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Next-Gen PS5 & XSX |OT| Console tEch threaD

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Who's copying who, though? The PC case is Silverstone FT03-Mini, by the way.

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Neo Blaster

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Sony is allowing a negative public opinion towards ps5. This sensation will increase as the months go by if sony does not present ps5. All this will disappear if the ps5 is up to expectations. On the contrary, if the console disappoints, they will have made a terrible mistake.
According to your logic, if it was bad news Sony would already have spilled info, then let's rejoice they've said nothing.
 

Bo_Hazem

Banned
Unless the TV is going to be in a room so big that you sit 10 metres away, therefore it needs to be over 85 inches, 8K would be pointless.

Rather go for the best 4K OLED.

Nothing beats playing on a 55"+ screen 2 meters away. You can see the difference between 4K and 8K at around 3-4 meters, then it starts to even out a bit. Only buy 8K if it's priced good enough or closer to 4K competitors, but better wait for microLED. OLED is the best picture quality, but pretty fragile. MicroLED is the promise of superior picture quality, durability, intense brightness and HDR performance, but that's is still 3-4 years away.
 

Blizzje

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Absolutely, for any medium.

But if MS come out and say it’s console is super cool, and Sony come out and say their console is cold to the touch, there are certain people here, on both sides, who will argue that’s is better than the other, even if the truth is they both run at 5degrees.

That’s life, baby.
First of all, appreciate the insights regarding the target PS5 specs. Good to hear that a couple of devs stories line up and the target is in the 10's maybe even 11's. Do you have any insight regarding the github leaks and what we should take away from the information? How do devs/friends around you react to the information and do they have something to share about the benefits for PS4 (pro) BC? Finally, what are you personally most hyped about?

I have to say that I'm excited about the possibilites for really high res textures in CB4k or even CB8k and investing in a new 8K television to take advantage of it. One thing I have taken away from this generation (pro/x) is that while 4K is a gamechanger, the textures just aren't there most of the time.

Once again, appreciate you sharing and good to hear the baseline is mid 10TF.
 

joe_zazen

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I remember when Cerny called PS4 "Super Charged PC", always find that funny. He's good with tech though.

yeah, internet meme culture looking for memes to tear down people make them look like assholes...why is that a thing?

actual quote was ‘super charged pc architecture”, and his point was that the the system and OS were created to maximise the potential of the the individual components. so, supercharged in the sense that it was purpose built for gaming, unlike a regular pc, and so can do more work per unit. It is like having a supercharged car, it can be 1.8 litres/180 h.p. and still be supercharged.

that meme reminds me of the ‘get two jobs‘ quote. The actual quote was along the lines ‘we want people to want one enough to work more to get one.’ That is, we want a product so desirable, people work extra hours to get one. And for a Japanese guy born in 1950, it isnt a weird thing to say given that generation would work 60 hour weeks di rigeuer.
 

Racer!

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I have to say as an uber Sony fan, im really disappointed by how Sony has handled the pre launch reveal thus far. Likewise, im impressed by how Microsoft has handled it.

Up until now, the company with the vision seems to be Microsoft. (Seen from the outside). They have been consistent in their messaging, and what they have showed has impressed...even me.

They upped Sony at TGA, and have beaten them to the punch with concrete specs (The TF number everyone speculate about) and consumer friendly features.
Sony has shown Godfall, which looked like a PS4 Pro game to most, showed a logo (which was just ridiculous imo), given some very generic info on specs, and created rumours of being insecure about what to do with pricing.

If what Sony has to show is about equal...they failed to wow like Microsoft. They almost HAVE to beat Microsoft on specs to create proper hype coming out of this.(In regards to hardware, games may wow) Everyone`s eyes will be on PS5 vs XBX.
If they indeed have the weaker machine (although cheaper), they should have been first out to set the narrative on why they are weaker (downplayed compute power, more balanced, other features etc.). Now it will be seen more of an excuse.

