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[Kagey K]

I'm guessing the PS5 conference was a lot of big words and fancy pictures, hey?
"The XSX has higher average sustained resolution, significantly better quality ray traced effects, better texture filtering, and higher quality post-processing effects, leading to a noticeably better visual experience overall. Combined with sustained frame rates on par with the PS5, it's the version of choice. The PS5 lags behind, but has up-front load times that are half as long, and less texture pop-in, and less noticeable LOD transitions, hiding a lot of the details transitions and lending to a more consistent visual presentation, though with that noticeable drop in image quality compared to the Series X."

I think most of that sentence will be incorrect when real world games come out, but it sounds good on paper right now.

 

[ZehDon]

I think most of that sentence will be incorrect when real world games come out, but it sounds good on paper right now.

Not likely, but hey - feel free to bookmark and come back and tell me how wrong I was.

 

[geordiemp]

That dev who has not been a dev for 15 years, has a grudge against Sony and friends with Timdog on twitter sure keeps coming up again and again.

I will wait for a better source if you dont mind.

 

[DGrayson]

PS fanboy

We've got enough console wars on the forum from both sides so lets try to refrain from using the F word

 

[hyperbertha]

Cerny said the SSD can be used as 'virtual memory' in some cases, which is true. But that's really not where its main benefit lies. This seems to be more a case of someone twisting and obscuring the full truth to make one console look better. This bogus thread......

 

[Virex]

Im not an xbox fanboy so I dont make alt-accounts. I already told you that, Mr. Vacuum Brain.
So next time when you get told once again dont give me this trash again.

Now fuck off, Im done playing with you.

Show us your muscles

 

[Virex]

We've got enough console wars on the forum from both sides so lets try to refrain from using the F word

Both sides are just jealous of the power of Stadia. And they take it out on each other.

P.S. What "F" word are you referring to? Final Fantasy?

 

[thelastword]

Nope. Not going to happen. Maybe loadtimes. But textures and framerate? Not a chance. Slower GPU and slower CPU.

Framerate is most times better on PRO now, but there's not a chance on closer hardware next gen? When some games will easily favor PS5 and it's architecture.....

I'm not saying Series X won't win faceoffs, but PS5 will win many too...

 

[TBiddy]

Framerate is most times better on PRO now, but there's not a chance on closer hardware next gen? When some games will easily favor PS5 and it's architecture.....

I'm not saying Series X won't win faceoffs, but PS5 will win many too...

Claiming a "win" when the resolution is a lot lower.. yeaah. No.

 

[thelastword]

Claiming a "win" when the resolution is a lot lower.. yeaah. No.

I have no problem if you'd rather play RE3 Remake at mostly 4k 30fps instead of 1620p 60fps...….So it's really up to you whether you play resolutions or framerates.....I know what I prefer in this situation as does Phil Spencer….I'm pretty sure he is playing the PRO version right now, since he said he actually prefers framerate...

 

[The Pleasure]

Twenty bucks on the virgin Xbox power differential vs the chad Sony games.

 

[sinnergy]

I have no problem if you'd rather play RE3 Remake at mostly 4k 30fps instead of 1620p 60fps...….So it's really up to you whether you play resolutions or framerates.....I know what I prefer in this situation as does Phil Spencer….I'm pretty sure he is playing the PRO version right now, since he said he actually prefers framerate...

It’s already made for Series X , will run 120 frames without update

 

[TBiddy]

I have no problem if you'd rather play RE3 Remake at mostly 4k 30fps instead of 1620p 60fps...….So it's really up to you whether you play resolutions or framerates.....I know what I prefer in this situation as does Phil Spencer….I'm pretty sure he is playing the PRO version right now, since he said he actually prefers framerate...

Thanks for proving my point. If they both ran at the same resolution (and had the same optimising applied) XB1X would run circles around the PEES4 Pro (see; I can make lame monickers just like you). We both know that.

 

[thelastword]

It’s already made for Series X , will run 120 frames without update

Yes, I guess they won't play it now on the current consoles......I don't know, it just seem like an endless circle with MS...Just recently XBONEX was the most powerful console, true 4k, no compromises.....Now they are asking you to forego games and wait on Series X to play older games, when it is new games that should be the focus of that piece of hardware.....You can't hype 12.1TF just to show RE-Remake at 4K 120fps.....I'm sure PS5 will play this at 4K 120fps too with it's own perks over Series X.....Most probably better loadtimes and textures....

 

[Hobbygaming]

Kinda like the SSD in the PS5 makes it more powerful than the Series X? Sony be dem wizards?

