They also said "Partners".
Seriously dude. Wtf is the hold up. You would think they would at least give the date of the announcement. Its getting past suspense or anticipation and just becoming an annoyance.
AMD has countless partners especially in the laptop space, they also have other semi-custom partners for closed system PC setups.They also said "Partners".
The AMD engineer's quote: "You're going to see RDNA 2-based products for AMD (discrete graphics cards, etc.), and for our partners (literally means Microsoft & Sony) later this year."
So if it means XSX and XSS because they said "Consoles", don't tell me that "Partners" means "oh... it's Microsoft and....err Microsoft" now.
No, and that is the entire problem, you literally do not know.
Amd sepsifically mentioned thay gpu accelerated RT is not possible with RDNA 1 in the conference while introducing rdna2 . You are a lost cause anyways . Few more week and I ll have your next shock haha
The one at the bottom is from Sony two months ago. Seriously this alone should be enough to tell you what's inside PS5. If it's RDNA 2 then there is actual hardware to accelerate RT. If it's RDNA 1, then it can't have hardware-based ray-tracing just like we don't in RX 5700 XT.AMD has countless partners especially in the laptop space, they also have other semi-custom partners for closed system PC setups.
None of you seem to learn anything from what's being told to you, none of you seem to understand what vague means, how vast AMD's partner program is, how expansive their business is. Did you think Microsoft and Sony were their sole partners or something?
You're reading beyond what is being said seeking a presumptive conclusion to a question they have yet to provide a real answer to.
If that's the case then they would have said "Next-Gen Microsoft Consoles". Why didn't they? Because it means Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5.
It's clear at this point.IMO, there is overwhelming evidence that points to PS5 being RDNA 2 if you care to look in the right places.
First up is this slide from AMD, pay attention to the "SHADER" and "HARDWARE" points, as there's going to be some explanations below:
They mention that their current way of handling ray tracing on GCN and RDNA line of GPUs is through SHADER. In other words, there's no dedicated hardware to handle ray-tracing, so it is now handled through compute shaders to perform RT. This is what you'd call a software-based RT solution.
And this is where the Next Gen RDNA aka RDNA 2 comes in, with it bringing HARDWARE (or dedicated HW ACCELERATION) support as it indicates above. This is likely a similar HW technique to RTX's RT Core that's designed to perform/accelerate ray-tracing on dedicated cores instead of just relying on the shaders. This is what you'd call a hardware-based RT solution.
Now, many seem to have overlooked the recently released Crytek's Neon Noir ray-tracing benchmark that relies on compute shaders to do RT via DX11. This means it doesn't leverage DX12 DXR, or any of Nvidia's RT Core features to perform hardware ray-tracing. Its RT is purely software-based. To simplify it's specifically made to showcase RT on the "SHADER category" GPUs (GCN/RDNA1, etc.):
Crytek's Neon Noir demo: ray tracing without RTX analysed
It's been almost a year since games using hardware accelerated ray tracing first arrived in the market, and it's clear …www.eurogamer.net
Now let's take a look at the WIRED articles for a moment. When the first article came out in April of 2019, Mark Cerny made mention of RT support on PS5 surprising many of us and lead some people to assume what he said about PS5's RT implementation to be some sort of a "software-level fix" like all of the current non-RTX and RDNA 1/GCN GPUs already do via software (e.g. Neon Noir above).
To clear this confusion up - he made another statement, again, via WIRED in Oct. 2019:
His wording seems to suggest that "No, it's not a software-based RT solution because we've got dedicated ray-tracing acceleration in the GPU hardware instead". Another clear hint pointing towards it being RDNA 2. Bear in mind that while all the current RDNA 1 GPUs that are out in the market currently can support RT (through software), they do not have any hardware acceleration to handle ray-tracing in the GPU, as you can see in the first slide.
Fast-forward to Jan 7th of this year. 5600 XT press briefing QnA and Sony CES 2020:
During the QnA session after the 5600 XT's briefing, AMD's Mithun Chandrasekhar can be heard saying: "Both the next-gen Xbox, as well as the next-gen PlayStation, both of them are going to be powered by Radeon, and both of them support hardware ray-tracing natively". Notice he uses the phrase "both of them", and "hardware ray-tracing" in one sentence. We got confirmation that XSX to be RDNA 2 now. So one down, just one more to go?
Keep in mind that this QnA was conducted two months ago, on Jan. 7th, back when we were still speculating that XSX would end up being RDNA 1 with features like RT and VRS borrowed from RDNA 2, just like we do now for the PS5. On Feb 24th, not only did we get the TERAFLOPS count, but we also got the confirmation of RDNA 2.
