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Microsoft confirms 12 TF RDNA 2 for the Xbox Series X

Discusguy

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I don't think it will be $599 but even still, how do you expect gaming to evolve if they keep sticking to this magical $299-$399 price point? Everything in life goes up with inflation. Look at the cost of other tech and other things in your life and what the cost was then back when PS3 or even PS4 was released.

Your statement is ridiculous. You're living in la la land and if you can't see the value in what's in the console, what it has to offer and your enjoyment out of it then I think you may need to re-consider what it means to be a gamer, maybe you shouldn't be one if it's too expensive for you. Things cost money, there's lots of other things i'd also like to do in life as a hobby but don't have the money for it, I don't whinge that those hobbies are expensive and demand they lower the price of admission. It can't be the PS3 all over again because it's a PS5 with completely different technology and released many many years later.

Everyone wants something for nothing! Maybe they should just give it to you for free? Oh wait they cost $450 to make, they nearly are!

I have the X , Pro, and the Switch. What do you own?

Regular people don’t think about inflation. They see the present day price and ask themselves if they could afford it or not. Is it worth it?

I’m pretty happy with my current consoles. I can play the waiting game. It’s not like I’m short on games. That’s never gonna be a problem for me.
 

Justin9mm

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I have the X , Pro, and the Switch. What do you own?

Regular people don’t think about inflation. They see the present day price and ask themselves if they could afford it or not. Is it worth it?

I’m pretty happy with my current consoles. I can play the waiting game. It’s not like I’m short on games. That’s never gonna be a problem for me.
That's right regular people don't think about inflation but when statements are made like $599 is too expensive for an XSX, I need to educate why it is a higher cost.

I own an X, Pro and mid tier gaming PC, no switch. I don't game on my PC much anymore, too much hassle and tweaking.
 
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Why are people being combative regarding pricing and relative specs? Those barely matter. I assume it's just the kids. Any middle class grown adult anywhere can buy all systems and even a gaming pc and maintain them all at the same time, if they had to. but they logically won't due to massive redundancy and cross platform spam. Xbox series x is already dead to me since exclusives won't be a thing. I'm only interested in the ps5 because of potential exclusives and nothing else.
 
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Joey.

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$399 doesn't seem possible.
$499 we'll be lucky
$599 sounds about right given the specs.

I think Series X will be $599 USD and the Series S will be $499 USD
I wouldn't be surprised if the PS5 is less powerful and priced at $499 USD as well

I can't see next-gen prices being $399 this time around, it doesn't seem possible to get those materials that cheap.

Xbox have positioned themselves very well. Price, Game Pass Value, Performance/Specs, etc. Now they need to really churn up some quality first party games. Hellblade 2, Project Mara is a good start. There's alot of pressure on Halo: Infinite, it must deliver. They've acquired some real good studios in the past few years - they have to put those to good use. I'm hoping that we're getting the specs out of the way now (which is good because it keeps the hype & momentum up) and that E3 will hopefully be solely on just blasting us with great games.

As for exclusives, I don't think that's a problem. As long as they can't be found on PS5 or Switch...does it really matter? I think its a niche market of people who have sophisticated gaming PCs and also game on consoles. Xbox doesn't care about that small fragment, and you're still buying their games. It won't hurt the Xbox. There will always be console gamers who prefer consoles over PCs.
 
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Discusguy

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That's right regular people don't think about inflation but when statements are made like $599 is too expensive for an XSX, I need to educate why it is a higher cost.

I own an X, Pro and mid tier gaming PC, no switch. I don't game on my PC much anymore, too much hassle and tweaking.