Seems to me Phil Spencer outmaneuvered Jim Ryan (so far). Excited to see how this pans out.
 
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Gamernyc78

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I have to say as an uber Sony fan, im really disappointed by how Sony has handled the pre launch reveal thus far. Likewise, im impressed by how Microsoft has handled it.

Up until now, the company with the vision seems to be Microsoft. (Seen from the outside). They have been consistent in their messaging, and what they have showed has impressed...even me.

They upped Sony at TGA, and have beaten them to the punch with concrete specs (The TF number everyone speculate about) and consumer friendly features.
Sony has shown Godfall, which looked like a PS4 Pro game to most, showed a logo (which was just ridiculous imo), given some very generic info on specs, and created rumours of being insecure about what to do with pricing.

If what Sony has to show now is about equal...they failed to wow like Microsoft did. They almost HAVE to beat Microsoft on specs to create proper hype coming out of this.(In regards to hardware, games may wow) Everyone`s eyes will be on PS5 vs XBX.
If they indeed have the weaker machine (although cheaper), they should have been first out to set the narrative on why they are weaker (downplayed compute power, more balanced, other features etc.). Now it will be seen more of an excuse.

Seems to me Phil Spencer outmaneuvered Jim Ryan (so far). Excited to see how this pans out.

Yeah thts what's going on. When thy drop the bombs on their own terms not based off thirsty fans whinings don't run back saying "omg wtf this is awesome". They have built dedicated fans with little to no disappointment through these years for a reason. This is a corporation tht have done great in this business for decades. They know what they are doing and why. The hype to know psv specs are through the roof and ppl are anxiously waiting well at least on these forums, the masses arent waiting on pins and needles.
 
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Reindeer

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yeah, internet meme culture looking for memes to tear down people make them look like assholes...why is that a thing?

actual quote was ‘super charged pc architecture”, and his point was that the the system and OS were created to maximise the potential of the the individual components. so, supercharged in the sense that it was purpose built for gaming, unlike a regular pc, and so can do more work per unit. It is like having a supercharged car, it can be 1.8 litres/180 h.p. and still be supercharged.

that meme reminds me of the ‘get two jobs‘ quote. The actual quote was along the lines ‘we want people to want one enough to work more to get one.’ That is, we want a product so desirable, people work extra hours to get one. And for a Japanese guy born in 1950, it isnt a weird thing to say given that generation would work 60 hour weeks di rigeuer.
He kept saying that over and over which made it worse.
 

Gavin Stevens

Formerly 'o'dium'
First of all, appreciate the insights regarding the target PS5 specs. Good to hear that a couple of devs stories line up and the target is in the 10's maybe even 11's. Do you have any insight regarding the github leaks and what we should take away from the information? How do devs/friends around you react to the information and do they have something to share about the benefits for PS4 (pro) BC? Finally, what are you personally most hyped about?

I have to say that I'm excited about the possibilites for really high res textures in CB4k or even CB8k and investing in a new 8K television to take advantage of it. One thing I have taken away from this generation (pro/x) is that while 4K is a gamechanger, the textures just aren't there most of the time.

Once again, appreciate you sharing and good to hear the baseline is mid 10TF.

The target spec was just that - a target,
To aim for. Last I hear it was capping out at 11.5 and IF Sony hit that, there is nothing to say they can’t get a performance advantage on the bigger picture, but even then, it’s all tiny numbers. Nobody will have a massive lead this time. I did a bigger post here the other day. People I chat with dot really bother themselves with the leaks, github etc, it’s all bollocks. I mean, it could all be bang on perfect, but you will never know because as I said before, things change. Truthfully nobody has even mentioned BC, and I wouldn’t know why they would, as they are
Game developers not console developers. So stuff like that isn’t what we chat about anyway. I’m hyped about a lot of things, mostly the Bc stuff and seeing how it will all work, if it will have improvements etc. That’s all unknown at the moment, but I wound guess Xbox has them, even if Sony doesn’t have improvements, based purely on track record and nothing more, but I hope everybody does. BC is ace.

