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[Mojo1990]

In order to understand the additions to the story we may have to understand the concept of death as articulated in the Universe.

Nojima might very well be exploring themes of reviving people from the life stream. I suspect this is connected to the idea of the "promised land". Sakaguchi himself noted that the game's central theme was "life" (sparked by his mother's passing).

 

[chitzy]

In order to understand the additions to the story we may have to understand the concept of death as articulated in the Universe.

Nojima might very well be exploring themes of reviving people from the life stream. I suspect this is connected to the idea of the "promised land". Sakaguchi himself noted that the game's central theme was "life" (sparked by his mother's passing).

Nah, they're still retarded no matter how many retcons and no matter how much convoluted bullshit they try to pile on top of it.

As soon as you inject alternate timelines/realities into something, it's no longer worth trying to take it seriously.

 

[Paracelsus]

In order to understand the additions to the story we may have to understand the concept of death as articulated in the Universe.

Nojima might very well be exploring themes of reviving people from the life stream. I suspect this is connected to the idea of the "promised land". Sakaguchi himself noted that the game's central theme was "life" (sparked by his mother's passing).

You don't want to go there, because if you bring back the bigger characters, why not dig deeper and bring back a certain lady that still passes away in FFVII-2, why not bring back Cloud's mother.
As a matter of fact, why not bring back Zangan so Tifa is happy too, why not bring back Ifalna since she's privileged class in the lifestream, and her husband because why the hell not?

Or is it a Dragon Ball thing, like "only people dead within the last 365 days can be revived"?

 

[chitzy]

You don't want to go there, because if you bring back the bigger characters, why not dig deeper and bring back a certain lady that still passes away in FFVII-2, why not bring back Cloud's mother.
As a matter of fact, why not bring back Zangan so Tifa is happy too, why not bring back Ifalna since she's privileged class in the lifestream, and her husband because why the hell not?

Or is it a Dragon Ball thing, like "only people dead within the last 365 days can be revived"?

Not to mention that death becomes meaningless once you introduce resurrection

 

[Airbus Jr]

Since the story in 7R have changed

The fate of of our beloved characters are also reversed

Aerith manage to stab Sepiroth

Sepiroth dies...resurected by Jenovah...

And then from the grave shall arise...

Sepirotrump/Trumphiroth...

 

[Shin]

Rufus and Kyrie Canaan from Kazushige Nojima’s Final Fantasy VII Gaiden novel.

 

[its_Ditz]

I risked my life to bring this info from ResetEra:

Spoiler: Spoiler

the events of VII and AC have already happened in another timeline
[*] the ghost things are Whispers of Fate that try to keep the characters in line with the original game
[*]Biggs and Wedge live. Jessie still dies.
[*]After the highway chase Cloud and co. fight the Whispers of Fate and beat them, making it so they're no longer bound by the original FFVII's storyline.
[*]During the battle the party is shown the clip of an old Nanaki with his cubs running towards a destroyed Midgar, Red XIII guesses it's a vision of the future that awaits them if they fail
[*]Sephiroth shows up after beating them. Fight is basically AC-tier, Sephiroth gets a black wing mid-fight.
[*]While this happens we flashback to Zack surviving his last stand in an alternate timeline
[*] After beating Sephiroth he teleports Cloud to the "edge of creation" and asks for his help in "defying destiny... together".
[*] He refuses and fight similar to their final omnislash duel ensues
[*]the party escapes Midgar.
[*]We continue Zack's scene with him walking to Midgar with a comatose Cloud holding on to him.
[*]Remake Aeris and Alt! Zack sense each other
[*]fade to black

It's kind of a sequel to Advent Children :/

 

[Fuz]

I risked my life to bring this info from ResetEra:

