pushed by ALOT of XBOX fanboys like Blue on Twitter.

Anyone saying there was any question over if XSX was 12tflops Navi before this either spoke English as their second language, or they were just plain thick.

Or they were in denial.

 

[Stuart360]

Lets be honest here, 12 tflops was leaked over a year ago on Reddit, leaked by Windows Central after, confirmed by Phil Spencer when he said XSX had twice the power (not performance as hacks have been misquoting him), and confirmed by DFs sources. The only real bit of new info was RDNA2, which was pushed by ALOT of XBOX fanboys like Blue on Twitter.

Anyone saying there was any question over if XSX was 12tflops Navi before this either spoke English as their second language, or they were just plain thick.

To be fair, a lot of people was thinking RDNA 2 vs GCN, in terms of 'twice as powerful as the OneX' could of meant like 9tf RDNA2. The real news here that it IS 12tf, and RDNA2.

 

[Renozokii]

This thread is insufferable with the console warrior nonsense. Even before clicking to open this thread this morning i was expecting to wade through it page after page and i was right. Best thing to do is the weed out the bad ones by putting them on ignore. That way you don't have to sift through mountains of garbage.
At the end of the day you have people who's sole aim is to devalue real discussion by any means necessary.

But even that console war stuff is one thing. Some funny memes and jokes have come out of it and rivalry isn't necessarily a bad thing. I don't get why super basic garbage like that isn't just a perma ban though.

 

[Deleted member 471617]

After today, it's looking more and more likely that Xbox Series X will be my primary next gen gaming console. All I need now is CDPR to announce Cyberpunk 2077 for Series X day one at Microsoft's E3 showcase and I'll be even more ready than I already am for for next gen!!! Screw any delays!!! Let's go, let's go!!!

 

[bRacing]

True, its sad no one gives a shit about MS or Xbox brand outside USA.

Tell England they’re no one.

 

[Stuart360]

After today, it's looking more and more likely that Xbox Series X will be my primary next gen gaming console. All I need now is CDPR to announce Cyberpunk 2077 for Series X day one at Microsoft's E3 showcase and I'll be even more ready than I already am for for next gen!!! Screw any delays!!! Let's go, let's go!!!

CDPR already announced today that the Series X Cyberpunk upgrade will be free, so a next gen version is def coming.

 

[Ogbert]

So Halo, Gears and Forza....Uncharted, Last of us and God of war.

Forza is wonderful. Truly wonderful. But Gears 4 and 5 were both awful. I downloaded 5 on Gamepass, and it was so boring I could barely make it out of the tutorial. The franchise feels dead. Like something that should have ended ten years ago (having been, at that point, about the coolest game on console). It never evolved. Halo has had a bad gen. Sea of Thieves looked great, and then you played it and realised it was a tech demo for water effects. And then you had stuff like Crackdown 3, which was fun in the way that playing an Amiga game is enjoyable. They've just lost their way.

Sony, in contrast, has nailed the single player, big budget title. I'd rather chew glass than play Uncharted, but it's polished and has an audience.

MS just need to get their audience back, and that's by having the the best console shooter. Needs to blow Destiny and Overwatch and COD out of the water. Needs to spend two to three years sat in the top 5 on Twitch.

That's what will bring X box back.

 

[Stuart360]

Tell England they’re no one.

And to the 85mil 360 owners. I think 'No one really gives a shit about XB1 outside of US and UK' (and Japan obviously) would be a bit more accurate

 

[Jigsaah]

Xbox series X bad design.

Yea, that safe...stick with that

 

[Jigsaah]

Forza is wonderful. Truly wonderful. But Gears 4 and 5 were both awful. I downloaded 5 on Gamepass, and it was so boring I could barely make it out of the tutorial. The franchise feels dead. Like something that should have ended ten years ago (having been, at that point, about the coolest game on console). It never evolved. Halo has had a bad gen. Sea of Thieves looked great, and then you played it and realised it was a tech demo for water effects. And then you had stuff like Crackdown 3, which was fun in the way that playing an Amiga game is enjoyable. They've just lost their way.

