Musky_Cheese
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Was just about to say that lol
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Reliability; Why PCs aren’t So Amazing
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Ivory Blood
Member
Yeah I agree on the pricing and the 3.5gb thing. About the account for GF - only had to create it to be reminded about new drivers, all the years prior I just went to Nvidias website and downloaded them myself.
And still with all these issues with Nvidia, their hardware and software works out of the box, which is precisely what a customer who is not knowledgeable about this stuff needs.
diffusionx
Gold Member
The only hardware failure I ever had on one of my PCs was when the RAM crapped out randomly. That's over decades and many PC parts. Oh and the PSU in a prebuilt died but I pushed that system way beyond what it was supposed to. But sometimes this stuff fails, definitely.
On the other hand, my Xbox One was dead out of the box, I got RROD on my 360, etc. So sometimes tech just fails in general.
On the other hand, my Xbox One was dead out of the box, I got RROD on my 360, etc. So sometimes tech just fails in general.
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BlackTron
Member
In my experience, gaming on AMD is a mess. I say this having selected both an AMD CPU and GPU when I made my first gaming rig around 2004 and proudly put the Athlon 64 and Radeon graphics stickers on the case. I've used many systems since then and participated in many LAN parties. In time and old age I've retreated back to the safety of Intel CPU and Nvidia GPU. No more headaches.
Edit: Windows is still terrible though. I'm not upgrading to 10.
Edit: Windows is still terrible though. I'm not upgrading to 10.
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Virex
Banned
Clearly you care enough to post a thread for us jackasses to read and reply to. Rather a jackass than a retard
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Or better. Let's do more comparisons. Why do you have a chihuahua instead of a dobberman?
xpresstuning
Member
You seem angry. You've just fixed your issue now and made the thread? I don't think that it was a good idea to make this thread right now, maybe later wen you cooled off.
Yes, i agree that reliability is a disadvantage wen it comes with PC Gaming. I believe anyone with any experience would acknowledge that, i've also been into PCs for roughly 20 years now; My first PC was a 386 with 8 MB of RAM (i can't remember anything else about it). There are advantages and disadvantages with both type of platforms (PC and home consoles).
01011001
Banned
so just from reading the OP this sounds to me like a power issue.
I had the same issue on my GTX1070oc after I installed a new SSD.
the latching mechanism on the 8pin connector of the cable going to the GTX1070oc was not fully grabbing on to the card.
so it became a little bit loose and after 2 days of nothing happening it suddenly shut down after a few minutes, so the screen goes black, sound gone and the card's fan started going full force.
opened up the PC, reattached the cable and this time really pushed it in so the cable is grabbing the card correctly (the port on the card is a bit flimsy)
and that fixed it.
even if you haven't opened the PC in a while the cable connector could have become loose over time from vibrations or slight bumps.
it could also be an issue with the cable itself, so using a new/different one could also help
I had the same issue on my GTX1070oc after I installed a new SSD.
the latching mechanism on the 8pin connector of the cable going to the GTX1070oc was not fully grabbing on to the card.
so it became a little bit loose and after 2 days of nothing happening it suddenly shut down after a few minutes, so the screen goes black, sound gone and the card's fan started going full force.
opened up the PC, reattached the cable and this time really pushed it in so the cable is grabbing the card correctly (the port on the card is a bit flimsy)
and that fixed it.
even if you haven't opened the PC in a while the cable connector could have become loose over time from vibrations or slight bumps.
it could also be an issue with the cable itself, so using a new/different one could also help
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Nerd Strangler
Banned
We will see. I am old enough to remember when dual core processors were a waste of money, then quad cores. And will cheaper CPUs be able to keeo up? CPU overhead is so much higher on PC.
Nerd Strangler
Banned
I dont know do they cost more? I thought the general idea is if you like something, you should go broke trying to finance it. Right if we care about TVs we spend 100k or $0, no middle ground.
DoctaThompson
Banned
My Doberman boy and girl + PC gaming = endgame ftw
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Why do you even want to discuss with other people when you only want to hear yourself?