$599 is too expensive for your average gamer. Then you factor in a couple games at launch or even 1 game. Just look at sales of the Pro or X at launch. If price wasn’t a factor Sony wouldn’t be waiting on MS to put out the price for Series X.
 

pr0cs

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$599 is too expensive for your average gamer. Then you factor in a couple games at launch or even 1 game. Just look at sales of the Pro or X at launch. If price wasn’t a factor Sony wouldn’t be waiting on MS to put out the price for Series X.
Will depend on messaging. You can bet that Microsoft is going to be pimping gamepass like nuts, likely 3 months included for free with console purchase which should ease the price shock if they message it properly.
 

Justin9mm

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$599 is too expensive for your average gamer. Then you factor in a couple games at launch or even 1 game. Just look at sales of the Pro or X at launch. If price wasn’t a factor Sony wouldn’t be waiting on MS to put out the price for Series X.
Is it? Times have changed. Who says it is? So we should have something not much better than current gen just so we can make it accessible to everyone. It's statements like that which hold back the evolution of gaming. When flagship mobile phones went up in price because people wanted faster processors and better cameras, did they fail because we said they were too expensive for your average phone user. Get with the times buddy! If its too expensive, plenty of fun to be had with a current gen console. Gaming on a next gen console is not a right, it's a privilege. You sound ridiculous!

I know a price also has to be attractive, but even if it was $599? what is expensive about it? They are giving you components that you couldn't buy or build cheaper yourself.
 

sendit

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Why are people being combative regarding pricing and relative specs? Those barely matter. I assume it's just the kids. Any middle class grown adult anywhere can buy all systems and even a gaming pc and maintain them all at the same time, if they had to. but they logically won't due to massive redundancy and cross platform spam. Xbox series x is already dead to me since exclusives won't be a thing. I'm only interested in the ps5 because of potential exclusives and nothing else.

This. I prefer playing a game with the best possible performance money can buy.
 
All I have to say is coo i hope they use all that power to make high quality games that arent riddled with microtransaction bugs...that you have to pay for to fix....and minimal gameplay bugs of course.
How are you a gold member and manage to write a post such as this? What's the prerequisite to become a gold member anyway? Wow.
 

Stuart360

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$599 is too expensive for your average gamer. Then you factor in a couple games at launch or even 1 game. Just look at sales of the Pro or X at launch. If price wasn’t a factor Sony wouldn’t be waiting on MS to put out the price for Series X.
Well they could do $599 and include a couple of years of GamePass Ultimate or something. I still think they will try and push hard for $499 though.
$399 would be a serious statement of intent, which is why they wont go that low lol.
 
$599 is too expensive for your average gamer.

The average gamer (in the context of the $150 billion a year industry-economically speaking, including mobile gaming where the whales are predominantly in the same demographic) is a 30-37 year old middle class male. So the average gamer (aka consumer focused on gaming) can absolutely afford multiple $600 consoles and a pc on top. The average person playing games is a different story, but not very relevant as far as the spending market is concerned.
 
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HolyTruth

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Why are people being combative regarding pricing and relative specs? Those barely matter. I assume it's just the kids. Any middle class grown adult anywhere can buy all systems and even a gaming pc and maintain them all at the same time, if they had to. but they logically won't due to massive redundancy and cross platform spam. Xbox series x is already dead to me since exclusives won't be a thing. I'm only interested in the ps5 because of potential exclusives and nothing else.

Yup. People without money don’t even have a nice 4K OLED tv anyways.
mostly still an old 1080p model that’s why Xbox series S makes sense.
 

HolyTruth

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$599 is too expensive for your average gamer. Then you factor in a couple games at launch or even 1 game. Just look at sales of the Pro or X at launch. If price wasn’t a factor Sony wouldn’t be waiting on MS to put out the price for Series X.

problem is, those „games“ don’t have nice TVs that support all those features, maybe not even 4K.
And they don’t invest much in gaming anyways. Mostly just fifa or just CoD every year and that’s it.
Console makers actually loose money with those people.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

Member
Well they could do $599 and include a couple of years of GamePass Ultimate or something. I still think they will try and push hard for $499 though.
$399 would be a serious statement of intent, which is why they wont go that low lol.
Gamepass?
No thx.
Take a loss MS sell it for $549 with Halo Infinite.
 