Sony, in contrast, has nailed the single player, big budget title. I'd rather chew glass than play Uncharted, but it's polished and has an audience.

MS just need to get their audience back, and that's by having the the best console shooter. Needs to blow Destiny and Overwatch and COD out of the water. Needs to spend two to three years sat in the top 5 on Twitch.

That's what will bring X box back.

You barely made it out of the tutorial and are ready to claim Gears 5 sucks...

Wow.

 

[Armorian]

These days, loads of graphical effects are tied to the cpu as well as gpu, such as shadow quality, shadow distance, grass/foliage quantity and range, view distnce, asset quality, etc. Also people with high end cpu's like I9's will still be far ahead of next gen console cpu's.

It should work like that but in many games you can get drops to for example ~50 fps in some place in maximum settings and same 50 fps on ultra low 720p, cpu load is unadjustable in many titles as games are designed around it.

If next gen game runs ~60 fps (probably slight above if it's stable) on 3+GHz Zen 2 it magicaly won't run twice as fast on 14nm+++++ Intel cpu, just some % faster. Current gen consoles were far from CPU top power in 2013 and they are quite close now. CPU power aside from core count won't increase much in upcoming years.

 

[Ogbert]

You barely made it out of the tutorial and are ready to claim Gears 5 sucks...

In my defence, I barely make it out of most tutorials these days.

 

[Jigsaah]

In my defence, I barely make it out of most tutorials these days.

Do you also say those games suck?

 

[Stuart360]

It should work like that but in many games you can get drops to for example ~50 fps in some place in maximum settings and same 50 fps on ultra low 720p, cpu load is unadjustable in many titles as games are designed around it.

If next gen game runs ~60 fps (probably slight above if it's stable) on 3+GHz Zen 2 it magicaly won't run twice as fast on 14nm+++++ Intel cpu, just some % faster. Current gen consoles were far from CPU top power in 2013 and they are quite close now. CPU power aside from core count won't increase much in upcoming years.

Regardless of what Phil and others say, by the end of next gen most games, percentage wise, will of been 30fps over the whole gen. Sure there will almost certainly be more 60fps games than this gen, especially in the first couple of years, but most games will be 30fps over the whole gen. And it will always be like that on console, until Sony and Microsoft mandate 60fps in all games, which they wont do.
PC will always be the place to be if you want high framerates, resolutions, and settings. You have to pay for it of course, but its still fact.

 

[Ogbert]

Do you also say those games suck?

On the whole yes, but I admit I could be wrong.

Gears is bloody awful though. Same guns, same reheated story. Just let it go.

I struggled through 4 up until the point that the Felix was in a massive monster vagina and then decided to call it quits.

 

[darkangel-212559]

Hollllyyyy SHIIIIIITTTTTT

Sony better reveal specs soon or I'll be jumping on the MS next gen ship FO SHIZZLE DE LIZZZLE BOIIIISSSS

 

[Armorian]

Regardless of waht Phil and others say, by the end of next gen most games, percentage wise, will of been 30fps over the whole gen. Sure there will almostc certainly be more 60fps games than this gen, especially in the first couple of years, but most games will be 30fps over the whole gen. And it will always be like that on console, until Sony and Microsoft mandate 60fps in all games, which they wont do.
PC will always be the place to be if you want high framerates, resolutions, and settings. You have to pay for it of course, but its still fact.

Yeah, majority of titles will be 30 fps and that's even worse, CPU heavy games will run like dog shit on PC, even 60 fps will be a pipe dream in some titles. ACOr and ACOd are super heavy on CPU side right now and this games are designed to run 30 fps on jaguar.

I'm a PC gamer mainly but future is not looking bright

 

[EverydayBeast]

All credit to M$

 

[ManaByte]

All credit to M$

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

Smart Delivery

This is the only thing I care about. So this is basically like BC, right?