It’s going to be a fun time this year that’s for sure :)
 
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DrDamn

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Well that's not totally confirmed. To use proper rdna 2 they need to use 7nm+ chips. But as far we know, both consoles are just 7nm - which means Navi. AMD have said ps5 is using Navi and Xbox themselves have said they are using Navi. But as Gavin Stevens Gavin Stevens said they will be so close to rdna 2(~1.9) that they can actually class it as rdna 2.

Unless of course both sides come out and say they are on 7nm+.

The terms NAVI and RDNA are not clearly delineated - even by AMD. Aren't their new Big NAVI boards going to be RDNA2? NAVI =/= RDNA I don't think.

I remember when Cerny called PS4 "Super Charged PC", always find that funny. He's good with tech though.

The full quote was "Super Charged PC architecture" - which is different in meaning, and taken as a whole arguably true.
 

Reindeer

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The terms NAVI and RDNA are not clearly delineated - even by AMD. Aren't their new Big NAVI boards going to be RDNA2? NAVI =/= RDNA I don't think.



The full quote was "Super Charged PC architecture" - which is different in meaning, and taken as a whole arguably true.
Only there was nothing Super Charging about PS4 lol.
 
There could be a possibility that PS5 is bit more efficient than Series X 12 TF performance, but Sony wouldn't have that as it's talking point. They'd be having something much different than performance to talk about.
 

pawel86ck

Banned
And they probably were banned or chickened out after the first mod warning. Care to list who else otherwise?
This thread has over 1000 pages and I dont remember their nicknames. I only remember certain details (for example one insider was even disagreeing with Tommy)

These fake insiders were simply making fun of people here, probably because there are losers and wanted to feel special for at least five minutes pretending to be a real insiders.

Sony will reveal PS5 "V" 14TF in 14 February ("V"alentines day) and shock everyone with amazing power. That's what one particular insider said, a true love story 💔.

Now I will rather trust VFXVeteran info. He is verified, and his info is not something people could easily guess. VFXVeteran obviously like this site and i doubt he would post a lie just to be banned when sony will finally reveal conflicting info. IMO only real insider would make such a unexpected claim and real info is often surprising. Of course sony fans dont want to hear about 2 SKUs and 9TF console, so they attack VFXVeteran (one funny guy is even blocking everyone who even mention 9TF LOL 😂 ).
 
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He kept saying that over and over which made it worse.
And japanese or not it was an international brand already, Kaz is a great man but he probably started to live in his own buble were consoles could be the center of all the universe like he was doing some kind of Skynet shit. Companies need to be grounded at one point, not only Alice in Wonderland wannabe.
 

Reindeer

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This thread has over 1000 pages and I dont remember their nicknames. I only remember certain details (for example one insider was even disagreeing with Tommy)

These fake insiders were simply making fun of people here, probably because there are losers and wanted to feel special for at least five minutes pretending to be a real insiders.

Sony will reveal PS5 "V" 14TF in 14 February ("V"alentines day) and shock everyone with amazing power. That's what one particular insider said, a true love story 💔.

Now I will rather trust VFXVeteran info. He is verified, and his info is not something people could easily guess. VFXVeteran obviously like this site and i doubt he would post a lie just to be banned when sony will finally reveal conflicting info. IMO only real insider would make such a unexpected claim and real info is often surprising. Of course sony fans dont want to hear about 2 SKUs and 9TF console, so they attack VFXVeteran (one funny guy is even blocking everyone who even mention 9TF LOL 😂 ).
Tomy Fisher > VFX if I had to choose 😃
 

Racer!

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Yeah thts what's going on. When thy drop the bombs on their own terms not based off thirsty fans whinings don't run back saying "omg wtf this is awesome". They have built dedicated fans with little to no disappointment through these years for a reason. This is a corporation tht have done great in this business for decades. They know what they are doing and why. The hype to know psv specs are through the roof and ppl are anxiously waiting well at least on these forums, the masses arent waiting on pins and needles.

