Everboydy seems to assume that the brightest minds in the world world made the PS5 while some cleaning women played Tetris with a box of hardware to make the Series X.
Nobody is saying anything negative about XBOX or XBOX engineers......People are simply praising the PS5 design and are arguing it's potential in realtime vs the traditional "lots of TF" without much in custom engineering and mitigating bottlenecks..Monkeys in a garage threw it together real quick after they heard about Sony. It’s mostly made of Banana peels and feces.
*Ford GT vs FerrariMod's need to step in, this crap is getting out of hand. Basically the whole first page is turning into PS5 damage control.
So Ford is Xbox?
Wow systemwars is still alive and well? I remember gamespot had the most active forum back then, system wars was in full play, they even had a system....This is all you need to know about the guy.DynamiteCop - System Wars
systemwars.net
Wow systemwars is still alive and well? I remember gamespot had the most active forum back then, system wars was in full play, they even had a system....
Lemmings = XBOX fans
Cows = PS fans
Sheep = Nintendo fans
Hermits = PC fans
Do I have it right? Had lots of laughs on Gamespot back in the day.....I didn't even know someone was trying to relieve it with systemwars.net....
So Dynamite Cop is a lemming huh!
Accept it Sony fanboys. MS has a bigger dick this gen.
Just leave it.
At least they are cheery about it.This SSD won't change the GPU, the CPU or the RAM.
You guys are becoming intolerably annoying.
There's probably more custom design in that system than Sony's.
Accept it Sony fanboys. MS has a bigger dick this gen.
Just leave it.
Performance is power. Speed is power.
No one can slice it in a way I fins believable that the PS5 is going to outperform the XsX. I’ll gladly admit I was wrong if that’s the case.
DF analyses are gonna be epic
hmm I see...... the damage control still going strong
keep the threads coming folks
Let games talk for themselves.
Articles won’t convince the other side.
I’m pretty sure PS5 will launch games...What games?
How hard is it to show a video of GoW or HZD taking advantage of the PS5 hardware?
No one said MS is not focusing on high performance.....Some people are just saying Sony has developed a more efficient and less "bottlenecky way" of doing just that......Smarter engineering vs Bruteforce engineering.....12TF, VRS, DXR, Mesh Shading, Sampler Feedback, VRR, 120Hz - yup, MS is not focusing on high performance at all.
Doesnt matter. When you got a big dick you can stick it where you like. Little dicks need to look out.What's the use of a bigger dick when you only stick it to the same old fart (games) you been using it with again and again every gen.
Performance is power. Speed is power.
No one can slice it in a way I fins believable that the PS5 is going to outperform the XsX. I’ll gladly admit I was wrong if that’s the case.
DF analyses are gonna be epic
It's mind blowing. It's also scary and sad that someone's ego could be effected AT ALL by the power of a video game console.No i don't think they are, most of us on here know its going to be absolutely fine, and hardly any different to the XSX when it comes to the comparisons, most time resolution. It's just peoples ego's that don't like the fact that Sony got beat by XBOX with the power.
They'll both be a great.
It's genuinely pathetic to see him with over 20,000+ posts in a span of 2.5 years over there.Wow systemwars is still alive and well? I remember gamespot had the most active forum back then, system wars was in full play, they even had a system....
Lemmings = XBOX fans
Cows = PS fans
Sheep = Nintendo fans
Hermits = PC fans
Do I have it right? Had lots of laughs on Gamespot back in the day.....I didn't even know someone was trying to relieve it with systemwars.net....
So Dynamite Cop is a lemming huh!
THANK YOU.I don't really see these threads as "damage control" or "being butthurt" etc, as is often claimed. I see them as attempts to better understand the potential strengths in the PS5, which can be more difficult to appreciate, since they require more subtlety than just comparing two numbers.
I think of them as discussions of an upcoming piece of hardware, which a lot of people are excited about. It's the claims of "butthurt" and "damage control" that make the threads deteriorate. The actual discussion is important.
He's a high roller.....Trying to set the forum world right, several forums at a time....Must be a might busy worker bee......Yet I wonder how Heinrich does it, to spam 8 alts.....I don't even have 10000 posts on GAF and I have been here for a long time....It's genuinely pathetic to see him with over 20,000+ posts in a span of 2.5 years over there.
No one said MS is not focusing on high performance.....Some people are just saying Sony has developed a more efficient and less "bottlenecky way" of doing just that......Smarter engineering vs Bruteforce engineering.....
They aren't desperately trying to make an under-powered console sound more powerful than it is. They don't need to dive into specifics that maybe 1% of people buying their console will even understand. Come next gen, they will have the most powerful console on the market.Sure it does but they’ve not stated anything that points to what I quoted in the OP.
