I do find it a bit contradictory that Microsoft have the most powerful console, but want to get games released on lesser hardware. As it is their first party lineup is thin and they want developers wasting time on making games for the one x. Games may look much better on the series x by say, 2022, but by then the ps5 to xbox series x/c/whatever will be 10-1. Microsoft need exclusive show stoppers from day one to convince people to buy their new console. Unfortunately they have none. Halo has been average since the original, and forza, whilst great is just not gran turismo.
No, this is wrong. And you are spreading FUD. He is only talking about XBOX STUDIOS GAMES.
All Third Party devs are free to develop XBOX SERIES X only games DAY ONE.
He only talked about XBOX Studios, that THEIR games will on XBOX ONE too for the FIRST YEAR of the Series X. So, can you please stop spreading FUD?
OP is just trying to change the narrative of Xbox, so that xbox is not the most powerful console anymore, but instead the weakest and will even held back everything, which is beyond ridiculous. I think it's even worse than this thread: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/it-s...-higher-teraflops-count-a-risky-move.1536590/
I’d argue MS’s “one game will work on all platforms” kind of mitigates this, as outside of first party MS are not mandating it. Third party can easily aim for only new gen / higher-tier PC without concern. If they want to support old gen, they’re welcome to and would probably have an easier time with it tools-wise as it’s in MS’s best interest for it to be as easy as possible.The issue is that if Lockhart exists, MS are going to want as many devs as possible to support it. I mean, nobody launches a platform/SKU expecting it to receive no third-party support.
That doesn't make sense . No developer ever targets the highest spec and then scale back as its a nightmare to deal with and often requires another team to handle it as it won't be simple port.they always target the middle ground and scale up or down from there. U don't design a game for rtx 2080ti and then scale it back to a 1080p cards. You target the middle cards and u scale up for high end gpus or down for low end from there . Gpu does more than resolutionYour post makes no sense, they will target the high end spec as primary, and scale back graphics features for weaker machines, with today's architecture and tools it will take like a week to complete and optimize. I swear threads like these are designed just to find another nonsensical reason to pan the xbox series x, it's like a deliberate plan of misinformation. Combine this with "more cu's is worse" (not true):and "your ssd is 20% slower and for sure the series x must be hot garbage" (also not true) and "the ram is slower" (its not) according to many of these threads. It feels like a narrative is being written by a group of people with an agenda - discredit xbox series x at all costs.
And that's not even taking into account the weaker machine isn't even coming for sure.
That doesn't make sense . No developer ever targets the highest spec and then scale back as its a nightmare to deal with and often requires another team to handle it as it won't be simple port.they always target the middle ground and scale up or down from there. U don't design a game for rtx 2080ti and then scale it back to a 1080p cards. You target the middle cards and u scale up for high end gpus or down for low end from there . Gpu does more than resolution
Except that's exactly how games are being developed, that's why we have those high quality/CGI trailers to begin with.
I'm waiting for Lockhart (when revealed) is a 6TF machine so the base is weak, Xsx is irrelevant.
It's coming.
Ooooooo i was expecting this thread
OP is slippery dodged PC, Current Gen & Switch
It doesn't matter it's all about them SSD's
OP type SSD on GAF search bar and read them threads, i'm sure you'll be convinced that power ain't shit.
Listen we don't care, why are we debating this ?What about current gen and switch ? Have you not seen how many devs skip switch due to the down port issue and all the ones coming to switch have another team working on the down port specifically for switch ? Not every dev can do that specially in case of xbox. No devs will hire 2 teams to work on xsx and xss sperately like they do for switch case (where they hire a separate team to handle it)
You are seriously trying to compare better HW than Xbox One X with Switch?What about current gen and switch ? Have you not seen how many devs skip switch due to the down port issue and all the ones coming to switch have another team working on the down port specifically for switch ? Not every dev can do that specially in case of xbox. No devs will hire 2 teams to work on xsx and xss sperately like they do for switch case (where they hire a separate team to handle it)
I don't even know what u r talking about . What does ssd have anything to what we are discussing? U sound like a troll dude thats for sure . U said how easy it is to develop for switch and ps4/x1, I replied that is not the case and u say u don't care let me troll more lol k . Enjoy the 17% stronger gpu bud.no one can deny that. Its ur right it seemed u were personally hurt when x1 was 43% underpowered so now u r acting like this.Listen we don't care, why are we debating this ?