Spoiler: Spoiler

the events of VII and AC have already happened in another timeline
[*] the ghost things are Whispers of Fate that try to keep the characters in line with the original game
[*]Biggs and Wedge live. Jessie still dies.
[*]After the highway chase Cloud and co. fight the Whispers of Fate and beat them, making it so they're no longer bound by the original FFVII's storyline.
[*]During the battle the party is shown the clip of an old Nanaki with his cubs running towards a destroyed Midgar, Red XIII guesses it's a vision of the future that awaits them if they fail
[*]Sephiroth shows up after beating them. Fight is basically AC-tier, Sephiroth gets a black wing mid-fight.
[*]While this happens we flashback to Zack surviving his last stand in an alternate timeline
[*] After beating Sephiroth he teleports Cloud to the "edge of creation" and asks for his help in "defying destiny... together".
[*] He refuses and fight similar to their final omnislash duel ensues
[*]the party escapes Midgar.
[*]We continue Zack's scene with him walking to Midgar with a comatose Cloud holding on to him.
[*]Remake Aeris and Alt! Zack sense each other
[*]fade to black

It's kind of a sequel to Advent Children :/

Fucking bastards ruining our only chance for a VII remake.

Do we know how Japan received this shit?

 

[Dark Oni]

I risked my life to bring this info from ResetEra:

Spoiler: Spoiler

the events of VII and AC have already happened in another timeline
[*] the ghost things are Whispers of Fate that try to keep the characters in line with the original game
[*]Biggs and Wedge live. Jessie still dies.
[*]After the highway chase Cloud and co. fight the Whispers of Fate and beat them, making it so they're no longer bound by the original FFVII's storyline.
[*]During the battle the party is shown the clip of an old Nanaki with his cubs running towards a destroyed Midgar, Red XIII guesses it's a vision of the future that awaits them if they fail
[*]Sephiroth shows up after beating them. Fight is basically AC-tier, Sephiroth gets a black wing mid-fight.
[*]While this happens we flashback to Zack surviving his last stand in an alternate timeline
[*] After beating Sephiroth he teleports Cloud to the "edge of creation" and asks for his help in "defying destiny... together".
[*] He refuses and fight similar to their final omnislash duel ensues
[*]the party escapes Midgar.
[*]We continue Zack's scene with him walking to Midgar with a comatose Cloud holding on to him.
[*]Remake Aeris and Alt! Zack sense each other
[*]fade to black

It's kind of a sequel to Advent Children :/

wow what is this never imagined it would turn out this bad
this shows how incompetent square is they couldn't even take a game that's already made and just upgrade it
it takes them 5 years for 10% of the game and even then its this butchered story fanfic stuff we end up with
get lost square learn from enix
they could've made open world like DQ11 and completed the whole game in 5 years and stuck as much as possible to original story didn't have to go so crazy with the graphics even the ps3 tech demo ones would've done nicely
idiots

 

[NecrosaroIII]

Zangen didn't die

 

[Northeastmonk]

I wasn’t I initially going to come in here, but I heard enough to want to know more. Sounds like they didn’t make the game to replace the PS1 game. They made a game to play that’s based on a game from the PS1 era.

 

[Horatius]

i am literally sitting here laughing out loud like a crazy person while reading these leaks

this is so stupid it's like it's a parody someone would've come up with to make fun of the worst possible version of a ffvii remake nomura could have come up with

this is so funny

 

[Horatius]

i am literally sitting here laughing out loud like a crazy person while reading these leaks

this is so stupid it's like it's a parody someone would've come up with to make fun of the worst possible version of a ffvii remake nomura could have come up with

this is so funny

like lmaaaaao it's ffvii: remake not because

Spoiler

it's a literal remake but because the world is "remade" within the context of the plot

lmfaaaaao the fucking cajones on nomura

it's so fucking dumb i love it

 

[ExpandKong]

like lmaaaaao it's ffvii: remake not because

Spoiler

it's a literal remake but because the world is "remade" within the context of the plot

lmfaaaaao the fucking cajones on nomura

it's so fucking dumb i love it

It’s like Nomura wanted to make a totally new game based loosely on FF7 but he couldn’t just do that for some reason so he had to have the characters jump through these ridiculous narrative hoops to justify where he wants the new game to go.

It’s like the X-Men movies where instead of just rebooting them after X3 shit the bed they did the whole Days Of Future Past thing.