I expect PS5 to have some advantages due to their internals and the customization with the IO, Kraken and RDO, not some pie in the sky dream like the cloud making Xbox One 10 times more powerful

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

I’m sure the impressive 120FPS/4K indie and AA games made by 16 studios for GamePass will be more than enough to claw their way back into relevance of the video game industry. That is if the year release of Halo, Forza, and Gears doesn’t slow them down. Really though, MS is going to do great this generation. I’ll be glad that maybe they might finally share sales data with us for the first time in 5-6 years and not trying to obfuscate anything like with MAUs! Can’t forget that whisper quiet box too! So quiet, you wouldn’t even know it was there, which ironically would be moreso to people not buying it than it’s cooling. Seriously though, it’s a great system.

As if Sony didn’t hide sales numbers when their PSP and Vita were getting crushed and PS3 wasn’t doing so hot? I remember them lumping sales together for various hardware to hide specific numbers. All this shilling and fighting for billion dollar corporations, idk why some of you do it

SonyGAF should be cheering for a competitive Microsoft. All these companies succeeding and pushing one another is how we get great stuff. All three have shown that if they get a taste of success at the expense of the others, they fuck it up.

PS3 in its prime was darn near peak Sony. So many new IP’s and great games. PS4 Sony in comparison played it super safe and were lazy. Way less risks, way less software, much larger reliance on third party deals and de facto exclusives from Japanese studios. I mean we’re in the last year of this gen and ND is about to release their second title. GG has released two titles. We’ve gotten one half assed bare bones GT title. Sucker Punch is about to release their second title. Fucking Knack has gotten as many games as Naughty Dog and Sucker Punch. Where are all the great new IPs?

MS got a taste of real success with 360 and it resulted in the Xbone clusterfuck. They got a taste of success with Kinect on 360 and it resulted in a horrid span of software support to end the 360’s life. Nintendo got that Wii win and it resulted in WiiU.

We should want these companies to drive one another.

 

[thelastword]

Claiming a "win" when the resolution is a lot lower.. yeaah. No.

So you are saying the higher resolution is the winner here in the RE3 faceoff? Of course the significantly better framerate wins.....In any case, the resolution difference is moot, since the XBOX version is much blurrier due to it's AA method...

 

[Coolwhhip]

I wonder what the average age of a console warrior is.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

So you are saying the higher resolution is the winner here in the RE3 faceoff? Of course the significantly better framerate wins.....In any case, the resolution difference is moot, since the XBOX version is much blurrier due to it's AA method...

No he's very clearly saying it's not like they're scaled properly or even keeled for the performance to be measured objectively. The One X version is operating (presently) at an absurd resolution for god only knows what reason.

It's broken as presently configured, the resolution is 77% higher than the previous game which looks identical and on the same engine, it's setup wrong and it shouldn't be. This isn't even an optimization issue, the resolution shouldn't be that high.

 

[TBiddy]

So you are saying the higher resolution is the winner here in the RE3 faceoff? Of course the significantly better framerate wins.....In any case, the resolution difference is moot, since the XBOX version is much blurrier due to it's AA method...

So you'd say it's a win if it's running at 120 fps at 720p. Gotcha. Makes sense.

 

[ZywyPL]

I wonder what the average age of a console warrior is.

Equal to their loved consoles's TFlops ;D

 

[Hendrick's]

Claiming a "win" when the resolution is a lot lower.. yeaah. No.

More like claiming a win with lower resolution and an average framerate 1-2 frames higher.

 

[martino]

So you'd say it's a win if it's running at 120 fps at 720p. Gotcha. Makes sense.

i could see people genuinely choosing 720p at 120p over better resolution if they stick to that and don't change narrative with only objective to make a logo shine.

 

[Three]

No he's very clearly saying it's not like they're scaled properly or even keeled for the performance to be measured objectively. The One X version is operating (presently) at an absurd resolution for god only knows what reason.

It's broken as presently configured, the resolution is 77% higher than the previous game which looks identical and on the same engine, it's setup wrong and it shouldn't be. This isn't even an optimization issue, the resolution shouldn't be that high.

Guess why! Because very few people own an xbox One X and they just bumped the res of the xbox One S version.

More like claiming a win with lower resolution and an average framerate 1-2 frames higher.

in the case of RE3 it's more than 10 frames higher average but hopefully some kind of patch comes for xbox one x.

 

[thelastword]

Thanks for proving my point. If they both ran at the same resolution (and had the same optimising applied) XB1X would run circles around the PEES4 Pro (see; I can make lame monickers just like you). We both know that.