Lockhart just have to have a 5.5+GB SSD and problem solved.
PS5 weaker than XBSX = it's all about secret sauce SSD
Lockhart 1080p/1440p machine = holding back 12TF XBOX
LolWhen Cerny revealed PS5 specs some people said PS5 might hold back next-gen because it was weak compared to Series X
It will be hilarious here after Microsoft announces a 4 TF machine next month....
He mentioned ports from switch and ps4/x1 is so easy to do. I replied to him it is not easy at all. I didnt compare it to xss.You are seriously trying to compare better HW than Xbox One X with Switch?
I mean, come on. It Lockhart will have same cpu and same ssd what is the problem in terms of game design?
Lol
Who said that ps5 will hold back next-games?
You have a proof?
wtf is this nonsense comment?If you look at games released on pc then you would be wrong. So i think this would be the same.
Because developers will be pushing technology in new ways and you will see that.Why would this even be the case?
I read your pain broI don't even know what u r talking about . What does ssd have anything to what we are discussing? U sound like a troll dude thats for sure . U said how easy it is to develop for switch and ps4/x1, I replied that is not the case and u say u don't care let me troll more lol k . Enjoy the 17% stronger gpu bud.no one can deny that. Its ur right it seemed u were personally hurt when x1 was 43% underpowered so now u r acting like this.
So you think the XSX will have games running at 1620p? Lol...Because developers will be pushing technology in new ways and you will see that.
wtf is this nonsense comment?
I don’t think just a resolution downgrade would be fine, I think if the Lockhart managed to sell way above Xbox Series X, I think this is where we will see problems come up as developers will just focus on that HW running good rather than targeting the most powerful console Xbox has, this will definitely lower back or hold back some games, especially the ambitious ones, the XSX will just be your typical brute force machine which is garbage if you ask me.Actually as DF tests showed, lowering resolution should do the job just fine.
4K series X game running at FHD on lockheart would have quite a headroom left.
So i guess it would be more like:
4K on X = dynamic 1440p on S
1800p on X = 1080p on S
1620?....arent we talking about ambitious games? ;-)
But jokes aside. Majority of games on ONE X targets 1800 or higher so i dont think the SERIES X is going to run game on lower resolution.
Yeah, some high-end games later in the generation will be like that, why not?So you think the XSX will have games running at 1620p? Lol...
I don’t think just a resolution downgrade would be fine, I think if the Lockhart managed to sell way above Xbox Series X, I think this is where we will see problems come up as developers will just focus on that HW running good rather than targeting the most powerful console Xbox has, this will definitely lower back or hold back some games, especially the ambitious ones, the XSX will just be your typical brute force machine which is garbage if you ask me.
Oh so ssd had nothing to do with this discussion u and I were having and you brought it from other threads because? Have I ever mention ssd will make the 17% gpu difference disappear? No I haven't. So again u brought it up in our conversation because ? Because u wanted to troll? Haha thanks for proving my point bud.I read your pain bro
This thread is about Lockhart holding Series X back right ?
You tell me what the SSD has to do with a underpowered console (whatever the % is) check the PS5 threads.
i like how you twisted what i said and turned me into a troll, i don't recall saying it's EASY to develop for current gen, i said DEVS wont drop +180M units in the next couple of years.
Whatever you do/say to share your frustration to me, it wont affect me.
#STAYSTRONG
Oh so ssd had nothing to do with this discussion u and I were having and you brought it from other threads because? Have I ever mention ssd will make the 17% gpu difference disappear? No I haven't. So again u brought it up in our conversation because ? Because u wanted to troll? Haha thanks for proving my point bud.
