MilkyJoe
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[Digital Foundry] Xbox Series X Complete Specs + Ray Tracing/Gears 5/Back-Compat/Quick Resume Demo Showcase!
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JareBear: Remastered
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I agree with you, for the most part, but we have only seen, what, like 2 games in action on NG hardware (Godfall, and that looter shooter I can’t remember the name of), right? And both have been received pretty.....unenthusiastically (from what I’ve seen).
We don’t really have much of anything to go off of as far as next-gen games. Hardware news is all we have right now and this is definitely an exciting day for anyone interested in the XsX.
The game footage in the DF vids (specifically Gears 5 running on XsX) is phenomenal.
Shin
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Make of it what you will, I haven't read the articles on their site yet.
Xbox Series X: Making Gaming’s Best Controller Even Better - Xbox Wire
With each generation of controllers, from Xbox to Xbox 360 to Xbox One to Xbox One S, the Xbox hardware team has led and innovated input for gaming. They’ve set new bars with Elite and Adaptive Controllers in performance, features, quality, and accessibility. When considering the next generation...
news.xbox.com
Codes 208
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definitely a more subtle upgrade going from XB1 to XsX than, say, xbox to 360, but the xb1 controller already pretty much stood at the peak of perfection so its definitely a case of dont fix what isnt broken.Make of it what you will, I haven't read the articles on their site yet.
Xbox Series X: Making Gaming’s Best Controller Even Better - Xbox Wire
With each generation of controllers, from Xbox to Xbox 360 to Xbox One to Xbox One S, the Xbox hardware team has led and innovated input for gaming. They’ve set new bars with Elite and Adaptive Controllers in performance, features, quality, and accessibility. When considering the next generation...
alabtrosMyster
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I definitely like the "auto HDR" and "auto 4k" for existing games (even those that come from the 360/OG that are on the compatibility list).
I really wonder how the SSD thing will be handled, this is the kind of features I was expecting from SSDs on a console, we may end up getting way more details in games than the amount of memory leads us to believe.... but if they had a CPU reserved pool, why not use DDR4 for it and put some more? I was not there when they made the decision, so I have to assume they weighted the pros and cons.
Can't wait to see the rest... but I must admit that what I really want to see is the PS5, so we really know what's on the table.
I really wonder how the SSD thing will be handled, this is the kind of features I was expecting from SSDs on a console, we may end up getting way more details in games than the amount of memory leads us to believe.... but if they had a CPU reserved pool, why not use DDR4 for it and put some more? I was not there when they made the decision, so I have to assume they weighted the pros and cons.
Can't wait to see the rest... but I must admit that what I really want to see is the PS5, so we really know what's on the table.
01011001
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I wonder how RB and LB feel like, I am hoping for a membrane this time around, comparable to L and R on the Switch Pro Controller.
I was never a fan of the clicky bumpers on the 360 and Xbox One pads, even tho they improved them more and more with each Xbox One Controller revision.
I was never a fan of the clicky bumpers on the 360 and Xbox One pads, even tho they improved them more and more with each Xbox One Controller revision.
Joe T.
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Everyone secretly wants the best software offered up on the best hardware even if they won't admit it, that's why.
M1chl
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Apologiesdon't disturb his narrative
Shin
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ZehDon
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Theoretical performance for the XseX, including the numbers from DFs video, sit it around a 2080 Super pared with a high end modern CPU. For generational comparison, the original Xbone had a mid range GPU pared with a Laptop CPU.
What an absolutely stupid post. You should feel bad.that minecraft ray-traced demo is impressive...impressively shitty
with all the games you can show to point out how good rtx is, you choose fucking minecraft? why not black and white ray-traced pong?
Minecraft is used for demonstrating real-time day tracing for three reasons: it’s the most popular game in history, it’s a grid based boxer world, so implementation is straightforward and easy to demo, and it emphasises the real-time element of hardware acceleration based ray tracing better than nearly anything else.
If you bothered to watch the video and form something resembling an educated opinion, you’d know that many games used software based ray tracing to effectively fake ray tracing effects, such as global illumination. Cryengine’s latest iteration has this built into the engine, for example, by - effectively - making a “Minecraft” version of the world to make the precomputation manageable. But, because it’s faked - it’s an approximation, not a full simulation - it’s not accurate, and has several issues and limitations. One of the main issues is that the effects are costly to update in real-time. You need to do a lot of precalculation, which makes it prohibitively expensive for any game with lots of non-static geometry... like Minecraft.
For games with static geometry - like Gears of War 5, Uncharted 4, etc - you can fake and precalculate a lot of the effects because things aren’t changing, and most players won’t notice - it still looks good, but it’s not accurate, and it’s certainly not real time.