Those thirsty fans are essential to the brand. And right now Microsoft sets the narrative, and every youtuber are reporting on it. At some point, the narrative sements itself. It wont happen overnight of course, but I dont like the direction right now. (as a"fanboy" :p)

You sound like arrogant Sony :D
 
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kbear

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We dont protect insiders. Any vetted insider usually has shown they work in the industry, thats it. Previous mods have said that if any insiders are proven to be lying after the REAL releases of these consoles, actions will be taken.
VFX’s info is obviously bs. You don’t need to wait till the consoles release to figure that out. It’s embarrassing letting these LARPers run roughshod in here.
 
This thread has over 1000 pages and I dont remember their nicknames. I only remember certain details (for example one insider was even disagreeing with Tommy)

These fake insiders were simply making fun of people here, probably because there are losers and wanted to feel special for at least five minutes pretending to be a real insiders.

Sony will reveal PS5 "V" 14TF in 14 February ("V"alentines day) and shock everyone with amazing power. That's what one particular insider said, a true love story 💔.

Now I will rather trust VFXVeteran info. He is verified, and his info is not something people could easily guess. VFXVeteran obviously like this site and i doubt he would post a lie just to be banned when sony will finally reveal conflicting info. IMO only real insider would make such a unexpected claim and real info is often surprising. Of course sony fans dont want to hear about 2 SKUs and 9TF console, so they attack VFXVeteran (one funny guy is even blocking everyone who even mention 9TF LOL 😂 ).

Wait a sec so VFX mentioned two PS5 Skus, but didn't Sony already say PS5 will/would follow PS4 in regards to having multiple skus and that PS4 Pro was like their testing ground?


In an interview with Game Informer, Ito hinted at release date in 2023. He explained that the platform cycle of consoles usually span six to seven years.



In the past, the cycle for a new platform was 7 to 10 years, but in view of the very rapid development and evolution of technology, it’s really a six to seven year platform cycle. Then we cannot fully catch up with the rapid development of the technology, therefore our thinking is that as far as a platform is concerned for the PS5, it is a cycle or maybe six to seven years. But doing that, a platform lifecycle, we should be able to change the hardware itself and try to incorporate advancements in technology. That was the thinking behind it and the test case of that thinking was the PS4 Pro that was launched in the midway of the PS4 launch cycle.”
Masayasu Ito, Executive Vice President of Hardware Engineering and Operation at Sony Interactive Entertainment

Source: https://www.thesouthafrican.com/technology/gaming/sony-teases-pro-version-for-playstation-5/

https://de.ign.com/ps5/134382/news/plant-sony-zum-start-der-playstation-5-auch-eine-pro-version
 
Tomy Fisher > VFX if I had to choose 😃
Yea especially with the mess vfx made few pages back . Ps5 and ps5 pro both launching at the same time . 3 min later : no I don’t know when they launch, maybe they launch 2 years later . No he didn’t tell me 12 vs9 tf I assumed 9 tf lol like he is trying so hard to protect himself from every angle that he forgets people notice 😂

xsx was his nightmare especially if it’s 500$ . His rtx2080 super baby is threatened . Now it’s time for Sony to give him more nightmares 😂
 
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DrDamn

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Only there was nothing Super Charging about PS4 lol.

Do you think there was nothing different in the design of the whole PS4 architecture that didn't make it any better for games than slapping exactly the same core components (CPU/GPU) into a PC box at the time?
 

JMB88

Neo Member
I have to say as an uber Sony fan, im really disappointed by how Sony has handled the pre launch reveal thus far. Likewise, im impressed by how Microsoft has handled it.

Up until now, the company with the vision seems to be Microsoft. (Seen from the outside). They have been consistent in their messaging, and what they have showed has impressed...even me.