Feel my pain ?? I will be playing AAA GOTY contenders one after another. Its so painful. I m glad u won't ever go through thet kinda pain by playing those. Grounded /bleeding edge / battle toads at 8k and 120 fps will be painless and makes me jealous about not getting a console with 17% better gpu. U r so lucky
What the hell are you even saying?! Powerful console means bigger possibility on games raising the tech barI don’t think just a resolution downgrade would be fine, I think if the Lockhart managed to sell way above Xbox Series X, I think this is where we will see problems come up as developers will just focus on that HW running good rather than targeting the most powerful console Xbox has, this will definitely lower back or hold back some games, especially the ambitious ones, the XSX will just be your typical brute force machine which is garbage if you ask me.
Then that sucks, so now the same applies to PS5? Because we are talking about the base consoles (Series X and PS5) and now we have this cheap ass console Lockhart holding back the industry in some way, Goddamn it! Microsoft always have to ruin gaming one way or another..
anyone buying an xsx should expect it to be the equivalent of x1x in terms of what it brings to the table: more resolution, more effects, and (sometimes) more fps. No dev will make xsx exclusives. Zero, nada.
I feel like my IQ dropped just by engaging in this threadHistory Will remember this thread like a perfect exemple of concern trolling.
We Still miss some pseudos really concerned in all good faith
If power doesn't matter then why does Sony and Microsoft introduce a new gen every 6-7 years with more powerful machinesJust put a super fast SSD in it and it will solve all problems apparantly?
I’m saying that games aren’t going to be specifically designed for the Series X nor even the PS5 because of that garbage 4 TF console, stop getting aggressive LOL!!What the hell are you even saying?! Powerful console means bigger possibility on games raising the tech bar
Brute force is now garbage eh? Never seen a more retarded logic in my life
What the hell are you even saying?! Powerful console means bigger possibility on games raising the tech bar
Brute force is now garbage eh? Never seen a more retarded logic in my life
I am not aggressive you're just not making any sense at allI’m saying that games aren’t going to be specifically designed for the Series X nor even the PS5 because of that garbage 4 TF console, stop getting aggressive LOL!!
Yo you gotta be kidding yourself at this point, Rise of the Tomb Raider looked great but nowhere near Batman or The Order 1886 or Uncharted 4 or Horizon Zero Dawn, Sony exclusives have the best advancements from the gameplay and graphics standpoints, just accept it, deal with it.
Rise of the TR is held back and it really shows...
I am not talking about XSX only but that seems your biggest concernin a regular gen shift, sure. MS no longer plays that game. It has pluses and minuses. pluses are more users, bigger audience. Minuses are no big tech jumps. Xsx is like buying the expensive gfx card, more pixels/fps. You don’t get exclusive games.
sorry.
What are you even saying now? I’m saying the Lockhart will (IN SOME WAY) hold back next generation games from being their fullest, whenever a developer is targeting a much weaker console, it will hamper down some of the things that a developer wants to achieve, even now we have most developers not wanting Xbox Lockhart because of that, this is what Jason Schreier was told by many developers.I feel like my IQ dropped just by engaging in this thread
If power doesn't matter then why does Sony and Microsoft introduce a new gen every 6-7 years with more powerful machines
Why does all the tech companies even make new powerful tech at this point right? Lets just stay in one generation
Thats OPs logic...
Then that sucks, so now the same applies to PS5? Because we are talking about the base consoles (Series X and PS5) and now we have this cheap ass console Lockhart holding back the industry in some way, Goddamn it! Microsoft always have to ruin gaming one way or another.
You really need to look at the comment I replied 1st because taking things out of context is stupid.
Accept what exactly? That you're full of shit and don't make any sense? Sure.What are you even saying now? I’m saying the Lockhart will (IN SOME WAY) hold back next generation games from being their fullest, whenever a developer is targeting a much weaker console, it will hamper down some of the things that a developer wants to achieve, even now we have most developers not wanting Xbox Lockhart because of that, this is what Jason Schreier was told by many developers.
Just accept it man, that’s the reality, and take Phil Spencer’s PR speech out of your head.
OK man, whatever, you’ll just see it in the future, I’ll let the games and developer quotes do the talking.Accept what exactly? That you're full of shit and don't make any sense? Sure.