PS4 always run at higher resolutions and framerate over XBONES 99% of the time with a 40% higher power ceiling....many times with better effects too.....Your excuses here does not apply here.....The expectation was for XBONEX to have better resolutions with better framerates and effects......You remember all the true 4k no compromises talk, PRO should be compared to XBOX ONE S......from Phil Spencer…..It's the same spiel now 12.1TF where you guys are trying to shut down and minimize any talk of custom engineering on PS5 which mitigates the smaller TF divide we will have next gen from this gen...

No he's very clearly saying it's not like they're scaled properly or even keeled for the performance to be measured objectively. The One X version is operating (presently) at an absurd resolution for god only knows what reason.

It's broken as presently configured, the resolution is 77% higher than the previous game which looks identical and on the same engine, it's setup wrong and it shouldn't be. This isn't even an optimization issue, the resolution shouldn't be that high.

Well the rez shouldn't be that high, but it is because it's usually a boast from XFans and MS that they are at 4K or high rez, even though the console has been shown not to be able to handle it properly in many games.....MS and it's marketing have to be careful not to boast the staggering difference of Series X vs PS5, when the differences will be much smaller and even advantageous to PS5 because of it's faster parts in many scenarios.....Let's be clear, a dev said there's a staggering difference, I even saw someone say the actual diffence will be 40-50fps ahead on Series X......It's that type of hyperbole that bites you in the ass.....If you listened to Phil and his fans, the PRO should be performing like the XBONES is and the XBONEX performing at 4k native with PRO's framerate...

So you'd say it's a win if it's running at 120 fps at 720p. Gotcha. Makes sense.

You are putting your own words in there, resolution and framerate.....I've used the resolution and general framerate of a recent game.....You decide if CB 4K and a much lower framerate is what you prefer....I'm not sure that's how XBOX was marketed.

 

[Mithos]

If a Digital Foundry video is needed to be able to tell that Game X is using 1800p with reconstruction vs 2160p native, between the two consoles...
Then maybe, just maybe both should use 1800p with reconstruction and have the better framerate.

 

[TBiddy]

PS4 always run at higher resolutions and framerate over XBONES 99% of the time with a 40% higher power ceiling....many times with better effects too.....Your excuses here does not apply here.....The expectation was for XBONEX to have better resolutions with better framerates and effects

If you increase the resolution with 80% on a console that's only 40% more powerful, you're gonna have problems. If the resolution in any given game on the PS4 was 80% higher than on the XB1, I'd guarantee you the XB1 would run the games better.

In other words - you argument makes absolutely no sense. As usual.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

Well the rez shouldn't be that high, but it is because it's usually a boast from XFans and MS that they are at 4K or high rez, even though the console has been shown not to be able to handle it properly in many games.....MS and it's marketing have to be careful not to boast the staggering difference of Series X vs PS5, when the differences will be much smaller and even advantageous to PS5 because of it's faster parts in many scenarios.....Let's be clear, a dev said there's a staggering difference, I even saw someone say the actual diffence will be 40-50fps ahead on Series X......It's that type of hyperbole that bites you in the ass.....If you listened to Phil and his fans, the PRO should be performing like the XBONES is and the XBONEX performing at 4k native with PRO's framerate...

It's not a boast at 60 FPS, that's more crazy talk.

Also what do you think would happen to the Pro if it tried to push the resolution the X is here? It would be a slide show, the system would buckle. You seem to be under the preconceived notion that any of these systems are equals, they're not. The Pro is not equal to the One X, the PS5 is not equal to the Series X.

This is software handling, it has nothing to do with hardware. Both Xbox's computationally crush each respective PlayStation.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

It's not a boast at 60 FPS, that's more crazy talk.

Also what do you think would happen to the Pro if it tried to push the resolution the X is here? It would be a slide show, the system would buckle. You seem to be under the preconceived notion that any of these systems are equals, they're not. The Pro is not equal to the One X, the PS5 is not equal to the Series X.

This is software handling, it has nothing to do with hardware. Both Xbox's computationally crush each respective PlayStation.

"Crush"

Please. The difference between the pro and X is bigger than the difference between the PS5 and series X not even factoring in the architecture and SSD. Hell the TOTAL TF difference is smaller and it's with much higher numbers overall. Plus the visuals will get harder and harder to notice.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

I’m sure Jason Schreier’s “PS5 is more powerful than we know sources” are totally legit, neutral, and genuine as well.

Jason Schreier himself doesn't know what the fuck legit, neutral and genuine even means.