Because the player can change the world at their whim in Minecraft, most of those techniques fall down, making it not feasible
to fake global illumination in Minecraft.
So, to correct your terrible post, Minecraft is used because it’s really only possible to do global illumination in Minecraft in true, unfaked real-time ray tracing, which demonstrates the real power of the hardware. Think of it as a way of saying: we aren’t faking anything, there are no tricks, this is real time ray tracing on a console.
skneogaf
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I wasn't interested in this as my 9700k and a 2080ti was enough but the technology in this is absolutely amazing.
I'll definitely be considering it now, I'm sick to death of different store fronts and updates for non gaming applications on windows and I use a pad for everything so hmmmmm maybe!
I'll definitely be considering it now, I'm sick to death of different store fronts and updates for non gaming applications on windows and I use a pad for everything so hmmmmm maybe!
GymWolf
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lol are you kidding? i'm not gonna feel bad for an opinion, that rtx demo wasn't impressive at all for me, i don't give a fuck if minecraft is the most famous game in the universe or whatever reason you have, deal with it.
mine wasn't an analysis on the current state of rtx or fake rtx, it was just a straight opinion on this particular tech demo.
and don't kid yourself, that stuff is not a better or more impressive example of rtx compared to fucking nothing, realistic reflections, lights and shadows on a game that looks like mushed pixel vomit still looks horrible, i don't give a damn if conceptually and theorically is the best use of rtx on console, it still looks straight trash.
i almost don't care about rtx in realistic game, imagine how much i care when applied on the game with the worst graphics of the last 2 gen...
put me on ignore if an opinion on a fuckind tech demo riles you up that much or gtfo with that "to correct your post" bullshit of yours...it's a fucking opinion, if you wank yourself on that stuff, good for you.
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M1chl
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Fitting.
Gavin Stevens
Formerly 'o'dium'
Don’t forget the plan all along was to show the tech off early, so that the games could do the talking later on.
And as for the talk about “power means nothing show me games”, wasn’t the narrative recently “PlayStation was always the most powerful console at launch”?
And as for the talk about “power means nothing show me games”, wasn’t the narrative recently “PlayStation was always the most powerful console at launch”?
Panajev2001a
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I think it's useful for comparing XSX with another console with a shader based RT solution. Wink wink.
RDNA2 is shader based wink wink... the additional HW inside the texture units to help with BHV traversal and intersection testing has been part of AMD’s patents for quite a while, but let’s push the software RT angle for the other solution lol.
DoctaThompson
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At least the high end gpu comparisons to consoles can die now. No one in their right mind believes that xsex can beat a normal rtx 2080 (non super edition), more or less a 2080S, or 2080 TI. People who believe that, would also believe that I'm selling the entire state of California for an time low of 15k pesos.
JareBear: Remastered
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I’m very happy with the XsX CPU clocks and everything sounds amazing but is it really equivalent to HIGH END CPUs on the market right now? I thought it was more mid-range by Gaming Rig standards
StreetsofBeige
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Cali is about $1 trillion in debt and getting worse. An offer of 15k pesos would be generous.
StreetsofBeige
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SeX at 12tf (or as claimed 25tf with RT) is plenty for good games at 4k. Xbox One X already plays lots of games at 4k, so there's only so much more power needed for topping up games to hit native 4k.
The biggest issue is how deep devs use up resources for RT, hair effects and stuff like that which dumps the frame rate down the toilet. PC gamers have tons of sliders to play with. Console gamers are lucky if the dev gives a game a handful of res/performance options.
As long as games run at 60 fps standard, or have an option for dumbed down visuals for 60 fps (GTA 6?), I'm good.
The biggest issue is how deep devs use up resources for RT, hair effects and stuff like that which dumps the frame rate down the toilet. PC gamers have tons of sliders to play with. Console gamers are lucky if the dev gives a game a handful of res/performance options.
As long as games run at 60 fps standard, or have an option for dumbed down visuals for 60 fps (GTA 6?), I'm good.
DoctaThompson
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Are you a potential buyer? Pm me for a better offer. I'll include Alabama for a cheaper price than i quoted.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I like developers to do the optimisation work for me, maybe offer one or two profiles if you must, but they say freedom I see “how about you test your own HW setup and optimise the game to run?”
.Cool story. Bro.
But it's much simpler
1. Minecraft belongs to MSFT.
2. There is already a DXR implementation for Minecraft.
3. It's a known buzzword for the MSFT suits.
StreetsofBeige
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DoctaThompson
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Sold to the highest bidder
StreetsofBeige
! That was a funny movie btw. You interested in Canada as well?