 

[Horatius]

It’s like Nomura wanted to make a totally new game based loosely on FF7 but he couldn’t just do that for some reason so he had to have the characters jump through these ridiculous narrative hoops to justify where he wants the new game to go.

It’s like the X-Men movies where instead of just rebooting them after X3 shit the bed they did the whole Days Of Future Past thing.

yeeeeah

i get the feeling he didnt want to do a ffvii remake at all but they made him and this was his compromise

ill do it if im allowed to fuck it up entirely guys

 

[Mojo1990]

I would argue it's not ridiculous considering they are exploring a very real alternative play of events whilst using the original tragectory as a reference/backdrop. This isn't supposed to be a remaster. It's a "remake".

Whilst I haven't stated that resurrection has actually occurred, I am willing to anticipate such an occurrence given what we already know of the themes explored in the original. Certain Ancient Materia and Jenova cells can revive people, albeit very susceptible to error.

 

[ExpandKong]

I would argue it's not ridiculous considering they are exploring a very real alternative play of events whilst using the original tragectory as a reference/backdrop. This isn't supposed to be a remaster. It's a "remake".

That’s all well and good, but that’s not what the fans have been asking for for decades, is it?

Final Fantasy has been more miss than hit since last generation. This was the safest of safe bets SE could’ve taken to win back some goodwill from the fans.

 

[stickkidsam]

If they can still pull something interesting off with this new direction ala the Rebuild of Evangelion that would be sweet, but from the sounds of it (haven't read any spoilers, just impressions and the final trailer) this is going to be really skirting the line... I worry we will see some stupidly out of character bullshit done to make this new storyline work.

 

[Fuz]

Final Fantasy has been more miss than hit since last generation. This was the safest of safe bets SE could’ve taken to win back some goodwill from the fans.

Yeah, this is probably the last nail on the coffin. They won't recover from this.

 

[Pejo]

hahahahaha

Spoiler: Click at own risk

https://webmshare.com/play/ZxEDJ

 

[ExpandKong]

Yeah, this is probably the last nail on the coffin. They won't recover from this.

At the very least, I hope this is the last straw for Nomura. Kingdom Hearts is a mess from the ground up, because how could a combo of FF and Disney not be? And that’s fine. Let him go nuts there. But as far as FF goes, he needs to be securely locked in the art department.

 

[chitzy]

I just watched a stream of the last 3-4 hours of the game. Even ignoring the horrendous hack job they did to the plot, I don't think I've ever seen a game go to shit so fast. The pacing is absolutely awful; a string of back to back boss fights that are way too long and honestly just boring and tedious. The streamer had never played the original FF7 and had no fucking clue what was going on anymore once Sephiroth showed up at Shinra HQ. On top of that, the dialogue goes to maximum cringe, with Cloud going so far out of character to call Sephiroth "bitch". This could go down as one of the great blunders in gaming history.

 

[Horatius]

I would argue it's not ridiculous considering they are exploring a very real alternative play of events whilst using the original tragectory as a reference/backdrop. This isn't supposed to be a remaster. It's a "remake".

Whilst I haven't stated that resurrection has actually occurred, I am willing to anticipate such an occurrence given what we already know of the themes explored in the original. Certain Ancient Materia and Jenova cells can revive people, albeit very susceptible to error.

you're changing the definition of remake here lol

no one wanted a remaster, a remaster would be upping the resolution and rereleasing it (they already did that)

a remake would be the same game remade

this is literally an alternate universe sequel where the original game still already happened

 

[Strider311]

I’m absolutely going to give it a chance and play through it, but I don’t see how they could fuck up something so simple. I’m all on board with the gameplay changes and structure change, but these plot leaks just sound like some cringe-ass Kingdom Hearts bullshit.

This is what we get for making the mistake of letting Nomura out of his cell where he’s been endlessly sketching zippers and buckles. It isn’t the FF7 we wanted, but it’s the one we deserve.

 

[-Arcadia-]

I’ve never played any version of this game myself. Watched quite a bit. Take that where it comes from.