 

[ClearMind]

Show us your muscles

post titties

 

[48086]

PS4 always run at higher resolutions and framerate over XBONES 99% of the time with a 40% higher power ceiling....many times with better effects too.....Your excuses here does not apply here.....The expectation was for XBONEX to have better resolutions with better framerates and effects......You remember all the true 4k no compromises talk, PRO should be compared to XBOX ONE S......from Phil Spencer…..It's the same spiel now 12.1TF where you guys are trying to shut down and minimize any talk of custom engineering on PS5 which mitigates the smaller TF divide we will have next gen from this gen...

Well the rez shouldn't be that high, but it is because it's usually a boast from XFans and MS that they are at 4K or high rez, even though the console has been shown not to be able to handle it properly in many games.....MS and it's marketing have to be careful not to boast the staggering difference of Series X vs PS5, when the differences will be much smaller and even advantageous to PS5 because of it's faster parts in many scenarios.....Let's be clear, a dev said there's a staggering difference, I even saw someone say the actual diffence will be 40-50fps ahead on Series X......It's that type of hyperbole that bites you in the ass.....If you listened to Phil and his fans, the PRO should be performing like the XBONES is and the XBONEX performing at 4k native with PRO's framerate...


You are putting your own words in there, resolution and framerate.....I've used the resolution and general framerate of a recent game.....You decide if CB 4K and a much lower framerate is what you prefer....I'm not sure that's how XBOX was marketed.

Bro, why are you trying so hard here? Didn't you get the memo? It's all about games now. Power doesn't matter.

 

[checkcola]

Jason Schreier himself doesn't know what the fuck legit, neutral and genuine even means.

I think he'd rather be writing more articles on crunch than getting sucked into this stuff anyway. LOL

 

[Dr.D00p]

Cerny said the SSD can be used as 'virtual memory' in some cases, which is true.

Barely.

PS5 SSD: 8-9GB per second at maximum theoretical peak performance (how often will it actually hit this?) I'm willing to bet it will be closer to the stock 5GB bandwidth most of the time, than it will be to the maximum 9GB.

Even the slowest PC DDR4 RAM is 30-40GB per second, and those speeds are always available, and my tuned 3400Mhz PC RAM is close to 50GB per second.


Using SSD storage as an effective RAM substitute, is never going to happen.

 

[bad guy]

12 TERRORflops

 

[itsjustJEFF]

Well, that settles it. I'm selling my entire PS library, including my PSN ID. Let me know if you're interested, these quotes are staggering and I need to jump ship now cause PS5 games are going to suck and look a generation behind the SeX. I'll be using the funds from my sell off to buy into the my new home now, Xbox. I'm looking to make new friends as well, i need to fill that friends list...

this is how I imagine some people are being right now LOL honestly, if power was that much of selling point for you, like everyone says "Go build a PC" yes, it is expensive but you get all the power you could ever want. Also, you can sell your Switch, that weak ass system with great games, to help pay for PC parts.

Relax boys, it'll all be okay in the end. PS & SeX will both get great games. 3rd party games will look identical, unless you're pixel peeping! 1st party games will, in the end, look fairly similar save for art style and art direction.

 

[IntentionalPun]

Car analogy, just to go there, having a big engine is wonderful a v8 sure has some power, as long as you make sure you can feed it, at the same time a well optimised turbo'd 4 cylinder engine is insanely fast look at the Mercedes AMG 45 as an example,

Except that actually makes a car faster; feeding data to a GPU does not make it faster or improve it's "performance".

It increases the variety of assets that can be used within a visible area, and streamed while the players viewpoint is changing (and can handle a player "moving more quickly"). That is not "GPU performance" like many people are claiming. It is potentially making your games look better/cooler more detailed though, so maybe it doesn't matter HOW it's discussed, but car analogies don't work very well.

 

[mckmas8808]

This thread is gonna get wild, fast.

Key takeaway for me remains this quote



There’s no such thing as SSD Secret Sauce. The SSD cannot make the CPU faster or the GPU more powerful

Do you think 3rd party devs lowering the resolution of PS5 games by 15% will allow games to look and run as well as games on the XSX?

 

[Hendrick's]

[/QUOTE]
I agree. But if one console

Do you think 3rd party devs lowering the resolution of PS5 games by 15% will allow games to look and run as well as games on the XSX?

With the variable clocks, it may be a bit more complex than that this time around.

 

[azertydu91]

Except that actually makes a car faster; feeding data to a GPU does not make it faster or improve it's "performance".

It increases the variety of assets that can be used within a visible area, and streamed while the players viewpoint is changing (and can handle a player "moving more quickly"). That is not "GPU performance" like many people are claiming. It is potentially making your games look better/cooler more detailed though, so maybe it doesn't matter HOW it's discussed, but car analogies don't work very well.