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Deleted member 471617

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CDPR already announced today that the Series X Cyberpunk upgrade will be free, so a next gen version is def coming.

Once CDPR delayed Cyberpunk 2077, I already expected there to be a next gen port but what im hoping is that it will be day one for Series X. Wouldn't mind and actually hoping CDPR delays the game two more months and it comes out when Series X launches. Probably won't happen but im hoping.
 

HolyTruth

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Once CDPR delayed Cyberpunk 2077, I already expected there to be a next gen port but what im hoping is that it will be day one for Series X. Wouldn't mind and actually hoping CDPR delays the game two more months and it comes out when Series X launches. Probably won't happen but im hoping.

Doesn’t really matter now with Xbox though.
you can buy the ONE Version play now and then get the SERIES X version for FREE and play the best version.
It’s not like lastgen or potentially with PlayStation, where you would have to buy AGAIN.
 

lachesis

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I think $599 is reasonable price for HW like this. Yes, it is indeed expensive, but also we are talking about high end gamers at this current state. Perhaps they may eat some losses on each hardware, so maybe they won't even allocate too many of the units to begin with.

The way I see it - I think MS is thinking about updating the consoles every 2-3 years with better hardware. Their newfound policy of BC + FC, pretty much confirms that older generations would get phased out in sytle of iOS devices and all - probably around 7-8 year mark. Xbox branding seems to trying to build just a platform in their vision of ubiquity. PC, console, mobile etc etc - quite different from traditional console marketing.

And FC+BC is one thing MS has been doing years and years on their Windows PC. I find it rather interesting how it would pan out. Will such idea be successful to turn around the traditional console gamers? As an old-timer gamer, I still like to buy physical media - but always worry about the hardware failure and future gens etc. If it ensures future compatibility - I welcome additional investment in upgraded hardware every few years, as long as a strong "trade-in" policy, not "gamestop rip-off" policy - I think I'd be very much interested in it.
 
This is much better than I expected and hoped not gonna lie. RDNA 2 @ 12 TF is not very far from 2080 Ti which is simply crazy good. Terrific job AMD and MS!

I just hope now that PS5 GPU perf will be close.

No. No man, just no. It's between a 1080ti and a 2080S. Will it punch above its weight? Absolutely. But dont spread this FUD
 

Zoro7

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So PS5 is supposedly the weaker console and Sony is struggling to find a low price point. There is no way the almighty Xbox will be anything less than 550. And at that price point it wont be winning any wars. Quote me guys, quote me.
 
I still think ps5 will be more powerful at launch and will surprise us with much better features and exclusives. The latter is already guaranteed. Remember, these forums are representative of less than 1% of gamers opinions.
 

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So PS5 is supposedly the weaker console and Sony is struggling to find a low price point. There is no way the almighty Xbox will be anything less than 550. And at that price point it wont be winning any wars. Quote me guys, quote me.

Microsoft will probably match any price of the ps5, they are looking at profits longterm. they are trying to be the Netflix of gaming. they have the money to do it.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

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Er Halo Infinite will probably be on Gamepass, same with some of the other launch games, that was my point. The console seems expensive at $599, but you get Gamepass so already have tons of games for free.
I think they will go $499 anyway. Posibly $450 if they are serious.
Yeah well I am one of the anti gamepass gamers.
A pack in like Halo is much much more appealing to me and id wager most gamers.
 

HolyTruth

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Yeah well I am one of the anti gamepass gamers.
A pack in like Halo is much much more appealing to me and id wager most gamers.

lol anti gamepass gamer 😂👍 WTF. What a time to be alive.

so ne fair though, are you also an anti psnow gamer? What did you say when ps now launched? You DO know that Sony did it first, right? It was Sony’s idea in the first place, you know that, right? Right?
 