They upped Sony at TGA, and have beaten them to the punch with concrete specs (The TF number everyone speculate about) and consumer friendly features.
Sony has shown Godfall, which looked like a PS4 Pro game to most, showed a logo (which was just ridiculous imo), given some very generic info on specs, and created rumours of being insecure about what to do with pricing.

If what Sony has to show is about equal...they failed to wow like Microsoft. They almost HAVE to beat Microsoft on specs to create proper hype coming out of this.(In regards to hardware, games may wow) Everyone`s eyes will be on PS5 vs XBX.
If they indeed have the weaker machine (although cheaper), they should have been first out to set the narrative on why they are weaker (downplayed compute power, more balanced, other features etc.). Now it will be seen more of an excuse.

Seems to me Phil Spencer outmaneuvered Jim Ryan (so far). Excited to see how this pans out.



I think you're missing an important detail. And it's that Xbox needs to make this play because they were quite bad this generation compared to the previous one. The most logical thing is that they want to change the page quickly and concentrate on the next generation as soon as possible.

On the other hand, Sony is not only a market leader, but it's also giving us great exclusives this year that are probably the last in the useful life of the ps4.

As a Sony user don't get me wrong, I'm glad that Xbox does things right and that its fans are happy and excited. But I can't help but forget that this is a strange narrative when we are having an excellent end of generation as it happened as ps3. The consoles are about games, right? Enjoy what is to come that Sony will already give us information about Ps5 when they are ready to do so.
 

Reindeer

Member
Those thirsty fans are essential to the brand. And right now Microsoft sets the narrative, and every youtuber are reporting on it. At some point, the narrative sements itself. It wont happen overnight of course, but I dont like the direction right now.

You sound like arrogant Sony :D
Agreed, the narrative is with Microsoft for now. I just clicked on IGN video yesterday and all I was seeing were 12>9 memes and other stuff mocking PS5's power. Obviously this probably won't do too much damage to PS5, but the narrative is definitely with Series X at this point.
 

Reindeer

Member
I assume Mark Cerny knows his stuff better than us, we can argue all day about a single phrase but what he meant is probably much more deeper than any person without a true hardware/software knowledge can acqually understand.
Of course Cerny is like a professor to us, but these large companies are known to drop such BS marketing taglines all the time.
 

hemo memo

Gold Member

From GDC to CDC.


Is that the guy who was talking shit when Facebook/Sony pulled out of GDC?

Edit: Wait, was that PAX?

While no coronavirus cases have been confirmed in San Francisco, “the global picture is changing rapidly, and we need to step-up preparedness,” Breed said in a statement.
 

Racer!

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Agreed, the narrative is with Microsoft for now. I just clicked on IGN video yesterday and all I was seeing were 12>9 memes and other stuff mocking PS5's power. Obviously this probably won't do too much damage to PS5, but the narrative is definitely with Series X at this point.

Absolutely. Not impressed with what i`ve seen so far of the new Sony leadership.
 

pawel86ck

Banned
Tomy Fisher > VFX if I had to choose 😃
The thing is Tommy Fisher doesnt care if he gets banned or not, while VFXVeteran do. I really dont believe VFXV would post such obvious lie just to be first ridiculed and then banned. Unlike Tommy he is not some unknown person and he use the same nickname on many sites.
 
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He is vetted, he said that he's just repeating what he heard, ignore him if bothers you, I doubt mods should ban him only because he REPEATS absurdities.
Did you even read his post . He literally contradicted himself in matter of few minutes . Like wtf. U don’t need to be detective to understand he is bullshitting and trying to cover all areas for himself to pretend he knows once they r revealed . Just remember that his first estimate for both was barely 1080 . Not even 1080 super
 
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Kumomeme

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He is vetted, he said that he's just repeating what he heard, ignore him if bothers you, I doubt mods should ban him only because he REPEATS absurdities.
the lesson we learned from this thread is, like the github leak, vetted or not dont quickly take it as face value.

even real insider/leakers always said to take any info as grain of salt..also, things can change..there other situation where the source itself might be inconsistent..even vetted member also can be wrong.
 