And on the same day at the Sony conference CES 2020, we again sort of get a confirmation and a hint that it's RDNA 2:
Yes they will, that's exactly what they did when Cerny/Sony clarified hardware RT a million times...…..They believed Brad Sams, Klobrille, Mister X Media, TimCloud and all their FUD instead...….
Sony is not going to change their reveal strategy and plans to accommodate a few feisty X-Fans who are only interested in clarifying if their 12TF penis is larger or smaller....Sony has their own plans, which is not at all affected or influenced by such petty console wars on a forum......Sony has AAA games landing on PS4 throughout this year, their last major release is in June...….They are sending PS4 out on a swan song just like they did with PS1, PS2, PS3 before it...….When they hold the reigns of PS5, everybody will know, cause everybody will talk about it.....That's when the full transition and marketing to PS5 will begin...….Sony will not overshadow PS4 now with PS5 news...…..LOU2, FF7, Tsushima has to slay first.....As a matter of fact these games will dominate the conversation in the next few months, moreso than next gen news, whilst Xfans wage war and FUD online from basic Series X details where they won't have the hardware or won't know it's game output (what really matters) anytime soon.....Meanwhile PS fans are about to play more high META games and dancing in the fields of great games on PS4....
HOW DARE YOU!So, not even an argument, just trolling people huh?
.Every single graphics card manufacturer is a partner of AMD. They will release all sorts of RDNA2 cards later this year.They also said "Partners".
The AMD engineer's quote: "You're going to see RDNA 2-based products for AMD (discrete graphics cards, etc.), and for our partners (literally means Microsoft & Sony) later this year."
So if it means XSX and XSS because they said "Consoles", don't tell me that "Partners" means "oh... it's Microsoft and....err Microsoft" now.
If it wasn't pushed to github by a self-doxxing intern, it isn't official data though.
If that's the case then they would have said "Next-Gen Microsoft Consoles". Why didn't they? Because it means Xbox Series X and PlayStation 5.
RDNA 2, a common architecture for PC, PS5 & XSX. We have CDNA for their partners who do compute, non-gaming tasks. If you still say PS5 is RDNA 1 despite all the clear pieces of evidence then I don't know what to tell you. That'd be like saying XSX is RDNA 1 with RDNA 2 features, but it's not.
EDIT: They also say RDNA 2 across all platforms is here to "Simplify Development and Speed Adoption". If they want to do this then they can't complicate things with PS5 (one of the next-gen consoles with RT) by giving it RDNA 1 as a base. Further pointing towards PS5 to be clearly RDNA 2.
That comes under "AMD" when he said, "You're going to see RDNA 2-based products for AMD...".
Going by your weird logic Microsoft doesn't have RDNA2. Because they have hardware-accelerated raytracing.Excuses, excuses.
It Is RDNA 2.
Going by your weird logic Microsoft doesn't have RDNA2. Because they have hardware-accelerated raytracing.
Xbox Series X | Xbox
Discover the fastest, most powerful Xbox ever with the Xbox Series X.www.xbox.com
Hardware-accelerated DirectX Raytracing: You can expect more dynamic and realistic environments powered by hardware-accelerated DirectX Raytracing – a first for console gaming. This means true-to-life lighting, accurate reflections and realistic acoustics in real time as you explore the game world.
What’s the Difference Between Hardware- and Software-Accelerated Ray Tracing? | NVIDIA Blog
What’s the difference between hardware- and software-accelerated ray tracing? You don’t need specialized hardware to do ray tracing, but you want it.blogs.nvidia.com
That approach — GPU-accelerated software ray tracing — was endorsed by Microsoft early last year, with the introduction of DXR, which enables full support of NVIDIA RTX ray-tracing software through Microsoft’s DXR API.
Wow, sure looks like Microsoft is using Nvidia RTX.
They are words. They don't mean anything.
Because one sounds worse to him
...?I don't. They are interchangeable terms for the same thing, and just because two different parties use the same term doesn't mean that these two parties are connected. You really didn't understand the irony, did you?
Dun dun duuuuuun
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Hardware-based, hardware-accelerated/acceleration are the same thing. You didn't have to take the trouble and go look for an Nvidia article to link me because AMD themselves has also used the phrase "hardware-acceleration", "hardware-accelerated" as well as "hardware-based" for their next-gen RDNA aka RDNA 2. And it's right there in my previous posts if you'd only paid attention. I'll reiterate again.Going by your weird logic Microsoft doesn't have RDNA2. Because they have hardware-accelerated raytracing.
Xbox Series X | Xbox
Discover the fastest, most powerful Xbox ever with the Xbox Series X.www.xbox.com
Hardware-accelerated DirectX Raytracing: You can expect more dynamic and realistic environments powered by hardware-accelerated DirectX Raytracing – a first for console gaming. This means true-to-life lighting, accurate reflections and realistic acoustics in real time as you explore the game world.