The remake being a surprise sequel? Essentially acknowledging itself as a remake in-universe, then representing those boundaries as the hands of fate, that need to be pushed against? Actually kind of sounds brilliant to me. What a way to surprise fans. Anything can happen, now.

I see that some wanted something more simple, and I respect that, but this sounds like the coolest thing ever.

 

[ExpandKong]

hahahahaha

Spoiler: Click at own risk

https://webmshare.com/play/ZxEDJ

Is he trying to do some Kojima-style meta commentary with this? Are the whispers of fate supposed to be the fans of FF7? "THIS ISN'T WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN, YOU TWO GO OVER HERE OKAY?"

I guess the question going forward is: is Nomura going to use this setup to only make a few alterations to the original FF7 story (i.e. letting Aerith live) or is it going to be all new crazy shit?

Maybe the reaction to this game will dictate the answer to that.

I’ve never played any version of this game myself. Watched quite a bit. Take that where it comes from.

The remake being a surprise sequel? Essentially acknowledging itself as a remake in-universe, then representing those boundaries as the hands of fate, that need to be pushed against? Actually kind of sounds brilliant to me. What a way to surprise fans. Anything can happen, now.

I see that some wanted something more simple, and I respect that, but this sounds like the coolest thing ever.

The problem here is that I have zero faith in Nomura's ability to pull off such a gamble. The dude is an awful writer.

 

[chitzy]

you're changing the definition of remake here lol

no one wanted a remaster, a remaster would be upping the resolution and rereleasing it (they already did that)

a remake would be the same game remade

this is literally an alternate universe sequel where the original game still already happened

The people trying to play semantic games with the word "Remake" are a joke. The fact is that this has been marketed the last five years as the original FF7 story remade with a modern game engine. At no point in time were fans ever asking for the first part of the FF7 combined with a Nomura-fucked retarded twist at the end.

 

[-Arcadia-]

The people trying to play semantic games with the word "Remake" are a joke. The fact is that this has been marketed the last five years as the original FF7 story remade with a modern game engine. At no point in time were fans ever asking for the first part of the FF7 combined with a Nomura-fucked retarded twist at the end.

For what it’s worth, I think it’ll keep following the FF7 path. It’s just that the journey is going to be full of new possibilities this time. Nothing will necessarily play out exactly as it did, but they’re still on the same road, if that makes sense.

 

[majestix1988]

the game lost its "plot" twist that needed to change due the game itself changes the following:
1. unreliable narrator is cloud on original everything change on these game( now this cloud not telling those buttons and other unrelated things(mostly not 4th wall breaking) technically this is not cloud you know to be but its same cloud.....
2. the world itself telling how to battle/stagger and everything how interact this world this one mostly cloud do this(how to equip materia and that beginner hall that he will talk everything how to battle)

if you are asking what is plot twist i talking about:


if you are guy who judge early please play again...or watch the damned video~

 

[chitzy]

For what it’s worth, I think it’ll keep following the FF7 path. It’s just that the journey is going to be full of new possibilities this time. Nothing will necessarily play out exactly as it did, but they’re still on the same road, if that makes sense.

I doubt it, seems impossible to do at this point with so much of the later plot already out of the bag. It seems unlikely to me that Square is going to give players an open world a la the original FF7. It's going to be another linear, on-rails Final Fantasy affair.

 

[saintjules]

 

[chitzy]

They did a beautiful job recreating Midgar

 

[ExpandKong]

This whole thing is gonna end with seven Clouds fighting thirteen Sephiroths isn’t it

 

[Carna]

This is why I grow skeptical of companies banking on nostalgia, you don't know the end result until it comes out, only for you to feel disappointed by the execution.

 

[Paracelsus]

A remake is a remake the moment you change engine.
Zelda OoT in Unreal Engine is a remake, even if it's the same game that plays exactly the same.
"It's ok because it's a remake" means absolutely nothing, it's not a "get out of jail" card.

 

[Werewolf Jones]

Why do Nomura and Nojima like using DARKNESS as a plot device all the time? Bro you're like 50. Not 12.