Fun Fanboy

Banned
It’s not what he said, do you guys even read?

He claims all four boxes are launching at the same time.
I wake up and get to work and see VX post last night. I was ahead of my time it looks! So it could be 9 vs 12 now. Not saying you, but now reading the post, doesn't look like people like what VX says now. I don't even know if I'm spelling his name right. :D
 
Did you even read his post . He literally contradicted himself in matter of few minutes . Like wtf. U don’t need to be detective to understand he is bullshitting and trying to cover all areas for himself to pretend he knows once they r revealed . Just remember that his first estimate for both was barely 1080 . Not even 1080 super
All this ranting about insiders is useless, PM the mods and deal with it, this is not a "Sherlock Holmes Finds The PS5 Secret Sauce" moment.
 
The thing is Tommy Fisher doesnt care if he gets banned or not, while VFXVeteran do. I really dont believe VFXV would post such obvious lie just to be first ridiculed and then banned. Unlike Tommy he is not some unknown person and he use the same nickname on many sites.
true or not, dont know but I have seen mention on the dark webs that fisher is actually chris 1515 from era and is not an insider lol
again, just info and screenshots Ive seen true/false?
 
the lesson we learned from this thread is, like the github leak, vetted or not dont quickly take it as face value.

even real insider/leakers always said to take any info as grain of salt..also, things can change..there other situation where the source itself might be inconsistent..even vetted member also can be wrong.
That's why we should't consistently speaking about this anyway, imho, which is what we are doing instead. We don't know, we can assume, but if there is a problem with the system discuss with the mods.
 
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NickFire

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According to this article you posted:

"PlayStation 5 specs and details:
Custom SoC with second-gen Navi GPU, Zen 2 CPU
8-Core, 16-thread Zen 2 CPU at 3.2GHz
Navi GPU at 2.0GHz with 36 Compute Units
Navi, Zen SoC uses new AMD RDNA 2.0 architecture
Ultra-fast SSD
Support for 4K 120 Hz TVs
Ray-tracing enabled
8K output support (for gaming)
Plays all PS4 games
Separate games that ship on BD-XL Blu-ray discs
New controller with extensive haptic and tactile feedback"

That's cut and pasted. Are the speeds really confirmed?


Edit: Is this website legit? I never heard of it before, and see it was linked by someone new here, Is the website throwing out rumors for clicks? What is going on here?
 
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OsirisBlack

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Bypassing "bad intention" when choosing frames, one could say yes. Talent is important. Very closely followed by time (optimization) and budget. But...

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Now imagine "xx.xTF" of VR power in the hands of talented people and efficient hardware. It scares literally just thinking about it.

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Thank you for this also BGs BGs People need to pay attention.

If OsirisBlack OsirisBlack is saying Rocksteady’s game is Superman/Batman, then he’s lying, because I know EXACTLY what Rocksteady’s game is, and it isn’t that.

So again, who’s developing this so called Superman game, Osiris?
Man if you don't stop. How dare you jump your ass up in my PM being polite and humble then come here like some scorned lover because I didn't answer your fucking question. I'm glad you know EXACTLY what Rocksteady's game is. I checked you out when you asked me to (which is why I didn't tell YOU ANYTHING), don't fuck yourself over fighting a losing battle. I have very decent Private conversations about a lot of things that WE wont share publicly and their is a trust system involved. You do not have that trust.
 
Thank you for this also BGs BGs People need to pay attention.

Man if you don't stop. How dare you jump your ass up in my PM being polite and humble then come here like some scorned lover because I didn't answer your fucking question. I'm glad you know EXACTLY what Rocksteady's game is. I checked you out when you asked me to (which is why I didn't tell YOU ANYTHING), don't fuck yourself over fighting a losing battle. I have very decent Private conversations about a lot of things that WE wont share publicly and their is a trust system involved. You do not have that trust.
Osiris he is referring to double digit tf but is there reference to 11 or 12 ? I couldn’t find lol
 
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