I hope Sony does something like this. I doubt it since we had to re-buy old games.

 

[Stuart360]

Yeah, majority of titles will be 30 fps and that's even worse, CPU heavy games will run like dog shit on PC, even 60 fps will be a pipe dream in some titles. ACOr and ACOd are super heavy on CPU side right now and this games are designed to run 30 fps on jaguar.

I'm a PC gamer mainly but future is not looking bright

PC optimization is always a bit shoddy in the last 2 or 3 years of a gen, thats because most devs know PC users have good enough PC's to brute force console ports at that point. PC optimization is always better in the first half of a comsole gen, hense how Digital Foundry's 'budget PC' build would run games better than PS4 at the start of the gen, even though it was sporting a GTX750, which is supoposedly less powerful than the gpu in PS4.
Also certain PC games from the likes of Ubisoft are always ridiculously cpu dependant on PC.

 

[darkinstinct]

Better late than $oony. M$ in 2020, seriously?

 

[CyberPanda]

 

[ManaByte]

This is the only thing I care about. So this is basically like BC, right?

I hope Sony does something like this. I doubt it since we had to re-buy old games.

It's forward compatibility. BC is already there and the console natively plays all OG Xbox through Xbox One games better. Smart Delivery gives you a Xbox Series X version of a game you already bought on the Xbox One.

 

[Jigsaah]

On the whole yes, but I admit I could be wrong.

Gears is bloody awful though. Same guns, same reheated story. Just let it go.

I struggled through 4 up until the point that the Felix was in a massive monster vagina and then decided to call it quits.

Gears 4's story was about

On the whole yes, but I admit I could be wrong.

Gears is bloody awful though. Same guns, same reheated story. Just let it go.

I struggled through 4 up until the point that the Felix was in a massive monster vagina and then decided to call it quits.

I won't spoil it for anybody else hear, but Gears 4 and 5 were related in story. Gears 4 was about how Marcus went into hiding after his wife died and his son JD went rogue against the COG along with Kait who's mother Reyna was captured by the new threat to humanity. JD and crew rejoin the COG and seek out Marcus to help deal with the new threat.

At the end of Gears 4 it's found that Kait's Mother is still alive and being transformed into one of the Swarm, where she essentially has to "pull the plug on her own mother to save her from am existence living as the enemy.

Gears 5 continues and concludes that story. So when you say it's reheated...I think you mean "underground aliens threaten humanity again and biceptually endowed soldiers have to join forces to save the world". Yes, if you look at it through a simplistic lens then sure, it's reheated. However, because you haven't had the stomach to play through the game you denied yourself to learn about some of the deeper sagas that were happening during the game.

Mind you, I am not a huge fan of Gears in general. Of Microsoft's exclusives, I feel Gears is the weakest. All I'm saying is that the reasons you see Gears the way you do is because you didn't give it a full playthrough before passing judgement. Granted, a game should be able to hold your attention enough to get to the end in the first place and if the gameplay wasn't enough to get you there then to each his own.

I have a similar problem with Death Stranding and Uncharted 4. The difference is that I am not ready to say those games suck, because I haven't given them a proper playthrough.

 

[Stuart360]

Damn that jump from orig Xbox to 360, the magic 10 times jump. Series X to the orig XB1 is close as well. More so infact, if you take into account RDNA2.

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

It's forward compatibility. BC is already there and the console natively plays all OG Xbox through Xbox One games better. Smart Delivery gives you a Xbox Series X version of a game you already bought on the Xbox One.

Thanks for that

 

[spartan30gr]

Meanwhile in the sony headquarters

 

[Romulus]

I wonder what benefit this has to release this information now? Sony has time to increase clock speeds and RAM if anything to try and muddy the tech talk waters, even if XSX is clearly more powerful.

Not only that, it gives them a better pricing idea.

 

[Batiman]

Can’t wait for both of these damn consoles. Really hoping there’s like a 2 month space between their launches. Not sure how I’m gonna explain this to the wife..