They literally bought how many developers just a few years ago? How many of those developers now have multiple teams for different games? If HALF the developers they bought don't make that gets received well, they will still be on par with Sony for exclusives worth owning.What's the use of a bigger dick when you only stick it to the same old fart (games) you been using it with again and again every gen.
It's so wrong though. It's damage control because until Sony SHOWS something, SHOWS the difference all this custom hardware and software makes, it's just them trying to make up for the fact that they have the weaker console. We are, at the core of it all, comparing two computers made for gaming. We have long standing units of measure for power and technical ability. In nearly every way, those measurements point towards the Series X being substantially more powerful than the PS5. If Sony wants to make the claim that Corny has come up with some genius ideas to make the console magically not significantly less powerful, they need to put up numbers, demos, and examples themselves. If your architect has come up with a console that has the ability to outperform the rival console with weaker hardware, show it. And frankly. brute force DOES work in computers. With a powerful enough PC, even a poorly optimized game can still be forced to run well. So even if Sony has come up with cool workarounds and new ideas, are those, in action, going to make up for the fairly sizable difference in pure hardware? I kind of doubt it. And to top it all off, how can you even pretend to be sure that some, or even most of these concepts aren't present in the series x in one way or another? It's not like both consoles are out there in consumers hands and we know every inch of both consoles and their software. We haven't really even seen games running on either consoles just yet.THANK YOU.
And yet the entire quote you posted in the OP is all about bottlenecks in the SSD section of the console.
You say 'substantially more powerful' but most tech experts have clearly said the differences will likely be a slightly higher frame-rate and higher resolution. You are trying to make a mole-hill into a mountain.It's so wrong though. It's damage control because until Sony SHOWS something, SHOWS the difference all this custom hardware and software makes, it's just them trying to make up for the fact that they have the weaker console. We are, at the core of it all, comparing two computers made for gaming. We have long standing units of measure for power and technical ability. In nearly every way, those measurements point towards the Series X being substantially more powerful than the PS5. If Sony wants to make the claim that Corny has come up with some genius ideas to make the console magically not significantly less powerful, they need to put up numbers, demos, and examples themselves. If your architect has come up with a console that has the ability to outperform the rival console with weaker hardware, show it. And frankly. brute force DOES work in computers. With a powerful enough PC, even a poorly optimized game can still be forced to run well. So even if Sony has come up with cool workarounds and new ideas, are those, in action, going to make up for the fairly sizable difference in pure hardware? I kind of doubt it. And to top it all off, how can you even pretend to be sure that some, or even most of these concepts aren't present in the series x in one way or another? It's not like both consoles are out there in consumers hands and we know every inch of both consoles and their software. We haven't really even seen games running on either consoles just yet.
Finally, with all this apparent magic tech they have supposedly come up with, why not match the series x in hardware, and then vastly outperform when it comes to actual games because of said magic? Sony is already overclocking the thing to get it into the double digit area. That's not something a confident console maker would do.
No it isn’t. It’s about how to enhance performance. SSD was one way as stated but not the only method used. The custom hardware to fix bottlenecks such as the CPU example.
The quote is literally about the SSD and how to remove bottlenecks to prevent stutter by using custom built controllers in the console.
For PlayStation 5 our goal was not just that the SSD itself be a hundred times faster. It was that game loads and streaming would be a hundred times faster
Wrong.
You do realize that both the loading and the streaming refers to the SSD... right? It won't matter if your SSD can deliver 10 GB/s, if the decompressor can't keep up, or the controller is not capable of handling such speeds. Thus, the quote goes on to speak about custom controllers designed specifically to assist the SSD unload it's data.
the reality though is that the SSD is just one piece of the puzzle there's a lot of places where bottlenecks can occur in between the SSD and the game code that uses the data
Streaming refers to what displays on screen which is performed by the GPU.
So you're saying that the GPU is a hundred times faster than the PS4? Or what?
For PlayStation 5 our goal was not just that the SSD itself be a hundred times faster. It was that game loads and streaming would be a hundred times faster
The quote is about the SSD and the bottlenecks around it.
This here kind of post perfectly sums up the issue on forums.You obviously haven’t been in an Xbox thread while PS was winning,
Less power = more performance.
Got it.
Read my edit for another quote that states SSD was only one part that solved the issues to get it 100x faster.
Pretty much lol. It's great that PS5 is focusing on performance and it'll be a great console, but SeX is focusing on power and performance and will be a better console.Series X focus is high performance AND high power.
Deal.
With.
It.
That's a nice quote, but it wasn't mentioned anywhere in this thread. At all.
The quote in the OP is still 100% about the SSD, and you've not yet explained how you deduced, that this part was about the GPU and not the SSD:
streaming would be a hundred times faster
For PlayStation 5 our goal was not just that the SSD itself be a hundred times faster. It was that game loads and streaming would be a hundred times faster