 

[-Arcadia-]

This whole thing is gonna end with seven Clouds fighting thirteen Sephiroths isn’t it

‘You know Cloud, we really are the Final Fantasy 7’

 

[stickkidsam]

Why do Nomura and Nojima like using DARKNESS as a plot device all the time? Bro you're like 50. Not 12.

Darkness and ominous demons can be used in mature or interesting ways. It helps make something timeless and archetypal so you can tackle a variety of stories that the audience can still relate to in a broad sense. I mean shit, Lord of the Rings is a fantastic example of using and personifying"darkness".

The problem with Nomura seems to be that he throws the idea of "darkness" around so interchangeably that it loses all meaning and impact. I wanted to think it was just him making some mistakes with Kingdom Hearts but I guess it's just how he tells stories. The guy needs a straight man to balance out his insane ideas because it's not like he doesn't have some cool concepts. They just get lost in everything else he tries to stuff in.

 

[Xmengrey]

hmm, tifa voice actress does not fit the character imo

Just wait till you hear Zack holy shit he sounds so bland

 

[Shin]

Fucking bastards ruining our only chance for a VII remake.

Do we know how Japan received this shit?

Sounds like overrated Nomura ruining another project.

 

[Freeman76]

What they have done to this classic game is laughable. Aside from the nostalgia of the music and Midgar itself, they have failed to understand what made their own game so brilliant. The shit sidequests feel so out of place, lets spend 2 hours catching cats and killing rats...i mean ffs. The fact the orginal game has already taken place is a complete piss take, you know when a remake has failed when all it makes you want to do is play the original. Such a shame

 

[Spokker]

I just realized why they wrote FF7 Remake Episode 1 the way they did. It's so they don't have to remake the rest of FF7. They can go in any direction. They can pick and choose what they want to recreate, which will be way cheaper than the enormous burden of a proper 1:1 remake.

It's kind of a bait and switch if they go that route.

I just watched a stream of the last 3-4 hours of the game. Even ignoring the horrendous hack job they did to the plot, I don't think I've ever seen a game go to shit so fast. The pacing is absolutely awful; a string of back to back boss fights that are way too long and honestly just boring and tedious.

And I have no doubt the rest of the episodes will be like this.

 

[FranXico]

Holy shit. I was not ready for IP destruction levels I read here.

Now I want to play it just for giggles.
And to make Sephiroth my bitch. LOL

Nomura you hack.

 

[Freeman76]

I just realized why they wrote FF7 Remake Episode 1 the way they did. It's so they don't have to remake the rest of FF7. They can go in any direction. They can pick and choose what they want to recreate, which will be way cheaper than the enormous burden of a proper 1:1 remake.

It's kind of a bait and switch if they go that route.

And I have no doubt the rest of the episodes will be like this.

Yes this is blatantly how it will go. There is no way they will do the open world bit. It will be intetesting to see the reviews of this!

 

[Mojo1990]

The people trying to play semantic games with the word "Remake" are a joke. The fact is that this has been marketed the last five years as the original FF7 story remade with a modern game engine. At no point in time were fans ever asking for the first part of the FF7 combined with a Nomura-fucked retarded twist at the end.

Not quite how I conceived of the Remake, unfortunately. That would be rather boring and unspectacular. I'm more excited about what they've done new to freshen the experience.

There is a split opinion with regards to Zack. Some say the scene is a flashback just before his death as per the original (not the retcon CC) and this flashback is triggered when Aerith and Cloud walk parallel to where the incident took place outside of Midgar. Symbolising arrival, departure and renewed fate. Aerith being an Ancient is able to read some significance in to that moment. It also keeps players in suspense.

Others are interpreting that scene as a parallel world wherein Zack survives due to his fate being altered when Cloud and crew fight the guardians of fate. With both presumably entering into Midgar thereby changing their tragectory.

With Sephiroth it's a mixed bag. He might be a clone (as per the original) only more stronger and able to manipulate Cloud into a renewed sense of delusion in his confidence, only for him to suffer later when the truth is revealed. So a case of artistic liberty by Nojima to add extra spectacle to heighten the ending.