YOU wanted to know what made PC gaming better than consoles. You got the reply.
Then YOU begin to compare gaming to homes. Why not just stick to gaming, and for once come with an argument instead of stupid 5 year old comparisons?
Nerd Strangler
Banned
No my dude I wanted to hear what made PC gaming "objectively better than console" and apparently as rule gamers aren't allowed to care about value. I mean you and everyone else is, but not gamers.
lukilladog
Member
Pc graphic drivers used to be more reliable, even with nvidia you are required to do investigation work and they have become horribly slow to fix bugs... I think amd and nvidia started to outsource.
JimboJones
Member
My nephew just got a PS3 and can't even install the YouTube app because they uploaded some bugged one to the psn store, so much for reliability.
The Bloody-Nine
Member
I haven't forgotten PSN (which I paid for) going down for 3 months and not being able to play any of my multiplayer games. Reliability.
LazyParrot
Member
That was your mistake. Never update drivers if you're not having issues.
Radical Dreamer
Member
what do you think about new consoles?
iHaunter
Member
I hate to admin but, but I wish Windows OS worked as simply as Apples - Windows is just not reliable. I get so many random problems from time-to-time that come out of nowhere, this is without changing my hardware.
I got a 2T NVMe SSD and my PC stutters when a game launchers. With is with 32GB of 2800mhz RAM an i9 9900K, and a 2080Ti. What a joke.
I got a 2T NVMe SSD and my PC stutters when a game launchers. With is with 32GB of 2800mhz RAM an i9 9900K, and a 2080Ti. What a joke.
Soleil rouge
Member
I've had similar things happen to me, both times it turned out to be the PSU. Not a huge deal. Replacing them solved the issue. Most problems I've had with my PCs have been relatively easy to fix.
On the other hand, I've had a 360, PS3 - both die on me, and a Switch with a joy con drift problem. No problems with my PS4 Pro yet, however, the fans seem to get louder and louder.
On the other hand, I've had a 360, PS3 - both die on me, and a Switch with a joy con drift problem. No problems with my PS4 Pro yet, however, the fans seem to get louder and louder.
Endless Fluff
Banned
"Never change a running system"
Never update when you are prompted to update. Never let stuff auto update, only use the bare minimum of software you absolutely need. Keep your PC as clean as a console.
Another thing to keep in mind: use a backup software (use Acronis True Image for example) to roll back almost instantly. Whenever I have any issues with Windows, I don't look for fixes. I simply boot from my Acronis USB Stick and copy my backup over to my Boot drive. Takes 3 minutes and my Windows is pretty much a fresh install with all important programs installed. I just need to run win update and that's it.
Never update when you are prompted to update. Never let stuff auto update, only use the bare minimum of software you absolutely need. Keep your PC as clean as a console.
Another thing to keep in mind: use a backup software (use Acronis True Image for example) to roll back almost instantly. Whenever I have any issues with Windows, I don't look for fixes. I simply boot from my Acronis USB Stick and copy my backup over to my Boot drive. Takes 3 minutes and my Windows is pretty much a fresh install with all important programs installed. I just need to run win update and that's it.
CaptainClaw
Member
If gamers look at Portability as a major selling point how is "PC" an objectively better option than a Switch?
If Sam has 8 close friends on Xbox that he enjoys playing his games with how is "PC" an objectively better option than a Xbox?
If Maddie wants to play Gow2 and MLB the Show how is "PC" an objectively better option than a PS5?
If Lee only has 300 to spend on a gaming machine how is "PC" an objectively better option than a XB1/PS4?
The Xbox SX is better than PS5 when it comes to Performance/Graphics and has great value with Gamepass but if someone has more interest in playing Zelda BotW2 or Spiderman 2 how is the XSX/PC an objectively better option than a Switch/PS5?
If Some gamers prefer Halo, Forza and gears of War over Uncharted/Mario/GT how are PS/Nintendo exclusives an objectively better option?
Gaming is Subjective always will be WE DON'T LIKE THE SAME THINGS and that's fine.