Holy Shit ... I'm sorry but I just had an epiphany.Reading the post you replied to and yours ... We all had the exact same debate and analogies before the Ps4 and the Xbone started.And even worse a lot of us talked in great length with lots of tech words to basically in the end confirm that almost all of us don't know shit about console engineering.

I already wanted just to see the games and enjoy my hobby but this tech talk is so easy to get lost into.Thank you for reminding me that none of this matters like I absolutely don't care about the engineering of a ball, air pressure and shit like that playing basket ball.

Thank you I will let the warriors fight and circle jerk, opposing eachothers about something all sides likes ... games.

 

[mckmas8808]

With the variable clocks, it may be a bit more complex than that this time around.

Nah it won't be at all. Cerny clearly explained why the variable clocks won't be bouncing all around during play.

 

[Mendou]

Everyone shits on timdog but in the end he was right and Osiris was way off. By what 3 tf?

But narratives of course lol

 

[Hendrick's]

Nah it won't be at all. Cerny clearly explained why the variable clocks won't be bouncing all around during play.

That may be true, but it is still something that 3rd parties need to account for and try to work around. I know Cerny is the second coming and all, but imo the variable clocks and lack of DirectX features is going to make 3rd party development more challenging.

 

[Rick Dangerous]

Ps5 will get the best exclusives from track record from both companies
We already hit diminishing returns.
what's the point ?
Game is already over so why fight ?

 

[IntentionalPun]

Holy Shit ... I'm sorry but I just had an epiphany.Reading the post you replied to and yours ... We all had the exact same debate and analogies before the Ps4 and the Xbone started.And even worse a lot of us talked in great length with lots of tech words to basically in the end confirm that almost all of us don't know shit about console engineering.

I already wanted just to see the games and enjoy my hobby but this tech talk is so easy to get lost into.Thank you for reminding me that none of this matters like I absolutely don't care about the engineering of a ball, air pressure and shit like that playing basket ball.

Thank you I will let the warriors fight and circle jerk, opposing eachothers about something all sides likes ... games.

Not everyone is a console warrior circle jerking.

That's neat you don't care though? I'm simply interested in the tech; and if I am going to discuss it would prefer people discuss it accurately.

I'll be buying both systems and enjoying the games like you said... but still find it fun/interesting to predict / discuss the differences. People using it as some "war" are annoying, but even some of those people have knowledge so I don't dismiss them.

But yeah, if you don't find this interesting.. the fact it took you so long to come to this "epiphany" deserves you no cookies., sorry lol

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

If you increase the resolution with 80% on a console that's only 40% more powerful, you're gonna have problems. If the resolution in any given game on the PS4 was 80% higher than on the XB1, I'd guarantee you the XB1 would run the games better.

In other words - you argument makes absolutely no sense. As usual.

The problem is microsoft might have dictated the game be 4k native, and they might do the same again with most games next gen. Games that are pushing the envelope at sub 4k with reconstruction might also have issues running at native 4k next gen.

PS5 SSD: 8-9GB per second at maximum theoretical peak performance (how often will it actually hit this?) I'm willing to bet it will be closer to the stock 5GB bandwidth most of the time, than it will be to the maximum 9GB.

8-9GB is not peak it is average, peak is 22GB compressed

 

[DynamiteCop!]

"Crush"

Please. The difference between the pro and X is bigger than the difference between the PS5 and series X not even factoring in the architecture and SSD. Hell the TOTAL TF difference is smaller and it's with much higher numbers overall. Plus the visuals will get harder and harder to notice.

Percentage wise the difference is smaller, yes that is accurate. However compute wise the difference is larger. One can't have context without the other.

 

[TBiddy]

The problem is microsoft might have dictated the game be 4k native, and they might do the same again with most games next gen. Games that are pushing the envelope at sub 4k with reconstruction might also have issues running at native 4k next gen.

I highly doubt Microsoft would mandate anything towards a 3rd party developer. That's a surefire way of turning relations bad.. and Microsoft more than ever needs good relationships with 3rd party developers.

 

[DynamiteCop!]

I highly doubt Microsoft would mandate anything towards a 3rd party developer. That's a surefire way of turning relations bad.. and Microsoft more than ever needs good relationships with 3rd party developers.

They've already stated they don't mandate anything about a thousand times, it's the same old rinse and repeat induction of possible outrate from fake people.

 

[Roronoa Zoro]

Percentage wise the difference is smaller, yes that is accurate. However compute wise the difference is larger. One can't have context without the other.

But surely the SSD and unified RAM and increased clocks count for SOMETHING to actually make the gap smaller again? Either that or there really is a big difference which will force them to put it $100 cheaper if they weren't already which of course worked fine for the less powerful early Sony systems and Pro