Others are saying Sephiroth might be from the AC timeline channeling his life source to alter fate to his advantage. Having Cloud and crew defeat their fate thereby freeing him from his fate? Or something.

The life cycle of the planet is repeating itself with renewed possibilities.

 

[Gavin Stevens]

Why remake one of the best games ever with one of the most awesome stories, only to change it all...?

I just beat RE3, and they did the same thing there. Wasn't anything like the original at all...

What a bullshit trend... Ugh...

 

[MMaRsu]

When they said that would flesh out the backstory of Midgar and its inhabitants I thought they meant like, seeing how Biggs and Wedge got into Avalanche and that Jesse had an abortion at some point or something.

I didn't expect a complete and batshit insane retelling of the original FF7. I thought that the worst that could happen would be massive padding and a few overdone cutscenes.

But my God. It's like the game has complete contempt for the 30-something purists and the whispers are the stand-ins for longtime fans.

Se and Nomura clearly dont give a fuck

 

[GymWolf]

I risked my life to bring this info from ResetEra:

Spoiler: Spoiler

the events of VII and AC have already happened in another timeline
[*] the ghost things are Whispers of Fate that try to keep the characters in line with the original game
[*]Biggs and Wedge live. Jessie still dies.
[*]After the highway chase Cloud and co. fight the Whispers of Fate and beat them, making it so they're no longer bound by the original FFVII's storyline.
[*]During the battle the party is shown the clip of an old Nanaki with his cubs running towards a destroyed Midgar, Red XIII guesses it's a vision of the future that awaits them if they fail
[*]Sephiroth shows up after beating them. Fight is basically AC-tier, Sephiroth gets a black wing mid-fight.
[*]While this happens we flashback to Zack surviving his last stand in an alternate timeline
[*] After beating Sephiroth he teleports Cloud to the "edge of creation" and asks for his help in "defying destiny... together".
[*] He refuses and fight similar to their final omnislash duel ensues
[*]the party escapes Midgar.
[*]We continue Zack's scene with him walking to Midgar with a comatose Cloud holding on to him.
[*]Remake Aeris and Alt! Zack sense each other
[*]fade to black

It's kind of a sequel to Advent Children :/

your joke is not funny dude

and after mgs twin snakes being a shitty remake of my favourite game ever, here is ff7 remake, a shitty remake of my second favourite game ever.

i expect parasite eve remake being a puzzle game with a black transexual soyboy as a protagonist being the next.

holy fucking shit.

 

[stargateheaven]

So i'm at chapter 9 and.. i have some complaints.

For an RPG, you're super limited where you can go. I know the original was linear in midgar, but this is ridiculous. you're OFTEN told "no, not that way!" and forced to turn around.
Don't bother exploring, RARELY do you find a hidden chestor item.Most of the time you find empty areas.
Aerith's voice acting grinds me.. (i guess this one is just personal opinion)
where the hell are all the chests? they're all in plain sight. Never contain anything useful. Always just a potion, never some secret item or weapon.
The graphics on chapter 1 and 2 are great. They slowly get worse and worse as you play through. It felt like i was playing this movie at the beginning, now it feels like a late ps3 game besides the characters.
While not the fault of the English actors, you can tell the animation is based on the Japanese talk, posing as they talk.
lack of side missions.. like seriously.. so far at least.
unimagintive trophies. you get many of them in the first 10 minutes of the game

the good side of things though.
Character models are beyond amazing. You've never seen such high quality models before.
music is fantastic as always in FF
voice acting (besides aerith imo) is great. Especially new cloud and barrett.
some great character development, especially biggs and wedge.

some of these are just my opinion, but yeah..

 

[Neil]

^ I would have to agree with all of those - points, minus the graphics. I'm also just at Wall Market and haven't seen any deterioration in graphics as I progress.
RE: lack of chests, same sort of thing - the bit before you fight Air Buster and you can decide which bits to discard from the boss, my RPG instinct told me to prioritise the M-item ones first. It would mean I would have a harder fight but would surely be rewarded with some good items... nope! They were just potions and ethers! I was so annoyed lol.