StreetsofBeige
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I'm already from here. But I'll buy it too. I'll give you a quarter.Sold to the highest bidder
First thing I'll do is kick all the useless asses to some island in the arctic and then I'll institute some monarchy kinds of laws like the UK does where people deemed royalty seem to get shitloads of money and free palaces for doing nothing but show up and wave their hands.
Then I'll continue on archaic monarchy politics and get my face on currency.
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Naturally that will happen but I am referring to actual enhancements such as resolutions getting a boost without developer input.
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DoctaThompson
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You are my brother, from another mother! I was born there as well. I need to take a trip up there sometime. (I live in the states now
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Needlecrash
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Pardon my excitement. Just hoping the system will have some good specs. That's all. When's Bloodborne 2 again?
lukilladog
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But it´s nonsense, it´s like saying that a 300hp truck "has 1000hp" because it would take a 1000hp supercar to pull what the truck can pull, apples and oranges.
According to MSFT and your beloved DF. XSeX runs Gears 5 on Ultra settings in 4k at over 100fps. Including massive graphics update.
FYI, 2080Ti runs Gears 5 Ultra at 62FPS in 4K, with no upgrades....
So much fun!
CatLady
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Absolutely.
I could live forever without a stupid "share" button.
And this just sucks:
"And a USB-C port allows gamers to play and charge with a modern cable that’s more readily available. "
I'm assuming this means the new controller will have a sealed battery like the piece of shit DS4. I hope it at least has battery life like the Switch instead of the dumb ass 4 hour DS4.
I think I will be stocking up on XB1
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DoctaThompson
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It's not running everything in equivalent pc ultra settings. Do some basic research. "Like pc ultra" is not the same as running it in ultra settings.
Yep, they say "All PC Ultra + contact shadows + screen space GI + 1.5x particles + more.
JLB
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very big and hard.
DoctaThompson
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So just like current gen consoles were announced to run games in 4k, 60fps... How many actually do? I'll believe it when I see it. As no console can beat high end gpu's.
JustP_Gaming
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Of all the next gen specs they announce you talk about the storage?? You have some real issues and are not a true gamer, you are the very definition if a Fanboy/girl.Proprietary external storage
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GymWolf
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people simply don't understand the difference between tlou3 with 9 tf or with 12-13 tf under his ass.Don’t forget the plan all along was to show the tech off early, so that the games could do the talking later on.
And as for the talk about “power means nothing show me games”, wasn’t the narrative recently “PlayStation was always the most powerful console at launch”?
trikster40
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Pretty impressive specs. I’m guessing E3 for the final price point?
wonder when they’re going to confirm a Series S with specs? This beast is gonna be $500-$600 easy.
wonder when they’re going to confirm a Series S with specs? This beast is gonna be $500-$600 easy.
JareBear: Remastered
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I mean Gears 5 looks stunning on the XsX, that seems pretty clear on these vids
DoctaThompson
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That doesn't look any better than pc, in fact the textures look lower resolution! Wait till console come out, and bookmark my quote. Come back and be disappointed with all the PR. This is actually funny to see people react to the hype train.
JustP_Gaming
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Potentially even more considering the RT core is equiv to another 13TF!
JustP_Gaming
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They will delay and blame it on Covid 19.
Rightisright
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Let's not forget, according to some people here, as XSX has FP16, it really is a 24tflop machine.
GymWolf
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even if this is joke, i kinda hope that, i only need a ps5 for next gen so the more powerfull, the better...
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GymWolf
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15k pesos and 1 penny here
is the ex governor arnold included? i kinda wanna use him as my butler and spotter at the gym.
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Dlacy13g
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[QUOTE="CatLady, post: 257362380, member: 743515"
And this just sucks:
"And a USB-C port allows gamers to play and charge with a modern cable that’s more readily available. "
I'm assuming this means the new controller will have a sealed battery like the piece of shit DS4. I hope it at least has battery life like the Switch instead of the dumb ass 4 hour DS4.
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If the internal battery is similar to what they are using in the new Elite 2 controller you have absolutely nothing to fear. That battery has amazing battery life.
And this just sucks:
"And a USB-C port allows gamers to play and charge with a modern cable that’s more readily available. "
I'm assuming this means the new controller will have a sealed battery like the piece of shit DS4. I hope it at least has battery life like the Switch instead of the dumb ass 4 hour DS4.
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If the internal battery is similar to what they are using in the new Elite 2 controller you have absolutely nothing to fear. That battery has amazing battery life.