Zoro7

Banned
Microsoft will probably match any price of the ps5, they are looking at profits longterm. they are trying to be the Netflix of gaming. they have the money to do it.

As rich as they are, can you imagine any business taking a 100 plus loss per console sale? I dont think so.
 

S0ULZB0URNE

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lol anti gamepass gamer 😂👍 WTF. What a time to be alive.

so ne fair though, are you also an anti psnow gamer? What did you say when ps now launched? You DO know that Sony did it first, right? It was Sony’s idea in the first place, you know that, right? Right?
I don't support those services as I can see the grass from the trees ;)
Gamepass is better than PSNow but both I loathe.
 
Didn't even consider the optics and possible foreshadowing of this. Nice catch.

In regards the power metrics, Pro and X have a gulf of 1.8. Say for example that stays the same for PS5 and XSX, would be 10.38 TF - 12.18 (I'm assuming XSX is at the absolute bottom of the sweetspot range). But this'd either also hint PS5 with a 48CU chip (1690MHz) or the clocks pushed even higher than 2GHz on a 40CU chip(2028MHz)

With them being RDNA2 tho, it's possible the sweetspot range's moved up by, say, 50MHz. If both systems are RDNA2 that would be 10.69TF (PS5; 48CU chip) - 12.5TF (XSX).

...assuming that isn't reading too much into the pricing move coupled with today's news, which I very much likely am hence marking this shit as spoilers xD



And now that seals the deal. 12 TF RDNA2. Not "of" RDNA2 on RDNA1 like some thought (though it was fair to still think that imho).

12 TF RDNA2. Good Lord. That actually also leaves more room on the die for whatever RT solution, 3D audio etc. etc. is present, too, I would assume. They've done an excellent job this go-round. Got me hoping for some PS5 news from Sony within the week ;)

Surely this thing must have performance and other enhancements over first gen RDNA besides the addition, which means the performance potential for this thing is just.. wow.
 

Stuart360

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Yeah well I am one of the anti gamepass gamers.
A pack in like Halo is much much more appealing to me and id wager most gamers.

Thats interesting thinking. I dont agree and i'd also wager most gamers wouldnt agree. 1 pack in game, compared to 100+?, including probably multiple launch games?
 
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Shmunter

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As rich as they are, can you imagine any business taking a 100 plus loss per console sale? I dont think so.
Taking a loss on a console is nothing new. Capturing a user that spends within the eco system over a lifetime is the goal.

It’s one reason consoles are made by 1st party only. Licensing it out to other manufacturers would result in too expensive a unit as hardware would need to be profitable to the manufacturers.

Razor blade model.
 

Stuart360

Member
499 it’s basically the One X, that was the testing water. I got that a few years back, it’s not that hard to understand guys. Sweet spot for premium.
True but the OneX was advertized as a premium console, for the hardcore. Even Phil said that numerous times. It wasn't made for the mass market, while SeriesX is.
It would be crazy if Microsoft thought the same and went for $399.
 

sinnergy

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True but the OneX was advertized as a premium console, for the hardcore. Even Phil said that numerous times. It wasn't made for the mass market, while SeriesX is.
It would be crazy if Microsoft thought the same and went for $399.
I think this is premium, Lockhart will launch along side 349, 399, mass appeal.
 

MilkyJoe

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In which parallel universe did this happen? That never happened here. It's always the other way around. In fact, it was 8tf too.


Same parallel universe as the poster above? My dude, it was always RDNA 2 for XSX and RDNA 1 for PS5.

I seriously don't know how you guys twist this.


It's funny isn't it? When Cerny said it was hardware accelerated, certain people insisted and pushed it was software and Cerny's a liar, because of the word accelerated. Now Phil says it and it's dedicated hardware.

They're both hardware accelerated and they're both the same.

Look at you 😂, sorry "my dude" but in the last couple of weeks we've had the Xbox will be RDNA 1. Go search Hmgqq
 
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