What’s the Difference Between Hardware- and Software-Accelerated Ray Tracing? | NVIDIA Blog
What’s the difference between hardware- and software-accelerated ray tracing? You don’t need specialized hardware to do ray tracing, but you want it.blogs.nvidia.com
That approach — GPU-accelerated software ray tracing — was endorsed by Microsoft early last year, with the introduction of DXR, which enables full support of NVIDIA RTX ray-tracing software through Microsoft’s DXR API.
Wow, sure looks like Microsoft is using Nvidia RTX.
They are words. They don't mean anything.
The bottom two images are from the same conference, FYI.
Hardware-based, hardware-accelerated/acceleration are the same thing. You didn't have to take the trouble and go look for an Nvidia article to link me because AMD themselves has also used the phrase "hardware-acceleration", "hardware-accelerated" as well as "hardware-based" for their next-gen RDNA aka RDNA 2. And it's right there in my previous posts if you'd only paid attention.
Here:
Hardware-based and hardware-accelerated. They're the same thing and interchangeable.
Further proof that PS5 is RDNA 2.
then why is Sony themselves on their website:
次世代コンソールゲーム機 「プレイステーション 5」に名称決定 2020年年末商戦期に発売
ソニー・インタラクティブエンタテインメント（SIE）は、次世代コンソールゲーム機の名称を「プレイステーション 5」（PS5）に決定し、2020年の年末商戦期に発売することをお知らせいたします。www.sie.com
Writing: GPU: AMD Radeon™ RDNA (Radeon DNA) -based graphics engine
why no nextgen RDNA? Why no RDNA 2? I mean Microsoft writes clearly RDNA 2 on their website.
then why is Sony themselves on their website:
次世代コンソールゲーム機 「プレイステーション 5」に名称決定 2020年年末商戦期に発売
ソニー・インタラクティブエンタテインメント（SIE）は、次世代コンソールゲーム機の名称を「プレイステーション 5」（PS5）に決定し、2020年の年末商戦期に発売することをお知らせいたします。www.sie.com
Writing: GPU: AMD Radeon™ RDNA (Radeon DNA) -based graphics engine
why no nextgen RDNA? Why no RDNA 2? I mean Microsoft writes clearly RDNA 2 on their website.
The term "RDNA 2" wasn't known at that time until MS officially mentioned it on Feb 24th and AMD on March 5th, 2 days ago. RDNA 2 is still RDNA (just not RDNA 1).then why is Sony themselves on their website:
次世代コンソールゲーム機 「プレイステーション 5」に名称決定 2020年年末商戦期に発売
ソニー・インタラクティブエンタテインメント（SIE）は、次世代コンソールゲーム機の名称を「プレイステーション 5」（PS5）に決定し、2020年の年末商戦期に発売することをお知らせいたします。www.sie.com
Writing: GPU: AMD Radeon™ RDNA (Radeon DNA) -based graphics engine
why no nextgen RDNA? Why no RDNA 2? I mean Microsoft writes clearly RDNA 2 on their website.
U have not given up your plastic box fight yet ?good grief .
Maybe it didn't matter to them as RDNA 2 is still RDNA (just not RDNA 1). So they just went with that name on their website for simplicity's sake. If PS5 was RDNA 1, it wouldn't have HW-based RT.
This rdna2 story exclusive to microsoft consoles reminds me this :
conclusion : xbox fanboys never learn.
Where MS stated RDNA 2 in old articles?then why is Sony themselves on their website:
次世代コンソールゲーム機 「プレイステーション 5」に名称決定 2020年年末商戦期に発売
ソニー・インタラクティブエンタテインメント（SIE）は、次世代コンソールゲーム機の名称を「プレイステーション 5」（PS5）に決定し、2020年の年末商戦期に発売することをお知らせいたします。www.sie.com
Writing: GPU: AMD Radeon™ RDNA (Radeon DNA) -based graphics engine
why no nextgen RDNA? Why no RDNA 2? I mean Microsoft writes clearly RDNA 2 on their website.
news.xbox.com
Explain this. You conveniently choose to ignore valid arguments. What do you think about this:
Hardware-based, hardware-accelerated/acceleration are the same thing. You didn't have to take the trouble and go look for an Nvidia article to link me because AMD themselves has also used the phrase "hardware-acceleration", "hardware-accelerated" as well as "hardware-based" for their next-gen RDNA aka RDNA 2. And it's right there in my previous posts if you'd only paid attention. I'll reiterate again.
Here:
Hardware-based and hardware-accelerated. They're the same thing and interchangeable.
Further proof that PS5 is RDNA 2.
segmentnext.com
This rdna2 story exclusive to microsoft consoles reminds me this :
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You are not a Sony fanboy lol
Pretty accurate depiction of what's going on here.
Pretty accurate depiction of what's going on here.