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Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Does Event Viewer say anything? What build of Windows 10? 1909? Did you recently install any Windows updates? Delete the video driver and reboot? 
Just wondering.
Just wondering.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
PC gaming is spectacular when it works, it varies computer to computer.
Twinguistics
Member
Ruh oh, I'm twenty four hours away from joining the pc clan and now you tell me things might not work smoothly all the time.
I'm kidding though I'll have no clue when things do go a bit pear shaped.
I'm kidding though I'll have no clue when things do go a bit pear shaped.
vaibhavpisal
Member
I never faced too much issues with my All amd laptop. But I almost never update drivers unless a major update becomes available that is announced by amd themselves.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
I haven't been a PC gamer since the early 2000s.
And messing around with PC games in the 90s was a pain although Windows 95/98 helped a lot.
For any of you who didn't play games when PC was Win 3.1 or DOS crap, you avoided getting hit by a bus. It was totally hit and miss. And even something dumb like plugging in a sound card or a joystick sapped probably 10% of power alone.
My biggest concern is PC stability. Even just surfing the net and doing MS Office, I can still get some shaky shit and programs bombing (Chrome). And lately, my PC has been blinking black screens for half a second anytime I first try to click on a YT video.
And messing around with PC games in the 90s was a pain although Windows 95/98 helped a lot.
For any of you who didn't play games when PC was Win 3.1 or DOS crap, you avoided getting hit by a bus. It was totally hit and miss. And even something dumb like plugging in a sound card or a joystick sapped probably 10% of power alone.
My biggest concern is PC stability. Even just surfing the net and doing MS Office, I can still get some shaky shit and programs bombing (Chrome). And lately, my PC has been blinking black screens for half a second anytime I first try to click on a YT video.
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Chiggs
Gold Member
But mostly because they're poor.
Paracelsus
Member
Your thread is nothing but an endorsement for Nvidia, as you explained why despite competition their low-end cards cost $300-350 and a 2070 is still $500.
Shangounchained
Banned
Its always happened in pc gaming ever since i started pc gaming with my pentium pro win 98 i remember re engineering games to force them to work on my system my biggest achievement was mortal kombat 4 even though it ran in software 3d cause my pc at the time had no agp or gpu. And i was really jealous of my friends owning playstations, by the way its the same fuckin problems since then. And back in the days re installing windows was a very usual thing to fix problems.
Patrick S.
Banned
That is so true, man. Like, to always play the new PlayStation games, in the last 25 years you had to buy four consoles. But, to be a PC gamer, in the last 25 years, I've probably bought twenty graphics cards, more than a dozen CPUs,more than a handful of mainboards, RAM of half a dozen different specs... The more I think about it, the less sense it makes, and the more unappealing it is, looking forward.
VN1X
Banned
I feel you OP. Sucks when "PC fuckery" happens. Sometimes it feels like you just got a bad draw in the lottery when it comes to stuff like that. Hate troubleshooting PC issues but hope you find the solution soon!
And yes this place is horrible for this type of discussion. As you said it often boils down to Steam forums level of nonsense. I have Nvidia myself but the people saying "NeXT TiMe gET NviDia" are ridiculous lol.
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jeffyjaixx
Member
Heard AMD has been having problems with their drivers, could be your culprit right there.
Always been using Nvidia since 15 years ago, can't recall having an issue updating drivers and using my PC to game.
Always been using Nvidia since 15 years ago, can't recall having an issue updating drivers and using my PC to game.
diffusionx
Gold Member
My theory: it's partly in your head. It's in my head too. I'd rather buy new hardware than turn down settings to medium or (GASP) low. But that's what happens on console over the years, except it is the devs doing it. Like maybe at launch the games are running at ultra but by the end, it's medium or lower (in the case of RDR2, literally lower than Low).
That, and what I want to do changes. I bought a 970 when it came out, which was 2014, but despite the 3.5gb fuckery, it's still really good at 1080p, better than the PS4... but I want to play at higher res so I bought a new GPU.
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01011001
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Alexios
Cores, shaders and BIOS oh my!
More like that's why you actually learn how to use your PC and not have it just for games, basic computing is a must have skill nowadays and that includes keeping your pc tidy and well maintained, software and hardware wise, even if it's just a work station. basically, git gud.
All the people playing Doom Eternal right now didn't just get lucky, lol. And yes you can point to some forum with laods of troubleshooting going on, that's no different to console forums that get inexplicable connectivity or whatever errors, patches that brick their system etc.
Edit: and it has absolutely nothing to do with AMD, the whole they can't do drivers deal is an ignorant fanboy warrior meme and doesn't reflect reality, both companies have had the odd driver version mess shit up, my 2 GPUs before my current 1080 were AMD and they were great, I've had more trouble with Nvidia drivers personally but that doesn't mean it can be extrapolated for the industry at large beyond how shit some times just goes wrong regardless of the company involved, it's technology and electronics/software, duh. AMD not having top-end GPUs lately doesn't change this.
All the people playing Doom Eternal right now didn't just get lucky, lol. And yes you can point to some forum with laods of troubleshooting going on, that's no different to console forums that get inexplicable connectivity or whatever errors, patches that brick their system etc.
Edit: and it has absolutely nothing to do with AMD, the whole they can't do drivers deal is an ignorant fanboy warrior meme and doesn't reflect reality, both companies have had the odd driver version mess shit up, my 2 GPUs before my current 1080 were AMD and they were great, I've had more trouble with Nvidia drivers personally but that doesn't mean it can be extrapolated for the industry at large beyond how shit some times just goes wrong regardless of the company involved, it's technology and electronics/software, duh. AMD not having top-end GPUs lately doesn't change this.
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Except that they don't.
The only gaming platform I've ever had fail on me personally was my Xbox 360 ( ring of death ).
I've never had PC hardware die on me or had games cause serious problems.
That doesn't mean that others haven't, but it's the same with consoles. Just because you haven't had issues with your console doesn't mean that others haven't.
The difference is too that with a PC you can normally solve it yourself and it's usually pretty easy.
With a console you need to send it in and have them look at it for you and there's no guarantee it'll get solved.
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xpresstuning
Member
Due to severe budget constraints, i've been using the same build i've purchased back in 2015. I'm playing Doom Eternal on it at 1080p (Resolution Scaling: Dynamic, min. 70% - 100%) with a mix of high - low settings at a solid 60 FPS. I can live with that. It depends on the user if upgrading is a necessity or not. Worrying too much that your configuration isn't up to date is silly, and doesn't do you any good. Relax, it's a choice, not something that you're forced to do.
As for the lessening of performance/imagine quality of video games on home consoles, it depends on the game; But it's mostly true for graphically intensive titles. It's not like the hardware in closed systems just works, it's that devs lower the quality of the visuals for the game to function at an acceptable (framerate) standard. Instead of you tinkering with the settings, the devs do it for you -> You have no control over the experience.
For example, The Witcher 3 is a mess of low - medium settings at a locked 30 FPS (with dips below 30) on Playstation 4. That's it, that's how you're playing it. On my PC build The Witcher 3 is set on all high (exceptions: HairWorks disabled, Foliage Distance set to medium) with a framerate ranging from 42 - 60 FPS; Ofcourse i didn't stop there - i also added The Witcher 3 HD Reworked Project and made the combat, skill system, alchemy system far more enjoyable and much more balanced with The Witcher 3: Enhanced Edition. Choices -> You have complete control over the experience.
Mr.Allan
Neo Member
AMD GPU
There's a reason why this graph looks like this
AMD is utter shit since like 8 years. I understand console people think amd is a big player in pc gpu market but they're not. It same goes for consoles, just like ps4 and x1 were trash compared to anything worth money on pc, ps5 and sex will be too.
There's a reason why this graph looks like this
AMD is utter shit since like 8 years. I understand console people think amd is a big player in pc gpu market but they're not. It same goes for consoles, just like ps4 and x1 were trash compared to anything worth money on pc, ps5 and sex will be too.